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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hunting the elusive Delicious Monster
« on: November 14, 2017, 11:44:42 PM »
I have recently observed two locations where a number of seedlings were found under the Monstera plant. About 6-8 small plants were found in each case. It appears that this fruit self sows fairly easily, but may take some time to do so.
Good that you have seen seedlings!  I guess it is more common overtaking habitat than I thought.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Hunting the elusive Delicious Monster
« on: November 12, 2017, 10:27:33 AM »
Well not exactly hunting since I only had to walk out on the patio, but waiting the 10 months for the fruit to ripen is almost like hunting.  I pass by the plant almost every day and after a while I forget that the fruit is even there.  This weekend I smelled a strong fruity fragrance and it took me a moment to realize that one of the delicious monster fruits was ripe and starting to fall apart. A couple more fruit are just about ripe and are beginning to hang down.....just about ready to cut.  I cut them and leave them on a plate on the kitchen counter to let the raphides and trichosclereids of calcium oxalate break down, so the fruit is not painful to eat.  I really like the flavor....a bit like pineapple, banana, and mango/peach.  Just wish there was more to the fruit than a spoonful at a time.








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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB: Pierce Cherimoya
« on: November 12, 2017, 10:07:48 AM »
I found this: http://www.cloudforest.com/cafe/forum/12266.html

"On Knight/Pierce/etc, my understanding is that Pierce is the smooth fruit commonly called that, whereas Knight is a fruit with a number of synonyms ('rough Pierce, etc) but small bumps-- and is thus distinguishable from true or smooth Pierce. I remember at the CCA meeting a year or two ago that we were both at, I thought the Pierce was the best tasting of the 5 or so varieites they had-- the few times I've tasted it, it always had really nice lemony/acidic tones that seem great to me."

So the question is: Does Knight from LaVerne have smooth skin or small bumps?

Interesting conversation.  I thought Pierce and Knight were the same thing, but the CRFG site agrees with the post you have provided.  If the two varieties have difference fruit skin types and leaf sizes, then they are not true synonyms.

From the CRFG site:

Knight (syns. DV, Pierce, M&N Pierce)
Origin a Mr. Knight, Orange, Calif., 1930's. Scions imported from Mexico. Recovered from Dr. Pierce's ranch, Goleta, in 1950's and propagated under several names. Tree has medium vigor, medium-sized pale green wavy leaves. Fruit has minor protuberances, a thin skin, a slightly grainy texture and is quite sweet.

Pierce (syns. Knight, Escondido White, Ryerson, Thomson-Spain, & Bayott)
Believed to be from a group of scions imported from Mexico in the 1930's by a Mr. Knight of Orange. Dr. H. F. Pierce planted a grove in Goleta in that period made up largely of trees produced by Knight. This cultivar was Dr. Pierce's favorite and was named "Pierce" by him. Tree is vigorous with large dark green leaves. Fruit is medium sized elongated conically shaped with very smooth skin and a high sugar content.

I have a Vietnam variety of Cherimoya from LaVerne and on Cloudforest some posts suggest that this is a synonym for Knight. Not sure about this, but the fruit is rather bumpy at this stage of development.

Vietnam Cherimoya




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Great to see these varieties again! You had mentioned before that only a few individuals had trees of these varieties. Are there any plans of getting the fruit into wider availability. I hope to visit Australia in the future and would like to try them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My first taste of Dr. White cherimoya
« on: November 09, 2017, 11:19:38 AM »
I have to admit that I really like the taste of the Dr. White Cherimoyas that I have tried, though I am not sure I could eat more than one at a time.  For my taste they are so knock your socks off sweet.  Great as a dessert though.

Sam, are you going to the cherimoya tasting this year at SCREC http://screc.ucanr.edu/?calitem=376820&g=68933

The last time I checked in summer it was planned for mid December, now mid January 2018 just like this year.  I suppose the cherimoyas were later than expected?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora alata 'Ruby Glow' finally fruits
« on: November 07, 2017, 09:06:58 PM »
i grew P. edulis flavicarpa , incarnata, and  Passiflora Foetida
i tried hand pollination, but also saw lots of bees on all of them
several flowers on each plant.
i never got 1 fruit
anyone know why ??

i also had a Purple Possum, but it never even flowered.
it regrows every year for 3 years now, and i might see 2 or 3 flowers in spring
and thats it, no more flowers and no fruit.

a few years ago, i grew P Incarnata by itself and got 1 fruit.
it stayed in a container, and never got over 5ft long.
i once read if you restrict the roots it is more likely to flower and fruit ??






Some Passiflora species like P. alata are self infertile, so they require another plant (of the same species) with a different genetic make-up, or a closely related species to have successful fertilization and fruit to be produced.  There have been crosses produced of Passiflora foetida x edulis and P. incarnate x P. edulis flavicarpa that were successful, but some of the hybrids are sterile and won't produce fruit or viable seed.  Here is an example of one study that looked and returning viability using colchicine treatments - http://hortsci.ashspublications.org/content/26/12/1541.full.pdf

I also experienced P. edulis 'Purple Possum' to be a shy bloomer.  After a few years, it finally picked up steam and flowered and fruited profusely. Just my two cents, but P. edulis 'Frederick' has been more reliable for me and produces larger fruit.

Nice Passifloras you have growing by the way!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora alata 'Ruby Glow' finally fruits
« on: November 07, 2017, 10:57:06 AM »
It should do fine for you -- I was able to get fruit from Ruby Glow and straight P. alata last year in the East Bay, and you are in a warmer area.  The P. alata type fruits don't seem to drop on their own -- you have to pick them when they turn orange.
It's great you were able to get another from of P. alata  to use as a pollen donor.  Do you recall when the fruit turned to an orange color?

I think I harvested in January.  If I remember right, they didn't flower at the same time, so I used P. edulis flavicarpa (Hawaiian Lilikoi) to pollinate them.
Thanks for the information on the ripening date. I hope to harvest in January or a bit later.  I attempted cross pollination with P. alata and P. edulis 'Frederick', but I had no luck.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora alata 'Ruby Glow' finally fruits
« on: November 06, 2017, 06:36:16 PM »
It should do fine for you -- I was able to get fruit from Ruby Glow and straight P. alata last year in the East Bay, and you are in a warmer area.  The P. alata type fruits don't seem to drop on their own -- you have to pick them when they turn orange.
It's great you were able to get another from of P. alata  to use as a pollen donor.  Do you recall when the fruit turned to an orange color?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora alata 'Ruby Glow' finally fruits
« on: November 06, 2017, 09:31:30 AM »
Cool.  I'm a big passiflora fan.

My p. Edulis fruits hung and kept maturing under the first frost.  I probably would have done better to pick them the day before, since some of the fruits were burned by the frost.
You make a good point. P. edulis fruit usually do fine here maturing over winter, so I hope P. alata will do the same.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora alata 'Ruby Glow' finally fruits
« on: November 06, 2017, 09:26:15 AM »
Did you hand pollinate?
Yes I hand pollinated with P. caerulea as the pollen donor. It’s the only other combination that has worked since P. alata is not self fertile.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Passiflora alata 'Ruby Glow' finally fruits
« on: November 06, 2017, 12:45:38 AM »
Enjoying the last of the P. alata flowers this weekend and wondering how long it will take for the fruits to mature. It seems in south Florida and Hawaii previous posts suggest March or April.  Does it really take about 7 months for these fruit to mature?
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=4610.msg63463#msg63463
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15254.msg194334#msg194334

I hope the fruit don't rot in our cold wet winters.  I was also able to get a P. macrocarpa to flower and fruit using P. alata as a pollen donor.

P. alata flowers and fruit






P. macrocarpa flowers and fruit





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Green Caimito Blooming
« on: November 03, 2017, 02:54:29 PM »
Yeah, I have yet to see a cainito fruit outside in California. They just flower too late in the year to hold fruit. I have a large one in my greenhouse that may hold fruit this year.
When does the tree tend to drop the fruit? Late December into January when the temperatures get really cold?

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what fertilizer do you use and what's your schedule?
wow super nice! big green leaves with no brown tips!  what's your secrete? :)
Part of the success may be due to the trees being planted in raised planters. I also mulch them three times a year and keep up a good fertilizing and water schedule. They have really grown well this year with the Mauritius putting on about 30 inches of new growth.

Here are some photos of the raised planter that is open to the ground in the bottom.



I have been using Dr. Earth for fruit trees over the last year for fertilizer and I have been placing fresh worm castings on a couple of times per year. I  also mulch them with my own compost as least one time per year, or when I have enough I am not using on other trees. I typically fertilize in late January and then every two to three months with a final application in late September or early October.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Green Caimito Blooming
« on: November 02, 2017, 07:20:41 PM »
Here they bloom in october and you harvest in february-march.
I envy you so much my caimito seedlings are 4 years old and really big but no flowers yet....  :-\



Don't envy me too much.  My Caimitos would never be as large as yours in four years. I have another seedling purple Caimito and it is only a little over 3 feet tall after three years from seed.  It should take the full 8 years to flower at the rate it grows here in California.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Green Caimito Blooming
« on: November 01, 2017, 07:58:42 PM »
My is starting to bloom
Is this a first time bloom for yours as well?  I am just trying to figure out what the bloom cycle would be normally and see what to expect in future years as the tree matures. I just planted mine this last summer, so it has a number of hurdles ahead of it.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Green Caimito Blooming
« on: November 01, 2017, 02:50:31 PM »
Just in time for The Day of the Dead! I hope this doesn't portend a bad ending for the tree. I am just surprised that I was able to get it to bloom so rapidly. This was originally a 3 gallon air layered plant that I bought in February, and expected it to take another year or so before it would bloom.  I am just curious if fall and early winter are the normal times for Caimito to bloom in other subtropical/tropical areas?  I noticed some other posts with similar bloom times, but wondered if it varies more in the tropics.

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wow super nice! big green leaves with no brown tips!  what's your secrete? :)
Part of the success may be due to the trees being planted in raised planters. I also mulch them three times a year and keep up a good fertilizing and water schedule. They have really grown well this year with the Mauritius putting on about 30 inches of new growth.

Here are some photos of the raised planter that is open to the ground in the bottom.




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In the past I had similar problems getting small lychees to flush growth at proper times. This year is the first time I have had my Mauritius lychee put on a fourth flush in one year, it usually finishes growing in October and stops growing until mid to late winter. I think now that it has decided to be a tree instead of a shrub, it will follow a proper schedule. I stop fertilizing in September and don’t start again until late January. This first flush of new growth (either stems or flowers) occurs at the proper time of year in late winter, if I follow this schedule. I am not sure if it is due to its young age, but my Sweetheart only puts out three growth flushes and is difficult to keep on schedule like the older Mauritius. I think in time the Sweetheart will mature and follow the proper schedule.

Mauritius Lychee starting to become a small tree




Sweetheart Lychee



Bob - How old are your trees, they look great!

Thanks for the complement! The Mauritius is about 3 years old planted as a small 15 gallon, and the Sweetheart is about 2 years old and planted from a three gallon.

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Beautiful trees
Thanks! Maybe in a year or two they will look as good as your cados. ;D

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In the past I had similar problems getting small lychees to flush growth at proper times. This year is the first time I have had my Mauritius lychee put on a fourth flush in one year, it usually finishes growing in October and stops growing until mid to late winter. I think now that it has decided to be a tree instead of a shrub, it will follow a proper schedule. I stop fertilizing in September and don’t start again until late January. This first flush of new growth (either stems or flowers) occurs at the proper time of year in late winter, if I follow this schedule. I am not sure if it is due to its young age, but my Sweetheart only puts out three growth flushes and is difficult to keep on schedule like the older Mauritius. I think in time the Sweetheart will mature and follow the proper schedule.

Mauritius Lychee starting to become a small tree




Sweetheart Lychee


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Problem with atemoya ripping
« on: October 28, 2017, 01:08:10 PM »
Ouch! With all this heat and low humidity, I tend to agree with Mikey. My Atemoyas and Cherimoyas receive part shade in the afternoon, I hope that will prevent something similar happening with mine. I also tried to water my trees every other day and spray down the leaves when humidity dropped to 20%.

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This an awesome report on this experience and I enjoyed the photographs of the market and orchard.  I am surprised the ladies allowed you to take photos of them given that the cartel keeps a close eye them. The round Ilama in the photo with a pen seemed interesting, was that good?

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Good to Know Raul is safe and made it back home. I look forward  to hearing about his adventure!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can cherimoya grow in Vietnam?
« on: September 16, 2017, 06:41:47 PM »
There is a city and surrounding region of Dalat in south central Vietnam. The elevation is about 5,000 ft.and would be perfect for growing Cherimoya. I didn't see any growing there, but there are a lot of other cool growing subtropical plants like Strelitzia reginae, cool growing cymbidium orchids, even hydrangeas. At this elevation they have much cooler night temperatures throughout the year that Cherimoya would find agreeable. The landscape in the city reminded me a lot of San Diego!

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