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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cambuca Help
« on: September 24, 2021, 06:13:35 PM »
Doubt it's sun. They like filtered sun light when small. I would guess it's either wrong pH or nutirent deficiency.
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I believe that Allspice is dioecious. You would probably not see fruit on a single plant, indoors or outdoors.It is dioecious. But there are occasional trees with hermaphrodite flowers that set fruit on their own. But if you are starting from seed, and only have one tree, your chances of getting fruits is very low.
I believe the original article that I read was in the American Fruit Grower Magazine. I can't remember the exact title, but is was at the back of the magazine and included a picture or two of some of the suspected progenitor species (at least one of which was native to China). They were hawthorne looking fruits and as I recall one was red and the other yellow. One was hard (crisp) and sour/bitter and the other soft (mealy) and sweet. The article mentioned how apples ended up with the better traits of both fruits. Since I can't find the original article here is another publication with a similar perspective.Thanks. Good references. Helps to explain a lot.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190527094118.htm%23:~:text%3DSeveral%2520recent%2520genetic%2520studies%2520have,together%2520and%2520causing%2520their%2520hybridization.&ved=2ahUKEwj_l8_-7IXzAhXnRDABHaBYCR4QFnoECAMQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2jYa-ztrZXqMxnfnF5oe96&cshid=1631876628223
As for the origins of the name apple (and its original meaning as fruit in general), here is an excellent and thorough article on the topic.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://medium.com/the-philipendium/a-web-of-word-connections-apple-94f9e95ec0b6&ved=2ahUKEwiKx4bT8IXzAhUURjABHf3rCIEQFnoECCsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw078bKobbsXuWFTiYNJNlC_&cshid=1631877885448
Also of interest in this article is the fact that the word Cashew comes from the original Tupi dialect. Persimmon, Saskatoon, and Chickisaw (plum) are also of Native American origins along with a slew of other fruit names for which the new commers had no conceivable parallel. People often try to associate unfamiliar things with what they know.
Although there is some discussion among experts, there seems to be a consensus that apples originally came from the far east (China) or at least central Asia and resulted as the hybrid of two Malus species that had substantially lower quality fruit. They migrated to Europe with the help of people and eventually became the most popular fruit there. In fact the word apple means "fruit" in the original English language. Now, thousands of years later we associate it with only one fruit, but in the original language it was just the generic word for fruit. This understanding clears things up quite a bit and the names make more sense when understood in that light. Thus, sugar apple originally meant "sugar fruit" etc.Interesting. Do you have a source for this information?
At current amazon price, it is actually cheaper at amazon ($1.62/lb) when compared to 50 lb bag at Do My Own ($2.59/lb)I think i paid $85 for a 50 pound bag here in Hawaii last time i bought it. And prices here are usually a lot higher due to shipping costs. So you might want to try a different source for 50 pound bags. But price of everything seems to be going up recently.
OK thanks guys for the info. I didn't think they were those Kuini mangoes because they didn't look like what I saw on the internet. Any clue what they could be? Are there any mangoes that taste like Durian but are not Kuini? lolFYI kuinis don't taste like durian. They do have a strong smell. And people tend to say that anything with a strong smell is like a durian???
Always shelter newly planted durians no matter what season. Rock dust does nothing as nutrients too tightly bound. Crusher dust does less than nothing and isnt even basalt. Listen to Neil and do the opposite I suggest. Power foliage feeding is ok for small stuff in pots I guess but can never supply a decent proportion of growing durians needs.Don't go crazy with fertiliser as it is a main cause of problems. Not more than 3 or 4 times a year for those in the ground. Be selective with good NPKs with micros and not too close to the trunk.I think the crusher dust here is good because it is volcanic rock, as good or better than granite dust. Yes minerals are tightly bound, so it takes long time for them to break down. But durian trees are going to be there many years. So it's good to add if you can get good quality dust for cheap price, like here.
Fruitlover, when dealing with the public, everything is confusing, no matter what you start out saying!I'd say that when a genus name "mangifera" is used as if it were the name of just one fruit "mango" that is already inherently confusing. What is even worse is the name mango referring only to Manifera indica and the name "wild mango" being used to refer to all other species besides indica. This seems to be the practice of Dr. Campbell and Ledesma.
The genus name, Mangifera, means "mango-bearing". By definition, the fruit of a mango-bearing tree, is a mango.
So something like, "This is a casturi, a rare species of mango, which is separate from the well-known India-type and Southeast-Asian-type mangos, that most people know," is about as clear as we can be.
You should find the book on Herranias by Schultes, it’s available somewhere online for free. If you can’t find it, let me know and I can send it to you through Google Drive. It talks about all the herrania species individually. An interesting point is that the natives keep Herranias when they clear rainforest land for farming, holding the fruit in high enough esteem to warrant leaving the trees.It's an article on herrania genus rather than a book. You can read it here: https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/8445631#page/220/mode/1up
In my limited experience, the pulp was mucilaginous and not exactly pleasant texture-wise, but the flavor was good. In the above-mentioned book, Schultes notes that the natives prefer the fruit slightly unripe, perhaps because of the texture. Lemony taste I would describe it.
Probably you can make a kind of chocolate from the seeds, but I don’t know how good it would be. Seeds are quite different than theobromas, smaller and without folded cotyledons, but they contain both caffeine and theobromine. Also, some seeds I recently got that were starting to ferment (but not enough to inhibit germination) did smell kind of like chocolate (the same as fermenting cacao seeds).
If I was in a tropical environment, I would put herranias everywhere, as the trees are small, the fruit useful, and the flowers striking.
Wow, super interesting! I wonder if I could grow either of these in my tropical climate...Growing both of them in Hawaii, so yes they grow fine in the tropics.