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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Fruit So-Shang Elaeagnus latifolia
« on: June 13, 2021, 10:29:47 PM »
Quote from: marklee on June 10, 2021, 05:53:08 PM
Quote from: barath on June 10, 2021, 12:52:38 PM
Quote from: fruitlovers on June 09, 2021, 11:56:47 PM
Quote from: barath on June 09, 2021, 12:36:56 PM
Oscar, do you know what it takes to get E. latifolia to flower and fruit?  Me and others have had trees grown from seed from you for 6+ years and they're growing well but not flowering or fruiting.  Thanks!
Don't know. But would guess it's climate related. Even here they flower a lot, but few of the flowers set fruit. I think it might be too rainy for their liking here. They come from NE India and Thailand where they go through monsoon climate with extreme dry and extreme wet.

Sounds good.  I guess we'll have to figure out how to trick them into fruiting, maybe by simulating their native climate.

Barath, the one I got from you fruits every year in the fall, they need a lot of water at least by southern California standards.

That's great!  I'm trying to remember -- did I give you the "Catherine's Find" Elaeagnus (the species is a mystery on that one) or Elaeagnus latifolia?

I think their fruits might look pretty similar.

I think I'll try what Oscar mentioned and try to trick it into thinking there's a monsoon season.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Fruit So-Shang Elaeagnus latifolia
« on: June 10, 2021, 12:52:38 PM »
Quote from: fruitlovers on June 09, 2021, 11:56:47 PM
Quote from: barath on June 09, 2021, 12:36:56 PM
Oscar, do you know what it takes to get E. latifolia to flower and fruit?  Me and others have had trees grown from seed from you for 6+ years and they're growing well but not flowering or fruiting.  Thanks!
Don't know. But would guess it's climate related. Even here they flower a lot, but few of the flowers set fruit. I think it might be too rainy for their liking here. They come from NE India and Thailand where they go through monsoon climate with extreme dry and extreme wet.

Sounds good.  I guess we'll have to figure out how to trick them into fruiting, maybe by simulating their native climate.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Fruit So-Shang Elaeagnus latifolia
« on: June 09, 2021, 12:36:56 PM »
Oscar, do you know what it takes to get E. latifolia to flower and fruit?  Me and others have had trees grown from seed from you for 6+ years and they're growing well but not flowering or fruiting.  Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why exactly can't avocado fruit in the central Europe?
« on: May 06, 2021, 10:12:29 PM »
In a greenhouse anything is possible.  Outdoors you'd have to create a really good microclimate.  There's the London avocado tree that appears to be in a good microclimate (surrounded by buildings in a courtyard) so it probably doesn't get too cold in the winter.  If you can create a good microclimate you might be able to do it -- sunlight isn't the issue for you, but winter cold weather might be.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Possible for me to get avocados in cooler climate?
« on: April 19, 2021, 06:17:52 PM »
Quote from: tropic_tester on April 19, 2021, 04:56:28 PM
I live near the coast --almost daly city -- which is still probably not the best, but it's reassuring to know that it could be possible. I'm going to try my hand at grafting some mexicola or mexicola grande (when I get some cuttings) to test the hardier variety and maybe work my way to other varieties if I get fruit.

All the usual varieties will do well for you there (Hass, Lamb, Reed, Pinkerton, etc.), and they're generally better than Mexicola. Though there may be some value in growing Mexicola as well just to have year round fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Possible for me to get avocados in cooler climate?
« on: April 19, 2021, 03:31:43 AM »
Quote from: tropic_tester on April 18, 2021, 10:46:25 PM
Yes the cooler averages in my climate was my main concern during my initial search. I might still give it a go, but cautiously. The weather has been somewhat odd in recent years, and I feel that climate change may be affecting the weather in my area. I felt that the indian summer was slightly longer and warmer, but I'm not sure if its a trend or simply a fluke.

Where in the bay area are you?  People are able to grow and fruit avocados in most of the bay area now, even in San Francisco itself. A types by themselves fruit fine pretty much all over the region, but B types need more heat.  There are folks fruiting Hass with no trouble in San Francisco.  No cross pollinator seems necessary for most A types in the bay area, though cross pollination will probably increase yields. The only places that might struggle with avocados would be the inland areas of Palo Alto where they seem to always get much more frost than the rest of the area, but even there Mexicola will fruit just fine.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Starfruit pollination -- hand pollination required?
« on: August 27, 2020, 07:14:00 PM »
Just an update: it turned out the problem was just not having bees.  Once the bees found the tree, maybe a couple weeks after I originally posted, they were there every day for a few weeks.  And sure enough, I got great fruit set.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba rootstocks???
« on: August 01, 2020, 02:08:50 PM »
Quote from: dadloring on July 30, 2020, 03:39:34 PM
Thanks for the replies, will try and source some sabara seeds and when i order in scions will experiment on a few reds.

Yes im on Vancouver island on the west coast, most areas are zone 7-8 but the are a few areas on the southern island that are zone 9   :D

A little off topic, but I'm curious -- is there a map of such microclimates / zones in BC?  The Canadian map I found wasn't very detailed.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bubble gum flavored Cherimoya?
« on: July 22, 2020, 11:31:02 PM »
Awesome thanks.  Where did you find them at a market?  (Or was the picture taken a while ago?)

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Seeking Avocado scions - northern California
« on: July 13, 2020, 05:25:09 PM »
How cold do you get?  San Carlos is typically pretty mild in the winter from what I remember, so you should be able to grow many medium-tolerance varieties like Fuerte.  You might consider Bonny Doon from Epicenter Nursery, and any other cold hardy selections they have, because they are propagating good tasting cold hardy varieties that are a bit more hard to find.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Starfruit pollination -- hand pollination required?
« on: July 12, 2020, 03:00:21 PM »
I wonder if it's a California humidity issue then...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Starfruit pollination -- hand pollination required?
« on: July 12, 2020, 12:56:28 PM »
Ah, great.  Thanks -- so I guess I need to wait more.  They've been flowering for a couple of years at this point, so I hope they'll start holding fruit soon.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Starfruit pollination -- hand pollination required?
« on: July 12, 2020, 02:42:55 AM »
My starfruit trees love to produce flowers but never seem to set.  I grafted them years ago to Kari and Sri Kembangan but they never set.  They're in relatively large containers (probably 30 gallon) and grow nicely and flower nicely but never set fruit.  I've tried giving them various nutrients, including withholding nitrogen, but it hasn't worked.  I've also crudely tried to hand pollinate, but that hasn't gotten them to set.

Is there a trick to getting them to fruit?  A time of day to pollinate?  What stage of flower should I pollinate at, if any?

I know usually people don't hand pollinate, so I'm wondering what might be wrong here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« on: June 25, 2020, 09:52:11 PM »
Quote from: shaneatwell on June 25, 2020, 11:01:19 AM
Quote from: barath on June 25, 2020, 12:34:08 AM
Shane, that's really weird and interesting.  I wonder if it was a cross that produced those.  They look bigger than normal P. ligularis fruit.  I'm curious what they end up tasting like.  If they're like other fruit in that subsection of passiflora, they won't fall when ripe -- you have to pick them.

Hey barath, glad you jumped in here! You gave me this plant years ago so maybe you remember if it could be a Frederick cross? It was June 2015 according to my messages. Recognize this tag?




Oh yeah -- I forgot about that!  So I'm pretty sure that they aren't crossed with Frederick, but they could have been crossed with some other Passiflora, but I don't know what if so.  I think I got that batch of seeds from someone in South America, but I don't remember which batch that specific plant was from.  P. ligularis fruit sometimes has some purple coloration, though not as much as your fruit seem to.  I wonder what color they'll be when ripe -- they should be partly or mostly yellow/orange.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« on: June 25, 2020, 12:34:08 AM »
Shane, that's really weird and interesting.  I wonder if it was a cross that produced those.  They look bigger than normal P. ligularis fruit.  I'm curious what they end up tasting like.  If they're like other fruit in that subsection of passiflora, they won't fall when ripe -- you have to pick them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei/Myrica rubra is available in San Francisco
« on: June 20, 2020, 06:46:11 PM »
What do they taste like?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Pollinating Cherimoyas
« on: June 20, 2020, 06:45:14 PM »
Edgar Valdevia told me that he leaves rotting white sapotes under his cherimoya trees, and that for some reason the bugs that are attracted also will pollinate his cherimoyas.  No idea which bugs, and I've never tried it, but he probably knows what he's doing.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking for Panama Red Passion Fruit plant(s)
« on: June 18, 2020, 04:02:37 PM »
Does anyone have Panama Red Passion Fruit plants?  I'm looking to buy at least one medium-large one if so -- sadly my big one cooked when we hit 100 F a couple weeks ago and is barely alive.  (It was surrounded by concrete, so probably got much hotter than 100 F.)

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wanted West Indian avocado seeds for rootstock
« on: June 13, 2020, 10:16:38 PM »
Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wanted West Indian avocado seeds for rootstock
« on: June 12, 2020, 06:10:15 PM »
Does anyone have any West Indian avocado seeds available to use as rootstock?  I'm looking for something like 5-10 seeds.  Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Black Star Surinam Cherry
« on: June 09, 2020, 12:10:05 PM »
Wow...didn't realize surinam cherry is so popular in Irvine...  (It wasn't me, btw.)

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Black Star Surinam Cherry
« on: June 08, 2020, 06:01:02 PM »
I can easily cut you lots of wood from mine, in Irvine.  If you'll be out this way I can leave it out for you or mail a couple of small sticks in an envelope.  Let me know.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is your favorite banana variety?
« on: May 31, 2020, 06:39:43 PM »
I've really liked Dwarf Brazilian.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can white sapote seedlings take full sun?
« on: May 19, 2020, 03:08:35 PM »
Get them in the ground as soon as possible -- they really don't like being in pots for too long.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can white sapote seedlings take full sun?
« on: May 19, 2020, 12:21:06 PM »
They can definitely take full sun in San Francisco and similar coastal California climates, as long as they got full sun from the start.  If you're moving them into sun, I'd put something near them to give a few hours of shade around mid-day / early afternoon, for a month or two.

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