Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice

[Squam256]

For anyone in the Sarasota/Venice area who might be interested, I’ll be giving a talk about Sapodilla to the Suncoast Rare fruit and vegetable Club in Nokomis tonight starting around 7:00. I’ll also field mango related questions at the end if people want to ask.
The address is:
Nokomis Community Center
234 Nippino Trail East, Nokomis, FL 34275

[achetadomestica]

Will there be a recording made?

[Fiddler]

Damn! I just noticed this!
   I wish you had posted earlier. I missed the boat.
   What's the furthest north on Florida's gulf coast where sapodillas can be successfully grown?
   I'm in South Sarasota County and my attempt failed years ago and I've been afraid to try again. I know these trees do well on Pine Island, but that's its own microclimate.

[shpaz]

Please record it!

[achetadomestica]

Damn! I just noticed this!
   I wish you had posted earlier. I missed the boat.
   What's the furthest north on Florida's gulf coast where sapodillas can be successfully grown?
   I'm in South Sarasota County and my attempt failed years ago and I've been afraid to try again. I know these trees do well on Pine Island, but that's its own microclimate.

We were 30F last year and my sapodillas didn't blink. Another forum member from Lakeland was
colder and commented on their resilience. I planted a Morena on the South side of a huge oak and
it barely grew. I dug it up and put it in full sun and it is finally flushing. 

[Cookie Monster]

They're tough plants, and the fruit is quite good as well. One of my favorite fruits to grow here.

Damn! I just noticed this!
   I wish you had posted earlier. I missed the boat.
   What's the furthest north on Florida's gulf coast where sapodillas can be successfully grown?
   I'm in South Sarasota County and my attempt failed years ago and I've been afraid to try again. I know these trees do well on Pine Island, but that's its own microclimate.

We were 30F last year and my sapodillas didn't blink. Another forum member from Lakeland was
colder and commented on their resilience. I planted a Morena on the South side of a huge oak and
it barely grew. I dug it up and put it in full sun and it is finally flushing.

[Vernmented]

Great talk Alex! This is the new variety/varieties I was talking about. The picture is different than the Thomas you showed.

[Squam256]

Great talk Alex! This is the new variety/varieties I was talking about. The picture is different than the Thomas you showed.

I’m not sure what that enlongated one is, i’ll have to ask about them.

[Squam256]

Damn! I just noticed this!
   I wish you had posted earlier. I missed the boat.
   What's the furthest north on Florida's gulf coast where sapodillas can be successfully grown?
   I'm in South Sarasota County and my attempt failed years ago and I've been afraid to try again. I know these trees do well on Pine Island, but that's its own microclimate.

If you can protect them the first few years while they’re establishing, you should be fine. Seen people growing them as far north as Tampa and Orlando. They have better cold hardiness than mango once they get some size to them.

[Cookie Monster]

Looks like ZHPP has an active facebook presence finally.

Funny thing is -- I actually prefer the gritty saps to the creamy ones. But no one propagates the gritty ones, so they only come from seedlings.

[Squam256]

Looks like ZHPP has an active facebook presence finally.

Funny thing is -- I actually prefer the gritty saps to the creamy ones. But no one propagates the gritty ones, so they only come from seedlings.

Excalibur has done some I think. Like Brown Sugar and Prolific

[Cookie Monster]

That's good to know. I might grab one . Thanks for the tip.

Looks like ZHPP has an active facebook presence finally.

Funny thing is -- I actually prefer the gritty saps to the creamy ones. But no one propagates the gritty ones, so they only come from seedlings.

Excalibur has done some I think. Like Brown Sugar and Prolific

[C24mccain]

Fiddler as acededomestica noted I am the person who lives in Lakeland and had a very young Hasya sapodilla survive a 25* night last year. I will post video link where I actually record the temperature that morning while I was outside protecting mango trees with burn barrels. You can also verify the temperature online where 24.8 was recorded at the airport not even a mile from my house. In the video there is only a quick glance of the camera at the sapodilla from a distance as I wasn't videoing that tree specifically. My other updated videos show the tree never even had a burnt leaf on it. It still boggles my mind why it survived untouched however the tree has been slow growing and I believe a state of dormancy probably played a role in it's survival. Two other saps I covered and protected. I actually left the Hasya for dead that night expecting it would die but to my surprise in survived. That night was a 6 hour freeze with at least 4 of them 28 or less. It was a bad night. The tree is still my slowest growing out of three saps and not sure why. Here is the link to that night: https://youtu.be/EJ6-mF9z73Y.  Here is the latest update video on that Hasya sapodilla shown in the very beginning of the video: https://youtu.be/erDI7zNbWnU

[Frog Valley Farm]

Great talk Alex! This is the new variety/varieties I was talking about. The picture is different than the Thomas you showed.

I’m not sure what that enlongated one is, i’ll have to ask about them.

Zills large Sapodillas are Gigantea (pictured?) and Ox.  We have some Gigantea we bought last year that have plenty of fruit on them now.

[mangokothiyan]

Looks like ZHPP has an active facebook presence finally.

Funny thing is -- I actually prefer the gritty saps to the creamy ones. But no one propagates the gritty ones, so they only come from seedlings.

Excalibur has done some I think. Like Brown Sugar and Prolific

Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?

[Cookie Monster]

Search for prolific here: https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/sapodilla.html

An old time variety that is reported to bear heavily. Sounds like a winner in my book. I think the newer cultivars might be focused on smoother flesh?

[Vernmented]

Great talk Alex! This is the new variety/varieties I was talking about. The picture is different than the Thomas you showed.

I’m not sure what that enlongated one is, i’ll have to ask about them.

Zills large Sapodillas are Gigantea (pictured?) and Ox.  We have some Gigantea we bought last year that have plenty of fruit on them now.

These are supposed to be new varieties being released this Spring possibly. One of them came from Squam's orchard. I am going to pick up a Gigantea the next time I over on the East Coast. I am not really a fan of Ox.

[mangokothiyan]

Search for prolific here: https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/sapodilla.html

An old time variety that is reported to bear heavily. Sounds like a winner in my book. I think the newer cultivars might be focused on smoother flesh?

Sure does sound like a winner. Wonder why it is not widely talked about?

[Ulfr]

Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?

I know people here (AUS) aren’t happy with prolifics production. Mike is one of them (I think he cut his down), I’m sure he will chime in if he sees this thread.


Edit: here you go http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16922.msg214735#msg214735

[Cookie Monster]

Maybe it just wants a particular nutrient profile to be productive? I blast my saps with a lot of nitrogen, which seems to have a big impact on production. I've heard a lot of folks complain about lack of production from haysa, but mine produces a boatload of fruit... actually snapped a branch a couple of months ago.

Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?

I know people here (AUS) aren’t happy with prolifics production. Mike is one of them (I think he cut his down), I’m sure he will chime in if he sees this thread.


Edit: here you go http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16922.msg214735#msg214735

[mangokothiyan]

Maybe it just wants a particular nutrient profile to be productive? I blast my saps with a lot of nitrogen, which seems to have a big impact on production. I've heard a lot of folks complain about lack of production from haysa, but mine produces a boatload of fruit... actually snapped a branch a couple of months ago.

Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?

I know people here (AUS) aren’t happy with prolifics production. Mike is one of them (I think he cut his down), I’m sure he will chime in if he sees this thread.


Edit: here you go http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16922.msg214735#msg214735

I was about to cut down my Hasya as it had produced just one fruit in 4-5  years since it was planted, but a couple of weeks  ago,  i found four little fruits on the tree. I have since decided to keep the tree. Jeff, do you use 8-3-9 or 8-2-12 for sapodillas? Do you give it foliar sprays as well?

[Ulfr]

Maybe it just wants a particular nutrient profile to be productive? I blast my saps with a lot of nitrogen, which seems to have a big impact on production. I've heard a lot of folks complain about lack of production from haysa, but mine produces a boatload of fruit... actually snapped a branch a couple of months ago.

Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?

I know people here (AUS) aren’t happy with prolifics production. Mike is one of them (I think he cut his down), I’m sure he will chime in if he sees this thread.


Edit: here you go http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16922.msg214735#msg214735

Possible! I only have BKD111 and Tropical here so far and I’m yet to taste either of them from my yard (young trees).

[Cookie Monster]

8-2-12 only, but I give it a lot. 8-2-12 is miracle in a bag, but you need to use a good amount of it. The only trees in my orchard that don't get it are mangoes (those get Har's mix).

Maybe it just wants a particular nutrient profile to be productive? I blast my saps with a lot of nitrogen, which seems to have a big impact on production. I've heard a lot of folks complain about lack of production from haysa, but mine produces a boatload of fruit... actually snapped a branch a couple of months ago.

Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?

I know people here (AUS) aren’t happy with prolifics production. Mike is one of them (I think he cut his down), I’m sure he will chime in if he sees this thread.


Edit: here you go http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16922.msg214735#msg214735

I was about to cut down my Hasya as it had produced just one fruit in 4-5  years since it was planted, but a couple of weeks  ago,  i found four little fruits on the tree. I have since decided to keep the tree. Jeff, do you use 8-3-9 or 8-2-12 for sapodillas? Do you give it foliar sprays as well?

[mangokothiyan]

8-2-12 only, but I give it a lot. 8-2-12 is miracle in a bag, but you need to use a good amount of it. The only trees in my orchard that don't get it are mangoes (those get Har's mix).

Maybe it just wants a particular nutrient profile to be productive? I blast my saps with a lot of nitrogen, which seems to have a big impact on production. I've heard a lot of folks complain about lack of production from haysa, but mine produces a boatload of fruit... actually snapped a branch a couple of months ago.

Does prolific actually live up to its name or is it just a marketing stunt?

I know people here (AUS) aren’t happy with prolifics production. Mike is one of them (I think he cut his down), I’m sure he will chime in if he sees this thread.


Edit: here you go http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16922.msg214735#msg214735

I was about to cut down my Hasya as it had produced just one fruit in 4-5  years since it was planted, but a couple of weeks  ago,  i found four little fruits on the tree. I have since decided to keep the tree. Jeff, do you use 8-3-9 or 8-2-12 for sapodillas? Do you give it foliar sprays as well?

Do I need to wait until March to feed them  8-2-12? Is it OK to fertilize now?

[Cookie Monster]

I would do it, but I'm not entirely sure if it's a bad idea or not.

Do I need to wait until March to feed them  8-2-12? Is it OK to fertilize now?

[Frog Valley Farm]

We have about 10 or so different varieties like Gigantea, Haysa, etc..  Our problem with sapodillas is over production, which really is not a problem unless your loooking for a fast growing tree.  I apply very  small inputs of compost, anything carbon, raw manure at least every 3 mos...  This is probably one of the easiest to grow and easily fruiting trees we grow.  We have recently installed after 3 years an Artesian drip system with a calcium carbonate infused water.



N.P.K.

Gigantea planted as 3 gal. Last year first fruiting.

Haysa, 2nd crop 3 years in ground planted as 3 gal.

Ice Cream Bananas 12 fruitings from one 3 gal. Initial planting in less than two years.

Sylas Wood first year in ground from 3 gal. First fruiting

Nem nun sun from Excalibur. Not sure what this is. I bought as 3 gal. 3 years ago but transplanted here from my beach house last year has about 6 fruit

Another transplant from my beach house last year 2nd fruiting has about 12 fruit. Not sure what variety is good but has excellent flavor some grit.

[achetadomestica]

Was a recording made of this talk?

Thanks

[Squam256]

Was a recording made of this talk?

Thanks

Not that I’m aware of.

[Coach62]

We have about 10 or so different varieties like Gigantea, Haysa, etc..  Our problem with sapodillas is over production, which really is not a problem unless your loooking for a fast growing tree.  I apply very  small inputs of compost, anything carbon, raw manure at least every 3 mos...  This is probably one of the easiest to grow and easily fruiting trees we grow.  We have recently installed after 3 years an Artesian drip system with a calcium carbonate infused water.



N.P.K.

Gigantea planted as 3 gal. Last year first fruiting.

Haysa, 2nd crop 3 years in ground planted as 3 gal.

Ice Cream Bananas 12 fruitings from one 3 gal. Initial planting in less than two years.

Sylas Wood first year in ground from 3 gal. First fruiting

Nem nun sun from Excalibur. Not sure what this is. I bought as 3 gal. 3 years ago but transplanted here from my beach house last year has about 6 fruit

Another transplant from my beach house last year 2nd fruiting has about 12 fruit. Not sure what variety is good but has excellent flavor some grit.

So from one single ice cream banana plant, you’ve had 12 crops of fruit in less than 2years?  I just don’t see how that’s even remotely possible. How are you doing this?

[pineislander]

He said one 3 gal. so the pot could have had 3-4 suckers peeping and then 3-4 suckers each in the rattoon so it's possible.

[Cookie Monster]

Right. I think he means the group. They do expand their territory quite rapidly.

He said one 3 gal. so the pot could have had 3-4 suckers peeping and then 3-4 suckers each in the rattoon so it's possible.

[Orlando Goundan]

I have a Prolific Sapodilla about 10 ft tall. It has been blooming profusely three years in a row but no fruits. A smaller 7 ft Hasya about 15 feet apart has already produced about 10 fruit last year.
Should I get rid of the Prolific this year and replace it with another variety - Alano or Makok or a newer variety from Zill.
Any opinions?

[Vernmented]

I have a Prolific Sapodilla about 10 ft tall. It has been blooming profusely three years in a row but no fruits. A smaller 7 ft Hasya about 15 feet apart has already produced about 10 fruit last year.
Should I get rid of the Prolific this year and replace it with another variety - Alano or Makok or a newer variety from Zill.
Any opinions?

I could be wrong but I think prolific is an older grittier cultivar. You could replace it with something higher quality if you aren't into the grit. Some people like it. The Hasya definitely likes cross pollination though.

[simon_grow]

I have a Prolific Sapodilla about 10 ft tall. It has been blooming profusely three years in a row but no fruits. A smaller 7 ft Hasya about 15 feet apart has already produced about 10 fruit last year.
Should I get rid of the Prolific this year and replace it with another variety - Alano or Makok or a newer variety from Zill.
Any opinions?

Perhaps consider top working it with a more productive variety like Alano. You may also consider girdling it to see if that will encourage it to fruit.

Simon

[Orlando Goundan]

Thank you guys. I will replace it with an Alano and maybe add a Mamey next to it. If I plant it close to the lake will water logging hurt the plant?  I can expect waterlogging for 2-3 weeks in the year if I plant them closer to the water. If the mamey and Alano dont like waterlogging, I can plant it about 20 ft away on higher ground. What do you guys think about Mamey or Sapodilla water requirements.

[Squam256]

Mamey are not tolerant of flooding. Sapodilla have better flood tolerance but can be killed by it as well (personal experience).

Your Hasya is likely enjoying the cross pollination from the Prolific. Hopefully whatever you replace it with can take on the same role relatively quickly or you could see a reduction in the Hasya’s fruit production.