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Any pictures of the fruit? What's the flavor profile? Similar to mangosteen?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing rare artocarpus?
« on: February 28, 2024, 10:32:07 PM »
Wow Brian,

Amazing you and others are growing these trees in greenhouses. I’m amazed that someone has fruited marang in a greenhouse. I’ve been completely unsuccessful in controlling their size.

Aloha, Steph

Cut top off at 5 feet, after new 2-3 leaders grow about 3 feet cut them all again. There you have it. You'll have nice tree with many fruits just one foot from the ground ( when they fruit, weight will pull branches that low )

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Purely tropical vine for  humid climate.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mamey ID and recomendation.
« on: February 03, 2024, 08:49:58 PM »
So, it seems like in Indonesia they have all Florida mamey varieties. I got Lorito tree, and few days later saw this local video with Lorito mamey that has these unappetizing looking fibers. Although reviewer still likes the fruit very much. Does this look like authentic Lorito as in Florida??





Now thinking to get another tree. Cepeda (Sepeda). I was told locally that it's also bright red of excellent quality. Possibly this variety to extend season. Does Cepeda and Lorito fruit at the same time? Does Cepeda also have these fiber hairs? Is it worth getting over Lorito?

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I plan on getting the new Jamaica Mamey tree from Lara Farms as hopefully my first healthy Mamey tree (my last one died in a flood).

Supposedly, you would be lucky to get pollination with only one Mamey variety according to Julian from Lara farms https://youtu.be/Nm2iLN7JvbU?t=291.
        - This source also points to the ineffectiveness of self-fertilizing with only one tree: https://agriculture.gov.capital/what-are-the-pollination-requirements-for-mamey-sapote-trees/

Knowing Jamaica Mamey fruits in the winter, what Mamey would pair well to ensure the tree gets pollinated?

In Sri Lanka I had probably the only flowering mamey tree in entire country. Fruit setting was good and nearly year round flowering. No different what I see in videos, in multi mamey gardens.

ps. Jamaican sounds like a variety to have at any price. The guy just could not stop saying wow!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7MjfMq_s-0

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: January 31, 2024, 10:31:24 AM »
Are those grafted or seedlings?
I think they are to be avoided but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t plant that😂.
Perhaps I would do a lot of foliage thinning and cut root tips to try and stimulate them. I’m thinking that those trees might have been in the ground, then dug out to sell??
Peter

Thank you for the tips. I have no idea if they have been in the ground. Yes, trees are grafted. No other size available at the moment. I really want this variety, hence willing to take a risk. Picture send to me by reliable guy in a nursery business who has 2 hectares of just mamey to experiment on. I would trust him with everything else, just don't trust with durian roots :)  Hence, the question.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: January 30, 2024, 06:00:58 PM »
No experience planting trees anywhere near that size for me. They are huge :). What you say makes sense to me but I'd be interested if anyone has experience planting something like these.

Yes, just trying to figure out whether to go with this size, or much smaller but initial smaller tree would be healthier and more productive long term.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: January 30, 2024, 03:09:46 PM »
Anybody has experience planting durians this size?? I wonder how thriving they will be with time given limited root system in a container? Will they be somewhat limited through entire life? Probably first year won't even grow at all, just try to adjust and establish itself?




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you grow Marang in Florida?
« on: December 05, 2023, 11:10:45 AM »
There is near identical species to Pedalai growing wild all over Bali. Very common ( I think it's artocarpus tamaran). I have seen close to a thousand trees with fruits by now, but impossible to find this fruit for sale.  If you don't prune when they are very young, this is what you get.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you grow Marang in Florida?
« on: December 05, 2023, 10:44:54 AM »
This is my pedalai. It has been in the ground for about 8 years, after 1 -2 years in a pot. Every year I think that this will be the year that it flowers but nothing yet. I have cut it back a few times in an attempt to control its height. It is due again.


Mine fruited for a first time after 9 years in ground and one year in a pot, under near ideal conditions in Sri Lanka. My tree had about 2.5 times more overall tree mass during first fruiting compared to this picture. It's wide, mushroom shape. Just topping is not enough, they will still grow near straight up. I topped several times, and new leaders were topped again 3 times. You have to sacrifice about 2 years of early growth just to get it in shape.  When it first fruited, it had about 50 fruits, all were harvestable using a knife on a pole, but nothing reachable by hand. Unlike marang which actually had lot's of fruit just one feet from a ground (fruit weight pushing branches down). Of course marang was toped multiple times to get into that shape. Marang is just so much more practical for a tighter space and significantly less waiting time to a first fruiting.

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It has to be done other way around. Chempedak on jackfruit for much stronger vigor. Being done every day in many nurseries.

I have chempedak tree like this, very fast growth and great yield.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: September 17, 2023, 01:08:46 PM »

I would like to be in Penang next June or so for durian and then go to Borneo for a wider range of fruits.
Peter

Make a stopover in Bali too. It's like additional $100 for a ticket. I'll show you around. After 11 months in Bali I know all the spots for premium durians. June was a peak season for amazing durians. As good as any premier Malaysian varieties, and all that time I was thinking how to spread these varieties to the world.

Durians are plentiful all year here. Not seasonal. But June and now in September mini peaks, really good stuff worth grafting.

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Black Thorn and Musang King both 6 seeds for $30 plus $19 shipping, Pulasan 6 seeds $18 and $15 shipping. Musang King seeds are from ultra premium grade as they called. I stayed in Singapore for few weeks, when my friend arrived we tried very best durians. All durians seeds are from very same boxes as shown. Seeds travelled with me and will be shipped from Europe, so should reach all destinations much faster than from Asia.











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Wanii is absolutely delicious, and it can be grown in florida from what I have heard.
Florida mango people shouldnt miss out on this one.

Gula pasir is good too.

I finally tasted perfectly ripe ones, and flavor was much improved. It went from just ok, to great/delicious. It had some real mango notes.

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Can these be bred with Mangifera Indica?

No, totally diiferent. Only appearance is mango, otherwise it has very little to do with mango. I heard desription taste like mango with jackfruit,  but that's absolutely not the case with my speciment. Allso seed structure is just like avocado.  Doesn't resemble mango.

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Also have durian Mon Thong seeds (one of the largest if not the largest durian variety in the world ), peanut butter fruit (taste like peanut butter ) mangosteen, rambutan seeds (excellent variety, flesh not sticking to a seed ). No price on these, make reasonable offer or request, I'll probably accept it.
Shipping $20 from Bali with Indonesian Post and tracking number. Durian seeds will likely be more than that depending on quantity.

Hey DurianLover, just a friendly reminder, it's a forum rule to put price on everything on this part of the forum if it's offered for sale, it's in the rules post.

Yeah feb should be  peak season for Mangifera caesia or syn. Mangifera wanii in Bali, there is a lot of different varieties, red skin, white, green and hybrids. Even a seedless one. Big small, round pear shaped.

Peace

Sorry, should have mentioned.  Price and pics were updated on the first post of this thread.

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Addeed Balanese Wani mango seeds.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bali, Indonesia fruit adventure
« on: January 16, 2023, 01:52:03 AM »
So, I am in Malaysia right now and there are durians in Pahang especially. I understand that February should be good in Java. Of course the advice to be cautious about quality is good.
Peter

It's peak second season now. Pahang season is pretty reliable every year. Prices have fallen significantly in Malay peninsula since November. Should last till end of February.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durio testudinarium
« on: January 16, 2023, 01:45:36 AM »
It's collector's item for it's rarity and looks, but as far as taste it tasted to me just like jackfruit. It had no creaminess or peanut butter texture of other durian species.

My seedlings died pretty early, while other durio species survived.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bali, Indonesia fruit adventure
« on: January 08, 2023, 02:11:35 AM »
I just left Bali after two months, so I guess the right person to ask :) All common topicals were available entire time while I was there.  Durian, mangosteen, rambutan, mangoes, salak, dragon fruit.. Season is coming to an end now. Actually it was not suppose to be peak fruit season but ever shifting monsoon patterns make it more unpredictable. October was extremally rainy in Bali, while it was supposed to be dry.

Indonesia is not the place for durian hunting. Very unpredictable quality. Sellers buy entire tree harvest in advance from villagers and instead of making multiple trips to a tree, cut lots of underripe fruits and take everything to a market at once.

Now I'm in Western Borneo, it's suppose to be peak fruits season, but limited selection available. For example, no marang, even though they definitely suppose to be in season if you go by old patterns. I was told they finished few months back. Dabai just found only one person with overripe fruits, season almost finished. Less common jungle durian varieties no where to be seen. Although you do have quite a few local only exotics available now. I just don't think they are worth travelling for ( I did not come for fruit hunting. I tasted everything before ) Unless you have intel on the ground, it will be difficult to time everything properly simply going by previous patterns. Eastern Borneo has different patterns.

edit. forgot to add, last day in Bali got contact of man who say he knows super tasty red flesh durian in Java. But not season now. The place is very close to Bali. From Bali to Java one hour ferry, and than one hour drive to tree. He will keep me updated.



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Edit: this section not available anymore.

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Edit: Indonesian Postal service not allowing any seed shipments anymore unlike when I was able to ship in December. Nothing is available for sale anymore!




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Good quality abiu. Taste so good, I can eat like 2 kilos at once, and I'm not even a big fruit eater despite being here :). Most importantly in tropics they produce 3-4 times a year at random times, loaded trees.

Agree on Dabai as well. However, harvest is a problem. Trees are very tall, my first branch is like at 18 feet high, and than crown. So, basically we eat only dropped fruits. My tree looks exactly like first one in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQLbBjC2aqA  Basically you have to be experienced coconut tree climber in order to get fresh fruits.

I had to look up dabai. I have eaten canary nut before and thought it was good. What does the fruit taste like?

Taste like "nuttiest", "fruittiest", fattest avocado, you'll ever have. Traditionally eaten with salt or soy sauce.  All these years I don't remember a single post anyone attempting to grow it in subtropics.

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Good quality abiu. Taste so good, I can eat like 2 kilos at once, and I'm not even a big fruit eater despite being here :). Most importantly in tropics they produce 3-4 times a year at random times, loaded trees.

Agree on Dabai as well. However, harvest is a problem. Trees are very tall, my first branch is like at 18 feet high, and than crown. So, basically we eat only dropped fruits. My tree looks exactly like first one in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQLbBjC2aqA  Basically you have to be experienced coconut tree climber in order to get fresh fruits.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: November 29, 2022, 11:17:15 AM »
Planting seedlings is best for somebody with the space to plant quite a few. Certainly there will be some disappointment.  But it is the only way to get the next terrific durian.
I’m interested in opinions on selecting seed material to plant.
I’m not just planting out anything. Most recently I’ve planted some very goog Penang durian seeds that came from mixed orchards. I’ve also planted a couple of D-2 seeds that came from a neighbors farm who has lots of variety.
The prospect of actually hybridizing intrigues me too. I have hybridized ornamentals and I figure it wouldn’t be that hard with durians.
Peter

I was disappointed to learn seedling success rate is not that good judging from this particular example. The farmer in Philippines planted 100 Chanee seeds, and only three seedlings were superior. One particular seedling named Duyaya sounds incredible. 55% of the weight edible portion with superior quality. Compare to standard 30% after husk and seeds weight. But I suspect Penang seedling from premier varieties will have better success rate.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RMt5CLn7Ik

@cassowary 4pm rule seems to apply at my particular location only. After posting I found out that I've been buying from wholesaler entire time without being aware of it. Also "white privilege" helped with discounts, lol...Prices are higher elsewhere in town. Here is his Facebook page if you are ever passing by through town:  https://web.facebook.com/groups/202054478437173/user/100009790715484/  Only 150 meters from MRT station.

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