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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Tropical Fruit Books
« on: July 18, 2013, 03:36:38 PM »
Looks like a great resource, Soren.  Thanks for posting the link.

John

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Usually "spreader/sticker"s are used for this -- these are surfactants.  Generally, places that sell pesticides/fungicides/herbicides carry the spreader/stickers as well.  They can probably suggest a good one to use with your fungicide.

John

When reading about the anthracnose susceptibility of different cultivars of mango, I noticed that one article recommended that an additive be used to help the copper stick to the waxy surfaces of the plant better. And come to think of it, when I do apply copper I notice that most of it beads up and rolls right off.

Who uses an additive and what exactly is it?  Seems like a horticultural oil would maybe work?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mystery fruit, again
« on: July 17, 2013, 05:50:26 PM »
It is quite an interesting tree.  I suspect that those balls of fruit still have some growing to do.  I think I might put off a taste test until I am reasonably sure it is something edible, though ...

John

Fascinating clumpy little balls of fruit.  Would be great if u could taste one.....


Gary

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mystery fruit, again
« on: July 17, 2013, 01:00:54 PM »
Fruit arrangement does not look right for any papaya relative I am aware of but my knowledge here is pretty limited.  In the last photo, there is also a larger fruit visible in the upper left of the last photo and the shape does not look right for photos of Vasconcellea I have seen.  Since there are some ornamentals & timber trees there, it is not even "for sure" that it is an edible fruit tree.

I have tried talking to a couple of the groundskeepers there (about other fruits / nuts) and they do not seem at all knowledgeable about fruit.  I suspect that the guy revising the tree guide isn't very knowledgeable either (I think he is a forestry guy, not a fruit guy).  I came across at least a couple of trees that were misidentified on the new list (although one sign was in the general vacinity of the right tree so maybe a worker just put the sign in the wrong place).

Yes, you are right about the leaf shape. Leaves look more like some type of Vasconcellea. But the fruits in your photo don't look clustered around the tree trunk as is the case with Vasconcellea. Maybe one of the nursery workers at the arboretum could tell you what it is?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mystery fruit, again
« on: July 17, 2013, 05:24:27 AM »
Haven't gone into that section or seen this tree. Could it be some species of Jacaratia?

Yeah, that was one genus I was thinking about.  Leaves look a little closer to Vasconcellea to me but I really have no idea.

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / mystery fruit, again
« on: July 17, 2013, 03:25:23 AM »
Hi guys,

I was over at the Hilo Arboretum a few days ago and came across another "mystery fruit".  It has a papaya kind of feel about it so I am guessing it may be a papaya relative.  I have attached pics of the tree canopy, a leaf detail, and a couple of the developing infructescence.  I'm sure ID would be easier when fruit gets bigger but since it is kind of distinctive looking, someone may know now.

For those of your familiar with the arboretum (i.e., Oscar), this is over by the palm collection.

John










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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overpowering Indian mango flavors?
« on: July 16, 2013, 02:24:25 PM »
This may go beyond simple taste preferences when talking about individuals.  I recall reading years ago about "supertasters" who get a bitter note from some artificial sweeteners.  I don't know if this also effects other taste sensations.  So, probably best not to pass judgement on something based upon reviews of one individual.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / fast, low-growing trees
« on: July 14, 2013, 05:06:51 PM »
I am planning on putting in some black pepper (Piper nigrum) and I am looking for ideas for the standards (supports).  Best long term production seems to come from using living trees as supports.  The snag is that I want to plant this in an area where I don't want anything higher than maybe 15' to avoid blocking the view.  So it needs to be relatively short but fast growing.  Things that come readily to mind (Gliricidia, Inga sp, etc) would grow too tall.  Any ideas?

There is always the possibility to go "non-living" on the standards but wood posts tend to be a little expensive here for a sizable planting and do not last that long (but work very well while they last and do not require trimming for light as do living standards).  I am also thinking about concrete posts (which would last well) but have heard that they are not well suited (poor results).

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Let's Talk (edible) Artocarpus
« on: July 13, 2013, 05:22:50 PM »
Pretty wild looking fruit.  I have been looking for those for years.  I joined the group just as RD sold the last lot of seeds...

John

I've always wanted to try exploding nangka, prainea limpato but my seeds didn't survive the transit from Borneo. Best looking fruit in the world. RD said it is a really good fruit.

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I think Karen & Oscar have nailed it.  At night, the light looks bright but it is very dim compared to daylight.  I had a very striking example of this (how bright daylight is) years ago when I had a reef tank.  It had a 250w metal halide light maybe 1 1/2" above the water.  The tank appeared to be very strongly illuminated until, at a certain time of day, the sun had the right angle to hit bottom of the tank and it was much brighter than the metal halide -- and this was not "tropical sun" but NH sun.  So, everything is relative...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona xilopiaefolia
« on: July 06, 2013, 01:38:29 PM »
Thanks, Oscar.  That corrected spelling helped.  Found a good resource on Rollinia in the process & will post a link later today in the appropriate section of the forum.

Thanks, Rytis.  From What I have found, A. xylopifolia doesn't look like a real winner (small fruit, flesh clings to seeds, etc).  The one you mention (A. sylvatica) was already on my list & sounds like a good one.

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Annona xilopiaefolia
« on: July 05, 2013, 12:55:53 AM »
Anyone familiar with this Annona on Helton's site?  I can't find anything on it but I am suspicious of the spelling of the species name.  Sounds like it is  referencing a resemblance to a annonaceous genus, Xylopia but I can't find anything if the spelling given is wrong...

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Vining fruits-What can you think of?
« on: July 04, 2013, 12:37:18 PM »



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I picked up a few seeds from Red Durian. One shot up like a rocket and is still looking happy in the depths of winter here. The other five or so broke in half, but were still green, so we will see if they shoot when the weather picks up... I have a few places where I can put a monster vine, depending on its cold tolerance. If its looking tender I will offer it to folk up north who will be happy to recieve it. I know it had been brought in earlier, as with nearly all good SE Asian fruits,  but I dont know who up north has them growing or fruiting, if anyone. Mike might know something more. If you could tell more about Lardizabala, maybe in another thread, I'd love to know more...
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OK, looks like I screwed up the "quote box" by trying to whittle down my response.  I raised the topic of zabala fruit previously ( http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=5268.msg71549#msg71549 ) but there seemed to be little response.  Things I find out about it are sketchy and sometimes conflicting.  It is from Chile and can occur at some altitude.  Wikipedia (often not reliable) reports it as temperate but other reports suggest probably subtropical.  It sounds like the seeds need a cool damp stratification (maybe even two! - but not freezing) to germinate.  This would be a plus if it grew here as it would not be at all invasive at lower elevations.  Fruit is reportedly highly esteemed locally. 

An interesting aside (at least to me) is people keep getting criticized for raising topics that have been raised before on the forum.  Well, this did not come up in a search; if I hadn't posted about it personally before I would not have known it was in here.  I suspect that there is a wealth of info on the site that is not coming up consistently on searches.

I ordered a bunch of Willughbeia seed from RD as well but none have germinated yet & I am worried that they may not.  I was hoping that you guys down under might have some planted up north -- you do have some amazing stuff down there.

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Vining fruits-What can you think of?
« on: July 04, 2013, 02:07:12 AM »
Yo, Bruce, you guys have Willugbeia in Aus?  A taxonomist here told me it is the finest fruit in the world.

I was going to suggest that, along with some of the Landolphia / Saba / Clitandra sp.  I think all of those, including Willughbeia, can get to be monsters.  I have heard interesting things about Lardizabala & think that is a more reasonable size.

John

Elaeagnus trifoliata
Akebia
Willughbeia

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit ID: alupag
« on: July 02, 2013, 02:56:01 PM »
I had a stretch where photos weren't displayed for me either & then it resolved itself -- have you tried rebooting? 

Regarding alupag, I tried them last night & they were delicious.  I had heard that flesh is a little sparse and that was the case.  It seemed like there was a decent amount towards the top (stem end) of the fruit but it completely disappeared and the seed was contacting the skin on the bottom of most of the fruits.  Is this typical for alupag or did this one have even more sparse flesh than typical?

John

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Roy listed 4 species in that book (by description, most not by Latin names).  He stated all of these except gbamunga have the same property (miraculin) as the miracle fruit (S. dulciferum).  Don't know if it is accurate but that's what he wrote.  The "village munga", S. subcordatum, is one of these that supposedly has it.  Jim's subcordatum does not.

John


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fruit ID: alupag
« on: July 01, 2013, 11:48:53 PM »
I was on my way to visit the sapucaia trees at the Hilo Arboretum and came across this fruit.  Guesses?  It was right next to the sapucaia trees.  I'm thinking alupag but have never seen one "in person" before.  I harvested them from the ground and they all appeared either singly or in pairs. 

John



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I'd be interested in any further info you get on this species.  Things I have heard so far are contradictory.  Roy Danforth, in Congo Native Fruits, says that it has the "miracle fruit" effect but Jim says his do not.  So is Roy mistaken or does Jim have some other Synsepalum (or does it vary in having this characteristic?, this seems unlikely).

John

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Mike, what is your opinion of the small leaf tamarind, Diploglottis cambellii?  Which Diploglottis are worthwhile?

John

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Beautiful fruit & tree.  I assume these are a little more tolerant of wet than mango (M indica)?

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Miracle fruit - no effect on coffee ?
« on: June 20, 2013, 01:08:17 PM »
One thing I have always heard is that you need to eat the miracle fruit first & then the sour food.  Is this accurate or would it still have the effect if you mix miracle fruit pulp or juice with the sour item?  I suspect it would be more effective in masking the flavor if you have it first but would it still work otherwise?

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parmentiera edulis
« on: June 18, 2013, 05:49:06 PM »
I think that is the last nail in that coffin.  I was debating using it as a "neutral" juice extender (I hate the idea of "juices" that are only 20% juice) but if it won't really be happy here, that settles that.
John

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Don't think the P. edulis particularly likes our very rainy climate. It comes from Mexico where they have distinct dry seasons.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parmentiera edulis
« on: June 18, 2013, 01:53:32 PM »
I'm trying to figure if it would have any real redeeming value for me.  Would these juice well?  One thing I had thought of was to use it as an extender for viscous juices like mango or to moderate something like lilikoi (passionfruit - a little of that goes a long way).

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parmentiera edulis
« on: June 17, 2013, 06:59:05 PM »
Luc,

Are they worth eating as a fruit at the yellow stage or not so good & better to use young as a vegetable?  I thought about putting a few in & procrastinated, maybe a good thing?

John

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