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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: SeaWalnut on June 27, 2020, 10:30:48 PM
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Moldova,a small country in eastern Europe is known for making high quality vine .They are like number 3 or 4 in the world at best wine making but considering the small size of the country compared to Australia for instance ,you get the idea they are experts.
Unfortunatedly ,this country,Moldova,also has the biggest problem with alcohol consumption in the world and one of 4 deaths are atributed to alcohol.
They grow a lot of fruits and make alcohol from them.
This i see it as a negative side of too much fruit growing and the reason i decided my main crop to be not fruits but nuts ,so that my family,kids,nephews and future generations,can not make alcohool from them.
In a way ,i think Moldova would have been better if they were becoming muslims since muslims dont drink that much and is one of the things i like at them.
https://time.com/5654052/moldova-drinking-problem/
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And a little moldovan joke:
Priest asks moldovan : Why did you contribute with soo little monney to the church fund?
Moldovan: because when i got to church you gave me just a little spoon of vine.
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Just wait until the vegans come to raid your farm, milk your nuts and ferment it into an alcohol!
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Moldova,a small country in eastern Europe is known for making high quality vine .They are like number 3 or 4 in the world at best wine making but considering the small size of the country compared to Australia for instance ,you get the idea they are experts.
Unfortunatedly ,this country,Moldova,also has the biggest problem with alcohol consumption in the world and one of 4 deaths are atributed to alcohol.
They grow a lot of fruits and make alcohol from them.
This i see it as a negative side of too much fruit growing and the reason i decided my main crop to be not fruits but nuts ,so that my family,kids,nephews and future generations,can not make alcohool from them.
In a way ,i think Moldova would have been better if they were becoming muslims since muslims dont drink that much and is one of the things i like at them.
https://time.com/5654052/moldova-drinking-problem/
Just wait until the vegans come to raid your farm, milk your nuts and ferment it into an alcohol!
In my opinion I see this as a preposterous statement.There cannot be such a thing as too much fruit growing as I believe that just like other primates we are a frugivore species. If anything what we see is not enough fruit growing...
What humans choose to do with the fruit shouldn't stigmatize it, take the fruit away and they will just grow potatoes and ferment that, take everything away and they will make toilet wine! Would you then put a stigma on toilets?
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Thats why we should have more diversity of fruits that rippen at different times and that are good for eating.
Fruit growing for alcohol is not on my list altough i do have a copper distillery at home ( wich im still dreaming to melt it because i need that copper ).
About raw vegans,i have 2 friends like this,husband and wife.They live in the city and i was soo impressed such people exist that i told them they can visit my farm and take all the fruits they want for free.
But they were not interested in my fruits because they consider i grow non interesting fruits and they also dont look good as the supermarket fruits they eat in the city
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I take fruit from my various producing plants to work and offer it up. Watching the reaction from people who have only seen perfect supermarket fruit is humorous. They recoil at my fruits with spots and stings etc. The others are happy to eat it. D
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Thats why we should have more diversity of fruits that rippen at different times and that are good for eating.
Fruit growing for alcohol is not on my list altough i do have a copper distillery at home ( wich im still dreaming to melt it because i need that copper ).
About raw vegans,i have 2 friends like this,husband and wife.They live in the city and i was soo impressed such people exist that i told them they can cisit my farm and rake all the fruits they want for free.
But they were not interested in my fruits because they consider i grow non interesting fruits and they also dont look good as the supermarket fruits they eat in the city
Now diversity in fruit is something I definitely agree with.
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Nut milk alcohol is definitely the next big thing.
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SeaWalnut--- I think you are talking about Slivovitz made from plums? The Romanian equivalent of Slivovitz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slivovitz
So too many plum trees in Romania means too many drunk on Slivovitz. I have never tasted Slivovitz. It is rare in America and always imported. I was curious but it was too expensive. Slivovitz must be dirt cheap in Romania. My guess is one dollar per liter. How much sugar are they adding when they make this?
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SeaWalnut--- I think you are talking about Slivovitz made from plums? The Romanian equivalent of Slivovitz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slivovitz
So too many plum trees in Romania means too many drunk on Slivovitz. I have never tasted Slivovitz. It is rare in America and always imported. I was curious but it was too expensive. Slivovitz must be dirt cheap in Romania. My guess is one dollar per liter. How much sugar are they adding when they make this?
The cheapest is 5 dollars per litter.
Usually no sugar is added .But if you want to add sugar ,you get a litter of booze for a kilo of sugar wich is cheap .
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Moldova,a small country in eastern Europe is known for making high quality vine .They are like number 3 or 4 in the world at best wine making but considering the small size of the country compared to Australia for instance ,you get the idea they are experts.
Unfortunatedly ,this country,Moldova,also has the biggest problem with alcohol consumption in the world and one of 4 deaths are atributed to alcohol.
They grow a lot of fruits and make alcohol from them.
This i see it as a negative side of too much fruit growing and the reason i decided my main crop to be not fruits but nuts ,so that my family,kids,nephews and future generations,can not make alcohool from them.
In a way ,i think Moldova would have been better if they were becoming muslims since muslims dont drink that much and is one of the things i like at them.
https://time.com/5654052/moldova-drinking-problem/
I grew up in the biggest Muslim country in the world. Sure we don't drink alcohol. But we have the highest death rate from smoking cigarette. Not to mention kids and young people have lung cancer from second hand smoking.
Cigarette is not 'haram' in the Koran, so if the government try to restrict it, the mulah will rule against it.
Human being will always find ways to destroy themselves.
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Palingkecil,Turkey and Iran have much longer life expectancy than Moldova.Alcohol its more destructive than smoking tobacco altough tobacco is bad and it killed more poeple on the planet than all the wars in history put together.
Pokeweed,i was verry offended that the raw vegan friends refused my fruits .But i also offered them to take quince as i have those giant quince in excess.
They are a verry good fruit to eat ,high quality,but can not be eaten raw because when raw they are tough like wood.
Since these friends eat only raw fruits and vegetables,they were not interested in quince for wich cooking its mandatory.
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People need to start accepting responsibility and stop placing blame for the insults they place upon themselves.
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I think fruit is a great and beautiful thing. I see your concern, though.
I would say that the fruit themselves are not bad. As the fermentation process takes fruit and turns it to alcohol, which you may be against for either religious or strictly health reasons.
I’d say the power is in the knowledge. Teach those in your area around the benefits and good things fruit can bring. Turn it for something to use properly over a removal of it.
Keep in mind it is all up to you. I wish you well!
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Keep in mind everyone that there are other downsides to eating a bunch of fruit if you are all worried about that. I'm talking about eating mostly fruit here, not that eating a lot of fruit in general is bad.
Stuff like veganism is really unhealthy too, so don't get too exited about those kinds of ideas in case thats what you are all talking about.
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Keep in mind everyone that there are other downsides to eating a bunch of fruit if you are all worried about that. I'm talking about eating mostly fruit here, not that eating a lot of fruit in general is bad.
Stuff like veganism is really unhealthy too, so don't get too exited about those kinds of ideas in case thats what you are all talking about.
I dont think its fair to describe veganism as "really unhealthy"
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Too much fruit harming society? It must be way down on the list! Too much of any good thing can be bad.
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not sure i follow the logic
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They make alcohool from the fruits and 1 in 4 deaths are caused by alcohol there.
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In China, Japan, and Korea people make wine from rice, in Bali island they make alcohol drink from pinneapple peel. None of this place has a high death rate from alcohol. So maybe only alcohol from grapes is deathly? Anyway, self control is the key.
I rather people drink than smoke though. Second hand smoker is no fun at all. There is no second hand drinker.
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Moldova,a small country in eastern Europe is known for making high quality vine .They are like number 3 or 4 in the world at best wine making but considering the small size of the country compared to Australia for instance ,you get the idea they are experts.
Unfortunatedly ,this country,Moldova,also has the biggest problem with alcohol consumption in the world and one of 4 deaths are atributed to alcohol.
They grow a lot of fruits and make alcohol from them.
This i see it as a negative side of too much fruit growing and the reason i decided my main crop to be not fruits but nuts ,so that my family,kids,nephews and future generations,can not make alcohool from them.
In a way ,i think Moldova would have been better if they were becoming muslims since muslims dont drink that much and is one of the things i like at them.
https://time.com/5654052/moldova-drinking-problem/
I grew up in the biggest Muslim country in the world. Sure we don't drink alcohol. But we have the highest death rate from smoking cigarette. Not to mention kids and young people have lung cancer from second hand smoking.
Cigarette is not 'haram' in the Koran, so if the government try to restrict it, the mulah will rule against it.
Human being will always find ways to destroy themselves.
People need to start accepting responsibility and stop placing blame for the insults they place upon themselves.
Now this is some truth!
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Keep in mind everyone that there are other downsides to eating a bunch of fruit if you are all worried about that. I'm talking about eating mostly fruit here, not that eating a lot of fruit in general is bad.
Stuff like veganism is really unhealthy too, so don't get too exited about those kinds of ideas in case thats what you are all talking about.
Not sure why you think veganism is unhealthy, but I will say eating the fake processed vegan foods definitely is as unhealthy as fake processed foods that aren't vegan. Again, it isn't veganism that is the problem it is the types of food some vegans choose to eat and the choices of what they consume.
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Palingkecil,Turkey and Iran have much longer life expectancy than Moldova.Alcohol its more destructive than smoking tobacco altough tobacco is bad and it killed more poeple on the planet than all the wars in history put together.
Pokeweed,i was verry offended that the raw vegan friends refused my fruits .But i also offered them to take quince as i have those giant quince in excess.
They are a verry good fruit to eat ,high quality,but can not be eaten raw because when raw they are tough like wood.
Since these friends eat only raw fruits and vegetables,they were not interested in quince for wich cooking its mandatory.
Don't be offended Walnut, I'm sure if it were raw fruit then they would be happy to accept it as long as it isn't covered in chemicals that is. It's frustrating when people get offended when you don't eat something they offer when you choose to abstain from that particular food or drink. No need to judge, just think about it from their perspective and understand!
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not sure i follow the logic
There is none. Just another silly topic on the forum.
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Keeps this 72 yr old fruit nut regular as a clock ;D
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Keeps this 72 yr old fruit nut regular as a clock ;D
Me, too! (I'm 69.) ;D ;D
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For those wondering, problem with veganism is that you dont get the proper nutrients your body needs. its scientifically proven that your intelligence drops if you go vegan. You literally become an idiot. Thats just one of the downsides. It is indeed healthier to eat less meat and more plant products, but not 100% plant products. For example i'm mostly vegetarian, I eat mostly plant based meals. Most commonly rice and beans. But I still eat things such as eggs and certain dairy. And occasionally certain kinds of meats.
Hopefully you get it now.
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For those wondering, problem with veganism is that you dont get the proper nutrients your body needs. its scientifically proven that your intelligence drops if you go vegan. You literally become an idiot. Thats just one of the downsides. It is indeed healthier to eat less meat and more plant products, but not 100% plant products. For example i'm mostly vegetarian, I eat mostly plant based meals. Most commonly rice and beans. But I still eat things such as eggs and certain dairy. And occasionally certain kinds of meats.
Hopefully you get it now.
I'm not vegan, but where is the scientific literature on this?
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Man I always eat my fruit so fast that I'd never be able to collect enough to make mash with for alcohol, haha. If it's ripe, I'll dome that thing in about 2.5 seconds flat after picking.
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For those wondering, problem with veganism is that you dont get the proper nutrients your body needs. its scientifically proven that your intelligence drops if you go vegan. You literally become an idiot. Thats just one of the downsides. It is indeed healthier to eat less meat and more plant products, but not 100% plant products. For example i'm mostly vegetarian, I eat mostly plant based meals. Most commonly rice and beans. But I still eat things such as eggs and certain dairy. And occasionally certain kinds of meats.
Hopefully you get it now.
I'd also like to see the scientific literature that 'proves' this.
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Years ago I was vegan for 6 years. Let me be more precise. I ate fish every now and then so I was 99.5% vegan. For all vegans out there----And this is no lie---- You will all hit the wall eventually. More so for men than women. Women can hold out longer on a zero animal food diet.
Vegan men will definitely cave in sooner and give it up. You want to try a real health kick. Juice two bunches celery before you eat anything. Celery juice X2 for breakfast. Optional add ins are ginger and lime and MSM powder.
https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Medium-Celery-Juice-Worldwide/dp/140195765X/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=celery+juice&qid=1593470122&sr=8-6 (https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Medium-Celery-Juice-Worldwide/dp/140195765X/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=celery+juice&qid=1593470122&sr=8-6)
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Years ago I was vegan for 6 years. Let me be more precise. I ate fish every now and then so I was 99.5% vegan. For all vegans out there----And this is no lie---- You will all hit the wall eventually. More so for men than women. Women can hold out longer on a zero animal food diet.
Purely anecdotal, not scientific, although I respect your advice based on personal experience. I'm not thinking about becoming vegan. Too late for that.
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Alcoholism is a personal problem which doesn't have so much to do with fruit or even alcohol production.
I grow far more than I can eat and also make wine but don't drink to excess. Today I started a batch of pineapple peel wine from 15 fresh home grown pineapples. I have bottles of wine from 3 years ago when I am invited somewhere I walk with a bottle or two to share. Anybody want to invite me to dinner?
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For those wondering, problem with veganism is that you dont get the proper nutrients your body needs. its scientifically proven that your intelligence drops if you go vegan. You literally become an idiot. Thats just one of the downsides. It is indeed healthier to eat less meat and more plant products, but not 100% plant products. For example i'm mostly vegetarian, I eat mostly plant based meals. Most commonly rice and beans. But I still eat things such as eggs and certain dairy. And occasionally certain kinds of meats.
Hopefully you get it now.
I'd also like to see the scientific literature that 'proves' this.
You and the other guy want me to go look for the evidence? I'm not your free encyclopedia, you can go find it yourself. This isnt some facebook conspiracy. Just search it up and a number of articles will pop up.
Plus its kind of common sense.... I don't think I need to explain why it is.
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For those wondering, problem with veganism is that you dont get the proper nutrients your body needs. its scientifically proven that your intelligence drops if you go vegan. You literally become an idiot. Thats just one of the downsides. It is indeed healthier to eat less meat and more plant products, but not 100% plant products. For example i'm mostly vegetarian, I eat mostly plant based meals. Most commonly rice and beans. But I still eat things such as eggs and certain dairy. And occasionally certain kinds of meats.
Hopefully you get it now.
I'm not vegan, but where is the scientific literature on this?
There are some things that can drop your IQ, but being a vegan isn’t one of them as long you someone gets all their essential amino acids. Blanket statements are almost always false.
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For those wondering, problem with veganism is that you dont get the proper nutrients your body needs. its scientifically proven that your intelligence drops if you go vegan. You literally become an idiot. Thats just one of the downsides. It is indeed healthier to eat less meat and more plant products, but not 100% plant products. For example i'm mostly vegetarian, I eat mostly plant based meals. Most commonly rice and beans. But I still eat things such as eggs and certain dairy. And occasionally certain kinds of meats.
Hopefully you get it now.
I'm not vegan, but where is the scientific literature on this?
There are some things that can drop your IQ, but being a vegan isn’t one of them as long you someone gets all their essential amino acids. Blanket statements are almost always false.
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/260118/going-vegan-may-make-you-stupid-says-study.html#:~:text=According%20to%20researchers%2C%20giving%20up,health%20consequences%20for%20future%20generations. (https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/260118/going-vegan-may-make-you-stupid-says-study.html#:~:text=According%20to%20researchers%2C%20giving%20up,health%20consequences%20for%20future%20generations.)
https://www.animalactivistwatch.com/animal-rights-activism/going-vegan-makes-you-dumb/ (https://www.animalactivistwatch.com/animal-rights-activism/going-vegan-makes-you-dumb/)
https://neurosciencenews.com/vegan-diet-brain-health-14845/ (https://neurosciencenews.com/vegan-diet-brain-health-14845/)
Those are just 3 of some of the ones I found from a quick search. Look into it yourself.
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For those wondering, problem with veganism is that you dont get the proper nutrients your body needs. its scientifically proven that your intelligence drops if you go vegan. You literally become an idiot. Thats just one of the downsides. It is indeed healthier to eat less meat and more plant products, but not 100% plant products. For example i'm mostly vegetarian, I eat mostly plant based meals. Most commonly rice and beans. But I still eat things such as eggs and certain dairy. And occasionally certain kinds of meats.
Hopefully you get it now.
I'm not vegan, but where is the scientific literature on this?
There are some things that can drop your IQ, but being a vegan isn’t one of them as long you someone gets all their essential amino acids. Blanket statements are almost always false.
Im not trolling veganism but a vegan cant get the essential aminoacids because those are found only in animal byproducts.
They are called essential but doesnt mean they really are essential just that humans cant break them down from plants.
To each on their own and i respect people choices.
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I have bottles of wine from 3 years ago when I am invited somewhere I walk with a bottle or two to share. Anybody want to invite me to dinner?
I hear the large tub beginning to boil... Yep, your gonna make one cannibal Very Happy....
Just kidding. But, since you dive, I like to invite people to go with me.... I'm always looking for something fresh for trolling.... Just kidding again... lol...
I haven't had a glass of my homemade wine in over 3 months... But I'm rapidly getting into a silly mood desirous of more silliness. By the way, I've eaten A LOT Of FRUIT TODAY.... Soooo let's see the Topic... AAAH::: Too much fruit harms society ?.............. Sure It's the Fruit's Fault.... lol.... It's the perfect reply for SeaWalnut....
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Thanks for the links, Bud. Sorry to impose on you. As hunter-gatherers humans were omnivorous. It seems the logical way to go, but at my age a little meat goes a long way. Wouldn't want to go a day without fruit, however. It seems to suffice for my breakfast. And I get along very well without fast food and soft drinks--probably harming society more than fruit!
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I have bottles of wine from 3 years ago when I am invited somewhere I walk with a bottle or two to share. Anybody want to invite me to dinner?
I hear the large tub beginning to boil... Yep, your gonna make one cannibal Very Happy....
Just kidding. But, since you dive, I like to invite people to go with me.... I'm always looking for something fresh for trolling.... Just kidding again... lol...
I haven't had a glass of my homemade wine in over 3 months... But I'm rapidly getting into a silly mood desirous of more silliness. By the way, I've eaten A LOT Of FRUIT TODAY.... Soooo let's see the Topic... AAAH::: Too much fruit harms society ?.............. Sure It's the Fruit's Fault.... lol.... It's the perfect reply for SeaWalnut....
Fructose from fruits its almost equal with alcohol and it damages the liver same way as alcohol.
If you feed a human or a kid mainly on sweet fruits it will get cirrhosis similar to cirrhosis from alcohol.
Fructose needs to be breaked down by the liver just like alcohol and we can only process 60 grams of fructose a day.
Eating a lot of sweet fruits can be as harmfull as drinking alcohol.
Its just science and if you do a basic google search about fructose ,youl see im right.
Sugar from supermarket bag its more healthy than fructose from fruit but we dont eat fruits especially for the fructose only.
If i fed my bees fructose they have a 9 days lifespan while from eating crystal sugar from a bag they can live up to 2 months.
At least if we grow fruits that in excess can damage the liver same way as alcohol,then alcohol i think its a better option .
The forum its not about trolling fruits but about being aware of the legacy you can leave to your family future generations by planting a lot of fruit trees( orchards).
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For those wondering, problem with veganism is that you dont get the proper nutrients your body needs. its scientifically proven that your intelligence drops if you go vegan. You literally become an idiot. Thats just one of the downsides. It is indeed healthier to eat less meat and more plant products, but not 100% plant products. For example i'm mostly vegetarian, I eat mostly plant based meals. Most commonly rice and beans. But I still eat things such as eggs and certain dairy. And occasionally certain kinds of meats.
Hopefully you get it now.
I'm not vegan, but where is the scientific literature on this?
There are some things that can drop your IQ, but being a vegan isn’t one of them as long you someone gets all their essential amino acids. Blanket statements are almost always false.
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/260118/going-vegan-may-make-you-stupid-says-study.html#:~:text=According%20to%20researchers%2C%20giving%20up,health%20consequences%20for%20future%20generations. (https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/260118/going-vegan-may-make-you-stupid-says-study.html#:~:text=According%20to%20researchers%2C%20giving%20up,health%20consequences%20for%20future%20generations.)
https://www.animalactivistwatch.com/animal-rights-activism/going-vegan-makes-you-dumb/ (https://www.animalactivistwatch.com/animal-rights-activism/going-vegan-makes-you-dumb/)
https://neurosciencenews.com/vegan-diet-brain-health-14845/ (https://neurosciencenews.com/vegan-diet-brain-health-14845/)
Those are just 3 of some of the ones I found from a quick search. Look into it yourself.
As I said if someone can get all their essentials from a vegan diet they won't have any physiological deficits. Most vegans need dietary supplementation to meet those needs. All articles point to a nutrient deficiency causing a deficit, which can be incorporated with supplementation. A more plant based diet is generally conducive to good health.
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For those wondering, problem with veganism is that you dont get the proper nutrients your body needs. its scientifically proven that your intelligence drops if you go vegan. You literally become an idiot. Thats just one of the downsides. It is indeed healthier to eat less meat and more plant products, but not 100% plant products. For example i'm mostly vegetarian, I eat mostly plant based meals. Most commonly rice and beans. But I still eat things such as eggs and certain dairy. And occasionally certain kinds of meats.
Hopefully you get it now.
I'm not vegan, but where is the scientific literature on this?
There are some things that can drop your IQ, but being a vegan isn’t one of them as long you someone gets all their essential amino acids. Blanket statements are almost always false.
Im not trolling veganism but a vegan cant get the essential aminoacids because those are found only in animal byproducts.
They are called essential but doesnt mean they really are essential just that humans cant break them down from plants.
To each on their own and i respect people choices.
Man, you guys are hating up a storm on vegans lol :P Calling us idiots and such...
Sea Walnut what in the world?!?! This is not true at all, the reason they are called essential amino acids is because they are the only amino acids your body cannot synthesize.
Plant amino acids are more readily available and have easier assimilation by the body than those found in meats. Meat is putrefactive and exactly how it digests... it rots. The colon cancer cases you see in heavy red meat eaters... Ever stop and wonder why meat is covered in bacteria like e. Coli, Samonella and other gnarly bacteria? I guarantee when you cut open the rest of their intestinal tract it isn't any prettier.
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Thanks for the links, Bud. Sorry to impose on you. As hunter-gatherers humans were omnivorous. It seems the logical way to go, but at my age a little meat goes a long way. Wouldn't want to go a day without fruit, however. It seems to suffice for my breakfast. And I get along very well without fast food and soft drinks--probably harming society more than fruit!
I ate vegan for a couple years and I’m glad for the experience. It exposed me to many more veggies than I had previously been in the habit of eating.
One of the main things I remember is frequently being hungry and/or thinking a lot about what I wanted to eat next LOL
But similar to what John is saying, I eventually came to the decision that a well-rounded diet including sensible amounts of clean, natural animal products was right for me.
I also learned that it’s foolish to try to foist my diet onto everyone else and/or act like I have it figured out. Bodies and their needs are different.
I encourage folks to experiment and find a diet that works for them. About the only things I see as near-absolute dangers are excessive sugar and processed foods (including mega-processed vegan foods).
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Jabba The Hutt....... You lived in freezing ass Lockport NY and now you are in prime mango growing Florida territory. It is imposible to be a vegan in Lockport but Florida maybe. I love the vitamin D intake when I go outside here in FL. Wearing a t-shirt or not, the sun making vitamin D for us all is something else. And we all know vitamin D is very anti-Covid virus.
Unfortunately - all vegans hit the wall. Eventually. My advice to them is that when they cave, eat white meat fish like cod and flounder. Or any kind of fish. Become a pescatarian for a while, while you figure out what to do next.
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The forum its not about trolling fruits but about being aware of the legacy you can leave to your family future generations by planting a lot of fruit trees( orchards).
Ok, you've made your point. And you have no experience or interest in tropical fruit growing, and nothing constructive to add to this forum. You've told us what we do is actually bad for society. So could you please just move on now.
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For those wondering, problem with veganism is that you dont get the proper nutrients your body needs. its scientifically proven that your intelligence drops if you go vegan. You literally become an idiot. Thats just one of the downsides. It is indeed healthier to eat less meat and more plant products, but not 100% plant products. For example i'm mostly vegetarian, I eat mostly plant based meals. Most commonly rice and beans. But I still eat things such as eggs and certain dairy. And occasionally certain kinds of meats.
Hopefully you get it now.
I'd also like to see the scientific literature that 'proves' this.
You and the other guy want me to go look for the evidence? I'm not your free encyclopedia, you can go find it yourself. This isnt some facebook conspiracy. Just search it up and a number of articles will pop up.
Plus its kind of common sense.... I don't think I need to explain why it is.
HAHAHA
I love how people just want to spout off whatever they think and feel and claim it as truth but then don't want to back it up with any evidence, like it's someone elses responsibility to prove what they said. Such a stupid phenomenon going on. Is it really ridiculous to support your statements? Easy answer, no.
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I love the vitamin D intake when I go outside here in FL. Wearing a t-shirt or not, the sun making vitamin D for us all is something else. And we all know vitamin D is very anti-Covid virus.
A small Readers Digest article this month expounds on the benefits of going outside into the Sunshine for acquiring Vitamin D and perhaps other substances also produced by the skin while in sunlight to help: Lower Blood Pressue increasing nitric oxide levels, lower Heart Disease, lower Stroke and over all Live longer. Per Dermatologist Richard Weller University of Edinburgh :::Found the same article reprinted on line::: https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Readers-Digest-US/Do-We-Really-Need-Sun-Protection (https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Readers-Digest-US/Do-We-Really-Need-Sun-Protection)
Article says a large study of people only taking Vitamin D without sun exposure failed to show these benefits.
Pretty funny, I believe it says something like if someone comes in with a basal cell carcinoma he usually tells them congratulations this is easy to cut off and the odds are you will live longer since you go into the sunshine often... lol... My dermatologist did not tell me that...lol. Interesting point of view and I hope Dr. Weller is correct....
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Wow, what an immense shitstorm of contradictions and imamturity this has become. I personally find it quite funny that such things can happen from mere words on a screen.
Listen to what you what to listen do, its not my problem what you choose to do, but learn to take a little criticism and factual evidence. For example, just because some guy said that going vegan is going to save animal lives lied to you. Everything you eat will always come with a death toll for something other than a plant. If you are doing it because you believe its healthier that's also incorrect, but again i' m not going to tell you how to live your lives.
Now then, this is enough negativity for me, have a good day everyone.
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Jabba the hut,plants dont have the ,,essential aminoacids,, .
These are found only in animal byproducts and in bacteria and algae.
Algae are not plants for the matter .
And talking about bad rotting smells ,the bad smell that comes from rotting meat ,its due to the essential aminoacids being turned into amines.
These amines are bad smelling substances with names like cadaverine,putrescine,etc.
Plant matter doesnt smells bad when it rots due to the fact that it doesnt contains these essential aminoacids.
This is just to inform you not to tell you or vegans what aminoacids you should eat .Its science and organic chemistry.
If you want to take essential aminoacids you can get them from algae but algae are not plants ,they are protists so its not vegan and when it rotts it smells exactly like meat.
As i said,i have raw vegans friends that eat only raw plants and i respect them even thogh i eat meat every day .
I dont open the can of worms about B12 vitamin thats not found in plants and how vegans will get to take it as injectable solution after a few years of being vegan.
Forum is about fruit turned to alcohol wich kills a quarter of the population of a country.
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Professional Gaslighting! Thanks for shitstorming and walking away. Actually your facts are incorrect. Your lack of factual evidence , complete. Your reason for being a kook, unknown. My desire to argue with crazy people that are close minded and always right, zero.
Wow, what an immense shitstorm of contradictions and imamturity this has become. I personally find it quite funny that such things can happen from mere words on a screen.
Listen to what you what to listen do, its not my problem what you choose to do, but learn to take a little criticism and factual evidence. For example, just because some guy said that going vegan is going to save animal lives lied to you. Everything you eat will always come with a death toll for something other than a plant. If you are doing it because you believe its healthier that's also incorrect, but again i' m not going to tell you how to live your lives.
Now then, this is enough negativity for me, have a good day everyone.
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I haven't had a glass of my homemade wine in over 3 months... But I'm rapidly getting into a silly mood desirous of more silliness. By the way, I've eaten A LOT Of FRUIT TODAY.... Soooo let's see the Topic... AAAH::: Too much fruit harms society ?.............. Sure It's the Fruit's Fault.... lol.... It's the perfect reply for SeaWalnut....
Fructose from fruits its almost equal with alcohol and it damages the liver same way as alcohol.
If you feed a human or a kid mainly on sweet fruits it will get cirrhosis similar to cirrhosis from alcohol.
Fructose needs to be breaked down by the liver just like alcohol and we can only process 60 grams of fructose a day.
Eating a lot of sweet fruits can be as harmfull as drinking alcohol.
Its just science and if you do a basic google search about fructose ,youl see im right.
Sugar from supermarket bag its more healthy than fructose from fruit but we dont eat fruits especially for the fructose only.
If i fed my bees fructose they have a 9 days lifespan while from eating crystal sugar from a bag they can live up to 2 months.
At least if we grow fruits that in excess can damage the liver same way as alcohol,then alcohol i think its a better option .
The forum its not about trolling fruits but about being aware of the legacy you can leave to your family future generations by planting a lot of fruit trees( orchards).
Ok SeaWalnut, I'm bored so I'll type... Just a little.
Moderation in everything we eat and do is best... Too much of almost anything will harm even kill us. Too much oxygen in too high concentration and we will eventually become blind & die. Ingesting too much water (pure water with no minerals) and we will die if not supplementing lost minerals by also eating etc.
Many many ways to die with excess of many many things.... Your reference to fructose in fruits is another example of excess that most people who are not diabetics will never experience who eat in moderation a balanced diet. Why you chose this excess indulgence... I have no idea except to chat & debate relatively insignificant minute topics....
Here's a simple common view from most which recommends moderation in ingesting fruits & don't worry about liver damage if not over indulging ::: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-fruit-good-or-bad-for-your-health (https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-fruit-good-or-bad-for-your-health)
Concerning death: I was born dying and I was born living, eventually death will prevail regardless of trying to eat perfect if such a thing exists. Enjoy the living and don't fear the dying. ;)
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I have bottles of wine from 3 years ago when I am invited somewhere I walk with a bottle or two to share. Anybody want to invite me to dinner?
I hear the large tub beginning to boil... Yep, your gonna make one cannibal Very Happy....
Just kidding. But, since you dive, I like to invite people to go with me.... I'm always looking for something fresh for trolling.... Just kidding again... lol...
I haven't had a glass of my homemade wine in over 3 months... But I'm rapidly getting into a silly mood desirous of more silliness. By the way, I've eaten A LOT Of FRUIT TODAY.... Soooo let's see the Topic... AAAH::: Too much fruit harms society ?.............. Sure It's the Fruit's Fault.... lol.... It's the perfect reply for SeaWalnut....
Fructose from fruits its almost equal with alcohol and it damages the liver same way as alcohol.
If you feed a human or a kid mainly on sweet fruits it will get cirrhosis similar to cirrhosis from alcohol.
Fructose needs to be breaked down by the liver just like alcohol and we can only process 60 grams of fructose a day.
Eating a lot of sweet fruits can be as harmfull as drinking alcohol.
Its just science and if you do a basic google search about fructose ,youl see im right.
Sugar from supermarket bag its more healthy than fructose from fruit but we dont eat fruits especially for the fructose only.
If i fed my bees fructose they have a 9 days lifespan while from eating crystal sugar from a bag they can live up to 2 months.
At least if we grow fruits that in excess can damage the liver same way as alcohol,then alcohol i think its a better option .
The forum its not about trolling fruits but about being aware of the legacy you can leave to your family future generations by planting a lot of fruit trees( orchards).
Sea Walnut, you must've gone to the Stalin Institute of Science...
This is among the biggest piles of bullcrap I have ever seen.
Fructose is damaging to the body?!
Our cells run on Carbon not Nitrogen(Protein), they literally need sugar mixed with oxygen to produce Adenosine Triphosphate (ATP) which is what our cells use as energy. The simplest of sugars happens to be Fructose, not a processed disaccharide such as table sugar. How in the world would that ever be healthier for anything?
Even Glucose (vegetable sugar) is an inferior sugar as it needs insulin to carry it across the cell membrane wall to be able to produce energy. The simpler the sugar the easier the body can produce energy, the less metabolic strain is placed on cells.
Jabba The Hutt....... You lived in freezing ass Lockport NY and now you are in prime mango growing Florida territory. It is imposible to be a vegan in Lockport but Florida maybe. I love the vitamin D intake when I go outside here in FL. Wearing a t-shirt or not, the sun making vitamin D for us all is something else. And we all know vitamin D is very anti-Covid virus.
Unfortunately - all vegans hit the wall. Eventually. My advice to them is that when they cave, eat white meat fish like cod and flounder. Or any kind of fish. Become a pescatarian for a while, while you figure out what to do next.
Zands, I was addicted to food more than anyone I have ever talked to. Even if I still lived in NY, cold weather would never make me put another piece of meat in my mouth nor another dairy product... those foods literally were killing me. I have no desire to kill myself with foods I don't need just to make everybody else who is addicted to meats and dairy (usually cheese) feel better about it.
If everybody thinks they will die from not eating meat 3 times a day I don't know what to tell those people other than I reverse my health problems eating the way I do. All I ever hear is crying about all the have health issues that are "irreversible" from anybody eating a Standard American Diet so I'll stick with what I know to be true.
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No living organism can use fructose on its own.
All life forms work on glucose.
Just google wikipedia or something about this and you will learn more.
Also google about the essential aminocids as those are in particular avoided( hated) by vegans.
You will learn more about nutrition.
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Jabba the hut,plants dont have the ,,essential aminoacids,, .
These are found only in animal byproducts and in bacteria and algae.
Algae are not plants for the matter .
And talking about bad rotting smells ,the bad smell that comes from rotting meat ,its due to the essential aminoacids being turned into amines.
These amines are bad smelling substances with names like cadaverine,putrescine,etc.
Plant matter doesnt smells bad when it rots due to the fact that it doesnt contains these essential aminoacids.
This is just to inform you not to tell you or vegans what aminoacids you should eat .Its science and organic chemistry.
If you want to take essential aminoacids you can get them from algae but algae are not plants ,they are protists so its not vegan and when it rotts it smells exactly like meat.
As i said,i have raw vegans friends that eat only raw plants and i respect them even thogh i eat meat every day .
I dont open the can of worms about B12 vitamin thats not found in plants and how vegans will get to take it as injectable solution after a few years of being vegan.
Forum is about fruit turned to alcohol wich kills a quarter of the population of a country.
Ok, but what breaks the meat down in the first place to produce these chemical reactions? Bacterium. Anaerobic bacterium like e. Coli, Samonella, b. Proteus, Staph. Of course most of these bacteria can also survive and switch to aerobic but the point is the same. Fruit goes through fermentation and doesn't bring in the gnarly bacteria you see in rotten putrefactive environments like dead flesh. You see more fungal breakdown like molds in fruit.
While we are speaking of microorganisms, guess what B12 is produced by? Bacteria! Gut bacteria can synthesize B12 even though it is mostly in the colon which still has an immense amount of absorption capability if we'd only stop impacting it with fecal matter from putrefactive sources in the first place. So outside of synthesizing you have soil microbes that also produce B12 but most people are too overly concerned with "hygiene" and kill their source of natural B12 on their foods. Not to mention all the Roundup and other chemicals sprayed in our soils that don't allow proper soil microbial symbiosis to occur in the first place. Why don't we just blame it all on the fruit?! ::)
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No living organism can use fructose on its own.
All life forms work on glucose.
Just google wikipedia or something about this and you will learn more.
Also google about the essential aminocids as those are in particular avoided( hated) by vegans.
You will learn more about nutrition.
I understand the Krebs cycle... from A&P classes for premed. I don't need ComradeWalnut's google search tips... I might go crazy and end up cutting down all my trees since you know, fruit is bad for you!
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Jabba the hut,plants dont have the ,,essential aminoacids,, .
These are found only in animal byproducts and in bacteria and algae.
Algae are not plants for the matter .
And talking about bad rotting smells ,the bad smell that comes from rotting meat ,its due to the essential aminoacids being turned into amines.
These amines are bad smelling substances with names like cadaverine,putrescine,etc.
Plant matter doesnt smells bad when it rots due to the fact that it doesnt contains these essential aminoacids.
This is just to inform you not to tell you or vegans what aminoacids you should eat .Its science and organic chemistry.
If you want to take essential aminoacids you can get them from algae but algae are not plants ,they are protists so its not vegan and when it rotts it smells exactly like meat.
As i said,i have raw vegans friends that eat only raw plants and i respect them even thogh i eat meat every day .
I dont open the can of worms about B12 vitamin thats not found in plants and how vegans will get to take it as injectable solution after a few years of being vegan.
Forum is about fruit turned to alcohol wich kills a quarter of the population of a country.
Ok, but what breaks the meat down in the first place to produce these chemical reactions? Bacterium. Anaerobic bacterium like e. Coli, Samonella, b. Proteus, Staph. Of course most of these bacteria can also survive and switch to aerobic but the point is the same. Fruit goes through fermentation and doesn't bring in the gnarly bacteria you see in rotten putrefactive environments like dead flesh. You see more fungal breakdown like molds in fruit.
While we are speaking of microorganisms, guess what B12 is produced by? Bacteria! Gut bacteria can synthesize B12 even though it is mostly in the colon which still has an immense amount of absorption capability if we'd only stop impacting it with fecal matter from putrefactive sources in the first place. So outside of synthesizing you have soil microbes that also produce B12 but most people are too overly concerned with "hygiene" and kill their source of natural B12 on their foods. Not to mention all the Roundup and other chemicals sprayed in our soils that don't allow proper soil microbial symbiosis to occur in the first place. Why don't we just blame it all on the fruit?! ::)
Jabba you are arguing with someone that says plants don’t have amino acids. You can obtain all your amino acids from plants. Cholesterol is the deficiency in plants.. I’m not a vegan but it really can’t be disputed that plants are good for overall health. You only need to look at the overall health of America to acknowledge how wrong the recommended diet has been.
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Jabba the hut,plants dont have the ,,essential aminoacids,, .
These are found only in animal byproducts and in bacteria and algae.
Algae are not plants for the matter .
And talking about bad rotting smells ,the bad smell that comes from rotting meat ,its due to the essential aminoacids being turned into amines.
These amines are bad smelling substances with names like cadaverine,putrescine,etc.
Plant matter doesnt smells bad when it rots due to the fact that it doesnt contains these essential aminoacids.
This is just to inform you not to tell you or vegans what aminoacids you should eat .Its science and organic chemistry.
If you want to take essential aminoacids you can get them from algae but algae are not plants ,they are protists so its not vegan and when it rotts it smells exactly like meat.
As i said,i have raw vegans friends that eat only raw plants and i respect them even thogh i eat meat every day .
I dont open the can of worms about B12 vitamin thats not found in plants and how vegans will get to take it as injectable solution after a few years of being vegan.
Forum is about fruit turned to alcohol wich kills a quarter of the population of a country.
Ok, but what breaks the meat down in the first place to produce these chemical reactions? Bacterium. Anaerobic bacterium like e. Coli, Samonella, b. Proteus, Staph. Of course most of these bacteria can also survive and switch to aerobic but the point is the same. Fruit goes through fermentation and doesn't bring in the gnarly bacteria you see in rotten putrefactive environments like dead flesh. You see more fungal breakdown like molds in fruit.
While we are speaking of microorganisms, guess what B12 is produced by? Bacteria! Gut bacteria can synthesize B12 even though it is mostly in the colon which still has an immense amount of absorption capability if we'd only stop impacting it with fecal matter from putrefactive sources in the first place. So outside of synthesizing you have soil microbes that also produce B12 but most people are too overly concerned with "hygiene" and kill their source of natural B12 on their foods. Not to mention all the Roundup and other chemicals sprayed in our soils that don't allow proper soil microbial symbiosis to occur in the first place. Why don't we just blame it all on the fruit?! ::)
Jabba you are arguing with someone that says plants don’t have amino acids. You can obtain all your amino acids from plants. Cholesterol is the deficiency in plants.. I’m not a vegan but it really can’t be disputed that plants are good for overall health. You only need to look at the overall health of America to acknowledge how wrong the recommended diet has been.
I don't understand where he is coming up with this craziness... talk about fake propaganda! It has to be purposeful, there is no way you can really think some of these things.
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Im not saying that plants dont have aminoacids.They have aminoacids but they dont have the ,,essential aminoacids,,.
Proteins break down to aminoacids,aminoacids break down to amines ( bad smelling substances) and from there you go on with the Nitrogen cycle where ultimately the Nitrogen goes back to the atmosphere as it is a gas.
Plant proteins contain all the otther aminoacids except the so called essential aminoacids.
Not all aminoacids are called essential.
By eating bio plants ,not treated ,they contain yeasts and the worms inside the fruits wich are a source of essential aminoacids (and B12 vitamin).
But a vegan that eats only ,,clean,, fruits with no worms,no yeasts,etc, will be lacking B12 and essential aminoacids.
Its one thing to be a vegan in India and eat algae like Spirulina( its not a plant) and organic grown fruit infested
with worms ,and a totally different than be a vegan in Europe and eat only supermarket fruits .
Read more about nutrition in case you want to school otthers about it.Start with essential aminoacids,fructose ,or else i dont see a difference between a vegan or a priest/ pastor wich thinks ,,sea fruits,, are actually plants :D ( im mad on these guys because they steal all the lobsters and shrimps when their fasting come).
Nobody said fruits are bad just im adressing to growers with big lands that can grow a lot more than what they can consume then if fruit is in excess they can make a lot of alcohol from it wich can potentially affect theemselves and their family.
I plant houndreds fruit trees and grow tropical fruit trees in the greenhouse,3 types of guava,feijoa,madras thorn,a few citrus ,cherimoya,garcinia,etc.
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Im not saying that plants dont have aminoacids.They have aminoacids but they dont have the ,,essential aminoacids,,.
Proteins break down to aminoacids,aminoacids break down to amines ( bad smelling substances) and from there you go on with the Nitrogen cycle where ultimately the Nitrogen goes back to the atmosphere as it is a gas.
Plant proteins contain all the otther aminoacids except the so called essential aminoacids.
Not all aminoacids are called essential.
By eating bio plants ,not treated ,they contain yeasts and the worms inside the fruits wich are a source of essential aminoacids (and B12 vitamin).
But a vegan that eats only ,,clean,, fruits with no worms,no yeasts,etc, will be lacking B12 and essential aminoacids.
Its one thing to be a vegan in India and eat algae like Spirulina( its not a plant) and organic grown fruit infested
with worms ,and a totally different than be a vegan in Europe and eat only supermarket fruits .
Read more about nutrition in case you want to school otthers about it.Start with essential aminoacids,fructose ,or else i dont see a difference between a vegan or a priest/ pastor wich thinks ,,sea fruits,, are actually plants :D ( im mad on these guys because they steal all the lobsters and shrimps when their fasting come).
Nobody said fruits are bad just im adressing to growers with big lands that can grow a lot more than what they can consume then if fruit is in excess they can make a lot of alcohol from it wich can potentially affect theemselves and their family.
I plant houndreds fruit trees and grow tropical fruit trees in the greenhouse,3 types of guava,feijoa,madras thorn,a few citrus ,cherimoya,garcinia,etc.
Plants contain all essential amino acids. Most aren’t complete so you have to combine sources, but some contain all of them.
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Not taking sides here, but i was not aware previously of the assertion that the body synthesizes its own B12.
So, I googled "does the body synthesize B12" and the first 2 results, from WebMD and Wikipedia, say that B12 must come from animal sources or supplements (or dirt, i agree!) because while it IS synthesized in the colon by flora it is not accessible to the body.
I'm NOT saying this to try to destroy veganism. It was simply an academic exercise.
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This thread, lol...
Because I love ya'll, will share this:
Eating less meat and animal product as one ages is associated with many health benefits.
Based upon what I've read, my goal is to have less than 10% of my dietary intake come from meat or animal protein.
As one gets close to 50 years of age, more meat intake is associated with increased risk of health problems, including heart disease and cancer. While these risks already exist, they amp up on the older person.
Our metabolisms and needs change with age.
Eliminating processed foods, and especially processed meats, is part of the plan as well.
Eating natural, fresh, and minimally processed, with no or limited artificial ingredients or preservatives, is probably a good idea.
...and regarding "too much fruit harms society ?" what I have to say is this: Fruit is a powerful thing. It should be treated with respect. So much is wasted. It is a poorly managed resource that could benefit the world much more.
I don't know anyone with problems related to eating too much fruit. Just haven't run across them yet. Most people don't eat much fruit anyway.
Don't forget diverse veggies!
Anything can be overdone. Eat too many carrots and you might orange up, drink too much water and your brain swells, eat too much meat and get the gout and eventually maybe heart disease or cancer.
Balance
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Balance
That’s where I’m at on it
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This thread, lol...
Because I love ya'll, will share this:
Eating less meat and animal product as one ages is associated with many health benefits.
Based upon what I've read, my goal is to have less than 10% of my dietary intake come from meat or animal protein.
As one gets close to 50 years of age, more meat intake is associated with increased risk of health problems, including heart disease and cancer. While these risks already exist, they amp up on the older person.
Our metabolisms and needs change with age.
Eliminating processed foods, and especially processed meats, is part of the plan as well.
Eating natural, fresh, and minimally processed, with no or limited artificial ingredients or preservatives, is probably a good idea.
...and regarding "too much fruit harms society ?" what I have to say is this: Fruit is a powerful thing. It should be treated with respect. So much is wasted. It is a poorly managed resource that could benefit the world much more.
I don't know anyone with problems related to eating too much fruit. Just haven't run across them yet. Most people don't eat much fruit anyway.
Don't forget diverse veggies!
Anything can be overdone. Eat too many carrots and you might orange up, drink too much water and your brain swells, eat too much meat and get the gout and eventually maybe heart disease or cancer.
Balance
Balance is absolutely key in everything. However, having said that there is no age that meat starts becoming more detrimental to health, you simply see the effects faster because your cells are more degenerated. Same effect by the same cause, because you don't notice the ill effects younger doesnt make it any less unhealthy. I just find it amusing when people say something has a certain age it starts becoming unhealthy... that is arbitrary.
You were even mentioning eating too much meat can lead to gout, heart disease, and cancer right? Well these processes don't fly out of the air overnight, it is cause and effect over a long period of time, not once you hit a certain age. You eat the meat and it damages cells or causes acidosis, you don't notice this until you see the symptoms, doesn't mean it was healthier because you were younger and symptoms didn't present themselves yet!
Just trying to get people thinking about cause and effect of everything...