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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Wanted: yuzu
« on: August 20, 2017, 04:57:13 AM »
I have a Four Winds Yuzu.  it's been about 4 years since I purchased it from OSH.  it has a cluster of fruits ripen at the moment.  I recall the fruits usually turned yellow in the winter.  not sure why it's different this year.  I am concern with the deadly HLB virus in California and I am not sure on the policy regarding scion distribution. 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal 2017 mango season
« on: August 19, 2017, 10:00:58 PM »
Thanks Frank.  Base on your list I have only seen Kesar at my favorite nursery.  I am going to checkout Champa.  They always seem to have large mango selections.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: August 19, 2017, 02:18:28 AM »


Does anyone have a guess as to what colored flesh I will get from this DF plant? I first posted about this plant when I first received it from a online nursery that claimed they were selling me the selenecerious megalanhus variety which I was told by members here that I was not given the correct plant. Since then it has grown and the first picture shows growth from last year and the second picture shows this year's growth. The last picture shows the originally growth when I receive it and you can see how small the original growth is compared to last year and current year's growth which is about 3-4 inches in diameter. I noticed that the ridges are more straight than my purple haze, S8, physical graffiti and NOID red variety.
Does anyone have a guess as to what colored flesh this one would be? And I wonder why the new growth is bigger in diameter than the original growth when I receive it.

It's common new growths can be smaller or larger then the original cutting.  If you had planted it in shade against a wall I guarantee the new growths will be small.  New growths will have aerial roots cling onto the wall and climb.  They will conserve energy by growing narrowly try to climb out of shade into light.  Conversely if someone sold you a cutting that lack exposure to light it would be narrower.  But if you treat it well, build a nice trellis for it to climb and give it plenty of sun, new growths will grow larger.

Its difficult to identify flesh color by the stem.  It's definitely not a S. Megalanthus.  Whatever it is I hope it produces great tasting fruits which in my opinion is more important then color  :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal 2017 mango season
« on: August 18, 2017, 09:47:50 PM »
Fruits of top 10 mangoes in US are not sold in the markets, so that is one reason to grow.
Best mangoes are not always commercially viable, hence backyards thrive.
Its a gardeners satisfaction.

Dont grow manila or ataulfo, or kent, or keitt, or Hayden. these are easy to buy from open markets, grow sweet tart, peach cobbler, etc. that you will never get to even taste it, unless you are close to Zills and you can buy directly.

Thank you Behl.  I've read up on some of the mango threads.  I am going to look for a sweet tart.  Ultimately I would like a cocktail mango tree  ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: August 18, 2017, 03:58:38 PM »
Does it take 30 days from bud to bloom and then another 30-35 days from bloom to ripened fruit ?
Approximately 14 days from bud to bloom, and then 30-35 days to fruit picking! A few varieties take longer to ripen but only a few.


Thanks! I was curious cause I finally have a bud that doesn't seem like t would turn back to a stem like my first flush of buds did. And it's been 6 days since I first noticed the bud and the growth seem to have slowed down these past few days so I was getting worried. I hope the growth is not stunted. Glad to know it take at least 14 days from bud to bloom. Thank you.

...hmmm... my bud grew a bit today. I guess I worried way too early. Probably the gloomy weather during the last few days may have slowed the growth a bit. Now that the sun is back out, it seems much happier now.

From my experience it takes about 30 days from first sighting of bud to full bloomed flower.  If the bud doesnt stick for whatever reason it usually turn yellow in the first couple of weeks. 

They also grow at snail pace if you stare at it often  :o

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal 2017 mango season
« on: August 18, 2017, 03:24:35 AM »
Pardon me for my newbie question.  I love mangoes and I buy often from the markets.  Their cost is always pretty reasonable to cheap.  I have not given any thoughts on growing it for this reason. 

Is home grown mangoes that much better then store bought?  What other good reasons I should consider adding a mango tree to my backyard?

Thanks

Wayne

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: August 17, 2017, 06:58:29 PM »

Thank you for the info :) cold doesn't bother it here (though I think we have less than there) but it doesn't like direct sun too much. Doesn't kill ithem but they turn light green/yellow as in the pic. In the shade they stay a dark green.

This year we had constant mid 90 weather with full blast of sun ray.  It was turning yellow so I moved it next to a tall tree.  It gets about 6 hours of daily full sun.  It's looking much better now.  It's a huge advantage I grow it in container so I can easy move It around.  Last season another plant got torched by the sun.  It probably could have lived cuz the center of the trunk wasn't damaged.  The sides were burned.  I was dealing with fungus issues and I got rid of all of my unhealthy dragon fruits.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Na Dai Sugar Apple
« on: August 16, 2017, 11:46:43 PM »

If the winter kills the tree the rootstock may survive and put out a new tree. If the rootstock is cherimoya then you will
have a generic cherimoya, I live in 9b in Florida, what I did was plant 4 seedling Na Dai plugs I bought. I put them in a
3 gallon and they grew nicely the first year and I bumped them into 7 gallon pot and then a 15 gallon pot. They flowered the
first year without fruit set. The winter was mild we had one night that was 37F with a strong wind chill probably around 32F,
I didn't protect the pots and they were fine. The trees were pushing 5 feet, in the spring I put 2 in the ground on the south side
of my house in the most protected spot. Later I planted the other 2 on the south side but not next to the house, Now the trees are
6'-8' and 3 out of 4 are full of fruit. If we have cold weather I mulch heavy and I would water heavy on the cold nights.
If my trees die back the rootstock is still Na Dai and hopefully will grow back. This is an experiment but I can't see the
advantage of planting a grafted sugar apple as apposed to a seedling? My understanding is that a tree grown from a seed
has a better root structure and is more cold tolerant. My sugar apples are full of fruit in 2 years and are pushing 8'. I have seeds
now if you want to try growing one from seed and see?  If you want seeds PM me.

I am actually growing a sugar apple from seed.  My brother in-law collected 2 seeds from a delicious sugar apple he ate while visiting Vietnam.  Both seeds germinated and he gave me one of the trees.  It's about a year old and nearly 2 feet tall.  His is actually 3x the size.  Hence he gave me the smaller tree.  I'll be damn if my tree end up producing better tasting fruits  ;D.  Meanwhile I will keep it in container and protect it when winter here.  I thought it takes 5 years plus for sugar apple seedling to bear fruit.  Now I am thinking perhaps I should install a small greenhouse to speed up the process.  Cuz my jackfruit tree also suffer from poor California weather.  It grew only like 2 inches thus far this year.  My tropical plants will love me  :)




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID this plant
« on: August 16, 2017, 10:36:17 PM »
According to this website it matches a Florida native Bigflower pawpaw.

http://www.floridasnature.com/natives8.html

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Na Dai Sugar Apple
« on: August 16, 2017, 08:54:16 PM »
From what I heard from a nursery owner in Southern California,  na dai won't survive there. He said he's selling them because there's a big demand for them here. But he won't recommend them to me.


Can suga apple such as na Dao or big red grow in Southern California without grafting on a root stoke? Can they survive Southern California winter?

What was the nursery owner's reasoning for saying it wouldn't survive in SoCal?

I had the same experience.  I have purchased several fruit trees from this nursery including El Bumpo, Booth cherimoya, and ilama, so there was no reason to doubt him.  His concern is the tree may not survive the winter without a greenhouse protection.  I think a mature sugar apple can survive Southern Cali weather.  I have 2 other atemoyas.  I will be looking for Na Dai scion  :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: August 16, 2017, 08:36:35 PM »
PI reading what you have said above I now have concerns about my "yellow" dragon fruit. I got these from a friend who I am sure said they were yellows (he gave me red as well). I looked up pics and see what you mean though. Bugger.



This one looks like a S. Megalanthus 'yellow' variety.  It match the descriptions Rob mentioned above. 

I have been growing this variety for about 3 years.  It's been very challenging, it doesn't like too cold or too much direct sun.  I had 2 died in the winter and one got torched in the summer.  I have taken cuttings from the previous plant and growing in containers.  It wasn't even cold this past winter but it nearly die too.  The one in ground was much healthier and stronger died.  I think by relocating the container next to a south facing wall saved this plant.  Hopefully it will bloom next year.

I think Frankie's Red is a better alternative to S. Megalanthus.  I heard it only take 45 days to ripen the fruit instead of months opposed to the Megalanthus.  They both will need protection from heat and chill.  There is a lot of hype on the yellow.  Given the fact that's hard to grow and months to produce a tiny fruit from flower, IMO Sugar Dragon is probably the best alternative. 







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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: August 16, 2017, 07:57:55 PM »
Does it take 30 days from bud to bloom and then another 30-35 days from bloom to ripened fruit ?

From what I know 35 days to 6 month to ripen the fruits.  I harvested my white varieties and S8 around 40 days.  Connie Mayer and Bruni fully ripe in 60 days but best harvest in 45.  Megalanthus take about six months to ripe.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please help identify type of Atemoya
« on: August 13, 2017, 11:53:18 PM »





Yah.  They look similar to mine.  Chewy texture, sweet with some acidic. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what kind of annon is this rollina?
« on: August 12, 2017, 10:35:32 PM »
It's a beautiful looking fruit.  I've never seen it here in California.  I ate a soursop in NY.  The fruit stand mechant said it was from Florida.  It was too slimy for my taste.  Cherimoya and atemoya are my choice.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: August 10, 2017, 10:06:58 PM »
Yeah, S8 I gave it to a friend who doesn't garden. I go water their plants twice a year and they still get 5 fruits.

Haha Fang.  Your magic touch.  I need you to come water my plants ;)

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Please list your top 5 annonas...

So far just Rob and Mike answered the question of this topic  ;D, and I think it would be very interesting to know the top 5 (7, 10...) for all of you!  :D

This maybe a a helpful reference.  you can also look at the top varieties from past years.  keep in mind they dont have all of the varieties.  also some varieties ripe sooner then others.  therefore the taste may not reflect their peak flavors at this event. 

http://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=14817

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Freezing and then thawing pollen
« on: August 10, 2017, 06:19:22 PM »
Hi,

I know Rob posted about how he freezes pollen. I employed his method and have some pollen in storage now. Thanks for the tips! Question on thawing the pollen (for Rob or anyone else that has done this successfully). Do you find you can remove pollen from freezer, use some, and then put the previously collected pollen back in the freezer again? I read some pollen can't live through multiple freeze cycles. So I'm wondering if I should freeze in small batches and use whatever I take out fully. Also, do you actually let it thaw at room temperature, or do you take it straight out of the freezer and hand pollinate? I have only stored pollen in the fridge, I didn't dry at all, and had success if using it 1-2 days later. Thanks!

I am experimenting with freeze pollens.  I suspect it wont work well once it's thawed.  I froze them in small batches. I've not use it yet.  my first opportunity will be in 2 weeks when i get some flowers from a self-sterile variety.

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this is somewhat subjective.  some preferred cherimoya and others swear by atemoya.  even within each category some are sweet and some have chewy textures.  if you are pondering which to grow I suggest you should try the fruits first.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Purple Flower Dragon Fruit
« on: August 09, 2017, 06:15:09 PM »
Most dragon fruit flowers open around 8pm that I have encountered. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Purple Flower Dragon Fruit
« on: August 09, 2017, 05:12:23 PM »


Nice fruit.

My Bruni should bloom in the next 3-4 days.  It's a sister of Connie Mayer.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee problem - please help
« on: August 09, 2017, 03:09:06 PM »
- the leaves that were forming looked mostly healthy, some minor wind damage but not terrible. the dried tiny leaves looked to be at the end of a flush and i see that at the end of every growth cycle on my lychees.

- old hardened leaves in all the later pictures are browning. I suspect it is fertilizer burn or solute buildup. Were you flushing the soil regularly?

- what are those lack dots in the early pictures? i don't see them in the later pictures. i don't recall fungus being a major issue for lychees


In picture 4, the lychee is putting out some very nice new growths, which makes me think that it is getting enough water, it isn't too hot, and there is only mild wind. The old leaves getting burned like that looks like fertilizer burn. The tree also might have died back due to being repotted.

keep it watered, flush it out regularly. lychees don't mind wet feet, so adding a wick is optional.

also, do you have access to pine bark fines (or PB mulch?). I think you should consider making your own soil mix since it allow your plants to grow better (and its cheaper). You've got a lot of containers!

thank andrew. 

I've not flush regularly due to fear of root rot.  but I will try to flush it once in a while.  I've heard of lychee need to be wind protected so I had placed it in the least winded spot, next to a 20 feet height neighbor's fence. 

I stopped using fertilizer or chemical spray since the first flush died back.  the 2nd flush came out better (pic #4) then everything went south. 

I got few large bags of pine mulch from a neighbor who chopped their tree.  but probably not enough to start mixing my own soil.  I heard good things about Pro Mix so I will use it until I find something better and cheaper  :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee problem - please help
« on: August 09, 2017, 11:35:43 AM »














Top 4 images are from the 2nd flush.  Look closely at images 2 and 3 you will notice the new growths appeared torched.  Also leaves do not flatten out like a healthy lychee would. 

Images 4 and 5 show the crape myrtle tree in the background. 

Images 5-7 taken this morning. 

I did a deep flush this morning and moved it out of shade.  It should see about 6 hours of sun light.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee problem - please help
« on: August 09, 2017, 10:21:55 AM »


What kind of tree is it under?

I think it's a crape myrtle tree. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee problem - please help
« on: August 09, 2017, 03:18:11 AM »
I used pro mix with mycorrhizae.  Got it from Lowes. 
I killed one of my container atemoya couple years ago from overwatering.  So I am a bit timid of giving too much water.  I water my container avocados twice daily cuz if I don't they would be piss (leaves curling down).  But this lychee doesn't have much leaves left and I cannot tell of any indication it demands more water.  Right now it's sitting under a large tree.  Completely shielded from wind and direct sun lights.  I have a layer of pine mulch on top and the soil feels moist underneath.  I will try to increase watering daily. 
I collected some rain water early in the year.  They didn't last 2 weeks once the sun came out  8) .  It's a challenge to find rain water this time of the year. 

I have some liquid kelp and Dyna Gro foliage fertilizer.  Should I use it or wait  til I see new growth?  Also should it be in full shade or give it some sun light?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee problem - please help
« on: August 08, 2017, 11:46:15 PM »
Are you still giving the lychee fish fertilizer?


Yes.  I fed all of my trees with liquid fish weekly in spring.  I dont think I over did it.  I mixed 2 tbsp per gal of water and I water like 3 plants per gal.  all of my trees are looking healthier than ever except for this one.

do you have other lychee tree in container?  if so they are healthy?

No other lychee.  I did not think it was possible to grow in my area.  I heard nothing but negative experiences from friends who attempted to grow lychee.  Until last Summer I attended a Home and Garden show.  There I consulted with the experts of container growing fruit trees from tropicalfruittrees.com, and bought a bag of fresh lychee.  It was the first time in 30+ years I tasted fresh lychee.  I was convinced lychee could be grown in container and in my zone.  I bought the biggest tree I could afford thinking I could have fresh home grown lychee.  So far it's been a challenge  :-[

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