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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: fruitlovers on April 25, 2013, 01:35:43 AM
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A friend brought me this box full of green sapotes. I placed a marked Makawao green sapote close to center of photo for comparison. The round green sapotes are considered better quality. Obviously the Makawao is a seedling of one of the round types planted at local experimental station. The Makawao has a slightly pointed nipple which others seem to be lacking. Will do a taste test comparing the 3 types side by side tomorrow.
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/GreenSapote3Types.jpg)
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Hi Oscar,
The box of green sapotes looks awesome...enjoy them :)
Thanks for sharing :)
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They look great. Do you know of any cultivars of green sapote that are more precocious than the rest?
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Here we only have one cultivar available so far, Makawao, so not a lot to choose from. :(
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Here we only have one cultivar available so far, Makawao, so not a lot to choose from. :(
A Guatemalan green sapote .
(http://s7.postimg.cc/dvgjf7vc7/Pouteria_viridis.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dvgjf7vc7/)
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Here we only have one cultivar available so far, Makawao, so not a lot to choose from. :(
A Guatemalan green sapote .
(http://s7.postimg.cc/dvgjf7vc7/Pouteria_viridis.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dvgjf7vc7/)
That one is slightly different shaped than the 3 i have. How was the taste?
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They look a lot different from the ones I have had here in Florida.
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They look a lot different from the ones I have had here in Florida.
"They" refers to which one(s)?
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Nice Comparison Photo Oscar... :)
Looking forward to your taste test report, to see which one you like best...
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They look a lot different from the ones I have had here in Florida.
"They" refers to which one(s)?
All of those pictured look different, in particular the Makawao does.
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Here we only have one cultivar available so far, Makawao, so not a lot to choose from. :(
A Guatemalan green sapote .
(http://s7.postimg.cc/dvgjf7vc7/Pouteria_viridis.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dvgjf7vc7/)
That one is slightly different shaped than the 3 i have. How was the taste?
I am not really a fan of sapotes , except the white , black and the round chico we have here . Also it was 7 years ago I collected them in Antigua , Guatemala so I don't remember exactly , must have liked it more or less otherwise I would not have planted the tree .
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Oscar,
Do you recall the source of the Green sapote seeds you started selling a few years ago?
If you have the chance, tell momma/poppa that junior is thinking of starting a family this side of the pond :D :D :D :D
(http://s10.postimg.cc/miggozhad/greensapote.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/miggozhad/)
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Oscar,
Do you recall the source of the Green sapote seeds you started selling a few years ago?
If you have the chance, tell momma/poppa that junior is thinking of starting a family this side of the pond :D :D :D :D
(http://s10.postimg.cc/miggozhad/greensapote.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/miggozhad/)
Sergio, they are most probably either from one of the 2 trees in the photo. Just not sure if you got round type or elongated type. Congrats on the flowering green sapote. How old is that tree?
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Here is the result of the taste test of the 3 different types of green sapote. The best were the 2 round types of green sapotes. The elongated one while much bigger are a bit more watery, although still decent in quality. Of the two round ones, the seedling and the Makawao (Makawao cut fruit is in center) i thought the seedling was slightly better. As you can see it has darker pulp, and had a bit more interesting almond like after taste, not just sweet. But both were quite nice. Unfortunately there are no mamey sapotes right now to include them in the taste test.
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/GreenSapote3TypesCrossection.jpg)
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Hi Oscar,
I checked the paypal receipt; it's dated April 2009, making the tree 4 years old.
So, it's been rather fast for a green sapote, but getting it to set fruit will be a different
matter.
I have an older mamey, about the same size, that is living up to its fame of taking
ages to bloom.
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Hi Oscar,
I checked the paypal receipt; it's dated April 2009, making the tree's 4 years old.
So, it's been rather fast for a green sapote, but getting it to set fruit will be a different
matter.
I have an older mamey, about the same size, that is living up to its fame of taking
ages to bloom.
Wow Sergio, amazing you got that green sapote to flower in only four years. That's incredible! What did you fertilize it with?
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This one is planted in my greenhouse, because the soil is better, less alkaline.
It received lots of water, every day in the warmer months. I fertilize with a
soluble complete fertilizer that is injected in the line. So, it was fed almost
continuously. Even so, from time to time, I had to apply chelated elements
to offset the alkaline issues of the water and soil. Unlike mamey, green
sapote resents my limestone soil.
I never pruned it so its shape it a bit odd. It grew tall before it started branching out.
In my experience happy green sapotes can grow very fast and do not need nearly
as much warmth as other members of this family.
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Hi Oscar,
Hundreds of dry flowers later, this one seems to have beaten the odds...
(http://s17.postimg.cc/famnu8h4r/2013_07_27_16_03_06_copy.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/famnu8h4r/)
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This one is planted in my greenhouse, because the soil is better, less alkaline.
It received lots of water, every day in the warmer months. I fertilize with a
soluble complete fertilizer that is injected in the line. So, it was fed almost
continuously. Even so, from time to time, I had to apply chelated elements
to offset the alkaline issues of the water and soil. Unlike mamey, green
sapote resents my limestone soil.
I never pruned it so its shape it a bit odd. It grew tall before it started branching out.
In my experience happy green sapotes can grow very fast and do not need nearly
as much warmth as other members of this family.
WOW! Green Sapote is one i really want to try! ::)
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Hello all.
Could somebody with a bit of Green Sapote experience talk a bit about plant care. I have a small plant approximately 3 ft. tall. I don't know the first thing about fertilizer needs, PH preferences or water requirements, etc.. Sure I could "Google it" but it is more fun here.
Thanks in advance!!
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Oscar, the taste test winner looks the most luscious to me, thanks for posting. 8)
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Hi Oscar,
Hundreds of dry flowers later, this one seems to have beaten the odds...
(http://s17.postimg.cc/famnu8h4r/2013_07_27_16_03_06_copy.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/famnu8h4r/)
Wow, 4 years to fruit? If this were a few centuries earlier you'd be burned at the stake for being a garden wizzard!
Oscar, your opinion that the seedling fruit was better than the grafted variety is why it is very rarely if ever grafted here any more. Apparently, the experts agreed that there was little to no difference in quality between seedling and grafted ones (or marcotted more often) we have here (unlike Mamey), so they decided to stop. The only up side was the potential to fruit from 2-3years after graft or marcot, but even then some were taking as long as seedlings to fruit anyway and were not as prolific.
I cant wait for the season to start again. Mmmmm.
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Hi Oscar,
Hundreds of dry flowers later, this one seems to have beaten the odds...
Great to see it Sergio, congrats! Be prepared for long wait to maturity as fruits take several months to become ripe.
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Hi Oscar,
Hundreds of dry flowers later, this one seems to have beaten the odds...
Wow, 4 years to fruit? If this were a few centuries earlier you'd be burned at the stake for being a garden wizzard!
Oscar, your opinion that the seedling fruit was better than the grafted variety is why it is very rarely if ever grafted here any more. Apparently, the experts agreed that there was little to no difference in quality between seedling and grafted ones (or marcotted more often) we have here (unlike Mamey), so they decided to stop. The only up side was the potential to fruit from 2-3years after graft or marcot, but even then some were taking as long as seedlings to fruit anyway and were not as prolific.
I cant wait for the season to start again. Mmmmm.
My experience is that grafted green sapote trees take 1/2 the time to fruit than seedlings. I think the problem you point to only means that you don't have advanced cultivar selections in Australia. We don't have them here either, only one cultivar. And i doubt that one was really selected as being superior quality. Probably was just chosen because it was a mature tree only. I'm guessing that advanced cultivars do indeed exist in Guatemala, but just haven't made it here yet.
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My green sapote
(http://s12.postimg.cc/mm1vnjb89/foto0284.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mm1vnjb89/)
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Hi Oscar,
Hundreds of dry flowers later, this one seems to have beaten the odds...
(http://s17.postimg.cc/famnu8h4r/2013_07_27_16_03_06_copy.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/famnu8h4r/)
Ola Sergio, did you harvest this green zapote?
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I really enjoy the green sapote...it has a melon flavor, unlike any mamey I've tasted.
I've been sharing some with my friends, and people who don't even like tropical fruit...this fruit has been well received. If you like sweet potato, you will like this fruit. It's like a sweet potato flan with a melon aftertaste.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/arosk0ao3/2_26_2014_017.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/arosk0ao3/)
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Such beautiful flesh! Makes me wonder how long I'll have to wait. My largest tree is about 3' tall and staying to branch.
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I don't detect any melon flavor in any green sapote, and i've eaten many hundreds of them over here from different trees and types. To me they taste almost identical to mamey sapote. I think blind folded most people couldn't really tell the difference between mamey and green sapote.
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I don't detect any melon flavor in any green sapote, and i've eaten many hundreds of them over here from different trees and types. To me they taste almost identical to mamey sapote. I think blind folded most people couldn't really tell the difference between mamey and green sapote.
that's funny, everyone who's tasted the fruit I have, said they detect the melon flavor.
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Adao, are the ones on the picture Whitman green zapote?
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Yay! One full year later, green sapotes are ripening and they are tasty!
(http://s23.postimg.cc/u9lj8okjb/IMG_20150623_233152.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u9lj8okjb/)
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Yay! One full year later, green sapotes are ripening and they are tasty!
(http://s23.postimg.cc/u9lj8okjb/IMG_20150623_233152.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u9lj8okjb/)
Great to hear Sergio! Are they from seeds i sent you?
BTW, are you stealing my dishes? Have same exact dishes over here?! ???
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Yay! One full year later, green sapotes are ripening and they are tasty!
(http://s23.postimg.cc/u9lj8okjb/IMG_20150623_233152.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u9lj8okjb/)
Great to hear Sergio! Are they from seeds i sent you?
BTW, are you stealing my dishes? Have same exact dishes over here?! ???
Yes Oscar. It's from the seeds you sent me.
A second tree that I gave to a friend, from the same batch, just finished blooming. It's
the second time it blooms and we're hoping some will set...
Looks like this species is perfectly adaptable to the subtropics.
Mamey grows much more slowly in my climate and is prone to some winter dieback.
I have a grafted Pantin that I now doubt will be able to hold its fruits in the winter, if and when it ever decides to bloom.
edit: corrected Pantin spelling...
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Yay! One full year later, green sapotes are ripening and they are tasty!
(http://s23.postimg.cc/u9lj8okjb/IMG_20150623_233152.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u9lj8okjb/)
Great to hear Sergio! Are they from seeds i sent you?
BTW, are you stealing my dishes? Have same exact dishes over here?! ???
Yes Oscar. It's from the seeds you sent me.
A second tree that I gave to a friend, from the same batch, just finished blooming. It's
the second time it blooms and we're hoping some will set...
Looks like this species is perfectly adaptable to the subtropics.
Mamey grows much more slowly in my climate and is prone to some winter dieback.
I have a grafted Panting that I now doubt will be able to hold its fruits in the winter, if and when it ever decides to bloom.
Good to hear. FYI seedlings here are extremely slow to fruit, even though they grow great. Better to go with grafted trees for that reason. Green sapote flowering here also this time of year.
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Hello all.
Could somebody with a bit of Green Sapote experience talk a bit about plant care. I have a small plant approximately 3 ft. tall. I don't know the first thing about fertilizer needs, PH preferences or water requirements, etc.. Sure I could "Google it" but it is more fun here.
Thanks in advance!!
My "soil" is a mix of organic matter and sand with shell rock sand more than 2'-3' below the surface. My soil PH is ~7.2-7.4 and I use organic mulch periodically, water twice weekly (It's been dry here) fertilize maybe a bit more than quarterly, it's REALLY healthy but still small ~5' tall. It still has two of the three fruits noted below.
Here's a past comment on my green sapote:
"For the last 2 years my green sapote has flowered but had not set fruit and has not grown vertically at all, though the trunk and branches have thickened.
This year was a banner year for it flowering. The tree was covered in blooms from literally the dirt to the branch tips and all fell off, or so I thought. Today I found that three little fruits have set. I think the tree will hold the fruit as the trunk and branches have thickened nicely, but if not at least I know the tree is on the path to deliver.
I figure it's about 6 years old and grafted. So if you have a GS and it's in similar circumstances as mine maybe you should give it some more time. "
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Great looking fruit Sergio. I am still waiting for my 9 year old seedling to flower. When is the flowering season for Green Sapote?
Raul
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Sergio, how old was that seedling green sapote before it fruited?
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Sergio, how old was that seedling green sapote before it fruited?
Checked the Paypal receipt and it's from Apr. 8, 2009 02:32:31 PDT.
First bloom produced a small fruit that aborted.
The second bloom produced 8 fruits that are ripening now, while the tree is finishing its third bloom.
I sowed the seeds in tall pots. I planted this one well before it became root bound.
I never pruned it and allowed it to branch naturally. Consequently, the tree is tall and first branches are
at about 1.5 m. It has been a rather fast grower.
On the down side, it shows some chlorosis from my alkaline soil and water.
I give it chelated micros from time to time.
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Congratullations Sergio! That's great news :)
I did order and receive my seeds from Oscar in June 2009. So far I did not detect any flower. This is a picture made on December 14 of one of my seedlings.
(http://s15.postimg.cc/4tkbz680n/IMG_2496.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4tkbz680n/)
Sergio, can you post a picture of your plant? What kind fertilizer do you use?
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I'd say in your climate 6 years to fruit from seed is great! Felipe, i have a green sapote seedling tree that is about 5x as big as the one in your photo and it has still not fruited. I'm just now starting to give it doses of 0-0-50 and hope that gets it to flower. It has never flowered.
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Finally two of three seedlings are fruiting for the first time! Seeds received in 2009 8)
Seedling #1
(https://s22.postimg.cc/xytzgzinx/IMG_4966.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xytzgzinx/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/l8pr3wapp/IMG_4968.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/l8pr3wapp/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/xor2bdtfh/IMG_4970.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xor2bdtfh/)
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Seedling #2
(https://s21.postimg.cc/fc3h2d8ub/IMG_4998.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fc3h2d8ub/)
(https://s21.postimg.cc/fq4t1ysxv/IMG_5000.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fq4t1ysxv/)
(https://s21.postimg.cc/ggxj7qvb7/IMG_5001.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ggxj7qvb7/)
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Well done Felipe! Great to see them fruiting in Canary Islands. Hope you enjoy them.
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Do you still get seeds of these Oscar?
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Do you still get seeds of these Oscar?
Yes but i usually sell out very fast and have a waiting list of prepaid customers.
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A few month later the trees aborted most fruits, but two are still growing. fingers crossed ::)
(https://s23.postimg.cc/fs5kp8ylz/IMG_5285.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fs5kp8ylz/)
(https://s23.postimg.cc/xw8l9vwaf/IMG_5286.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xw8l9vwaf/)
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Oscar is there difference in time required to ripen between the 3 types?
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Oscar is there difference in time required to ripen between the 3 types?
I don't know. But would guess that yes there is, even if the difference is only a slight one.
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When do green sapotes flower? I keep reading some people say spring while others say fall. Maybe depending on the variety?
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When do green sapotes flower? I keep reading some people say spring while others say fall. Maybe depending on the variety?
Some fruits on the trees right now, so guess they flowered in fall. But usually heavier fruiting late summer, so guess they also flower in spring. But flowering depends a lot on location, soil, and ferts.
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When do green sapotes flower? I keep reading some people say spring while others say fall. Maybe depending on the variety?
Some fruits on the trees right now, so guess they flowered in fall. But usually heavier fruiting late summer, so guess they also flower in spring. But flowering depends a lot on location, soil, and ferts.
When you selling seeds again Oscar. I know i have to be quick as these sell out super fast from you!!
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When do green sapotes flower? I keep reading some people say spring while others say fall. Maybe depending on the variety?
Some fruits on the trees right now, so guess they flowered in fall. But usually heavier fruiting late summer, so guess they also flower in spring. But flowering depends a lot on location, soil, and ferts.
When you selling seeds again Oscar. I know i have to be quick as these sell out super fast from you!!
Sorry, light crop and long waiting list.
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Good to know on flowering times. Thanks Oscar
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Good to know on flowering times. Thanks Oscar
Raul
Blooming now and also at the end of summer
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Great JF. Mine has been pushing new growth only. Keep waiting for one day. Thanks
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Mine in San Diego is also blooming now. None of my other pouterias are blooming though.
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First decent crop :)
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Congrats! Was it worth the wait?
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Felipe is yours a seedling or grafted? How old till it started fruiting?
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Felipe is yours a seedling or grafted? How old till it started fruiting?
As you can read in ths thread, I received the seeds in Summer 2009. Its a seedling, not grafted. I think its the third year producing. However I have three seedlings fromthe same batch and this is the only one with a good crop. The second one has been flowering like crazy for several years, but this is the first time with fruits. The third one has not flowered yet. The trees are not planted next to each other, so it is difficult to find out why they perform so different: genetics, of maybe small differences in conditions (soil, humidity, temperature, etc).
Congrats! Was it worth the wait?
Of course amigo! It was an exciting journey. First receiving the seeds from so far away, then germinating, the acclimatation in ground, then first flowers, then fruits... now it's still exciting to evaluate the production in terms of quantity, quality and size in the next years ;)