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Looking for seeds of Mexican race (drymifolia) avocados
« on: November 20, 2020, 08:57:11 PM »
I've begun a small scale avocado breeding project, looking for as much genetic diversity and cold hardiness as I can get, and only interested in seeds or seedlings for now. Here are some examples of varieties I'm looking for seeds of, as well as any other drymifolia trees (leaves smell like anise, fruit have thin skins and tend to be small, though not always):

Lila/Opal
Duke
Wilma
Fantastic
Gainesville
Aravaipa
Joey
Poncho
Del Rio
....and any others allegedly cold-hardy!

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings from Mexican avocado varieties
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2020, 09:32:42 PM »
Hello, I have some mexicola grande seeds I've been saving on my counter if you would like them.  1$ each

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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings from Mexican avocado varieties
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2020, 12:15:23 AM »
Hello, I have some mexicola grande seeds I've been saving on my counter if you would like them.  1$ each

Thanks, definitely! I sent you a PM

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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings from Mexican avocado varieties
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2020, 11:30:34 AM »
Any one know the Ag policies of bringing back seedlings and/or seeds from Mexico?  I've got connections to a grower at Sabinas Hidalgo.  Friend who has a wife on the coast at Jalisco told me "we'll just make a trip over there and sneak them back."

https://www.google.com/search?q=sabinas+hidalgo+nuevo+leon+avocados&sxsrf=ALeKk0309QtKJdpj7GlnYlza7QfeBIqpDQ:1605976094143&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=gunawqtsYJWS0M%252CH1ZQ_3X7yq_x_M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQ81I1-t7ZHPa4ad2U13ZRebFvPCQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwioke-Uh5TtAhUDR6wKHfmZA-cQ9QF6BAgLECY#imgrc=eBVAt78EnWobzM

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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings from Mexican avocado varieties
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2020, 12:18:31 PM »
Are those mexicola? I was wondering the same thing about laws about bringing seeds or even scion wood. I possibly have access to some from the hub of avocados in Michoacán.

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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings from Mexican avocado varieties
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2020, 02:06:35 PM »
Any one know the Ag policies of bringing back seedlings and/or seeds from Mexico?  I've got connections to a grower at Sabinas Hidalgo.  Friend who has a wife on the coast at Jalisco told me "we'll just make a trip over there and sneak them back."
Just went down a bit of a rabbit hole trying to find an answer, but not a whole lot of luck. It looks like you can bring back 12 or fewer plants of most types, unless it's subject to additional restrictions, but you'll need a "phytosanitary certificate": https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-600?language=en_US

For fruit, it looks like anything under 55lbs is exempt from most import rules regarding quality/etc, but needs to be claimed and inspected still: https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/section8e/avocados




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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings from Mexican avocado varieties
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2020, 03:18:44 PM »
Thanks for the info.  No way would I bring across a bareroot avocado tree unless it was a quick hour or so transaction.

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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings from Mexican avocado varieties
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2020, 07:45:48 PM »
Put clean seeds in the mail and label them "religious beads"
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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings from Mexican avocado varieties
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2020, 07:47:58 AM »
Put clean seeds in the mail and label them "religious beads"

And while you're at it place a Virgin Guadalupe sticky on the box.  ;D

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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2020, 07:13:09 PM »
Just re-upping this one in case anyone else might have some to sell/trade. The MG seeds have begun to sprout, so thanks again to @spaugh for those!
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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings/scions of cold-hardy (drymifolia) avocados
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2020, 08:01:10 PM »
Mark,

Besides Sabinas Hidalgo avocadoes..... look for Bustamante and Aramberri avocadoes also en Nuevo Leon

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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings/scions of cold-hardy (drymifolia) avocados
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2020, 08:23:10 PM »
I have bacon seeds now if anyone wants a few.  These are my preferred rootstock, they are cold hardy and extra vigorous. 
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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings/scions of cold-hardy (drymifolia) avocados
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2020, 11:09:33 PM »
I have bacon seeds now if anyone wants a few.  These are my preferred rootstock, they are cold hardy and extra vigorous.

Tempting! My understanding is Bacon is a drymifolia x guatemalensis hybrid, less cold hardy than most pure drymifolia varieties, but better than the majority-guatemalan varieties usually grown commercially. Anyone know if that's right?

Edit: looks like that's the assumption but it was a chance seedling of unknown parentage:

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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings/scions of cold-hardy (drymifolia) avocados
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2020, 11:40:23 PM »
Any avo graft will die if it gets cold enough doesn't matter how cold hardy the seed is, the trick is protecting graft and top growth esp the first several years in the ground, if tree is older and graft is protected then with major dieback the tree can come back, lights tents water electric heaters they all can save a life if used properly.

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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings/scions of cold-hardy (drymifolia) avocados
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2020, 11:23:12 AM »

The Bacon avocado is a hybrid of two Mexican avocado varieties, and it was originally cultivated in 1954 by James Bacon in Buena Park, CA. Nearly all varieties of avocado trees can grow successfully in areas with mild winters. As a more cold resistant cultivar, hardy to twenty-five degrees, the Bacon avocado is also a popular variety in areas with lower winter temperatures
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2020, 11:31:48 AM »
   Orig. in Buena Park,CA, by James E.Bacon.Introd.1951.Chance seedling, Mex.-Guat. hybrid type; planted1928. Fruit:7-12 oz; ovoid; skin green, thin, smooth; flavor good;flesh an unusually pale yellow-green;oil content high; keeping quality good; matures Nov.-Jan.in Orange County & Dec.-March in Ventura County.Tree: upright, slender; consistent, heavy producer; frost tolerance excellent. Flower type B, valuable pollinizer of other cultivars; minor commercial cultivar in southern CA.(B&O Register) Reg.1948. Orig. James E. Bacon at N.E. corner of La Palma & Grand, Buena Park, CA about 1928. Tree, tall & slender, consistant producer of heavy crops.Fruit: season, Dec.-Mar.,Color, green. Wt.,10.5 ozs.Shape, ovoid. Skin, thin & smooth. Flavor, fair. Oil, 17.85% Oct. 1, 1948. Keeping Quality, good. (CAS Yearbook 1956) Quality of flesh slightly better than Zutano. Season: slightly later than Zutano. Tends to be affected with end spot, an external blemish. This cultivar & Zutano are the only 2 reasonably productive of 60 cultivars tried in L.A.& Orange Counties in CA. In 1957, top-working of all others to these 2 cold-hardy cultivars was strongly recommended. Bacon is a good choice for tropical American highlands about 5,200 ft. (160m) (J.Morton 1987)
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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings/scions of cold-hardy (drymifolia) avocados
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2020, 02:51:23 PM »
Ok you've convinced me, Brad, PM sent! Thanks

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Re: Looking for seeds/seedlings/scions of cold-hardy (drymifolia) avocados
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2020, 12:06:06 PM »
Any cold hardy avocado seeds still available? I'm interested in trying my hand at growing them.

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2021, 06:56:35 PM »
Hello,
I'm writing from Europe and I'm very interested in these cold hardy varieties. Here it is impossible to find Mexican avocados. For this reason I wanted to ask for some scions to graft some plants that I have grown from Bacon seeds.
I could pay the shipping costs in advance (via PayPal or similar).
Have a nice weekend,
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Re: Looking for seeds of Mexican race (drymifolia) avocados
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2021, 11:45:06 AM »
Just bumping this because I know some drymifolia varieties start ripening around now. I'm only interested in seeds or small seedlings, no more scions until next year.

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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2021, 06:53:50 PM »
I noticed duke seeds were on your list I have small duke trees but the seeds I've found are very hard to find..

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Re: Looking for seeds of Mexican race (drymifolia) avocados
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2021, 12:40:26 AM »
I noticed duke seeds were on your list I have small duke trees but the seeds I've found are very hard to find..

I've heard there are a few huge trees in Oroville CA but I believe the land they are on was purchased a couple years ago, converted into a restaurant or event venue, and closed to picking. But could probably work out an arrangement with the owner. They ripen early fall, I believe.

If my internet sleuthing is correct, this Street View shows the largest of the Duke trees, but the sign is discouraging.



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Re: Looking for seeds of Mexican race (drymifolia) avocados
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2021, 07:20:34 PM »
Hi all
a good choice is winter Mexican. Sorry I dislike it and top work it.

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Re: Looking for seeds of Mexican race (drymifolia) avocados
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2021, 12:13:59 AM »
I have an incredible variety. Pm me for detail. This drymifolia is thick and fatty like cream cheese. Nutty. Purple skin with pink spekles

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Re: Looking for seeds of Mexican race (drymifolia) avocados
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2021, 10:07:32 AM »
Hi all
a good choice is winter Mexican. Sorry I dislike it and top work it.

I have a Winter Mexican (it even has a little fruitlet now despite being only 3 ft tall), but it's actually a drymifolia x guatamalensis cross and much less cold hardy than pure drymifolia varieties. I'm also planning to top-work it with drymifolia varieties once the single fruit either drops or ripens.

I have an incredible variety. Pm me for detail. This drymifolia is thick and fatty like cream cheese. Nutty. Purple skin with pink spekles

PM sent!