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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: Mr. Clean on April 17, 2012, 04:28:13 PM
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:o Wow. I wonder how this mango tastes. :) Don't say "like pineapple". lol I wonder how this differs from "pina" colada when it comes to taste. What soil are you using?
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NICE...it sounds like a great mango going by the name!! Congrats!
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Dude! Looks to me like you stole the Zill label making machine.
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How do you know this is the first??
Jeff - this is a new one on me...problem is are they referring to the flavor or the tartness/acidity level ? I tasted a lot of numbered mangoes that would have fallen under the tart/acidic level that would imply "pineapple". Problem is, I am not a fan of overly tart magoes (too many were tart wil not enough balance of sweetness).
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:o Wow. I wonder how this mango tastes. :) Don't say "like pineapple". lol I wonder how this differs from "pina" colada when it comes to taste. What soil are you using?
I use the free compost offered to residents of palm beach county http://www.swa.org/site/information_and_documents/compost_distribution_procedures.htm (http://www.swa.org/site/information_and_documents/compost_distribution_procedures.htm)
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Yah, this one is news to me too. So far the new releases are:
- Coconut Cream - Edward x Gary
- Lemon Zest - PPK seedling
- Sunrise - Jakarta seedling
- Lady's Choice - East Indian seedling
- Pina Colada - Dot x Gary
- Harvest Moon
- Sweet Tart - Pillsbury seedling (if I remember correctly)
- Juliette - Julie x Gary
- Pineapple Pleasure
- Orange Sherbet* - PPK seedling
- Ugly Betty*
*Not yet released
How do you know this is the first??
Jeff - this is a new one on me...problem is are they referring to the flavor or the tartness/acidity level ? I tasted a lot of numbered mangoes that would have fallen under the tart/acidic level that would imply "pineapple". Problem is, I am not a fan of overly tart magoes (too many were tart wil not enough balance of sweetness).
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How do you know this is the first??
Jeff - this is a new one on me...problem is are they referring to the flavor or the tartness/acidity level ? I tasted a lot of numbered mangoes that would have fallen under the tart/acidic level that would imply "pineapple". Problem is, I am not a fan of overly tart magoes (too many were tart wil not enough balance of sweetness).
The nursery I bought it from said he got the first two Zill's sold...(today). Since his is a commercial nursery and he will be putting it in a pot at a commercial nursery...mine by default is the first planted (in ground) in the United States outside of a commercial nursery.
Sorry you don't like how my mangoes may taste....but I won't lose any sleep over it.
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Dude! Looks to me like you stole the Zill label making machine.
I'm sure you are joking...but what an odd thing to say!
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I thought it was a pretty funny comment myself :-).
Dude! Looks to me like you stole the Zill label making machine.
I'm sure you are joking...but what an odd thing to say!
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Yah, this one is news to me too. So far the new releases are:
- Coconut Cream - Edward x Gary
- Lemon Zest - PPK seedling
- Sunrise - Jakarta seedling
- Lady's Choice - East Indian seedling
- Pina Colada - Dot x Gary
- Harvest Moon
- Sweet Tart - Pillsbury seedling (if I remember correctly)
- Juliette - Julie x Gary
- Pineapple Pleasure
- Orange Sherbet* - PPK seedling
- Ugly Betty*
*Not yet released
How do you know this is the first??
Jeff - this is a new one on me...problem is are they referring to the flavor or the tartness/acidity level ? I tasted a lot of numbered mangoes that would have fallen under the tart/acidic level that would imply "pineapple". Problem is, I am not a fan of overly tart magoes (too many were tart wil not enough balance of sweetness).
Ugly Betty? I wonder how they came up with ;D that?
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Pretty funny, eh? I'm pretty sure he named it after 'Betty la Fea', which was a very popular Spanish telenovela (sitcom) that eventually spawned an English version.
Ugly Betty? I wonder how they came up with ;D that?
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Hmmm ..must be interesting to be a fly on the wall there..what names they want to come up with..
I can only imagine :)
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You can buy Pineapple Pleasure mangos from: http://www.brookstropicalnursery.com/ (http://www.brookstropicalnursery.com/)
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Yah, this one is news to me too. So far the new releases are:
- Coconut Cream - Edward x Gary
- Lemon Zest - PPK seedling
- Sunrise - Jakarta seedling
- Lady's Choice - East Indian seedling
- Pina Colada - Dot x Gary
- Harvest Moon
- Sweet Tart - Pillsbury seedling (if I remember correctly)
- Juliette - Julie x Gary
- Pineapple Pleasure
- Orange Sherbet* - PPK seedling
- Ugly Betty*
*Not yet released
I heard that the Lemon Zest and Orange Sherbet are the same mango trees.
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Pretty outrageous that a young whippersnapper like Mark is planting his Pineapple Pleasure before the rest of us. ;)
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How do you know this is the first??
Jeff - this is a new one on me...problem is are they referring to the flavor or the tartness/acidity level ? I tasted a lot of numbered mangoes that would have fallen under the tart/acidic level that would imply "pineapple". Problem is, I am not a fan of overly tart magoes (too many were tart wil not enough balance of sweetness).
The nursery I bought it from said he got the first two Zill's sold...(today). Since his is a commercial nursery and he will be putting it in a pot at a commercial nursery...mine by default is the first planted (in ground) in the United States outside of a commercial nursery.
Sorry you don't like how my mangoes may taste....but I won't lose any sleep over it.
Ahhh, first, they are not YOUR mangoes. Second, I have tasted countless Zill "experiments" over the last few years so I have a good handle on what they are producing. Many, or should I say most, of their experiments are not worthy of naming/planting.
Also, don't believe everything you hear as to who got this first and such...even if you heard it from Patrick :o :P 8) For there to be a plant to get bud wood for grafting these trees from there is most likely at least one in the ground.
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Ahhh, first, they are not YOUR mangoes. Second, I have tasted countless Zill "experiments" over the last few years so I have a good handle on what they are producing. Many, or should I say most, of their experiments are not worthy of naming/planting.
Also, don't believe everything you hear as to who got this first and such...even if you heard it from Patrick :o :P 8) For there to be a plant to get bud wood for grafting these trees from there is most likely at least one in the ground.
Rob,
Until proven otherwise, I continue to believe my tree is the first "outside of a commercial nursery." Please look at the wording of my post. The bud wood likely came from Zill's facility in Costa Rica (a commercial nursery)....so I continue to believe that I am the first "outside a commercial nursery."
I bought the Zill tree based on Zill's reputation. I would not expect Zill's to hit a homerun with every mango, but that on the average Zills would produce good trees. I bought the Sunrise, Coconut Cream, Lemon Zest, Sunrise, Pina Colada, Sweet Tart and Pineapple Pleasure based on Zill's reputation. Similarly, I bought the Mahachanok, NDM, and Carrie without tasting them...instead relying upon the suggestions of others. I grew up in Hawaii eating Paris and Hayden mangoes...my varities should be an improvement. I have ten varieties of mangoes and still have room to plant more.
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Rob,
Until proven otherwise, I continue to believe my tree is the first "outside of a commercial nursery." Please look at the wording of my post. The bud wood likely came from Zill's facility in Costa Rica (a commercial nursery)....so I continue to believe that I am the first "outside a commercial nursery."
Why would you think it came from Costa Rica? It most likely came from right here in Florida.
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I thought it was a pretty funny comment myself :-).
Dude! Looks to me like you stole the Zill label making machine.
I'm sure you are joking...but what an odd thing to say!
Funny, but not in a ha-ha kind of way.
Rob are you having a bad day? You seem like you are being unnecessarily confrontational! Chill pill or a martini needed?
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Quote from: Cookie Monster on Today at 06:13:27 PM
I thought it was a pretty funny comment myself :-).
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I thought it was a pretty funny comment myself :-).
Dude! Looks to me like you stole the Zill label making machine.
I'm sure you are joking...but what an odd thing to say!
Funny, but not in a ha-ha kind of way.
Rob are you having a bad day? You seem like you are being unnecessarily confrontational! Chill pill or a martini needed?
I'm buying.... Happy Hour anyone?
Im sure we are taking Rob's comment out of context.. He likes all mangos of all varieties..
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I thought it was a pretty funny comment myself :-).
Dude! Looks to me like you stole the Zill label making machine.
I'm sure you are joking...but what an odd thing to say!
I was referring to the comment above.... Zands was probably Joking and it wasn't Rob who posted that anyway...I missed the connection..... but the follow up was a bit much
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Just what I need.....another mango cultivar. :D
And another good marketing name.
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Just what I need.....another mango cultivar. :D
And another good marketing name.
How else would they stay in business? I'm holding out for the Cosmo mango
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Ahhh, first, they are not YOUR mangoes. Second, I have tasted countless Zill "experiments" over the last few years so I have a good handle on what they are producing. Many, or should I say most, of their experiments are not worthy of naming/planting.
Also, don't believe everything you hear as to who got this first and such...even if you heard it from Patrick :o :P 8) For there to be a plant to get bud wood for grafting these trees from there is most likely at least one in the ground.
Rob,
Until proven otherwise, I continue to believe my tree is the first "outside of a commercial nursery." Please look at the wording of my post. The bud wood likely came from Zill's facility in Costa Rica (a commercial nursery)....so I continue to believe that I am the first "outside a commercial nursery."
I bought the Zill tree based on Zill's reputation. I would not expect Zill's to hit a homerun with every mango, but that on the average Zills would produce good trees. I bought the Sunrise, coconut cream, Lemon Zest, Sunrise, Pina Colada, Sweet Tart and Pineapple Pleasure based on Zill's reputation. Similarly, I bought the Mahachanok, NDM, and Carrie without tasting them...instead relying upon the suggestions of others. I grew up in Hawaii eating Paris and Hayden mangoes...my varities should be an improvement. I have ten varieties of mangoes and still have room to plant more.
I am not trying to put you or your choices down, just to make you aware of Zills and their ways. There are a handful on here that not only know how Zills operates but knows the family. I am not knocking them either as some of their choices are outstanding...on the other hand, IN MY OPINION, some are duds and I would never think of planting them. While I love almost all mangoes, with the numerous varieties available during each "season (early, mid, and late), some come up very disappointing or pretty bad when there are much better varieties available.
I understand that you, and man other go by recommendation when buying mangoes. However, when doing this you should know the person and their tastes, What one person like another may hate. I have knowingly had all of the varieties Jeff listed above, with the exception of Lady's Choice, Ugly Betty and Juliette (I may have had Ugly Betty and Juliette but not familiar with their corresponding number...for those who don't know and without going into great detail, before Zills names one of their creations, they release the fruit with a number that identifies the tree it came from). To me, Sweet Tart was awful, Sunrise was "ok", and Pina Colada ranged from outstanding to inedible. The best were Coco Cream, Orange Sherbet, Lemon Zest and Harvest Moon.
Most of us are guilty of hyping certain varieties based on our knowledge of them. I will be the first to push the Mahachanok as the best mango available. Why, cause I have had a number of them and can vouch for just how good they are. I have also had a number of Coco Cream, OS, LZ HM and can also vouch for their quality though I will be honest in saying that none of them, TO ME, are better than the Mahachanok and my second fav would probably be Coco Cream. Are these new Zill "designed" varieties the best out there, probably not the best but some of them are right up there. Don't get caught up in the hype and overlook some of the superb "old" varieties such as Mallika, Duncan, Dot, NDM, Cushman, PPK, Edward, and Pickering just to name a few.
Since we are so close to the season this year, I would highly recommend tasting the different fruits to see what YOU like before you wind up wishing you had purchased variety A instead of variety B.
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I thought it was a pretty funny comment myself :-).
Dude! Looks to me like you stole the Zill label making machine.
I'm sure you are joking...but what an odd thing to say!
Funny, but not in a ha-ha kind of way.
Rob are you having a bad day? You seem like you are being unnecessarily confrontational! Chill pill or a martini needed?
Quote from: MarinFla on Today at 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on Today at 06:13:27 PM
I thought it was a pretty funny comment myself :-).
in order of your questions, No; Not all all, just being honest; and single malt scotch or an ice cold cilled glass of silver bkue agave tequilla ;) 8)
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Until proven otherwise, I continue to believe my tree is the first "outside of a commercial nursery." Please look at the wording of my post. The bud wood likely came from Zill's facility in Costa Rica (a commercial nursery)....so I continue to believe that I am the first "outside a commercial nursery."
I bought the Zill tree based on Zill's reputation. I would not expect Zill's to hit a homerun with every mango, but that on the average Zills would produce good trees. I bought the Sunrise, coconut cream, Lemon Zest, Sunrise, Pina Colada, Sweet Tart and Pineapple Pleasure based on Zill's reputation. Similarly, I bought the Mahachanok, NDM, and Carrie without tasting them...instead relying upon the suggestions of others. I grew up in Hawaii eating Paris and Hayden mangoes...my varities should be an improvement. I have ten varieties of mangoes and still have room to plant more.
All well an good but when are you going to put in a chicken tractor like SW Rancher. Your 30' mangoes are too spread out and need a mobile chicken coop in between them. Just saying.... and you are lucky to get my wisdom I usually charge for it @$350 per hour.
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Lol, just put the keyboard down man, just put the keyboard down. Maybe go to a mall or sporting event, beach maybe? Take a step back from the computer and maybe...
Mark nice tree, keep the pics coming. Its amazing how many trees you hace purchased recently, you have definitely gotten bit by the bug. I too bought a ross sapote off patrick and mine is growing very nicely.
Rob they make meds for this kind of thing.
_JoeP450
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Until proven otherwise, I continue to believe my tree is the first "outside of a commercial nursery." Please look at the wording of my post. The bud wood likely came from Zill's facility in Costa Rica (a commercial nursery)....so I continue to believe that I am the first "outside a commercial nursery."
I bought the Zill tree based on Zill's reputation. I would not expect Zill's to hit a homerun with every mango, but that on the average Zills would produce good trees. I bought the Sunrise, coconut cream, Lemon Zest, Sunrise, Pina Colada, Sweet Tart and Pineapple Pleasure based on Zill's reputation. Similarly, I bought the Mahachanok, NDM, and Carrie without tasting them...instead relying upon the suggestions of others. I grew up in Hawaii eating Paris and Hayden mangoes...my varities should be an improvement. I have ten varieties of mangoes and still have room to plant more.
All well an good but when are you going to put in a chicken tractor like SW Rancher. Your 30' mangoes are too spread out and need a mobile chicken coop in between them. Just saying.... and you are lucky to get my wisdom I usually charge for it @$350 per hour.
Ok, this quoting thing has gotten out of hand a little..you are responding to a quote with my name as the author but none of the e quote was mine... ???
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I am not trying to put you or your choices down, just to make you aware of Zills and their ways. There are a handful on here that not only know how Zills operates but knows the family. I am not knocking them either as some of their choices are outstanding...on the other hand, IN MY OPINION, some are duds and I would never think of planting them. While I love almost all mangoes, with the numerous varieties available during each "season (early, mid, and late), some come up very disappointing or pretty bad when there are much better varieties available.
I understand that you, and man other go by recommendation when buying mangoes. However, when doing this you should know the person and their tastes, What one person like another may hate. I have knowingly had all of the varieties Jeff listed above, with the exception of Lady's Choice, Ugly Betty and Juliette (I may have had Ugly Betty and Juliette but not familiar with their corresponding number...for those who don't know and without going into great detail, before Zills names one of their creations, they release the fruit with a number that identifies the tree it came from). To me, Sweet Tart was awful, Sunrise was "ok", and Pina Colada ranged from outstanding to inedible. The best were Coco Cream, Orange Sherbet, Lemon Zest and Harvest Moon.
Most of us are guilty of hyping certain varieties based on our knowledge of them. I will be the first to push the Mahachanok as the best mango available. Why, cause I have had a number of them and can vouch for just how good they are. I have also had a number of Coco Cream, OS, LZ HM and can also vouch for their quality though I will be honest in saying that none of them, TO ME, are better than the Mahachanok and my second fav would probably be Coco Cream. Are these new Zill "designed" varieties the best out there, probably not the best but some of them are right up there. Don't get caught up in the hype and overlook some of the superb "old" varieties such as Mallika, Duncan, Dot, NDM, Cushman, PPK, Edward, and Pickering just to name a few.
Since we are so close to the season this year, I would highly recommend tasting the different fruits to see what YOU like before you wind up wishing you had purchased variety A instead of variety B.
Rob: Thanks, good advice. If I find a variety I like better; I will plant it too. Part of the reason I am planting so many varieties of trees without tasting them is because I am planning on applying for an agricultural exemption to reduce my property taxes. I am thinking of doing a self-service honor system fruit stand like Harry.
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huh?
I thought it was a pretty funny comment myself :-).
Dude! Looks to me like you stole the Zill label making machine.
I'm sure you are joking...but what an odd thing to say!
I was referring to the comment above.... Zands was probably Joking and it wasn't Rob who posted that anyway...I missed the connection..... but the follow up was a bit much
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I am not trying to put you or your choices down, just to make you aware of Zills and their ways. There are a handful on here that not only know how Zills operates but knows the family. I am not knocking them either as some of their choices are outstanding...on the other hand, IN MY OPINION, some are duds and I would never think of planting them. While I love almost all mangoes, with the numerous varieties available during each "season (early, mid, and late), some come up very disappointing or pretty bad when there are much better varieties available.
I understand that you, and man other go by recommendation when buying mangoes. However, when doing this you should know the person and their tastes, What one person like another may hate. I have knowingly had all of the varieties Jeff listed above, with the exception of Lady's Choice, Ugly Betty and Juliette (I may have had Ugly Betty and Juliette but not familiar with their corresponding number...for those who don't know and without going into great detail, before Zills names one of their creations, they release the fruit with a number that identifies the tree it came from). To me, Sweet Tart was awful, Sunrise was "ok", and Pina Colada ranged from outstanding to inedible. The best were Coco Cream, Orange Sherbet, Lemon Zest and Harvest Moon.
Most of us are guilty of hyping certain varieties based on our knowledge of them. I will be the first to push the Mahachanok as the best mango available. Why, cause I have had a number of them and can vouch for just how good they are. I have also had a number of Coco Cream, OS, LZ HM and can also vouch for their quality though I will be honest in saying that none of them, TO ME, are better than the Mahachanok and my second fav would probably be Coco Cream. Are these new Zill "designed" varieties the best out there, probably not the best but some of them are right up there. Don't get caught up in the hype and overlook some of the superb "old" varieties such as Mallika, Duncan, Dot, NDM, Cushman, PPK, Edward, and Pickering just to name a few.
Since we are so close to the season this year, I would highly recommend tasting the different fruits to see what YOU like before you wind up wishing you had purchased variety A instead of variety B.
Rob: Thanks, good advice. If I find a variety I like better; I will plant it too. Part of the reason I am planting so many varieties of trees without tasting them is because I am planning on applying for an agricultural exemption to reduce my property taxes. I am thinking of doing a self-service honor system fruit stand like Harry.
Understood, but with over 100 varieties available your space could diminish quickly ;D
As you are lucky to have the space, I would also add some more lychees (and search out different varieties that will produce well here). Also, have you added any jackfruit, longans, mameys, atemoya, persimmon, carambola, citrus (tangerine, lemon, lime, kumquat) ? All good choices to help fill up your space and help with your exemption requirements.
Edit: Don't forget to add bananas. Visit Excalibur or for a huge selection, make the trip to Going Bananas.
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Lol, just put the keyboard down man, just put the keyboard down. Maybe go to a mall or sporting event, beach maybe? Take a step back from the computer and maybe...
Mark nice tree, keep the pics coming. Its amazing how many trees you hace purchased recently, you have definitely gotten bit by the bug. I too bought a ross sapote off patrick and mine is growing very nicely.
Rob they make meds for this kind of thing.
_JoeP450
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BSB ullie..... ignore the passive aggressive pygmies like Joe up there. All your comments are good and appreciated and maybe even silver or golden. You impart very good intel and the couch potatoes sometimes don't appreciate it.
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Just One More Comment:
Mark-if you want to learn an amazing amount of info and if you want to taste many types of mangos/tropical fruits,
then visit Excalibur. Richard and Linda are extremely nice and they are experts.
Excalibur has hundreds of varieties( maybe over a thousand, I'm not sure). Why not take advantage of the opportunity to see and learn. I suspect that you will stop buying mango trees to make room for other exotic and delicious fruit trees like Sapodilla, Jakfruit and Longan. You also may taste a mango which you "must have." Maybe it will be an old variety like Valencia Pride ( Delish in my opinion).
Its great to post that you are the first to plant a tree, but its even better to post that you are the first one to taste its fruit!
:)
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BSB ullie..... ignore the passive aggressive pygmies like Joe up there. All your comments are good and appreciated and maybe even silver or golden. You impart very good intel and the couch potatoes sometimes don't appreciate it.
Gracias :)
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Richard and Linda Thompson (thanks Natalie) in honor of Excalibur (King Arthur's Sword) Nursery in Lake Worth where me dad (mother too) is buried in the recent opened US military cemetery there
Richard & Linda Thompson - A Heart Needs A Home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqViJyweNV0#)
Sarcasm?
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Richard and Linda Thompson (thanks Natalie) in honor of Excalibur (King Arthur's Sword) Nursery in Lake Worth where me dad (mother too) is buried in the recent opened US military cemetery there
Richard & Linda Thompson - A Heart Needs A Home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqViJyweNV0#)
Sarcasm?
Not at all just a good video...... from lets say 1978 or so in England. Is that so long ago?
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I grew up in Hawaii eating Paris and Hayden mangoes...my varities should be an improvement. I have ten varieties of mangoes and still have room to plant more.
I think you must have meant Pirie mango or White Pirie, as Paris is not a common cultivar here? I've never tasted it.
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:o Wow. I wonder how this mango tastes. :) Don't say "like pineapple". lol I wonder how this differs from "pina" colada when it comes to taste. What soil are you using?
Pineapple pleasure is the non-alcoholic version of Pina Colada? Specially designed for the teetotallers in Florida? You guys in Florida sure are creative with the names! Seems like soon you will be running out of bar tender favorite names. ;)
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I grew up in Hawaii eating Paris and Hayden mangoes...my varities should be an improvement. I have ten varieties of mangoes and still have room to plant more.
I think you must have meant Pirie mango or White Pirie, as Paris is not a common cultivar here? I've never tasted it.
Yes, white pirie. Mistaken spelling based on a poster I saw of mangos in Hawaii.
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HAHAHAHAHA Yah, I bet Gary was grasping for names after the 10th or 11th one :-).
:o Wow. I wonder how this mango tastes. :) Don't say "like pineapple". lol I wonder how this differs from "pina" colada when it comes to taste. What soil are you using?
Pineapple pleasure is the non-alcoholic version of Pina Colada? Specially designed for the teetotallers in Florida? You guys in Florida sure are creative with the names! Seems like soon you will be running out of bar tender favorite names. ;)
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HAHAHAHAHA Yah, I bet Gary was grasping for names after the 10th or 11th one :-).
I much prefer the names that don't suggest anything about the mango's flavor like Jakarta, Julie, Carrie, Neelam, Bombay, etc.
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HAHAHAHAHA Yah, I bet Gary was grasping for names after the 10th or 11th one :-).
I much prefer the names that don't suggest anything about the mango's flavor like Jakarta, Julie, Carrie, Neelam, Bombay, etc.
Agreed as it doesn't leave any expectations from purchasers. "old fashioned" names allows the taster/buyer to anaylize the mango on their on tastes/merits and not what they are expecting it to be based on a name.
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In agreement with ordinary names ... though the newer ones are catchy ;D
We all know with different growing condition yields differing tasting fruits, even of the same cultivar. There was a study done on this in Australia for the R2E2, or was it KP, I can't seem to remember exactly.
So for all we know, Pineapple Pleasure could turn out tasting like bananas or Lemon Zest could be Dekopon Zest for California growers. Heck, for any tree out side of Zills original tree ;D ;D ;D
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I think they were thinking about easy pot labeling.. LZ, CC, PP, HM.....
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In agreement with ordinary names ... though the newer ones are catchy ;D
We all know with different growing condition yields differing tasting fruits, even of the same cultivar. There was a study done on this in Australia for the R2E2, or was it KP, I can't seem to remember exactly.
So for all we know, Pineapple Pleasure could turn out tasting like bananas or Lemon Zest could be Dekopon Zest for California growers. Heck, for any tree out side of Zills original tree ;D ;D ;D
I think it was done with KP. The story I was told(IIRC) was that they went around Australia and collected various KP's that had different growth habits, flavors and different looking fruits and brought them all to one location and when they grew them they all ended up being the same. It really showed the variation that can be caused by soil and microclimates.
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I think they were thinking about easy pot labeling.. LZ, CC, PP, HM.....
that makes sense.... Harvest Moon is a great name which doesn't give any taste expectation
They have to name the mangoes something... nothing wrong with being creative. I really want to know what Ugly Betty's taste is going to be compared to... ???
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Mark, congrats on your new mango tree. :) Keep us posted on this new cultivar.
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Yah, the problem is that the name suggests something that may be unappealing to some customers. For example, the name 'Lemon Zest' has scared away those folks who think that the mango is going to have a sharp lemony tart to it (totally untrue). I've had a hard time trying to convince customers otherwise. A 'neutral' name like 'Pickering' is better, as it is free from mental associations.
My take is - the Zill's are strong on mango propagation, selection, and cultivation (probably #1 in the U.S.) but not so strong on the marketing side. Pine Island, on the other hand, is strong on marketing. Marketing brings in first time customers. High quality product keeps the customers returning.
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Yah, the problem is that the name suggests something that may be unappealing to some customers. For example, the name 'Lemon Zest' has scared away those folks who think that the mango is going to have a sharp lemony tart to it (totally untrue). I've had a hard time trying to convince customers otherwise. A 'neutral' name like 'Pickering' is better, as it is free from mental associations.
My take is - the Zill's are strong on mango propagation, selection, and cultivation (probably #1 in the U.S.) but not so strong on the marketing side. Pine Island, on the other hand, is strong on marketing. Marketing brings in first time customers. High quality product keeps the customers returning.
Personally, I would have never bought a mango names Lemon Zest - but I read about it on Garden Web and I knew that it wasn't lemony.
Pine Island has the great website with the mango viewer- Zills doesn't have anything like that. I never heard of Zills until I started researching on line-no one I know has ever heard of Zills ( except my husband who lived in Boynton Beach-he used to go fishing with an "old mango grove man", Mr Zill )
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Yah, the problem is that the name suggests something that may be unappealing to some customers. For example, the name 'Lemon Zest' has scared away those folks who think that the mango is going to have a sharp lemony tart to it (totally untrue). I've had a hard time trying to convince customers otherwise. A 'neutral' name like 'Pickering' is better, as it is free from mental associations.
My take is - the Zill's are strong on mango propagation, selection, and cultivation (probably #1 in the U.S.) but not so strong on the marketing side. Pine Island, on the other hand, is strong on marketing. Marketing brings in first time customers. High quality product keeps the customers returning.
I am not sure Zills is even looking at it from a marketing standpoint. Because of their reputation and the fact they are a wholesale nursery, they are not the one that has to sell to the public. My take is that they are relying on the marketing of the nurseries that are buying them and retailing them. A good nursery with a good reputation will have no problem selling a mango no matter what the name if they proclaim its qulity from coming from Zills. I also think there is a benefit when nurseries that sell the trees also get fruit from zills to help market the trees. Between you, murahilin and myself, tasting these creations over the years and "spreading the word" has been probably the biggest marketing tool they could have.
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Names aside, the Zill family has invested about 80 years in the improvement of Mango variety. In all fairness, they deserve a lot of credit for their work.. Chances are good that although they have released a lot of new varieties recently, each one is an improvement on already well bred parents. What tastes good to one person may not taste good to the next, but the concensus seems to be that Gary has a grasp on the improvement process.. We should be careful how we describe a mans hard work. By discounting varieties it can be just as negative for a company as it is positive. By telling people that something is not worth planting you can create a narrow minded view limiting diversity. With power comes responsibility.
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Well said, Uncle Ben.
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hehe No doubt about that. I've taken a 'collect them all' approach to the new zill mangoes. I went ahead and joined the Pineapple Pleasure club today myself :-).
Names aside, the Zill family has invested about 80 years in the improvement of Mango variety. In all fairness, they deserve a lot of credit for their work.. Chances are good that although they have released a lot of new varieties recently, each one is an improvement on already well bred parents. What tastes good to one person may not taste good to the next, but the concensus seems to be that Gary has a grasp on the improvement process.. We should be careful how we describe a mans hard work. By discounting varieties it can be just as negative for a company as it is positive. By telling people that something is not worth planting you can create a narrow minded view limiting diversity. With power comes responsibility.
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I stopped by Excalibur today and I noticed they also had the Pineapple Pleasure for sale if anyone is interested. They also had the Sunrise, Sweet Tart, Lemon Zest, Coconut Cream and the Jehangir that Jeff mentioned in another post.
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Has anyone tasted Pineapple Pleasure this year? How was it? I've read that it's tart but is it also fairly sweet? I would think that a variety released by Zills may have some tart but also balanced with moderate sweetness.
Simon
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I have eaten a Pineapple Pleasure this year. Its taste is what it is, a msngo with a distinct sweet pineapple flavor. This is not a new variety so not sure otherwise how to respond to your post. Not sure what your additional comment is that since its a Zill's mango it has to have a tart component. I describe an unripe mango to be potentially tart. The Pineapple Pleasure, and some others, have certain levels of a subacid component but if picked and ripened properly i am not sure i would say tr art.
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Thanks for the information Rob. What I was trying to say is that I don't believe that Zills would release a very tart mango, one that is not sweet at all. From what I've read, most if not all the new Zill varieties have a good balance of sweet, even if it has a tart component like Sweet Tart.
Simon
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Thanks for the information Rob. What I was trying to say is that I don't believe that Zills would release a very tart mango, one that is not sweet at all. From what I've read, most if not all the new Zill varieties have a good balance of sweet, even if it has a tart component like Sweet Tart.
Simon
When the Sweet Tart is picked properly and ripened fully, it does not really have that Sudafed component.
Harvest Moon has very little to no subacid component either. Coconut Cream definitely has none.