I have a 5-year old in ground Shiranui tree that produces quite a bit of fruit, plus I have over the last several years purchased shiranui fruit from the supermarket, and have found 2 seeds in all that time. I suspect Oolie is correct, concerning the lesser amount of sweetness in American grow shiranui fruit. I do not know if local grown shiranui are stored warm for 40 days to lower the acid and raise the sugar. I also suspect that the American grown fruit trees are not pruned in the same manner as a peach tree is pruned, to enable high levels of light into the interior of the tree, and all sides of he fruit as is the case in Japan. The fruit I have purchased in the local stores are good but not as sweet as Japanese fruit.