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Title: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 14, 2012, 11:17:29 AM
Wondering who has found a seedling avocado tree near them locally, that stands out amongst the others as being your favorite?

After searching through many fruiting seedling trees near me, I've found one seedling tree with large, light green, smooth skinned,  pear shaped fruits, with a firm, buttery, egg yolk flavor pulp.

It my favorite...so I've grafted it before it succumbs to Laurel Wilt.

Anyone else have a description of their favorite seedling avocado tree?

Here in central FL we are in danger of losing some amazing seedling trees, so I'm on a mission to preserve some of the finest.

I will post pics of tree and fruits asap!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on July 14, 2012, 02:21:26 PM
Hi Adam,
My favorite seedling is a tree that my grandfather planted and the tree is in it's 3rd year of production...the yield has increased 5 fold.

This particular tree bear's large fruits, very small seed and the skin is bumpy/smooth/green 8)

This var. is the best seedling Avocado...thin skin, firm, fiberless and freak'n tasty 8) I eat the fruit just like that...no need to drown this avocado with condiments... :o

I will properly document this Avocado this year...for everyone to see ;) Here's the pic on the small seed... 8)

(http://s10.postimage.org/qb9m9ltat/IMG_2655.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qb9m9ltat/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Mike T on July 14, 2012, 03:37:49 PM
I also see seedling avos around and some are very good.A few years ago I stumbled across a trees covered with huge black cannonball avos with smooth skin like an eggplant.You'd hock up hass in horror after trying this baby.People seem to plant seeds of sharwil,reed,shepard and hass quite a bit.Some turn out great and like their parents,others with different fruit entirely or poor fruit and often trees don't fruit or take forever to fruit.I see more good seedling on the cool adjacent tablelands than on the steamy coast where I am.
Steven that is a small seed and I presume the fruit must be modest in size also. 
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 14, 2012, 04:01:52 PM
MikeT,

Do you have a problem with boring beetles, infecting trees in Australia?

Here we are losing them left and right.

 
I also see seedling avos around and some are very good.A few years ago I stumbled across a trees covered with huge black cannonball avos with smooth skin like an eggplant.You'd hock up hass in horror after trying this baby.People seem to plant seeds of sharwil,reed,shepard and hass quite a bit.Some turn out great and like their parents,others with different fruit entirely or poor fruit and often trees don't fruit or take forever to fruit.I see more good seedling on the cool adjacent tablelands than on the steamy coast where I am.
Steven that is a small seed and I presume the fruit must be modest in size also. 


Thanks for the pic and info Steven!

I wish I could taste this one!

Hi Adam,
My favorite seedling is a tree that my grandfather planted and the tree is in it's 3rd year of production...the yield has increased 5 fold.

This particular tree bear's large fruits, very small seed and the skin is bumpy/smooth/green 8)

This var. is the best seedling Avocado...thin skin, firm, fiberless and freak'n tasty 8) I eat the fruit just like that...no need to drown this avocado with condiments... :o

I will properly document this Avocado this year...for everyone to see ;) Here's the pic on the small seed... 8)

(http://s10.postimage.org/qb9m9ltat/IMG_2655.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qb9m9ltat/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Mike T on July 14, 2012, 04:19:09 PM
Not really Saff but cerambycids and buprestid beetle borers are a low level pain in the ass.I get many kinds of longicorns to 3 inches with the rainforest 200 yards away.Avos, durian and citrus sometimes get them but not in big numbers.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Mike T on July 14, 2012, 04:26:48 PM
Saff I just looked at the stats and see you have 2000 posts and Oscar has cracked the 3000 mark.I think a new cayegory should be erected to accommodate that kinda productivity.It is like a Cat 6 hurricane and maybe Super Hero is the logical classification to seperate you guys from the gasrden variety of heros.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on July 14, 2012, 06:03:43 PM
I also see seedling avos around and some are very good.A few years ago I stumbled across a trees covered with huge black cannonball avos with smooth skin like an eggplant.You'd hock up hass in horror after trying this baby.People seem to plant seeds of sharwil,reed,shepard and hass quite a bit.Some turn out great and like their parents,others with different fruit entirely or poor fruit and often trees don't fruit or take forever to fruit.I see more good seedling on the cool adjacent tablelands than on the steamy coast where I am.
Steven that is a small seed and I presume the fruit must be modest in size also.

Howdy Mike,
It not as large as a cannon ball :o...it's large, not massive ;) The fruits start to ripen around November...i'll keep the best trait of this avo...secret  :o then when they are ripe...i will spill 'em beans ;D 

@Adam...there will be enough Avo's for everyone...will be happy to share :)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on July 14, 2012, 06:04:57 PM
ASafron I'm following the Laurel Wilt situation very closely. I'm in Homestead and it began to show up in the norther perimeter.

Seem like if you inject the trees with Tilt, a fungicide with the active ingredient Propiconazole,  you can prevent the disease.   The Extension is testing various methods and so am I.  So far down here it seems to attack trees that are weak and in decline. SO a preventive measure is to keep the trees healthy.  Is it behaving different in Central Florida?

On the seedling issue, I agree with you, there has to be dozens of good seedling scattered every where in Florida. So I'm glad you are on the look out for good seedlings.

Keep us posted. Please document with pictures when you can.

Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 14, 2012, 06:18:25 PM
I hear its attacking a certain race more than others, but I forget which one...I think the winter mexican may be resistant, but don't quote me.

I've witnessed about 8% of all the trees I know about, showing signs of laurel Wilt...but my estimates maybe off.

It's been bad enough for me to get worried about saving some trees!

I will post pics very soon.

take care!

ASafron I'm following the Laurel Wilt situation very closely. I'm in Homestead and it began to show up in the norther perimeter.

Seem like if you inject the trees with Tilt, a fungicide with the active ingredient Propiconazole,  you can prevent the disease.   The Extension is testing various methods and so am I.  So far down here it seems to attack trees that are weak and in decline. SO a preventive measure is to keep the trees healthy.  Is it behaving different in Central Florida?

On the seedling issue, I agree with you, there has to be dozens of good seedling scattered every where in Florida. So I'm glad you are on the look out for good seedlings.

Keep us posted. Please document with pictures when you can.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Squam256 on July 14, 2012, 06:57:06 PM
Jonathan Crane stated that West Indian types appear to be more susceptible to Laurel Wilt.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 14, 2012, 06:59:12 PM
thanks Squam!

Jonathan Crane stated that West Indian types appear to be more susceptible to Laurel Wilt.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 05, 2012, 11:38:51 PM
here is one of the grafted trees I made of my favorite local avocado.

I'm sure you won't be able to tell much from the picture...I have to get a better one.

The fruits are pear shaped, and blush yellow green when mature.  They're medium large/ to large fruited...and the fruit is savory, rich, with a firm texture, and taste like egg yolk...I remember really liking the aroma of this one...it has good flavored oil I suppose u could say.

I'll try to post pics of the fruits in detail, so we can possible put a finger on what it may be related to.  CTMIAMI..I'm counting on u.  ;D  :)
(http://s8.postimage.org/mttd56vsx/8_29_isaac_011.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mttd56vsx/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Tropicdude on October 06, 2012, 12:27:43 AM
Saff I just looked at the stats and see you have 2000 posts and Oscar has cracked the 3000 mark.I think a new cayegory should be erected to accommodate that kinda productivity.It is like a Cat 6 hurricane and maybe Super Hero is the logical classification to seperate you guys from the gasrden variety of heros.
After Hero comes super hero, then forum god. lol.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 06, 2012, 12:48:25 AM
I've been shooting for the titles of:

"Prince of Plinia"
or
"Archbishop of Annoncaceae"
or
"Sultan of Sapotaceae"
or
"Captain Clusiaceae Clout"

For now, I'm just a Plinia peasant/Jaboticaba jester/myrciaria madman!





Saff I just looked at the stats and see you have 2000 posts and Oscar has cracked the 3000 mark.I think a new cayegory should be erected to accommodate that kinda productivity.It is like a Cat 6 hurricane and maybe Super Hero is the logical classification to seperate you guys from the gasrden variety of heros.
After Hero comes super hero, then forum god. lol.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: davidgarcia899 on October 06, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Theses are pictures from my seed tree. I wouldn't say the avocados are great. But they are good a little bit on the watery side. They are also kinda small, but i like that because it means you can eat a whole one. However, the main reason I keep this tree is because its a very heavy bearer and can hold on to alot of avocados. The top picture shows half of what I picked this year from this tree.


(http://s11.postimage.org/oisuw9u73/photo.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/oisuw9u73/)

(http://s11.postimage.org/jmp84ku1r/photo_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jmp84ku1r/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 10, 2012, 10:42:31 PM
can anyone help me figure out something about the lineage of this seedling avocado I like so much??

I will post pics of the fruit cut in half soon.

I remember a rich egg yolk taste, firm flesh, good flesh to seed ratio..and large fruits.

the fruit in the picture is medium sized, they get about 20% larger...but can be smaller as well.

the fruits seem to be late season, ripening from now until Mid November..if I remember...or maybe even later?? 

any ideas so far?
thanks in advance!  :)
(http://s17.postimage.org/iovncnqsb/10_10_avocado_002.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/iovncnqsb/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: HMHausman on October 11, 2012, 02:59:08 PM
can anyone help me figure out something about the lineage of this seedling avocado I like so much??

I will post pics of the fruit cut in half soon.

I remember a rich egg yolk taste, firm flesh, good flesh to seed ratio..and large fruits.

the fruit in the picture is medium sized, they get about 20% larger...but can be smaller as well.

the fruits seem to be late season, ripening from now until Mid November..if I remember...or maybe even later?? 

any ideas so far?
thanks in advance!  :)
(http://s17.postimage.org/iovncnqsb/10_10_avocado_002.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/iovncnqsb/)

Looks somewhat like Pollack, but the season would be wrong.  Pollack is an early fruit.....say August-September.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 11, 2012, 04:17:44 PM
thanks Harry..
i also thought of pollack.

maybe they are so much later in the season because i'm up north??

the tree is cold sensitive for sure.

is this a feature of polllack??



you could be on to something

thanks for posting
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 12, 2012, 04:17:53 PM
one thing I can say about this tree, is that the fruits are hard to spot when picking them!

I like the fact that the tree was loaded with fruit, but looked picked clean!

some fruits are quite large (almost too large for the basket on my picker pole) but they are not the biggest fruits I've seen.

the description of pollack sounds right, but I'm not sure yet.  I need to taste one and see the inside.  another day or so and they'll be ripe.

I will share pics and experience.

thanks to all who contribute to the avocado discussion.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: HMHausman on October 12, 2012, 05:37:12 PM
one thing I can say about this tree, is that the fruits are hard to spot when picking them!

I like the fact that the tree was loaded with fruit, but looked picked clean!

some fruits are quite large (almost too large for the basket on my picker pole) but they are not the biggest fruits I've seen.

the description of pollack sounds right, but I'm not sure yet.  I need to taste one and see the inside.  another day or so and they'll be ripe.

I will share pics and experience.

thanks to all who contribute to the avocado discussion.

Very pollack-like problems, for sure.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on October 12, 2012, 10:04:28 PM
I have two Pollock trees and ate quite a few of them this season. Is one of my favorites. That fruit does not remind me of it. Pollock is very early July-August. If I had to pick I would say looks more like a Dupuis, the shape the size, color etc. But again Dupuis is an early fruit but the seedling can come any way it wants. There are no rules. The yellow spots remind me of Arue, but that is super early. I saw flowers on some of my Arue trees today. Good luck with your seedling looks nice. Do you know flower type?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 12, 2012, 10:10:56 PM
ctmiami,

I never thought to see what type the flowers are...by me there are as many avocado trees as loquat and citrus...they all seem to have fruit...but many are being hit, and killed by wilt.

this one tree was too tasty for me to let die off!  I easily grafted 3 trees and gave away 2...keeping one.   

if the fruits are delicious this year, I will be happy to share budwood (but is that a bad idea even within the state? and from a seemingly healthy specimen?)

thanks!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on October 13, 2012, 02:28:08 PM
aSaffron. You need to get with the program to save your avocado trees from Laurel Wilt. Is not complicated and there is no toxicity to the fruit.  The Chemical does not go into the fruit but prevents the fungus from growing and killing the tree. I'm developing  and almost done. a low cost injection system using parts you can buy anywhere except the injectors.  in total for under $30.00-40.00 you can build the injection system and inject Tilt in your trees. A few more test are needed.

I don't think it would be a problem to share bud wood as long as there are no beetle holes in the tree and the tree is in a container. Some people are suspecting now that the Wilt is transmitted in the grove environment by root proximity, not good.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 21, 2012, 10:39:42 AM
Here is my favorite seedling avocado again.

The last time I picked them was a bit early, so the flavor was a bit bland.

This time, they are perfectly ready to pick.

I will update with photos of the inside of the fruit, and with my observations of fruit quality and flavor.

I was surprised to find, that when I was in the tree picking the fruits, there is another crop that's about 2 months away from being ready to pick.  The second crop is less abundant than the first, only comprising about 1/4 of total fruit produced by the tree.

I tried to show a larger fruit, and a smaller fruit to show the size range.  Most fruits are large, not many were small.

The yellow blush gets me excited to taste these, I hope they're as good as I remember a few years back.

I also tried to take as many pics as I could to show the same fruit at different angles (with hopes of identifying it)

BTW, this tree isn't really a cold hearty one, although it's endured quite a few bad freezes. I'm guessing temps around 28F will really start to hurt the tree. (just a guess though)

Thanks to all who've been participating in this discussion.



(http://s8.postimage.org/tdxrdcolt/11_2012_004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tdxrdcolt/)

(http://s8.postimage.org/isihf37o1/11_2012_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/isihf37o1/)

(http://s8.postimage.org/aoadacl8x/11_2012_002.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/aoadacl8x/)

(http://s8.postimage.org/u7eyjpk0h/11_2012_003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/u7eyjpk0h/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on November 21, 2012, 11:08:52 AM
The yellow bush is probably sunburn??
I would be interested to see if this tree keeps the fruit on until December-January. Please let me know. I continue to looks for late fruit. Monroe keeps it but fruits starts dropping now.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 21, 2012, 05:52:39 PM
CTMIAMI,

the tree will certainly have fruits on until about Dec-Jan, maybe even Feb...but a freeze will ruin them.

The tree is positioned on the south east side of a building, one the south east side of a lake.  I think this is the only reason it's survived.

It looks like the tree might have frozen to the ground before (over 8yrs ago), because the trunk is divergent at the base.

Also, you must be right about the sun exposure causing this lovely yellow pigmentation.  The fruits at the very top of the tree, in full sun, were the yellowest.

I'll be sure to keep you posted on the tree (I've been grafting up quite a few, I made about 10 so far).

The flavor was much sweeter than I remembered years ago, but when I first tasted the fruit, I was still a freshman avocado taster.  Now I'm a sophomore...hoping to make it to the junior levels of avocado eating experience soon.

thanks for posting your comments CTMIAMI. 

Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on November 21, 2012, 06:39:08 PM
It does not look like a Choquette or Monroe, the two late work horses. It shows same characteristics  of Semil 34 may be . I have a friend in Puerto Rico who has it. I will ask him to look at your pictures. That is a late fruit.

Have you named  it?
(http://s11.postimage.org/kdtdx9wrz/semil34.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kdtdx9wrz/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on November 21, 2012, 06:45:09 PM
It does not look like a Choquette or Monroe, the two late work horses. It shows same characteristics  of Semil 34 may be . I have a friend in Puerto Rico who has it. I will ask him to look at your pictures. That is a late fruit.  Have you named  it?

This is Semil 35
(http://s11.postimage.org/kdtdx9wrz/semil34.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kdtdx9wrz/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 21, 2012, 07:44:34 PM
its been named Killarney Queen.

just temporarily....if it turns out to be unique and worth disseminating, I'd love to think up a much better name.

but for now it's just a seedling I love, with a nickname.

Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on November 22, 2012, 06:33:21 AM
Awesome Avo's, Guys 8) I harvested a few avo's from my seedling(Small seed)...will wait for the badboy to ripen, then take a pic. From this tree, i will have avo's till Jan. The other huge seedling tree ripens in December till April. Lost a load of avo's from this tree due to wind :( Since this tree is super productive...there is enough for everybody ;D
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 01, 2012, 06:09:08 PM
Here is the review of my favorite local seedling avocado,

the fruit had an egg flavor for sure, and even a sweet component.

I was not inclined to eat the fruit out of hand though, as I remembered years back.  I would be happy to eat nice portion of this fruit with lemon and salt, but by itself, I find the taste is too mild/sweet, and egg like, to enjoy all alone.

It would be excellent as a guacamole ingredient, or served in a salad, sandwich, or some other dish, but in all honesty, I'm looking for an avocado that I want to eat all by itself.

The fruits peel right out of the skin. 

The best aspects of this seedling are the large fruits, the long / late season (possible small second crop in Jan-Feb), and the versatile flavor (can be used for savory or sweet applications I believe).

(http://s10.postimage.org/rm5xow79h/12_1_12_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rm5xow79h/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/3wl3dxy9x/12_1_12_002.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3wl3dxy9x/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/our9c0y4l/12_1_12_003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/our9c0y4l/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/6t84e843p/12_1_12_004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6t84e843p/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on December 01, 2012, 06:18:35 PM
It will be interesting to see if it the fruit stays in the tree in February. Keep us posted
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: zands on December 01, 2012, 06:42:51 PM
Kikkoman is one of the best soy sauces around. Just saying .......but try mashing up the avocado with some. Avocados like salt and Kikko will provide. Kikko with a little raw onion or raw garlic. A little black pepper or cayenne. The oily avocados like an acid agent to balance and cut through. So vinegar, lime, lemon juice etc. are in order

But all in all the best test is eating slices as a side dish. If the avocado tastes good this way then it is superior
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 01, 2012, 07:15:38 PM
I'd have to give my seedling avocado a rating of 6.5 out of 10 in terms of flavor.

Kikkoman is one of the best soy sauces around. Just saying .......but try mashing up the avocado with some. Avocados like salt and Kikko will provide. Kikko with a little raw onion or raw garlic. A little black pepper or cayenne. The oily avocados like an acid agent to balance and cut through. So vinegar, lime, lemon juice etc. are in order

But all in all the best test is eating slices as a side dish. If the avocado tastes good this way then it is superior
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: bangkok on December 01, 2012, 09:32:09 PM
Avocado's cost more then 2us$ a piece here now. I bought some from the Royal Project from North Thailand yesterday. They look the same as the Australian ones but i did not taste them yet.

I wished i can grow avocado in Bangkok but i have never heard or seen any proof that it is possible here.

We eat them with salad but mainly in home-made sushi rolls.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 01, 2012, 09:41:01 PM
Avocado's cost more then 2us$ a piece here now. I bought some from the Royal Project from North Thailand yesterday. They look the same as the Australian ones but i did not taste them yet.

I wished i can grow avocado in Bangkok but i have never heard or seen any proof that it is possible here.

We eat them with salad but mainly in home-made sushi rolls.

maybe you can grow some of the more tropical varieties, in large containers.

I know you can!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on December 01, 2012, 10:35:52 PM
I wished i can grow avocado in Bangkok but i have never heard or seen any proof that it is possible here.

You should be able to grow West Indies race avocado types in your location, also some Hawaiian avocados.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on December 02, 2012, 05:37:20 AM
Howdy Folks ;D,

Long overdue pics :-[

Finally get to show my badboys 8) This avocado has a very nice flavor, creamy and fiberless.  I like to eat this avo plain with stew or in a milkshake...YUMMY ;D
(http://s16.postimage.org/rx6pvkxzl/IMG_0672.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rx6pvkxzl/)

This red avo came from Cāmara de Lobos, that a neighbours shared with me. The flesh has a nice green colour, creamy, with only few strings in the flesh. It has a large seed(great for rootstocks:-) ) Nice flavor and great for guacamole :)
(http://s16.postimage.org/z2ygy172p/IMG_0673.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/z2ygy172p/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: bangkok on December 02, 2012, 05:45:08 AM
I wished i can grow avocado in Bangkok but i have never heard or seen any proof that it is possible here.

You should be able to grow West Indies race avocado types in your location, also some Hawaiian avocados.

Thanks for the advice, then the next problem is where can i buy a grafted West indies  race avocadoplant in Thailand? I will start searching for that though.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on December 02, 2012, 01:21:26 PM
Check if Thailand has any restriction on the importation of Avocado bud wood. It may be the best way to start a collection, grafting your own.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 02, 2012, 02:05:19 PM
your favorite seedling avocado looks way better than mine!!

sounds tastier!

I'm jealous!

I wish mine was so good I could eat a whole fruit.

great pics!
Howdy Folks ;D,

Long overdue pics :-[

Finally get to show my badboys 8) This avocado has a very nice flavor, creamy and fiberless.  I like to eat this avo plain with stew or in a milkshake...YUMMY ;D
(http://s16.postimage.org/rx6pvkxzl/IMG_0672.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rx6pvkxzl/)

This red avo came from Cāmara de Lobos, that a neighbours shared with me. The flesh has a nice green colour, creamy, with only few strings in the flesh. It has a large seed(great for rootstocks:-) ) Nice flavor and great for guacamole :)
(http://s16.postimage.org/z2ygy172p/IMG_0673.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/z2ygy172p/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on December 02, 2012, 03:54:18 PM
Hi Adam,
Shh...Don't say that out loud :o...the tree will get cocky and will cease to produce ;D Just kidding, buddy :)

Seriously, If you want some scions...Will be happy to send you some, in Spring :) Let me know ;)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 26, 2012, 04:03:26 PM
my new favorite local seedling!

Tastes good enough to eat all alone.

Bears in clusters? I saw a few fruits hanging from the same stem, in pairs, and even a cluster of 4 fruits!

larger leaf, round shape fruit. 



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(http://s9.postimage.org/jzhl6m16j/12_23_12_015.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jzhl6m16j/)

Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on December 26, 2012, 05:00:41 PM
Adam is the Killarney Queen still holding fruit?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 26, 2012, 05:04:42 PM
Oh that's right!

let me go check tonight.

i will report back sir!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 28, 2012, 07:13:18 PM
The killarney queen had some fruits! Still not full sized, but had only a few fruits.

I think the later crop will be sporadic and sparse, probably not dependable.

But it looks like the tree may hold some fruits until Feb!

I will keep u posted.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: HMHausman on January 01, 2013, 08:49:45 AM
my new favorite local seedling!
Tastes good enough to eat all alone.
Bears in clusters? I saw a few fruits hanging from the same stem, in pairs, and even a cluster of 4 fruits!
larger leaf, round shape fruit. 
(http://s7.postimage.org/rcw22ykt3/12_23_12_011.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rcw22ykt3/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/j46s17tyd/12_23_12_012.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/j46s17tyd/)

(http://s9.postimage.org/jzhl6m16j/12_23_12_015.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jzhl6m16j/)

Very interesting fruit.  Just looking at the fruit photo before i enlarged it, I thought it was some sort of citrus.  Do you have any cut open fruit pics?  How is the seed/flesh ratio?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 01, 2013, 10:50:55 AM
Harry,

Yes I think I have a pic of the inside...let me check.

The flesh to seed ratio was good, although the seeds are not small. It does look like a bael fruit though!

I will upload it ASAP!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 06, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Harry,

here is a pic of the fruit cut in half.

The texture of the fruit was very nice, absolutely no fibers, and the flavor was mild, with a hint of maple or nut flavor.

The tree still has quite a few fruits on it, I'm going to get some tomorrow...that will be the last of them for this season.  Then I will graft about 4 trees of this seedling, I like it enough.


(http://s14.postimage.org/ngebfhr2l/1_5_13_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ngebfhr2l/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: HMHausman on January 06, 2013, 09:45:44 PM
Pretty darned nice looking for a seedling.  Good seed/flesh ratio.  Looks like a keeper.  Do you know how old the tree it came from was?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 06, 2013, 09:57:36 PM
I think the tree is about 8 yrs old, or older.  I can check with my buddy John, he knows for sure.  He scouted the tree.

I'm pretty sure this is the first year its fruited, he's been watching and waiting for this tree.

I guess it's just a nice Guatemalan seedling?   
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: HMHausman on January 06, 2013, 10:05:18 PM
Any clue about what type of avocado the seed was planted from?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 06, 2013, 10:07:47 PM
No idea.  John thinks it might be a descendent of an old tree his dad once had, that was a very nice fruit, but we can't confirm this.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 07, 2013, 06:18:49 PM
I was climbing in the tree today, and noticed there are still quite a few fruits, and the tree looks like it could carry them well into February, if the damn squirrels leave them alone.

I'm planning on tasting some more fruits to see if they are consistently good.  Also going to share some fruit!  So far everyone seems to agree the mild flavor is very nice, as is the texture, and the fruit is not watery.

PS. the fruits are moderately large, but for their size, they feel extremely heavy! I just noticed today.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 07, 2013, 06:51:04 PM
Has the tree been fertilized? Do you know how much fertilizer?  Please check to see in the next fruit you open up if there are roots beginning to grow from the seed. Also an important fact is how long does the fruit take to mature at room temperature  after is remove from the tree.  If the tree can carry to February it would be interesting to see if it does the same in other parts. Sorry too many request
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 07, 2013, 07:10:14 PM
Has the tree been fertilized? Do you know how much fertilizer?  Please check to see in the next fruit you open up if there are roots beginning to grow from the seed. Also an important fact is how long does the fruit take to mature at room temperature  after is remove from the tree.  If the tree can carry to February it would be interesting to see if it does the same in other parts. Sorry too many request

The tree has been neglected, but its in a lawn that's healthy, so maybe it gets fertilizer somehow?  It' being chocked out by sod, so I think it would be happier with some love, and weed removal, but maybe I'm mistaken.

According to the dates that my photos were taken (of the fruit cut in half below) the fruit took about 10 days to finally ripen.  They sat on a shelf at my house. 

I picked some today, they are even yellow in color, I will let you know how long it takes to ripen!  and how they taste!

Don't forget the tree is in Zone 9b, so it is about 1-2 months behind your schedule I bet!  So I guess it would hold fruit by you until Dec-Jan. 
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 07, 2013, 07:46:58 PM
the fruits picked today.

I will see how long they stay on the tree.  It looks like they will still be hanging around until Feb.
(http://s2.postimage.org/lxetrwied/1_7_13.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lxetrwied/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 07, 2013, 07:57:38 PM
Saffron we are watching two seedlings from you. The round one with the small seed (have you named it)  and the  Killarney Queen, is it holding fruit?.

The round one looks interesting the small seeds reminds me of Hawaiian avocados I see in pictures.   
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 07, 2013, 09:27:55 PM
Carlos,

The killarney queen has only a few fruits hanging on, but it looks like they will make it into late February, I will be sure to keep an eye on it.  I don't think it will consistently produce a good crop that ripens after December.  The majority of the fruits on that tree have all ripened.

The round shaped fruits look like they will be the better of the two, and the later season fruit.  I haven't named it yet, but I suppose I could call it,  "Kimber", after the man who showed me the tree.  I grafted 3 today.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 12, 2013, 04:08:10 PM
Carlos,

Some news about my new favorite seedling.

The fruits turn brown on the outside upon ripening, this of course is bad for marketing.

The fruit I picked Jan 7, ripened today, much earlier than last time (I'm wondering if your fruit is ripe?).  The tree won't hold fruits past Jan 20th, it looks like...and don't forget this is a strange year, as far as weather.

I let my friend eat one, and asked about the flavor, he said it was a good fruit, but it didn't have the flavor that he preferred, of the dark skinned, smaller fruits from Mexico.  He took it home to eat though..and said he liked it.
 
I'm wondering if you will like it? 

Keep me posted, and don't be scared to say bad things about this fruit!  ;D
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Mike T on January 12, 2013, 04:34:37 PM
Has anyone noticed that the best seedling avo fruit are often spherical in shape.I know Reed and Nabal seedlings often poduce good and these may be the parents of such seedlings most of the time.Seedlings seem to keep those elite Guatemalan traits.If Bangkok can get Shepard or Reed they will fruit in his climate.If not available those with WI blood (sap) would do well but not have fruit as high in quality.Lowland hawaiins would do alright and there are probably a few with more guatemalan characteristics such as high oil content and creamy,tasty and fiber free flesh.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 12, 2013, 06:43:17 PM
Carlos,

Some news about my new favorite seedling.

The fruits turn brown on the outside upon ripening, this of course is bad for marketing.

The fruit I picked Jan 7, ripened today, much earlier than last time (I'm wondering if your fruit is ripe?).  The tree won't hold fruits past Jan 20th, it looks like...and don't forget this is a strange year, as far as weather.

I let my friend eat one, and asked about the flavor, he said it was a good fruit, but it didn't have the flavor that he preferred, of the dark skinned, smaller fruits from Mexico.  He took it home to eat though..and said he liked it.
 
I'm wondering if you will like it? 

Keep me posted, and don't be scared to say bad things about this fruit!  ;D
Adam, I think it has a few more days to go and yes is beginning to change color
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: zands on January 12, 2013, 07:02:21 PM
Doris Market in Florida has five stores and can surprise you in the fruit and vegetable section. Last September I saw huge round avocados....must have weighed at least 1.5 lbs each. Maybe they were Marcus variety? Are they commercially grown here? They were rock hard with green shiny skin
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on January 13, 2013, 04:41:32 AM
So Semil-35 is also known as Killarney-Queen? More info please on this interesting cultivar! Does the fruit look as beautiful right now as in the picture? Or, does it have those ugly-brownish-segmented-areas, like the Semil-34 I've seen in Miami, FL, U.S.A? Also, please keep us posted on how long the tree holds the fruit. Many thanks. ;)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 13, 2013, 08:51:28 AM
So Semil-35 is also known as Killarney-Queen? More info please on this interesting cultivar! Does the fruit look as beautiful right now as in the picture? Or, does it have those ugly-brownish-segmented-areas, like the Semil-34 I've seen in Miami, FL, U.S.A? Also, please keep us posted on how long the tree holds the fruit. Many thanks. ;)
No, Semil 35 is totally different.

Killarney Queen is just a nickname given to a seedling near me. 

The seeding looks like it holds fruits until Dec, with a very light secondary crop that could hold until late Jan early Feb.

The other seedling I found, Kimber, holds a nice crop of fruits until about mid Jan, near me in Central FL.

Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 13, 2013, 03:44:47 PM
Adam did you look for Semil 54 at the Fruit and Spice Park. Was there any avocados on the trees?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 13, 2013, 04:29:49 PM
I had limited time!  Sorry I couldn't find the tree.  I bet if you call and ask, they'll tell you if it has fruits.

there's a new fella there names Jerry Frye.  (not sure of spelling) he's a very nice person, and I think the park will be stepping up their game!

they've known they have a treasure trove, but now the average joe is figuring it out!

fruit and spice will be even more incredible in the not to distant future.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 17, 2013, 08:50:56 PM
Kimber avocado:  A Guatemalan beauty.  Adam the fruit you gave me was 29oz, as it was turning dark during maturity remind it me of a canon ball. The skin a a bit hard like many late fruit. As result I usually let this type of fruit mature a day more than what I really like.
Flavor was a bit blander than let's say a Monroe but at the same time totally different in texture but very pleasant and creamy. No dark areas, no fiber at all, matures evenly.
The seed was small compared to the size of the fruit, it show no sign of root emerging from the seed.  I place a piece in the refrigerator in plastic wrap and after 24 Hrs shows little sign of oxidation. A big plus for a big fruit.
If this fruit stays on the tree until February it may be a nice fruit to have past Monroe season.
Thanks for the fruit. I hope the grafts take.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 17, 2013, 10:17:08 PM
thanks very much for the review! 

I highly value your opinion about avocados!

it will probably only hold fruit until Dec-Jan in south FL though.

I love the texture and mild flavor...but I know there's more flavorful avocados out there.

thanks again for the report, I hope your grafts take...if not I will can send more budwood your way!
Kimber avocado:  A Guatemalan beauty.  Adam the fruit you gave me was 29oz, as it was turning dark during maturity remind it me of a canon ball. The skin a a bit hard like many late fruit. As result I usually let this type of fruit mature a day more than what I really like.
Flavor was a bit blander than let's say a Monroe but at the same time totally different in texture but very pleasant and creamy. No dark areas, no fiber at all, matures evenly.
The seed was small compared to the size of the fruit, it show no sign of root emerging from the seed.  I place a piece in the refrigerator in plastic wrap and after 24 Hrs shows little sign of oxidation. A big plus for a big fruit.
If this fruit stays on the tree until February it may be a nice fruit to have past Monroe season.
Thanks for the fruit. I hope the grafts take.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 22, 2013, 10:37:35 PM
the kimber avocado is still holding some fruits!

maybe it would hold on the tree down by you until Dec-January?

the best avocado I know of, still has fruits hanging on the tree...it's grafted but I'm not sure which kind.  Maybe I can find a pic.  It holds fruits until late Feb.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 23, 2013, 05:22:31 PM
Yes, please find out what it is.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 23, 2013, 06:20:10 PM
Ctmiami,

I grafted some of these onto the rootstocks you gave me!

I'd love to figure out which variety it is.  I will try to find pics...I have them on my phone.

Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on March 22, 2013, 06:23:02 PM
http://www.myavocadotrees.com/kimber-avocado.html (http://www.myavocadotrees.com/kimber-avocado.html)

Kimer is growing in South FLorida. All grafts are  growing.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 22, 2013, 08:44:13 PM
thanks for the update!  I really like your website, and descriptions...also youur grafts look great.

I have some more varities to share with u soon.  I'm in the process of locating a seedless avocado that should be interesting.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on March 22, 2013, 10:51:02 PM
I have a seed less It has not flower this year. Its the Juan Jose from Fairchild.
Actually I'm still looking for trees holding fruit now.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: bangkok on March 22, 2013, 10:56:02 PM
Has anyone noticed that the best seedling avo fruit are often spherical in shape.I know Reed and Nabal seedlings often poduce good and these may be the parents of such seedlings most of the time.Seedlings seem to keep those elite Guatemalan traits.If Bangkok can get Shepard or Reed they will fruit in his climate.If not available those with WI blood (sap) would do well but not have fruit as high in quality.Lowland hawaiins would do alright and there are probably a few with more guatemalan characteristics such as high oil content and creamy,tasty and fiber free flesh.

I just see your advice now mike, thanks! My tree is still very small with only 1 branch so far. Maybe next year i will start grafting it and untill then i will start collecting scion-tree;s. I can't wait to see an avocado on my tree but first let's see if it survives a rainingseason before putting more effort in this tree. It looks very healthy and grows well. Many bangkokians told me i cannot make an avocado have fruit in BKK so we will see.  I gave it my best shot.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 20, 2013, 07:27:29 PM
saw the Kimber avocado tree today.  It was loaded with fruits that were only the size of eggs, and small lemons.  Looks like it will be late season again this year.  Maybe it will hold again until late Jan, or Feb.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: edzone9 on June 21, 2013, 06:23:12 PM
I Belive I Lost 3 Trees So Far To Laurel Wilt, 1 Mexicola , Lilla & Catalina.
The Leaves Looked Exactly Like The PDF On The FL AGri Site.

The Only 2 Trees That Have Not Been Effected Is My 2 Year Old Seedling In The Ground & My 15 Gal Lula In Pot..

Now I Know what Is Happening To My Cado Trees..

Thanks For The Post.

So How Can We Control It ?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on June 21, 2013, 07:19:49 PM
Ed the trees can be protected. There is a bit of disarray in the academic and government  community as to how home owners can do this. I just injected all my Hawaiians and all my critical plants to protect them.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: zands on June 21, 2013, 07:30:56 PM
I have a seedling avocado near me planted 7 years ago and this year is the first year it has fruits. Look like nice pear shaped fruits. The owner and me are guessing they will be good and ripe in September. I will report on them when this comes
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: edzone9 on June 21, 2013, 08:56:13 PM
Hello Carlos;

It Would Be Great If & When You Have Some Time , Maybe You Can Post A How To Video On How To Protect Your Cado Trees From This Bug , Out Of 5 Cado Trees I have 2 Left & Would hate To See Them Go,..

At The Moment Im Going To Stop Buying Cado Trees Untill I Learn This Injection Method.

Thanks Again Ed..
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on June 22, 2013, 03:21:26 PM
Ed let me tall you what the problem is. I have 3 systems that I use. Two I came up with it and can be build under $20.00. The other is the Arborjet Quick jet injector.  There are no protocols for Home Owners to use. So I would be skeptical to post something that requires a train individual to do.
Even the Tilt (propiconazole) to water ratio is up in the air. They started recommending to mix the Tilt with several Gallons of water. I have done it with little water and the residuals are perfect. Most people using it are using less water.
Right now the trees can be protected no doubt in my mind, reasonably priced at under $2.00-3.00, not including the initial investment in the equipment, hoses,Tees and your time. It takes 5-10 minutes to do a tree..

Also Syngenta the makers of Tilt will have to come up with a label. Hell may freeze over before that happens any time soon.

May be a petition to the Florida Secretary of Agriculture?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: edzone9 on June 22, 2013, 05:11:38 PM
This is my 2. Year old seedling it survived all ne Florida cold snaps last year without cover.
I think its Guatemala type. I bought the fruit in a NYC bodega it was a very large tasty fruit.
(http://s17.postimg.cc/aums8coe3/IMG_20130614_162447_500.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aums8coe3/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 19, 2013, 09:16:33 PM
I gotta go check the original kimber tree...how's yours doing Carlos?

I know the squirrels were knocking fruits off a month ago...and there was a nice crop on the tree.  I doubt they'll stay on the tree past late December....the local wild life is ravenous.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on November 20, 2013, 03:59:23 PM
Is doing really well. See the latest pictures in my blog http://www.myavocadotrees.com/kimber-avocado.html (http://www.myavocadotrees.com/kimber-avocado.html)

The only observation is that about a month ago it got a bad case of soft scale and subsequent sooty mold. It was the only tree in the grove with that problem I could not believe it. When ever I see one case of sooty mold I go on Defcon 3, If I see 2-3 Defcon 2.  I hate it.

 I don't know it it will flower this year. I'm curious as to flower type.

Also check this, is not a seedling, is an obscure variety, no one grows it,  its not a favorite of packing houses, not sure why,  but it is late fruit and it is superb!!. Utuado http://www.myavocadotrees.com/utuado-avocado.html (http://www.myavocadotrees.com/utuado-avocado.html)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 22, 2013, 11:15:17 PM
Carlos

the kimber tree is holding onto a very nice crop...we've been eating them for about 2 weeks now, and it looks like they could hold on the tree until late January.   I will try to see how long they can last, before the squirrels turn them into yard trash guacamole.

it's still my favorite local seedling...so we grafted up a small batch of scions onto seeds from the mother tree. 
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on December 23, 2013, 04:37:29 PM
My tree is good. Nice size but I will doubt it will hold any fruit this year. But yes keep us posted on how long they stay in the tree.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on December 26, 2013, 10:20:22 PM
The only producing avocado seedling that I know is the one of a local friend. To give him his due credit, we can call his avocado seedling the 'Sala' avocado. He doesn't fertilize or copper spray the tree or anything else, he just picks the fruit when they fall to the ground. He's given me some of the fruit every now and them.The fruit are medium sized. The seed is average size in comparison to the fruit size. The seed is not large. The flesh is clean and good tasting. And, it has an average oil content for a Florida avocado. The tree is a consistent yearly producer. He's keeping an eye on the tree to let me know the date when the last avocado drops from the tree. I plan to pass by his house to take a look at the tree, for the very first time for me, sometime in early January 2014.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: MangoMan2 on December 27, 2013, 09:08:41 AM
Carlos

the kimber tree is holding onto a very nice crop...we've been eating them for about 2 weeks now, and it looks like they could hold on the tree until late January.   I will try to see how long they can last, before the squirrels turn them into yard trash guacamole.

it's still my favorite local seedling...so we grafted up a small batch of scions onto seeds from the mother tree.

Adam, I just remembered you were going to bring me one of those seedlings. :) Now maybe I can try one also. ;D
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on December 28, 2013, 01:21:04 PM
Carlos

the kimber tree is holding onto a very nice crop...we've been eating them for about 2 weeks now, and it looks like they could hold on the tree until late January.   I will try to see how long they can last, before the squirrels turn them into yard trash guacamole.

it's still my favorite local seedling...so we grafted up a small batch of scions onto seeds from the mother tree.

Adam, I just remembered you were going to bring me one of those seedlings. :) Now maybe I can try one also. ;D

I couldn't wait for the beginning of January 2014, so I set up an appointment today with the owner of the 'Sala' avocado, to check out the tree, with fruit, at 2:30 p.m. today. While setting up the appointment, he mentioned that he planted the seed two years ago.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 29, 2013, 01:48:16 AM
Yes!!

I will definitely bring you some fruit!! (and a grafted tree)

I'm heading your way within the first 2 weeks of the new year!

Carlos

the kimber tree is holding onto a very nice crop...we've been eating them for about 2 weeks now, and it looks like they could hold on the tree until late January.   I will try to see how long they can last, before the squirrels turn them into yard trash guacamole.

it's still my favorite local seedling...so we grafted up a small batch of scions onto seeds from the mother tree.

Adam, I just remembered you were going to bring me one of those seedlings. :) Now maybe I can try one also. ;D
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on December 29, 2013, 01:50:50 AM
Yesterday I went over to my friends house to check out his seedling 'Sala' avocado tree. The tree was full of medium sized avocados at different stages of ripening. The tree was about 25 feet tall. He planted the seed about two years ago. Amazingly, last year it produced two avocados for the very first time, and now this year, the tree is full of them. He never fertilizes, copper-spray or pick them, he just waits until they fall off the tree. I don't know how long the avocados will stay on the tree. By the looks of their development I would guess no later than January, but I sure hope that they stay on the tree longer than that.

He has three other seedling avocados in his backyard. One of them, for the very first time, has produced two avocados this year.
My friend has a professional degree, unrelated to the fruit tree industry. These 4 seedling avocado trees that he planted in his backyard are just a hobby of his.

I don't know what's going on there. I've never heard of avocados producing two fruit in the first year, and then have the tree full of fruit on the second year. The tree(s) do look like they are about 2 to 3 years old. So, everything he's told me seems to check out and I believe him. I've come to the conclusion that the fact that his seedling(s) produced fruit in 2 years, is one of the characteristic qualities of this/these seedling(s); more on this later.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on December 29, 2013, 11:19:08 AM
Can you get pictures of the tree, fruit and seed? Interesting that a seedling will  produce so many fruit in years 3.  How does the fruit taste?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 29, 2013, 12:22:06 PM
LEOOEL,

sounds like a precocious variety!  if they're true to seed, and always bear fast, that could be some valuable seed.

my friend also planted an avocado seed, of a variety called Del Rio Big.

the name is misleading, because the fruits are small...but the tree started producing fruit only about 3 yrs from seed.

I've not sampled the fruit yet...I'm curious to know what the flavor is like.

Yesterday I went over to my friends house to check out his seedling 'Sala' avocado tree. The tree was full of medium sized avocados at different stages of ripening. The tree was about 25 feet tall. He planted the seed about two years ago. Amazingly, last year it produced two avocados for the very first time, and now this year, the tree is full of them. He never fertilizes, copper-spray or pick them, he just waits until they fall off the tree. I don't know how long the avocados will stay on the tree. By the looks of their development I would guess no later than January, but I sure hope that they stay on the tree longer than that.

He has three other seedling avocados in his backyard. One of them, for the very first time, has produced two avocados this year.
My friend has a professional degree, unrelated to the fruit tree industry. These 4 seedling avocado trees that he planted in his backyard are just a hobby of his.

I don't know what's going on there. I've never heard of avocados producing two fruit in the first year, and then have the tree full of fruit on the second year. The tree(s) do look like they are about 2 to 3 years old. So, everything he's told me seems to check out and I believe him. I've come to the conclusion that the fact that his seedling(s) produced fruit in 2 years, is one of the characteristic qualities of this/these seedling(s); more on this later.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on December 29, 2013, 04:33:41 PM
CTMIAMI and ASaffron, my thoughts exactly.

I think my friends seedling fruit tree and fruits have the potential of being a very special find. While at his house, with all the excitement and all, it didn't cross my mind to take some pictures with my Apple iPhone. In this coming week, I will ask him to let me take some pictures, I hate to pester him about this, but this could be important, to all involved.

When I told him about the 'Sala' name that I had given to his seedling avocado fruit, to give him credit for it, he looked at me, smiled and said, "Sala Uno." Then, he proceeded to tell me that another seedling that he planted about a year or two ago, produced two avocado fruits for the very first time this year. I mean, pinch me, I almost can't take it.  ;)

Ever since I visited his house yesterday, I've been having thoughts of planting every single avocado seed from every fruit that he gives me from his 'Sala' seedling tree. Even if his seedling 'Sala' avocado does not fill the 'SFL-WAV' (South Florida-Winter Avocado Void), by planting the seeds from his tree, not only could a slight variation in the seed's genetic code yield a variety that will fill the 'SFL-WAV,' but that most likely, whomever planted that seed, would only have to wait about two to three years before the tree would start to produce fruit. He's a very respectful man, and although I am a Capitalist, my friendship with him and his family mean more to me than any financial profit that this find could bring; stay tuned.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on December 29, 2013, 11:02:45 PM
Leo next time you see your friend find out if these trees are planted near a septic tank drain field. I have seen trees do unusual stuff under the constant nitrogen  and minor elements feed. 
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on December 29, 2013, 11:30:57 PM
Leo next time you see your friend find out if these trees are planted near a septic tank drain field. I have seen trees do unusual stuff under the constant nitrogen  and minor elements feed.


Hi Carlos

I will be checking on Ismael avocado, from Guantanamo, in three week. some fruits should be almost ripe by late January....I'll take some pics and cut open some fruits.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on December 31, 2013, 12:21:06 AM
Leo next time you see your friend find out if these trees are planted near a septic tank drain field. I have seen trees do unusual stuff under the constant nitrogen  and minor elements feed.

That's a very good question to ask and if that is the case, it would sure explain a lot of things. But, even if that were the case, would it then mean that planting avocado seeds with "constant nitrogen and minor element feed" will always yield similar results? I'm getting some interesting ideas.
Carlos, thank you for your insightful question. I will certainly ask him that and get back to you.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 07, 2014, 04:46:22 PM
the kimber tree is starting to drop fruits daily now...with cold dry winds picking up.

I suppose all of the fruits will be gone by the end of January...so they wouldn't have much a chance to make it past Feb 1st.

the tree still has a nice crop hanging on as of now.  I'll try to make note of when the tree is finished fruiting.

I also want to take a pic and weigh one of the larger fruits...they get quite heavy.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 07, 2014, 07:37:03 PM
Do you know how to check the dry weight?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 07, 2014, 08:58:45 PM
Do you know how to check the dry weight?

no sounds interesting...does that calculate the oil content?

tell me more!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 09, 2014, 09:40:29 PM
Carlos,

I tried to take some better pics of the kimber for you (sorry the lighting was poor, and I had to use a flash).  This one was only medium sized, compared to the larger fruits I saw on the tree, and it was slightly bruised, but nothing serious...I must have dropped it, or it fell from the tree.


(http://s16.postimg.cc/me4x6rls1/01_09_2014_kimberavo_001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/me4x6rls1/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/k6w353r41/01_09_2014_kimberavo_002.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/k6w353r41/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/ojz819p8h/01_09_2014_kimberavo_003.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ojz819p8h/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/4qn48kbup/01_09_2014_kimberavo_004.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4qn48kbup/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/s11a48oap/01_09_2014_kimberavo_006.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s11a48oap/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 09, 2014, 10:52:05 PM
Good looking small seed.
Thanks
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on January 14, 2014, 01:12:23 AM
Yesterday I went over to my friends house to check out his seedling 'Sala' avocado tree. The tree was full of medium sized avocados at different stages of ripening. The tree was about 25 feet tall. He planted the seed about two years ago. Amazingly, last year it produced two avocados for the very first time, and now this year, the tree is full of them. He never fertilizes, copper-spray or pick them, he just waits until they fall off the tree. I don't know how long the avocados will stay on the tree. By the looks of their development I would guess no later than January, but I sure hope that they stay on the tree longer than that.

He has three other seedling avocados in his backyard. One of them, for the very first time, has produced two avocados this year.
My friend has a professional degree, unrelated to the fruit tree industry. These 4 seedling avocado trees that he planted in his backyard are just a hobby of his.

I don't know what's going on there. I've never heard of avocados producing two fruit in the first year, and then have the tree full of fruit on the second year. The tree(s) do look like they are about 2 to 3 years old. So, everything he's told me seems to check out and I believe him. I've come to the conclusion that the fact that his seedling(s) produced fruit in 2 years, is one of the characteristic qualities of this/these seedling(s); more on this later.

Carlos, my friend does not have a septic tank, it's just the regular city sewer pipe system.

He does have two large dogs inside his house, those dogs are very lucky to have him as the owner. When they have to 'go,' they let him know and the dogs will then 'poop' in the backyard. Maybe this is where the Nitrogen and the Minor Elements in the soil, that you mentioned, come from.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: ricshaw on January 14, 2014, 01:53:31 PM

I don't know what's going on there. I've never heard of avocados producing two fruit in the first year, and then have the tree full of fruit on the second year. The tree(s) do look like they are about 2 to 3 years old. So, everything he's told me seems to check out and I believe him. I've come to the conclusion that the fact that his seedling(s) produced fruit in 2 years, is one of the characteristic qualities of this/these seedling(s); more on this later.

I am no avocado expert... but I have experienced and heard of avocado trees producing little fruit one year and lots of fruit the next year.  I think it is more common with some varieties.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 14, 2014, 05:12:13 PM
Yesterday I went over to my friends house to check out his seedling 'Sala' avocado tree. The tree was full of medium sized avocados at different stages of ripening. The tree was about 25 feet tall. He planted the seed about two years ago. Amazingly, last year it produced two avocados for the very first time, and now this year, the tree is full of them. He never fertilizes, copper-spray or pick them, he just waits until they fall off the tree. I don't know how long the avocados will stay on the tree. By the looks of their development I would guess no later than January, but I sure hope that they stay on the tree longer than that.

He has three other seedling avocados in his backyard. One of them, for the very first time, has produced two avocados this year.
My friend has a professional degree, unrelated to the fruit tree industry. These 4 seedling avocado trees that he planted in his backyard are just a hobby of his.

I don't know what's going on there. I've never heard of avocados producing two fruit in the first year, and then have the tree full of fruit on the second year. The tree(s) do look like they are about 2 to 3 years old. So, everything he's told me seems to check out and I believe him. I've come to the conclusion that the fact that his seedling(s) produced fruit in 2 years, is one of the characteristic qualities of this/these seedling(s); more on this later.

Carlos, my friend does not have a septic tank, it's just the regular city sewer pipe system.

He does have two large dogs inside his house, those dogs are very lucky to have him as the owner. When they have to 'go,' they let him know and the dogs will then 'poop' in the backyard. Maybe this is where the Nitrogen and the Minor Elements in the soil, that you mentioned, come from.
Leo it is worth watching this tree. Seems to be special. Let us know if it holds fruit until February-March
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on January 15, 2014, 01:14:04 AM
You got it, will do. I spoke with my friend yesterday. I already set up an appointment to go to his house and take some pictures of the tree, which is still full of fruit, and then post them on this Forum. I don't want to promise anything, but if it's okay with you, I want to give you one of the avocado fruit from my friend's quick bearing seedling tree, so you can try it and taste it. He really doesn't mind about  me writing about his avocado seedling tree(s) on this Forum, as a matter of fact, he gets a kick out of it.

As I've said before, I like the taste of the fruit, the size, look and the overall quality of it, but the outstanding thing about this tree, is that after one year of planting, it produced about two fruits. Then, two years away from planting the seed (this year), the tree is full of fruit.

I'm seriously thinking about planting one or more of the seeds from his tree, in my yard, and then see what happens in a year or two.

I'm also going to make sure that when I plant those seeds, that they will get natural Nitrogen and minor elements in the form of dog 'poop.' I'm already fertilizing my small, grafted fruit trees with dog poop. I don't just drop it near the trees, I dig a small hole near the tree, drop it in and cover it back with the same dirt. I think the value of dog poop may be going up. Sorry about all the talk about the dog poop (albeit true, this is hillarious and I couldn't help it), but, hey, if it works, it may be worth giving it a try.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 15, 2014, 07:44:21 AM
Leo I will like to do a dry weight test to see how it rank compared with other late fruit

Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 15, 2014, 10:30:24 AM
Do you know how to check the dry weight?

no sounds interesting...does that calculate the oil content?

tell me more!

what's the drill with calculating the dry weight?

I'm ready to learn something new.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 15, 2014, 11:17:32 AM
Do you know how to check the dry weight?

no sounds interesting...does that calculate the oil content?

tell me more!

what's the drill with calculating the dry weight?

I'm ready to learn something new.

Is all here http://www.myavocadotrees.com/dry-weight-measurement-in-florida-avocados.html (http://www.myavocadotrees.com/dry-weight-measurement-in-florida-avocados.html)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 15, 2014, 03:33:57 PM
thanks for the info Carlos...

so the fruit you're testing needs to be hard?

can I use any fruit from the tree, as long as it's still hard?

Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 15, 2014, 04:02:42 PM
Correct, hard and green.
 Did you find the paper that show you how?.

Also if you download my spread sheet the formula is there. 
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 15, 2014, 05:25:51 PM
yes I got the link with the methods and materials listed for calculating the dry weight.

I will have to see if I can find my food processor.  I'd be curious to see what the Kimber's dry weight is.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 15, 2014, 05:43:18 PM
No need for food procesor. Use a peeler and slice thinthe parts youare going to test. A goos scale is critical.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 15, 2014, 05:56:26 PM
what is the minimum amount of flesh u can test?

I have a good scale...

so my understanding is, I will be taking a portion of my unripe avocado; and removing a wedge from the fruit...I then take that portion of unripe pulp, and shave it down into thin strips...then I weigh the strips...then microwave the strips of pulp on 40% power for about 15 min ...then reweigh, and calculate the difference using the formula provided? 

Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on January 15, 2014, 10:26:56 PM
Leo I will like to do a dry weight test to see how it rank compared with other late fruit

Carlos, I plan to obtain and give you an avocado fruit from my friend's super fast growing/producing (2-3 years to production) seedling avocado tree sometime in the next few days.

Please feel free to do whatever you like with the seed, propagate it, experiment with its seedling and/or commercialize it.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 15, 2014, 11:02:11 PM
what is the minimum amount of flesh u can test?

I have a good scale...

so my understanding is, I will be taking a portion of my unripe avocado; and removing a wedge from the fruit...I then take that portion of unripe pulp, and shave it down into thin strips...then I weigh the strips...then microwave the strips of pulp on 40% power for about 15 min ...then reweigh, and calculate the difference using the formula provided?
You got it,  do at least 10-15 grams of wet fruit.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 15, 2014, 11:03:21 PM
Leo I will like to do a dry weight test to see how it rank compared with other late fruit

Carlos, I plan to obtain and give you an avocado fruit from my friend's super fast growing/producing (2-3 years to production) seedling avocado tree sometime in the next few days.

Please feel free to do whatever you like with the seed, propagate it, experiment with its seedling and/or commercialize it.
Leo let me know I'll pick up. Thanks
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 15, 2014, 11:09:05 PM
what is the minimum amount of flesh u can test?

I have a good scale...

so my understanding is, I will be taking a portion of my unripe avocado; and removing a wedge from the fruit...I then take that portion of unripe pulp, and shave it down into thin strips...then I weigh the strips...then microwave the strips of pulp on 40% power for about 15 min ...then reweigh, and calculate the difference using the formula provided?
You got it,  do at least 10-15 grams of wet fruit.

thanks Carlos, I will give it a whirl tomorrow.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on January 19, 2014, 07:29:44 PM
Carlos, thanks for picking up. Since planting the seed is not likely to produce the same tree type as the mother tree, I'm considering asking my friend for a graft of his 'Salavar,' fast producing, avocado seedling tree. But first, I'll wait to learn the date of the last fruit left on the tree, then I'll decide whether to ask for a graft or not.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 20, 2014, 09:20:20 PM
Leo, This is the deal with the Salavar, the dry weight came in at a respectable 24.57% A decent dry weight for Florida Fruit.  If you want to compare with others go here http://www.myavocadotrees.com/dry-weight-measurement-in-florida-avocados.html (http://www.myavocadotrees.com/dry-weight-measurement-in-florida-avocados.html)
If I were to guess, since this is a late fruit, that this is a seedling of Semil 34, a fruit that is in supermarkets right now. Imported from DR. Looks very close to it.
The fruit came in at 20.4 oz. With a seed weight of 6.1 oz. Discounting for skin. It has a seed to flesh ratio of about 33%
(http://s9.postimg.cc/yub0e9i4b/IMG_2027.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yub0e9i4b/)
Flavor from the fruit I tasted in your house was pleasant, I like fruit like this to eat with food as a side dish.
The fruit I used for the dry weight even though on the outside it had a lot of scab damage looks decent. I could not eat that one, Dry weight test is done with hard fruit.

If the scab damage is extended in the tree to close to this. Could be an indication of extreme susceptibility.
(http://s12.postimg.cc/3ydija5xl/IMG_2028.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3ydija5xl/)

All of the possible issues, big seed, scab will be forgiven or dealt with if the fruit hangs in the tree to March and it does it on a regular basis. This has real possibilies of filling the void.
Great find Leo.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on January 20, 2014, 10:25:04 PM
Thank you Carlos, and thank you also for the professional/scientific report, very impressive. I'll let you know the last day that the 'Salavar' holds the last fruit, as soon as I learn it from my friend.

Carlos, that is great avocado detective work, with the 'Semil 34' being in Supermarkets now, you're making a believer out of me that the original seed of the 'Salavar' may well most likely have been a 'Semil 34' seed. If that's the case, and if enough 'Semil 34' seeds, bought at the store, are planted, a seedling that will fill the Void could be produced/found. I know it's a lot of ifs, but everything clicks.

If the 'Salavar' seed came from 'Semil 34,' it seems that those seeds grow fast and bear fruit one year from planting in the South Florida climate. And, are accompanied by Nitrogen and minor elements fertilization; my friend only uses dog poop for fertilizer, funny but true. Now it may be just a matter of time, if enough, store bought, 'Semil 34' avocado seeds are planted, one is likely to completly fill the Void, the South Florida winter avocado Void (SFL-wav).

Carlos, as you mentioned, an avocado tree that fills the SFL-wav may already exist in someone's yard already in South Florida. Just like my friend, there may be dozens, if not hundreds, or more, people with avocado seedlings in South Florida. Perhaps one or more of them, already has an avocado fruit bearing seedling that fills the SFL-wav, and although they may be enjoying the fruit, they may not be completly aware of how valuable a tree they have. It's very important that those trees are found and immediatly propagated to save them from extinction by threats like hurricanes, fires, diseases, etc.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 22, 2014, 05:51:43 PM
Salavar avocado seedling more info:
Leo thanks for the picture.  More evaluation.
(http://s30.postimg.cc/bhtl2kejx/photo1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bhtl2kejx/)
Leo Good picture, the tree is full. Yes it can be a 3 year old seedling. It has the shape of a young seedling. In the pictures you can see a lot of fruit and also see the fruit full of scab.  Some times these trees flower every other year. What is amazing is that trees normally unloads, drops fruit like this.

I would love to graft this in my area that I spray 4 times a year with cooper to see how it does. The tree looks deficient in fertilizer and minors. Dog pup is not enough.    Lets see how long it holds the fruit.  If it holds it to the end of February is good and worth spraying five times. If it holds it to mid March even better. But damaged fruit will drop sooner. So will be hard to tell.
Leo, great find great detective work. 8)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: edzone9 on January 22, 2014, 07:46:09 PM
That is awesome news !

Leo please ask your friend if he can sell me 3 Seeds from that tree ;).
Would like to have a seedling of this tree.

Ed..
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Bush2Beach on January 23, 2014, 12:44:13 PM
Dog guano , who knew? I had a buddy who used cat guano for fertilizer , it was not nearly as successfully. ;)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on January 24, 2014, 02:41:07 AM
edzone, you got it, will do and I'll let you know as soon as I can.

Carlos, thank you for posting the photo of the 'Salavar' avocado tree, good job. I just love it when I click on it, I get a blown up photo and I can see all the fruit on the tree, neat.

I'm planning to visit my friend this week and ask him for an air-layer or some bud-wood, or both, as soon as this crop is finished; of which I'll report on the date of the last avocado on the tree.

I still haven't gotten oven the power of seedling fruit trees and specifically this seedling 'Salavar.' According to owner: One year from seed planting, the tree produced two fruits for the very first time; Two years from planting, the tree is now full of avocados.

It's almost funny and ridiculous at the same time, the seedling is full of avocados and the tree is almost 30 feet tall! I know that it's a little much to swallow, that the tree is just 2 years old, but whether it's 2 or 3 years old, either way, it's still the same to me, it's just amazing and astonishing.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: edzone9 on January 24, 2014, 07:12:08 AM
Thanks Leo !
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 24, 2014, 08:20:20 AM
Salavar seed ready to explode. Going in a pot today.

(http://s22.postimg.cc/undr9ru25/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/undr9ru25/)

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Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: HMHausman on January 24, 2014, 11:18:50 AM
I am very late to this super seedling discussion.  An avocado that fruits after one year and is 25 feet after three years and fruiting heavily?  That would be a very, very unexpected set of phenomena in my experience.  So much so, actually, that I would have bet a substantial amount of money that it couldn't have been true. I am assuming that this is being grown in South Florida....not sure if this was specified, but I assuming so since Leo is visiting regularly. I would definitely say that the canine fertilization program has nothing to do with this, unless these dogs are being fed radioactive dog chow.

Its getting very late in the avocado year.  I still have a few Monroe hanging on but this year there has been a very early and scant crop on Oasis, the supposed March avocado.  This seedling does have an larger seed and therefore poorer flesh to seed ratio, but looks like a great find given its lateness and precocity.  If the opportunity to obtain bud wood avails itself, put me on the recipient list, please. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on January 24, 2014, 09:46:25 PM
Carlos, Ha, Ha, stand back to a safe distance, the 'Salavar' seedling is about to make an explosive growth spurt. I don't know if that's normal, but I just gave you those 2 'Salavar' avocados/seeds just a few days ago, and now, just look at them go, amazing. It would be great if there was a slight genetic variation, so that a year from now, you'll get about 2 ripe avocados, smack in the middle of the SFLA avocado void months of February-May, that would be like winning the lottery, good luck. If it does turn out that way, just make sure to name the new variety 'LEOOEL.'

Harry, yes, the super seedling 'Salavar' is in South Florida, and more specifically, Miami, Florida, the home of the super seedling avocado trees. I cannot be any more specific than that, because I have to respect my friends wishes for anonimity. Just to cover all the bases, I'll tell my friend that some Members of the T.F.F. online community are so impressed with the 'Salavar,' that the thought of radioactive dog chow came up, I'm sure he'll get a kick out of that.

Harry, I've got you on the recipient list for some 'Salavar' budwood, and edzone9 for 3 seeds, I'll get back to you guys after visiting my friend this weekend.

All I can say is that they are out there, outstanding seedling varieties that will fill the SFLA avocado void, all you need is to be alert for them. In my case, it was my friend who came to me and started telling me about his special avocado seedling. What peaked my interest, was when he mentioned that the tree bore 2 avocados after one year, and is now full of avocados after just 2 years.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on January 26, 2014, 09:33:45 PM
Edzone9 and Harry, I PM you the information you requested in order to obtain 'Salavar' seed(s) and budwood, please let me know if I can be of further assistance.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on January 31, 2014, 11:25:44 PM
The 'Salavar' avocado seedling is continuing to drop fruit. It does not seem that it will hold fruit beyond February. So far, in 2 (or 3) years from planting, the outstanding qualities of this variety are the speed of tree growth, quantity of fruit production, quality of fruit flesh, and adequate medium sized fruit.

I must say that it's a nice treat to have been eating my friends backyard seedling 'Salavar' avocado all throughout January; I am aware that other quality varieties like 'Monroe' and 'Lula' can also produce the same results.

I can't help but to suspect that if there were to be a slight genetic variation in the planted seeds of the 'Salavar,' this genetic variation could possibly yield a new seedling variety whose fruit ripen in the much sought after avocado fruit void months of February-May.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 01, 2014, 12:33:53 AM
Ismael first and second generation.. Santa Ana CA.seedling of Morao' avocado Guantanamo Cuba.


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Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: edzone9 on February 01, 2014, 09:46:57 AM
I Cant wait to germinate the Salavar seeds , and would be amazing if it fruits after 1 year!..

Thanks again Leo.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on February 01, 2014, 11:04:10 PM
I Cant wait to germinate the Salavar seeds , and would be amazing if it fruits after 1 year!..

Thanks again Leo.

Carlos has told me that there are genetic variations on each seed, just as there are genetic variations in one person to the next. It's really an exciting toss of the dice, figuratively speaking.

What my friend did was, he just planted the seed in his backyard and left it alone. The only fertilization came from his two large dogs, if you know what I mean. Although this may seem a little funny, I'll admit that I've followed suit. I've also fertilized all my young, growing and yet to fruit, fruit trees with dog poop. My friend that owns the 'Salavar' avocado seedling, planted just 4 seeds. One of them is the 'Salavar,' another just produced 2 avocados after just 2 years, and the other two have not produced fruit yet. To me, the 'Salavar' tree looks just amazing, it brings a smile to my face. The tree, the photo is posted on this Thread by Carlos, has the shape of a Christmas tree, and instead of Christmas decorations, it was just full of avocados from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on February 02, 2014, 08:00:13 AM
If your friend would keep it short and spray copper with a good sticker the fruit would look a lot better . The issue with this tree is the susceptibility  to scab.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: HMHausman on February 02, 2014, 08:09:34 AM
I am aware that other quality varieties like 'Monroe' and 'Lula' can also produce the same results.

Yes, this is one of those years when my Monroe is still carrying a few fruits into February.

Thanks for the PM and the further updates.  I will await your announcement as to the availability of scion material.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on February 02, 2014, 05:38:31 PM
Thanks Harry, I'll let you know as soon as it's available, which I suspect it will be sometime this month.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 02, 2014, 10:13:42 PM
Looks like the Kimber will hold fruits into the first few days of February...but they're almost all gone!

It's one of the last trees in my area that has fruits!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on February 03, 2014, 07:19:56 PM
I just grafted a tree with this: Kampong Avocado.
This is Richards Campbell description of this Avocado:
"The Kampong avocado will consistently retain a significant amount of fruit on the tree until March and in some years until May"
More on it http://fshs.org/proceedings-o/2002-vol-115/90-92(Campbell).pdf (http://fshs.org/proceedings-o/2002-vol-115/90-92(Campbell).pdf)

Leo I think this takes care of the void?

I wonder if any forum members have experience with this?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: nullzero on February 03, 2014, 07:24:47 PM
I just grafted a tree with this: Kampong Avocado.
This is Richards Campbell description of this Avocado:
"The Kampong avocado will consistently retain a significant amount of fruit on the tree until March and in some years until May"
More on it http://fshs.org/proceedings-o/2002-vol-115/90-92(Campbell).pdf (http://fshs.org/proceedings-o/2002-vol-115/90-92(Campbell).pdf)

Leo I think this takes care of the void?

I wonder if any forum members have experience with this?

Interesting avocado, the picture shows quite a large seed though.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on February 03, 2014, 10:02:37 PM
All these Late varieties seem to have big seeds. Got this one also:
Brooks Late
Guatemalan-West Indian; fruit, obovoid to round; small to medium size, 10-22 oz., 3 5/16->3 13/16 in. dia.; skin dark green, smooth with rough lenticels, flesh of fair quality, oil content not known; seed very large size, tight in cavity; harvested December to early March.
(http://s4.postimg.cc/7y775hdpl/Brooks_Late.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7y775hdpl/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: zands on February 03, 2014, 11:17:59 PM
Commercial avocado growers want a small seed so that the consumer is happier getting more edible value per dollar. But for a backyard avocado tree why would it matter? I cannot see how it does. Seed size is not a consideration for me. High seed to flesh ratio is a strength. The avocado tree is saying it is more serious about reproduction. 
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on February 04, 2014, 03:14:55 AM
Looks like the Kimber will hold fruits into the first few days of February...but they're almost all gone!

It's one of the last trees in my area that has fruits!

Very nice, congrats, way to go, I've similarly been injoying some of my friend's 'Salavar' avocado fruits throughout January, I can tell you that it has been a nice treat.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on February 04, 2014, 03:21:13 AM
I just grafted a tree with this: Kampong Avocado.
This is Richards Campbell description of this Avocado:
"The Kampong avocado will consistently retain a significant amount of fruit on the tree until March and in some years until May"
More on it http://fshs.org/proceedings-o/2002-vol-115/90-92(Campbell).pdf (http://fshs.org/proceedings-o/2002-vol-115/90-92(Campbell).pdf)

Leo I think this takes care of the void?

I wonder if any forum members have experience with this?

Carlos, wow, good luck, I think you may have done it. Your finding of this ‘Kampong’ avocado may fill the South Florida avocado void, or at least a very large part of the void, if not filling it completely. I can’t wait to hear about the progress of the field testing that you’re doing on this variety.

I can already tell you that from the link information that you’ve provided, it seems to me to be quite a remarkable variety with important quality characteristics.

The information on the Article is very fresh, it was updated by Richard Campbell as recently as 2002!

“Most avocado cultivars in Florida are harvested from July to December, but the Kampong will consistently retain a significant amount of fruit on the tree until March and in some years until May.”
“The tree is vigorous and will grow to large size. The canopy will reach a height and breadth of 20m or more in southern Florida, and still more on fertile soils in the tropics. Grafted trees will bloom and bear fruit 3 to 4 years after planting in the field. The tree has moderate cold tolerance, similar to … ‘Monroe’ and ‘Lula’.”
“The flavor is good to excellent.”
“… a moderate crop can be produced in the home garden without application of fungicides.”
“… the ‘Kampong’ avocado has proved to be a good home garden cultivar in Florida, and it can be recommended for that without reservation.”

Carlos, great Article, thank you for discovering it. I think the ‘Kampong’ is a very important avocado variety. Among the ‘Monroe’ and ‘Lula,’ the ‘Kampong’ is right up there with them as the latest of the late season avocados. The Article gives a precise description of this variety. Also, perhaps by appropriately withholding fertilizer will induce it to hold fruit even later in the season. 

Carlos, congrats, this was really unexpected, great find. I think that I and others may want the ‘Kampong’ avocado really bad. We may finally may have filled the avocado void of Feb.-May and have avocado 24/7, or very close to it.

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

P.S.   Please excuse, couldn’t resist.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: edzone9 on February 04, 2014, 08:02:34 PM
Found this Chart..

http://wellspring100.tripod.com/id6.html (http://wellspring100.tripod.com/id6.html)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on February 04, 2014, 08:30:52 PM
Ed watch that link it has uncontrolled pop up ads
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 04, 2014, 08:51:00 PM
Carlos, Santa Ana is precocious it beard fruits in it's third year from seed so is Ismael.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on February 04, 2014, 09:14:54 PM
Santa Ana is building flower buds right now so I hope it's set some fruit
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 04, 2014, 10:06:14 PM
Santa Ana is building flower buds right now so I hope it's set some fruit

That should hold some fruits for you.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on February 05, 2014, 01:33:49 AM
Found this Chart..

http://wellspring100.tripod.com/id6.html (http://wellspring100.tripod.com/id6.html)

Very nice chart, but it is not dated. Maybe it's before the year 2000. Notice how they omit the avocado 'void' months of April, May and even June.

Perhaps the 'low' mentioned low yield of the 'Kampong' in the chart, can be mitigated by letting the tree grow as large as it will, and thus produce more fruit than a trimmed tree.

By the way, in the Article found by Carlos, Richard Campbell in 2000 describes the production of the 'Kampong' as moderate and not low. I suppose the only real way to find out is to field test it as Carlos is thankfully doing.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 08, 2014, 11:13:57 PM
Guerra avocado from Guantanamo Cuba( second generation of Ismael seedling) is easily the best avo I have had this year. This one went up against California Sir Prize, Hawaii Sharwil  and Hass. It has a firm buttery texture with very high oil context. This West Indian avocado should be commercially propagated it's better than any winter variety I've tasted.

 :o
(http://s27.postimg.cc/dekw1u1tb/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dekw1u1tb/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: ScottR on February 09, 2014, 12:35:52 AM
JF, that Cuban avocado sounds like a winner do you have that growing or a friend?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 09, 2014, 10:37:02 AM
JF, that Cuban avocado sounds like a winner do you have that growing or a friend?

This Cuban avocado was grown from seed in Orange California. I am in the process of convincing the owner to register his varieties with CRFG.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 09, 2014, 05:07:22 PM
More updates on Ismael and Guerra seedlings. Here are pics of the incredible buttery, creamy fruit ( not nutty) that easy beats Reed, Holiday,Sharwil, Carmen, Fuerte ect and any avocado I've tasted in the last two years.

Look at the huge seed on this baby as well as the coloration( reddish for Morado) from first and second generation!! this is a seedling Morado avocado of Oriente Cuba.

Another feature of this fruit is seeds will fruit in THREE year!!


(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_0839.jpg)

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_0840.jpg)

Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: shaneatwell on February 09, 2014, 07:05:41 PM
Plant those seeds for a third generation!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 10, 2014, 12:26:10 AM
Plant those seeds for a third generation!

There is a third generation....I planted 6 six seeds last year and some this year. I've been following this tree for the last two years here is the thread from April 2013 when I first feature these trees... Isabel or Julie will be coming to inspect this tree and add it to the SCREC collection and help us register it with the CRFG.

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=4958.msg67806#msg67806 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=4958.msg67806#msg67806)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: shaneatwell on February 10, 2014, 10:57:24 AM
What generation is getting registered?

More importantly, how long till budwood will be more generally available?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 10, 2014, 12:04:23 PM
What generation is getting registered?

More importantly, how long till budwood will be more generally available?

we will be registering the first and second generation, the tird generation fruit last year and will need to be tested. It will take a few months to get it wrapped up so he should have some trees available by the summer of 2015. Here are pics of Ismael( first generation)vs Sharwill and making it look like chopped liver. Notice the thin skin it peels off like a banana.

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_0843.jpg)

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_0844.jpg)

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_0846.jpg)





Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: shaneatwell on February 10, 2014, 12:30:11 PM
Awesome.

Related to my interested in heirloom plants, i.e. fixing genetics, do you think these are self-crosses? Were there other flowering avos in the area when the parents flowered? And what are the chances that the parents had already gone through several generations of self-crossing in Cuba?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 10, 2014, 08:37:14 PM
Awesome.

Related to my interested in heirloom plants, i.e. fixing genetics, do you think these are self-crosses? Were there other flowering avos in the area when the parents flowered? And what are the chances that the parents had already gone through several generations of self-crossing in Cuba?

answering your three questions

1. I would think so but I couldn't give you a definite answer.
2.tons of avocado pollen are in the air; there are avocado trees everywhere.
3. Morado avocado are common in this region of Cuba, like the Mamey Colorado, they are mostly propagated by seeds.

I prefer Guerra avocado because its unique sweet super creamy flavor but both would blow away any West Indian avocado Pine Island sells. Here is a pic of a 3 pound butterball!


(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_0805.jpg)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Mark in Texas on February 10, 2014, 11:27:46 PM
Does it ripen evenly throughout the fruit?  Looks beautiful although the large seed will be a distraction to many.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 11, 2014, 01:17:48 PM
Does it ripen evenly throughout the fruit?  Looks beautiful although the large seed will be a distraction to many.

The big one ripened uneven so I wrap the uneven half with aluminum foil and it was ready the next day. The rest were in the 1-2 pound range and they ripen perfectly
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 11, 2014, 10:01:28 PM
Here is a two pound California/Cuban Ismael that ripen perfect! This avocado is so intense, oily and creamy when you make guacamole it looks like sour cream!! It's much creamier than Reed....




(http://s17.postimg.cc/dbfnw3xi3/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dbfnw3xi3/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/ckmxqbv4r/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ckmxqbv4r/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: ScottR on February 13, 2014, 10:46:46 PM
Wow Jf, you got be drooling with that description! ;) 8)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 13, 2014, 10:55:15 PM
Wow Jf, you got be drooling with that description! ;) 8)

It taste better than it looks  :)We will get this register with CRFG this year and have some trees in the 2015 green scene.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on February 14, 2014, 08:50:59 PM
Here is a two pound California/Cuban Ismael that ripen perfect! This avocado is so intense, oily and creamy when you make guacamole it looks like sour cream!! It's much creamier than Reed....




(http://s17.postimg.cc/dbfnw3xi3/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dbfnw3xi3/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/ckmxqbv4r/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ckmxqbv4r/)

Is this #1 or #2?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 15, 2014, 12:58:14 PM
Here is a two pound California/Cuban Ismael that ripen perfect! This avocado is so intense, oily and creamy when you make guacamole it looks like sour cream!! It's much creamier than Reed....




(http://s17.postimg.cc/dbfnw3xi3/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dbfnw3xi3/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/ckmxqbv4r/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ckmxqbv4r/)

Is this #1 or #2?

That's Ismael first generation
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on February 15, 2014, 04:18:25 PM
Is second Generation better?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on February 15, 2014, 09:34:51 PM
Is second Generation better?

They are both great....Guerra ( second generation)has a nice sweet flavor but that doesn't take away the high oil content.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: LEOOEL on February 20, 2014, 11:07:40 PM
Edzone9, glad to hear you got the 'Salavar' seeds.

I've been very fortunate to still be gettting 'Salavar' avocados from the owner of the 'Salavar' avocado seedling tree. We're now looking out for how long this will be going on.

BTW, as Carlos has mentioned previously, we're now quickly approaching the depths of the South Florida avocado void months of March and April. Any avocado sightings during those months, especially during the month of April, will be very valuable, important sightings/finds.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: edzone9 on February 21, 2014, 12:16:08 PM
Thanks for the Seeds Leo !.
I already started the germination process ! ..

Ed...
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on April 21, 2014, 08:05:05 PM
Is doing really well. See the latest pictures in my blog http://www.myavocadotrees.com/kimber-avocado.html (http://www.myavocadotrees.com/kimber-avocado.html)

The only observation is that about a month ago it got a bad case of soft scale and subsequent sooty mold. It was the only tree in the grove with that problem I could not believe it. When ever I see one case of sooty mold I go on Defcon 3, If I see 2-3 Defcon 2.  I hate it.

 I don't know it it will flower this year. I'm curious as to flower type.

Also check this, is not a seedling, is an obscure variety, no one grows it,  its not a favorite of packing houses, not sure why,  but it is late fruit and it is superb!!. Utuado http://www.myavocadotrees.com/utuado-avocado.html (http://www.myavocadotrees.com/utuado-avocado.html)

The Utuado seems to be getting ready to set a large amount of fruit. This is a definite Keeper for Homeowners. Tasty fruit, good fruit set. So far some resistance to desease.  With a season of October to early December, is the avocado to have before the Monroes go on line
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 22, 2014, 12:02:25 AM
reminds me..i gotta check the kimber mother tree to see if its blooming now.

Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on April 22, 2014, 11:37:56 AM
reminds me..i gotta check the kimber mother tree to see if its blooming now.

The Kimber did not flower on its first year post grafting. Probably next year.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: BMc on June 08, 2014, 06:01:24 AM
Picked these up from an elderly couple at the market last week. Very large size (over 6 inch average size) and lots of flesh. Not the most meaty or oily texture, but it has a great flavour with a hint of sweetness. Beautiful fruit too, even ripening etc. I'm trying to find the owners to try to graft one up. I'd like to eat one every other day at this time of year.. They said it was grown from seed years ago.


(http://s9.postimg.cc/dtgnos60r/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dtgnos60r/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/6c7g9kghn/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6c7g9kghn/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on June 11, 2014, 10:56:31 PM
A La Habra landmark, San Jose avocado, West Indian Race. This is a summer 3 pound cannon ball avocado with a rich creamy flavor, similar to Holiday, large tree 40'and super producer. This one beat Catalina in taste and it's about the same size. Perfect tree for Miami with a high oil content.  I will cut one open in august.

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_1231.jpg)

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_1232.jpg)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: nullzero on June 11, 2014, 11:42:31 PM
JF,

Great pictures, its making me drool just looking at them. You have access to budwood?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on June 11, 2014, 11:58:35 PM
JF,


Great pictures, its making me drool just looking at them. You have access to budwood?

Nullzy
They are excellent. I will give you budwood before you leave to Florida.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: nullzero on June 12, 2014, 12:02:55 AM
JF,


Great pictures, its making me drool just looking at them. You have access to budwood?

Nullzy
They are excellent. I will give you budwood before you leave to Florida.

JF,

Your very generous with that offer, thanks.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 04, 2014, 04:58:47 PM
Carlos,

just wondering if your Kimber tree produced flowers this year?

the mother tree near me is loaded with fruits....I think they'll hold on the tree again until late Jan, early Feb.

Hope all is well by you!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on July 04, 2014, 07:21:57 PM
No did not only a few no fruit set. Typical of trees during first flowering after top working. Do expect some next year.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 05, 2015, 05:10:11 PM
the Kimber avocado is pumping out a big crop...i got one of the larger fruits (some are even bigger way up in the canopy)...looks like they will hold right until early Feb...not bad if you ask me....I don't see any other avocados with fruit on them in my area.

here are some pics of the fruit...it had fallen out of the tree, but I cut off the bad portion, and put the rest in the fridge...let's see how long it lasts without turning doo-doo brown.

(http://s16.postimg.cc/ov8qg4yc1/IMG_0458.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ov8qg4yc1/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/7ls9hj8i9/IMG_0459.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7ls9hj8i9/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/mgguvpi35/IMG_0460.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mgguvpi35/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/c2kmg7mq9/IMG_0464.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/c2kmg7mq9/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: bradflorida on January 05, 2015, 10:46:00 PM
Cool round shape of the Kimber!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: ScottR on January 05, 2015, 11:15:55 PM
Gott 8) 8)a have scion wood :o
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 08, 2015, 09:43:14 PM
after 3 days in the fridge...not looking too bad...only a few soft spots where the fruit was rubbed by the plastic bag.

I'll make guac out of it tomorrow.  :D
(http://s10.postimg.cc/r4ec94hat/IMG_0471.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/r4ec94hat/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/hl4nfntsl/IMG_0472.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hl4nfntsl/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 18, 2015, 07:09:18 PM
Kimber avocado is still holding fruits in mid February!  It's proving to be a decent late season fruit!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on February 18, 2015, 07:34:29 PM
My Kimber  tree is a decent size, did not set fruit last year but should set some fruit this year is about 12 ft tall. We'll see how it does here in Homestead.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 18, 2015, 07:40:42 PM
My Kimber  tree is a decent size, did not set fruit last year but should set some fruit this year is about 12 ft tall. We'll see how it does here in Homestead.

Carlos,

thanks for the update, I hope it turns out to be a winner for you.

I will let you know how long the fruit holds on the tree this year.

This year there are some monster fruits.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on February 18, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
This is how most of these trees that hold late fruit work. If you let them all drop off the tree will probably not even flower next year. If it does is a winner. Even for your area if it holds fruit to March 1.
Some people  with trees like that will pick 1/2 leave some branches clean to allow then to recuperate and set fruit the following year.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on February 19, 2015, 05:19:09 PM
Stopped by the Kimber tree today. Looks real good has some open flowers and a lot of flowers buds on the way. Looks promesing.
(http://s14.postimg.cc/l5uihkr71/IMG_3073.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/l5uihkr71/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/4w4ceogj1/IMG_3074.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4w4ceogj1/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/eupb15pyl/IMG_4868.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/eupb15pyl/)
Kimber tree in the center 12-14 ft tall
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 19, 2015, 05:42:56 PM
hahaha Carlos,

your Kimber tree is almost as big as the mother tree!!!

Wow...nice job growing...you are in avocado paradise.

thanks for sharing pics, please let me know if you get some fruits to set.

(i'm going to call mr Kimber to see if there are any fruits hanging on the tree still...and if so, how they handle this cold weather)

If I remember correctly the Kimber is a bit more sensitive than the typical avocado seedlings I see around central FL...I'll be curious to see what damage occurs if it goes down to 29F.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on February 19, 2015, 10:16:50 PM
In the picture above to the left is a Queen, to the right another local seedling both grafted before the Kimber and the Kimber is 4-5 ft taller.  Seems a bit suseptible here to soft scale and the subsequent sooty mold
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 27, 2015, 01:51:16 PM
Kimber still holding fruits!  the last of them will be gone by early March.


(http://s10.postimg.cc/kbf80r92t/IMG_0863.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kbf80r92t/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/dd6ih2lkl/IMG_0864.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dd6ih2lkl/)
 
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on February 27, 2015, 04:37:04 PM
If they leave the fruit until they drop I wonder if it will even flower and set a new crop this year. That is the true measure for a late variety.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 27, 2015, 05:41:09 PM
If they leave the fruit until they drop I wonder if it will even flower and set a new crop this year. That is the true measure for a late variety.

Carlos,

that's what happened last year...and the crop this year was just as big..if not bigger...nobody maintains the tree, or picks the fruits...they all fall...

Mr. Kimber is not the owner of the tree, he just lives near it.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on March 06, 2015, 08:26:29 PM
Guerra avocado from Guantanamo Cuba( second generation of Ismael seedling) is easily the best avo I have had this year. This one went up against California Sir Prize, Hawaii Sharwil  and Hass. It has a firm buttery texture with very high oil context. This West Indian avocado should be commercially propagated it's better than any winter variety I've tasted.

 :o
(http://s27.postimg.cc/dekw1u1tb/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dekw1u1tb/)
FJ is this what I call Ismael 2?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on March 26, 2015, 08:56:58 PM
Here is Ismael 2 the best avocado I've had this year. This West Indian/Guatemala avocado is much more nutty and creamier than the first generation( Ismael 1)


(http://s30.postimg.cc/luboou4zh/IMG_3182.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/luboou4zh/)

(http://s30.postimg.cc/cl9iepw3h/IMG_3183.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cl9iepw3h/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 26, 2015, 09:00:07 PM
looks excellent JF.

Is Carlos growing this already?  It would be nice to know how it does in FL, and how it handles the cold.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on March 26, 2015, 09:03:46 PM
looks excellent JF.

Is Carlos growing this already?  It would be nice to know how it does in FL, and how it handles the cold.

I've distributed budwood to Miami it should be a winner, no problem. Seedling from Guantanamo Cuba breaded here in Orange California.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on March 26, 2015, 11:12:58 PM
looks excellent JF.

Is Carlos growing this already?  It would be nice to know how it does in FL, and how it handles the cold.

I've distributed budwood to Miami it should be a winner, no problem. Seedling from Guantanamo Cuba breaded here in Orange California.

I have opened two  pages ismael 1 and Ismael 2 both flowering as we speak and hopefully setting fruit
Title: Fuits of my avocados tree
Post by: joaave on April 26, 2015, 07:28:48 PM
I show you pics of the fruit of my avocados tree.


(http://s9.postimg.cc/71xv565l7/IMG_3124.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/71xv565l7/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/f05bvql89/IMG_3125.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/f05bvql89/)

(http://s3.postimg.cc/lg2ndd7gf/IMG_3126.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lg2ndd7gf/)
Title: Re: Fuits of my avocados tree
Post by: ScottR on April 26, 2015, 09:37:05 PM
Do you know or have names of these avocado's? Nice pic and nice selection of avocado's 8) 8)
Title: Re: Fuits of my avocados tree
Post by: joaave on April 26, 2015, 09:47:09 PM
no my friend, our tree was from seedling we' had lucky , are deliciuous the fruit
Title: Re: Fuits of my avocados tree
Post by: Viking Guy on April 26, 2015, 09:52:20 PM
So big.  Nice seedling results!
Title: Re: Fuits of my avocados tree
Post by: joaave on April 26, 2015, 09:57:12 PM
yes Adam so much lucky . my father germinated the tree 15 years ago.really are goods
Title: Re: Fuits of my avocados tree
Post by: RichardN on April 26, 2015, 10:03:59 PM
Wow, tortilla chips and guacamole.
Title: Re: Fuits of my avocados tree
Post by: raiders36 on April 26, 2015, 10:12:27 PM
woot! woo! thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Fuits of my avocados tree
Post by: zands on April 26, 2015, 10:22:16 PM
yes Adam so much lucky . my father germinated the tree 15 years ago.really are goods

First year it got fruits? When was this?  The fruits look delicious!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: joaave on April 27, 2015, 08:25:40 AM
dont friend, the first fruiting was at  5 -6 years old of age, actually more than 15 years the tree.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on May 02, 2015, 01:32:27 AM
Hanssen Red avocado. I when back to follow up, fruits have been ripening and coloring up....this is a 6-7 year old seedling from Oaxaca MX


(http://s14.postimg.cc/ncf06pnfh/IMG_3356.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ncf06pnfh/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: ScottR on May 02, 2015, 11:10:22 AM
Frank, that looks like a nice Mexican variety please keep us informed on taste when you get a chance to try it, looks like a good one to get scion wood from! ;) 8)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on May 16, 2015, 12:35:24 PM
Kimber avocado set a nice crop. Seems like a good producer for Dade County. The next question is maturity period
(http://s14.postimg.cc/4cntixz6l/IMG_0038.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4cntixz6l/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/h2s1w174t/IMG_0039.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/h2s1w174t/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/5g7xuwjtp/IMG_0040.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5g7xuwjtp/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 16, 2015, 02:54:39 PM
Carlos,
thanks for the update, it brings me joy to see you fruiting this tree in Dade Co!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on May 16, 2015, 03:25:39 PM
Me too. So far the fruit looks very clean. This tree is in a section of my grove I call "scab paradise". Cant wait to see maturity time.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: behlgarden on May 19, 2015, 05:49:56 PM
JF and I went to the location of this red/purple shiny avacado that happens to be a seedling of Hansen big red avacado. It fruited for the first time after 7 years and what a beauty it is. Taste test is upon us and will be done in next few weeks and if it turns out to be excellent we will propagate it later this summer. As its ripening now the color is turning to shiny dark red/purple on the tree. the new years crop is loaded so its a heavy producer as well.

(http://s4.postimg.cc/6fuiy0z8p/20150519_135726.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6fuiy0z8p/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on May 19, 2015, 07:38:07 PM
JF and I went to the location of this red/purple shiny avacado that happens to be a seedling of Hansen big red avacado. It fruited for the first time after 7 years and what a beauty it is. Taste test is upon us and will be done in next few weeks and if it turns out to be excellent we will propagate it later this summer. As its ripening now the color is turning to shiny dark red/purple on the tree. the new years crop is loaded so its a heavy producer as well.

(http://s4.postimg.cc/6fuiy0z8p/20150519_135726.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6fuiy0z8p/)
This looks very nice. Please keep us posted. All those reds have a lot of west indies in them
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on May 19, 2015, 09:11:30 PM
JF and I went to the location of this red/purple shiny avacado that happens to be a seedling of Hansen big red avacado. It fruited for the first time after 7 years and what a beauty it is. Taste test is upon us and will be done in next few weeks and if it turns out to be excellent we will propagate it later this summer. As its ripening now the color is turning to shiny dark red/purple on the tree. the new years crop is loaded so its a heavy producer as well.

(http://s4.postimg.cc/6fuiy0z8p/20150519_135726.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6fuiy0z8p/)

Behl, the tree is an unkonown seedling from Oaxaca MX it's called Hansen Red avocado
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on May 20, 2015, 09:20:57 PM
JF, have you tested it? How is it?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on May 20, 2015, 11:37:28 PM
JF, have you tested it? How is it?

I haven't had it yet. The owners have had a few ripen and they said it was excellent. I'm going to harvest 2 tomorrow for Behl and I to try before we go on vacation.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 30, 2015, 06:22:06 PM
Carlos!

this is the first year (after about 3yrs of consistent fruiting) I have seen the Kimber refuse to flower!

maybe due to drought? or some other factor?

if it blooms late, I will let you know!

I see the tree you have is doing well!  maybe the fruits will hold on the tree until Feb/March like they did for us this year in Central FL.
If they leave the fruit until they drop I wonder if it will even flower and set a new crop this year. That is the true measure for a late variety.

Carlos,

that's what happened last year...and the crop this year was just as big..if not bigger...nobody maintains the tree, or picks the fruits...they all fall...

Mr. Kimber is not the owner of the tree, he just lives near it.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on June 30, 2015, 11:49:42 PM
Seedling from Yucatan Mantequilla..
btw, Hansen Red turned out to be high quality avocado creamy and nutty Behl has a pic but I cant find it.


(http://s13.postimg.cc/a4wplllur/IMG_4020.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a4wplllur/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: ScottR on July 01, 2015, 11:24:28 AM
Frank or Behl, what is this Hansen Red parentage as far as you know mexXguat or guatX?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 01, 2015, 11:26:27 AM
beautiful seedling!
Seedling from Yucatan Mantequilla..
btw, Hansen Red turned out to be high quality avocado creamy and nutty Behl has a pic but I cant find it.


(http://s13.postimg.cc/a4wplllur/IMG_4020.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a4wplllur/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on July 01, 2015, 02:48:52 PM
Carlos!

this is the first year (after about 3yrs of consistent fruiting) I have seen the Kimber refuse to flower!

maybe due to drought? or some other factor?

if it blooms late, I will let you know!

I see the tree you have is doing well!  maybe the fruits will hold on the tree until Feb/March like they did for us this year in Central FL.
If they leave the fruit until they drop I wonder if it will even flower and set a new crop this year. That is the true measure for a late variety.

Carlos,

that's what happened last year...and the crop this year was just as big..if not bigger...nobody maintains the tree, or picks the fruits...they all fall...

Mr. Kimber is not the owner of the tree, he just lives near it.
Some times later fruit trees will not flower specially if the fruit is left in the tree to drop. The tree needs tome to re-energize. Almost all late varieties do that.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: joaave on July 12, 2015, 12:55:21 PM
today i recived a gift , delicious


(http://s23.postimg.cc/7wexay65z/IMG_3291.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7wexay65z/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on August 29, 2015, 06:50:14 PM
Adam,  Kimber Avocado looking real good. Terrific producer

(http://s14.postimg.cc/o84qhr43x/IMG_0519.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/o84qhr43x/)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/7qqoftje1/IMG_0517.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7qqoftje1/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on August 29, 2015, 07:18:41 PM
Adam,  Kimber Avocado looking real good. Terrific producer

(http://s14.postimg.cc/o84qhr43x/IMG_0519.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/o84qhr43x/)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/7qqoftje1/IMG_0517.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7qqoftje1/)

thanks for the update Carlos!

I hope it turns out to be a valuable addition to your collection!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: zands on August 29, 2015, 09:32:33 PM
South Florida is flooded with watery type, West Indian race avocados right now. Three for  a dollar at Broward Meat and Fish. I bought a few. Mash them up with one tbsp of salt saturated water and they have lots of taste. Add and mash into this whatever you like..... some cilantro, lemon juice, balsamic vinegar, garlic, onion, black pepper as you please
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on August 30, 2015, 10:59:20 AM
The Simmods avocado I have tasted this year are far from watery. Since we had an early dry season they are really the best I can remember.

This picture is from a new seedling I'm testing looks very promising Ismael 2 Avocado
http://www.myavocadotrees.com/ismael-2.html (http://www.myavocadotrees.com/ismael-2.html)


(http://s12.postimg.cc/qrap0flnt/IMG_0522.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qrap0flnt/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/yjmacganf/IMG_0524.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yjmacganf/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on September 02, 2015, 12:54:35 AM
JF and I went to the location of this red/purple shiny avacado that happens to be a seedling of Hansen big red avacado. It fruited for the first time after 7 years and what a beauty it is. Taste test is upon us and will be done in next few weeks and if it turns out to be excellent we will propagate it later this summer. As its ripening now the color is turning to shiny dark red/purple on the tree. the new years crop is loaded so its a heavy producer as well.

(http://s4.postimg.cc/6fuiy0z8p/20150519_135726.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6fuiy0z8p/)

Update on this super everbearing avocado from Santa Ana CA by way of seed from Oaxaca MX, Hansen Red has produce a mammoth second crop, over 200 pieces. It will start flowering in a month and the cycle continues. It has fruits in every direction, the taste is creamy nutty thin skin small seed everything you want from a mexican avocado.....and it's red ;D these will be propagated this fall

 
(http://s4.postimg.cc/9zw1zarex/IMG_4578.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9zw1zarex/)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/9pojfycsp/IMG_4580.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9pojfycsp/)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/wpv6saamh/IMG_4581.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wpv6saamh/)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/gb19fpsnd/IMG_4582.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gb19fpsnd/)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/oht97aiq1/IMG_4583.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/oht97aiq1/)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/r48ro89xl/IMG_4586.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/r48ro89xl/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on September 02, 2015, 12:59:28 AM
The Simmods avocado I have tasted this year are far from watery. Since we had an early dry season they are really the best I can remember.

This picture is from a new seedling I'm testing looks very promising Ismael 2 Avocado
http://www.myavocadotrees.com/ismael-2.html (http://www.myavocadotrees.com/ismael-2.html)


(http://s12.postimg.cc/qrap0flnt/IMG_0522.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qrap0flnt/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/yjmacganf/IMG_0524.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yjmacganf/)

This local avocado,Ismael 1&2 will also be propagated this fall along with Hansen everbearing Red will take pre orders
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: Delvi83 on September 02, 2015, 07:58:42 AM
Your Avocado look amazing :) !! A tree seems to have more fruits than leaves eheh
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: johnb51 on September 02, 2015, 03:57:36 PM
Lots of exciting developments in the world of avocados!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on September 03, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
JF,

Great pictures, its making me drool just looking at them. You have access to budwood?

Update on San Jose thousands of avocados this year on this WI Guatemalan race avocado


(http://s14.postimg.cc/9z52c97zh/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9z52c97zh/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/andwv76p9/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/andwv76p9/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/y07czyxf1/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/y07czyxf1/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on October 05, 2015, 08:59:12 PM
Hansen Red are larger. Here it is next top Hass

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_8349.jpg)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: ScottR on October 06, 2015, 11:35:08 AM
Beautiful cado's frank thanks for posting. 8)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: barath on October 06, 2015, 11:41:54 AM
I'd like to try the Hansen Red variety in the inland areas here in Northern California (areas that are zone 9b or even 9a), to see if it's able to handle the cold.  If it can, it'll be preferable to the cold-hardy varieties folks are growing right now.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on October 06, 2015, 01:28:13 PM
I'd like to try the Hansen Red variety in the inland areas here in Northern California (areas that are zone 9b or even 9a), to see if it's able to handle the cold.  If it can, it'll be preferable to the cold-hardy varieties folks are growing right now.

Barath

We've grafted some up and they'll be ready late spring 2016
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: barath on October 06, 2015, 02:10:51 PM
I'd like to try the Hansen Red variety in the inland areas here in Northern California (areas that are zone 9b or even 9a), to see if it's able to handle the cold.  If it can, it'll be preferable to the cold-hardy varieties folks are growing right now.

Barath

We've grafted some up and they'll be ready late spring 2016

Do you know if a couple scions might be available in late winter / early spring?  The test trees I'd graft this onto are already in the ground.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on October 06, 2015, 02:53:19 PM
I'd like to try the Hansen Red variety in the inland areas here in Northern California (areas that are zone 9b or even 9a), to see if it's able to handle the cold.  If it can, it'll be preferable to the cold-hardy varieties folks are growing right now.

Barath

We've grafted some up and they'll be ready late spring 2016

Do you know if a couple scions might be available in late winter / early spring?  The test trees I'd graft this onto are already in the ground.
Barath PM me
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: ScottR on October 07, 2015, 11:34:15 AM
Frank, has this Hansen Red avocado growing any where down South that has experienced any type of cold weather, say down to 30-27F just wondering if it has any cold hardiness in it's gen's?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on October 07, 2015, 12:02:40 PM
Frank, has this Hansen Red avocado growing any where down South that has experienced any type of cold weather, say down to 30-27F just wondering if it has any cold hardiness in it's gen's?

Robert
The seed was planted in Tustin so it rarely sees 40F. The seedling fruited after 7 years which is normal for avocados.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: ScottR on October 08, 2015, 11:51:57 AM
Thanks Frank, that is about what I would expect with W.I. gen's  8)It's a beauty for sure but too tender for me up here on Central coast I think! :-\
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on October 09, 2015, 12:29:43 AM
Hansen Red vs Hass


(http://s16.postimg.cc/huml4pye9/IMG_8359.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/huml4pye9/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/7lu3ywach/IMG_8361.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7lu3ywach/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: ScottR on October 09, 2015, 11:31:30 AM
Wow Frank, that Hansen Red has nice flesh to seed ratio and nice size ;) 8)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on October 09, 2015, 01:48:28 PM
Wow Frank, that Hansen Red has nice flesh to seed ratio and nice size ;) 8)

Robert

You can see the size of Hansen Red it's smooth skin and meaty flesh make it an attractive fruit
The taste is creamy, nutty , sweet  and the flesh to seed ratio is superior to Hass
Add to these fine qualities a very long season. The two blooms will take it from April to December.....a winner
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on October 20, 2015, 10:27:34 PM
Adam the Kimber is a keeper. Can't wait to try it. Fruit is holding on. Holding lots of it.

(http://s8.postimg.cc/lksu92g8h/IMG_0691.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lksu92g8h/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/icocw0typ/IMG_4868.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/icocw0typ/)
31 oz Cannon ball

http://www.myavocadotrees.com/kimber-avocado.html (http://www.myavocadotrees.com/kimber-avocado.html)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 20, 2015, 11:08:34 PM
Carlos,

I really appreciate the photos and info! (I have been checking your website for updates)

I will be sure to tell my friend John Kimber...he's going to be happy to hear you are impressed by this tree.

He's planted almost 50 seeds from this tree, I suppose he's going to graft some...he better do it now before it gets too cold!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: ScottR on October 21, 2015, 11:03:05 AM
That is one big avocado nice size can't wait to hear taste test ! Carlos or Adam, is the Kimber avocado W.I. or Guat.or X do we know?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on October 21, 2015, 05:54:27 PM
No one would know for sure unless DNA test is done. But I suspect is a WI X G hybrid of sorts
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 21, 2015, 06:04:32 PM
No one would know for sure unless DNA test is done. But I suspect is a WI X G hybrid of sorts

for some reason I was under the impression it's of the Guatemalan race.....the closest thing I have seen so far is a variety called "Nabal"

maybe it is a seedling of this tree? or a close relative?

http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/images/mia/persea/m00656c3.jpg (http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/images/mia/persea/m00656c3.jpg)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on October 21, 2015, 06:32:16 PM
There are a lot of WI X G  Monroe, Beta, Lula, Choquette, Hall and many more I would say at least 60-70% of what is grown is WXG
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: ScottR on October 21, 2015, 07:07:14 PM
Thanks for quick reply might be worth a try over in Ca. Adam, do you know if the mother tree ever experienced freezing temps.? 8)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 21, 2015, 07:32:21 PM
Thanks for quick reply might be worth a try over in Ca. Adam, do you know if the mother tree ever experienced freezing temps.? 8)

definitely has survived some freezes...but is cold sensitive...

I'm guessing it will die when temps stay below 27F for an extended period of time....but brief exposure to a mature tree should not cause severe damage or a fatality.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on October 28, 2015, 07:50:49 PM
October 28, 2015: The long awaited moment, A very nice avocado Let me tell you why: Creamy, good taste, peels easily , a small seed for its size.  First it turns black as it ripens, It probably would have been better two days ago. It is so dense that it did not give in to the touch but it was ready> My grove is very early as it compares with other place. I would venture to say this will be a November to December fruit in Miami. Let's see how long it stays in the tree. It could have a long picking season.  I will pick a couple of fruit before weeks end. I like it because it comes in before the Monroes. The official pick for Monroes in the first week of November but I do like them better after Thanksgiving. See today's pictures. This is a keeper.

(http://s30.postimg.cc/58z73wxi5/IMG_0709.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/58z73wxi5/)

(http://s30.postimg.cc/4yw9yb89p/IMG_0711.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4yw9yb89p/)

(http://s30.postimg.cc/jtg9yqsgt/IMG_0712.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jtg9yqsgt/)

(http://s30.postimg.cc/ys3a6wwwt/IMG_0713.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ys3a6wwwt/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 28, 2015, 10:23:05 PM
thanks for sharing the pics and the great review!

it definitely took me a while to figure out when to eat them, they seem to be best right when they start to look ugly on the outside, but not totally black.

the main attribute that comes to mind with Kimber, is creamy and smooth...with a mild flavor, nothing crazy...just a good smooth avocado...I'd like to see this one used for an icecream!
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: JF on November 30, 2015, 04:46:25 PM
I just passed by San Jose avocado and I was surprise to see it's still holding hundreds of fruits! It started in late August and it will easily hold fruits into next year....looks like the second crop is as good or better than the first.




(http://s12.postimg.cc/5cbvcro95/IMG_5360.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5cbvcro95/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 15, 2015, 12:08:00 AM
Carlos,

how are those kimber fruits holding up?

do you think they will hang on until mid Jan or later??

are you enjoying the flavor?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on December 16, 2015, 11:15:52 PM
As of now the larger fruit has dropped. A lot of 1-1.25lb  fruit is holding on. Flavor is getting better. With this heat and rain it would be a miracle if they hold past mid January but 50-100 miles north should not be a problem. Very heavy producer.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: fourseasonsflorida on January 19, 2016, 05:43:26 PM
It's amazing how many great seedling avocados there are.  Most of the avocado trees around here are grown from seed and I haven't tasted one that was bad.  I think part of it is that, regardless of the avocado type, if its homegrown, you can let them fall off the tree - then you know they have reached the right stage.  Vast majority of the named varieties grown commercially are picked too early and even when "ripe", do not taste right.

A few doors down, a neighbor has an avocado tree with a few limbs actually hanging over the street.  It's dropping fruit right now.  Some of it ends up at the curb or in the grass by the road.  Some of it splits a bit upon hitting the ground.  But, they ripen in a couple days and are still plenty edible.  I walk down the street every day and there's usually one or two laying there.  The people don't even eat them and there's rotting fruit laying on the ground - so I don't feel the least bit guilty!  Here's what they look like... about 4 inch diameter, almost spherical.  Any ideas of what the parent may be?

(http://s9.postimg.cc/3y963f90r/IMG_20160117_144116727.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3y963f90r/)
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 19, 2016, 06:25:11 PM
As of now the larger fruit has dropped. A lot of 1-1.25lb  fruit is holding on. Flavor is getting better. With this heat and rain it would be a miracle if they hold past mid January but 50-100 miles north should not be a problem. Very heavy producer.

Carlos,

hope all is well, how is Kimber crop holding up?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 02, 2017, 02:41:35 AM
Carlos,

Happy new year, hope all is well.

did the kimber hold up for you?

or did you scrap it?

I'm wondering it's even fruited this year, or did it skip?  and also if the harvesting season is shifting, getting later or earlier?
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: CTMIAMI on January 02, 2017, 08:35:07 AM
Yes it fruited and produced a lot but only lasted to end of November all fruit dropped by them. Monroe still a better  producer and better tasting along with Semil and others.
Title: Re: Your favorite local seedling Avocado?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 02, 2017, 12:36:28 PM
Yes it fruited and produced a lot but only lasted to end of November all fruit dropped by them. Monroe still a better  producer and better tasting along with Semil and others.

Thanks for the update!