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Watched a load of grafting videos, didn't really grasp the delicate nature of it, until I saw Sapote do it in front of me. Maybe next time I hand out with Sapote ill take a high def video camera.

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Also Another reason I like cleft grafts is that you can make cocktail trees. I'm space limited and can only have 10 mangos in ground, cleft grafting allows me to have much more variety.

You can do multi-graft trees with all popular methods. If anything, cleft and whip are more limiting when it comes to this. For example, if the trunk is an inch across and have no branching for 5 ft from the ground up, you can only make 1 cleft graft at a sane height. With approach, veneer, t-bud, chip bud, you can just graft to the bare trunk, at any height you want.

Very true. In my situation I'm working with potted manila seedlings from Home Depot with multiple branches, so cleft seemed the most applicable. I would imagine on a larger in ground tree you're really not limited in your approach.

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Also Another reason I like cleft grafts is that you can make cocktail trees. I'm space limited and can only have 10 mangos in ground, cleft grafting allows me to have much more variety.

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Sami
Julian Lara has a great video in YouTube on veneer graft.

I've seen it. Its great, but the video quality is like watching it with beer goggles on. LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ocvn-ze5VA

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As a beginner I would start with veneer graft it's the easiest. During the summer you don't need tp prep just time you flushes. You'll get about 4 chances during this time

That's funny you say that, veneer seemed to be the most complicated. I thought cleft grafting was easier. I would love to watch you do some when the time comes, that's the only way I really learn.  :)

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There is magic to grafting it all about timing and the months when you preform the grafts.
Anonas:
March - May
Mangos:
Late June - August
Avocados
Spring to Fall

That doesn't mean you'll have no takes outside of these periods but these are the months you'll have greater success.

Yeah, late June is when I'm planning to start again. This way I'll have til august to get better at it.

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I did 15 grafts all failed. I'm hoping the last 3 I watched sapote do stick. He was very meticulous and delicate, I think I was being ham handed and just going thru the motions. Watching videos of farmers in India and Thailand whizzing thru graft after graft sitting on the ground is very deceptive. You literally need to have a surgeons focus.

That has been my experience with avocado grafting.  I wonder if the SoCal low humidity has something to do with it.

Sapote did something very interesting. 1., he didn't cover the entire scion with the grafting tape, only a couple inches above and below the grafting point 2., he made a plastic sleeve out of a medium thickness  opaque plastic shopping bag and slipped it over the scion.

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That is some master grafting right there. Completely amazed.

You're giving me way too much credit here, Sami. If you looked carefully at the pix, you'll see the failed cut right below the bud. That was my 1st cut and it was way too large and too high. The 2nd cut was still way too large but just about the right height. A master grafter wouldn't make such mistake.
So you know, this was my 1st budding success after at least 10 attempts. And just when I decided to document the steps for troubleshooting, it worked out nicely.
I did 15 grafts all failed. I'm hoping the last 3 I watched sapote do stick. He was very meticulous and delicate, I think I was being ham handed and just going thru the motions. Watching videos of farmers in India and Thailand whizzing thru graft after graft sitting on the ground is very deceptive. You literally need to have a surgeons focus.

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That is some master grafting right there. Completely amazed.

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depending on how my growth goes, there is a possibility. key is not just fresh, but how scions were prepped before harvesting. I usually prep them for over 10 days before I harvest and gives high success rates.

Can you share a little about the prepping process? Do you trim the leaves and then cut them as they're about to bud? Any other tricks?

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next time, graft in Summer. don't take chances. we had unusual warm weather late this year that provided success to lot of folks, but prime time to graft in So Cal still is Jul thru Mid. Sep.

Point taken Behl, that's my plan. will you be offering any scions for purchase or trade? I would love to have a local source of fresh scions. From what sapote was saying that's one of the big pieces to the puzzle.

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Update.

All the grafts I did on my own were a bust. Dead or dying.  :-[

Good news is that fellow member Sapote came over this sunday and showed me how to properly graft mangos. Thanks Sapote, looking forward to trying it again in June.

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I remember reading June is when Behl and JF put in their orders for mango scions, if I'm incorrect I hope one of them will chime in with clarification.

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$24.95 at home depot in Burbank as well. But no point in grafting now. wait until late may/june. All the ones I did last month are either stunted or dead. JF, Behl and others mentioned it. I let excitement get the best of me, although truth be told at least I got to practice.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Harvest from my yard in San Diego
« on: November 02, 2015, 02:12:04 PM »
Looks amazing Simon. Good work!!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 3640 Banana Flower 10-19-15
« on: October 29, 2015, 04:50:51 PM »
I planted 10 banana plants just because I love how they look. Truly a beautiful specimen you have.

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I'm in So Cal and grafting mangos like a lunatic. Days are high 80's and nights in the 60's. Everyone warned me right now is not the season, but maybe they take. I'm not holding my breath, but who knows. Stranger things have happened.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Update On My Carrie Mango Tree
« on: October 19, 2015, 05:50:03 PM »
best of luck Ed!!!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My first no Latex Jackfruit cold strain
« on: October 18, 2015, 09:43:48 AM »
Congrats on the Huracan, I prefer it to the Aventador.

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Thanks millet!!! Any particular fertilizer recommendation?

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Ok. I'm banking on citrus being slow to take. Cause my avocados and mangos are putting on new growth. And I planted th mangos months after the citrus. Also could be the heat we had here. We were pushing 100 for several weeks.

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For me, they put on a big growth spurt in Feb/Mar and again in Sep/Oct (all my trees are showing tremendous new growth right now).

If they are only in for 6 months then you might be right about them taking awhile to take. I think the spring push will be a good indicator of how they will behave. If your spring push is lackluster, then maybe something is wrong (fertilizer, water, soil, etc.)

Ok. I'll watch them from here on out, and look for start formulating a back up plan. Maybe they need more water. Are citrus more thirsty than other fruit trees?

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I wonder if they just take longer to take. They've only been in ground for 6 months. I'm at a loss. Mainly because everything else is thriving.

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I planted 30 fruit tress all at the same time. Guavas, pomegranates, Asian pears, figs, peaches, apricots, avocados plums, loquats and mangos. During this same time I planted Oro blanco grapefruit, Valencia orange, blood orange, Mayer lemon, Mexican lime, Darcy tangerine, and pink lemonade lemons.

The none citrus fruits trees have all doubled, even tripled in size. I feed them all the same miracle grow shake and feed Citrus, avocado and mango fertilizer. At low doses. All get the same water from my drip system. But my citrus are all almost the same size. What am I missing??

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