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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: murahilin on April 28, 2012, 10:39:30 PM
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Pitangatuba is a great fruit, very flavorful. I'm sure you would like them. Personally i prefer the rainforest plum Eugeneia candolleana, but i think there are very many unknown great eugenias out there wating to get "discovered".
Do you have any Eugenia candolleana trees growing? Do you think you may have seeds available in the future? I googled the fruit and I liked the way it looks. What is the flavor like?
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Pitangatuba is a great fruit, very flavorful. I'm sure you would like them. Personally i prefer the rainforest plum Eugeneia candolleana, but i think there are very many unknown great eugenias out there wating to get "discovered".
Do you have any Eugenia candolleana trees growing? Do you think you may have seeds available in the future? I googled the fruit and I liked the way it looks. What is the flavor like?
Yes i have 6 trees of rainforest plum growing and they fruited for first time a couple months ago. The fruit was surprisingly good, i was delighted. The taste is difficult for me to describe, but definitely plum like with a unique complex taste, very juicy and melting texture. I will be adding it to my seed list as soon as they start bearing consistently. I already sent some seeds to a few group members. The trees are supposed to fruit almost year round. The plants seem very vigorous and happy here.
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/EugeniaCandolleanaFruitsAndLeaves.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/EugeniaCandolleanaFruitsCrossection.jpg)
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Yes i have 6 trees of rainforest plum growing and they fruited for first time a couple months ago. The fruit was surprisingly good, i was delighted. The taste is difficult for me to describe, but definitely plum like with a unique complex taste, very juicy and melting texture. I will be adding it to my seed list as soon as they start bearing consistently. I already sent some seeds to a few group members. The trees are supposed to fruit almost year round. The plants seem very vigorous and happy here.
Nice pics. Your description sounds good. If you sent seeds to any of the members in FL maybe one of them can spare a seedling!
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Oscar, in CI we are waiting for seeds... 8)
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I, too, would love seeds.
Signed,
A Temperate Eugeniaphile
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Cambui Roxo (E. candolleana) is another great eugenia. I have a four feet (4) tall tree ready to be planted in the ground. It can go on full sun or half sun. It produces more on fulll sun. The fruit is absolutely delicious! It has a nice firm and sweet flesh!
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Oscar, in CI we are waiting for seeds... 8)
The same goes for all the members in Uganda! Sounds interesting...
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I'm guessing they will start fruiting heavily this summer. I have a few other eugenia species i'm experimenting with and will report as soon as they fruit.
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Adam,
I will take a closer look. My cambui roxo (E. candolleana) is growing quite well lately, lots of new leaves.
Is that little one on your photo, the one that used to have health problems when it lived near de Gulf of Mexico? Looking good, now!!!!
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Berto,
the tree that is larger is the one that had health problem! I grow them fast!
The small one was a gift from a good friend of mine, and it is slowly being brought up to speed, with chelated Fe and micro nutrition and fertilizer! They take a while, but start growing fast and happily after you treat them!
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I have a few seedlings, about 4inches each.
I'm only asking $200 each.
Don't blame me, its a supply and demand thing ;D ;)
Yes i have 6 trees of rainforest plum growing and they fruited for first time a couple months ago. The fruit was surprisingly good, i was delighted. The taste is difficult for me to describe, but definitely plum like with a unique complex taste, very juicy and melting texture. I will be adding it to my seed list as soon as they start bearing consistently. I already sent some seeds to a few group members. The trees are supposed to fruit almost year round. The plants seem very vigorous and happy here.
Nice pics. Your description sounds good. If you sent seeds to any of the members in FL maybe one of them can spare a seedling!
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Adam,
Incredible!
I will call you the "Container Master! I am glad that tree is doing great!
Thank you!
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Funny, this topic went from "Sticky" topic, at top of list highlighted, into obscurity, with no comments...
I wonder why?
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Funny, this topic went from "Sticky" topic, at top of list highlighted, into obscurity, with no comments...
I wonder why?
What do you mean?
The topics that I order other Admins or Mods find interesting, we sticky it so others can also read and reply. In order to avoid keeping too many posts in the sticky area, when we sticky something new we will often unsticky something older. In this case, I made room for Oscar's avocado rootstock post by removing the E. candolleana post. Since the E. candolleana post did not have any replies for a few days, it went to its regular non-sticky position with other posts that did not have replies since the 29th also.
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No replies since April 28th on identify my mango and its still sticky?????
Yes. It's one of those topics that people often post during mango season and to avoid multiple posts asking for help identifying. I figured it would be helpful to just have one post.
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I mean more people need to get interested in this plant, and I can't believe you stickied it, and no one commented after!
Nothing else was implied.
Funny, this topic went from "Sticky" topic, at top of list highlighted, into obscurity, with no comments...
I wonder why?
What do you mean?
The topics that I order other Admins or Mods find interesting, we sticky it so others can also read and reply. In order to avoid keeping too many posts in the sticky area, when we sticky something new we will often unsticky something older. In this case, I made room for Oscar's avocado rootstock post by removing the E. candolleana post. Since the E. candolleana post did not have any replies for a few days, it went to its regular non-sticky position with other posts that did not have replies since the 29th also.
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I mean more people need to get interested in this plant, and I can't believe you stickied it, and no one commented after!
Nothing else was implied.
Ohhh. Yea, that was odd that not many seem interested in it. Maybe once more get to try the fruit there will be more of an interest in it...
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Just bought a cubic yard of organic soil and will be planting a nice looking Eugenia Candolleana, in full sun, any time soon.
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ok ok,
i know I seem to jump the gun, pointing out what i think are flowers, as soon as growth tips appear to change...but I believe I am seeing the "twinkle in the node "of the branch, that is soon to give birth to my first blooms.
they look like a small mango inflorecense emerging. I shall post pics asap, with hopes of documenting what to look for when determining veg vs reproductive growth. Wish this detail was documented for each fruit I grow!!! I always love to watch for the earliest possible signs of flowers!!
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hope they are flowers, they look so different than the other growth I've seen...like little balls forming in a pinecone shape.
(http://s14.postimage.org/94ukv63vh/06_10_12_005.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/94ukv63vh/)
Good luck- I hope they are flowers for you.
I can't help you identify them since my tree (bush) has yet to flower.
I heard they are very good tasting, so I am excited to try it.
It looks like you fertilize your a lot. I think I will bump up the frequency I feed mine in hopes of faster fruiting.
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Adam,
That's a nice looking cambui roxo (E. candolleana). My tree is full of new growth and looking great. It looks like you will get flowers any time soon. My understanding is that it takes only a couple years for cambui roxo to fruit.
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My rainforest plums are starting to flower again right now. I think those are flowers, but not 100%. If they start to redden up they you can be sure they are flowers.
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Received some seeds from Brazil some weeks back, and they have already sprouted and appears to grow fairly fast.! Oscar how old are your plants - you mentioned it is the first time they set fruit.?
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Received some seeds from Brazil some weeks back, and they have already sprouted and appears to grow fairly fast.! Oscar how old are your plants - you mentioned it is the first time they set fruit.?
They started fruiting in 2 years. Seem very vigorous, and bug resistant as well!
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Update,
They are definitely flowers!
So my photo below is what to look at, to see earliest signs of flowering plant! Something I'd like to see for each plant I grow.
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Update,
They are definitely flowers!
So my photo below is what to look at, to see earliest signs of flowering plant! Something I'd like to see for each plant I grow.
As you probably already noticed, a lot of things in this field if you want them you have to be the one to do them. ;) So yes, it would be great if you could photo document all these rare plants first coming into flower. I've never even thought of it as have too many plants to be so carefully watching them all the time. Right now i'm happy if i can document: flower, fruit, fruit crossection, seed, and seedling sprouting. But what you suggest is definitely important also!
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Please let me know when the seeds are available. The plants look great and I would love to try and grow some. Thanks.
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Got a better pic of my E. candolleana since its been repotted, and started to bloom
Here are some pics of the flowers opening at night!
now if I can just get this plant to be an exception to the rule!!! and set some stinking fruits the first time it flowers!
I want more seeds!!! and of course to taste this highly rated and super rare Eugenia.
(http://s16.postimage.org/4r8xbetjl/6_28_12figwrap_008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4r8xbetjl/)
(http://s16.postimage.org/masbfm8lt/6_28_12figwrap_006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/masbfm8lt/)
(http://s16.postimage.org/b146yesy9/6_28_12figwrap_007.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/b146yesy9/)
My rainforest plum plants are totally carpeted in flowers right now. Didn't get a shot as i was too busy mowing. My plants did fruit the first time they flowered, and flowered more sparsely the first time, like in your photo.
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Here you can see what i mean by heavy flowering of rainforest plum:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/EugeniaCandolleanaHeavyFlowering.jpg)
Flowers are quite small. Here you can see a closeup of the flowers:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/EugeniaCandolleanaFlowersCloseup.jpg)
Here you can see some fruits next to flowers:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/EugeniaCandolleanaFlowersAndFruits.jpg)
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Wow that is quite a show! I hope it puts on bunches of ruit for an encore performance.
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I just noticed the start of flower buds on my plant also. I hope to get to taste it this year.
Oscar- great pictures (as usual!).
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Nice looking cambui roxo flowers! I gave away or traded several cambui roxo with friends. They all flowered except the ones I kept.... ;D ;D ;D I am wondering what I need to change in their diet! They are getting plenty of water and lots of organic matter! Hum! I am going to call my friends and ask them to return those plants! ;D ;D ;D
Cambui roxo is one of the best eugenias, there is! Delicious!
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Nice looking cambui roxo flowers! I gave away or traded several cambui roxo with friends. They all flowered except the ones I kept.... ;D ;D ;D I am wondering what I need to change in their diet! They are getting plenty of water and lots of organic matter! Hum! I am going to call my friends and ask them to return those plants! ;D ;D ;D
Cambui roxo is one of the best eugenias, there is! Delicious!
I alternate feeding them with slow release pelleted fertilizer and manure, about every 3 months. Right now they are growing super fast and i think i planted them way too close! Will eventually get into LARGE tree!
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I'm curious if any members of the forum can confirm whether or not somebody has fruited Eugenia candolleana on mainland USA? In CA or FL possibly? (Oscar congrats! I think you may be the only person I know of at all, outside of brazil, with bearing specimens)
I was hoping that this could be confirmed here, or at least commented on, by those who might have good info about this plants introduction to USA, and mainland USA.
I have a hunch that this plant is a bit too obscure even now, and it may not have come to our attention in USA until after the year 2000? The tree is also so precocious I'd imagine if someone had one in Continental US, they'd be happy to sell seeds or seedlings... but maybe someone has one and has been happily eating the amazing fruits for the past 3-5 yrs?? and maybe that somebody doesn't speak English too well, being Portuguese may be their language of choice!? and they might be one who hates computers! and uploading pictures.
seems anything could be lurking out there though! wouldn't be surprised if someones already been fruiting it in South CA, or FL somehow.
Thanks in advance to those who might participate in this discussion.
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Hi Adam, hope to change that situation soon. My rainforest plum trees are absolutely loaded with fruits this year, so plan to sell the seeds through my website.
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Oscar,
I'm hoping to have bragging rights of being the first grower documented to fruit a E. candolleana on mainland USA.
If I'm lucky enough to have fruits this year (finally have some set now, but I know they can all fall off at anytime with my luck) I will be eager to taste them, and put the seeds to good use. My nephew likes to put them in the oven, and then paint them...so he can make beaded necklaces for arts and crafts class in school. What a creative little guy! and I'm so glad the seeds aren't being wasted!
Here's some pics of what might be the first fruits of E candolleana in FL or maybe within the 48 contiguous.
Flowers thick and heavy, very densely packed! FULL SUN!!
(http://s18.postimage.org/9a4efnu2t/9_5_12_annona_004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9a4efnu2t/)
Flowers smell amazing, and shed pollen everywhere. The bees seemed to ignore the flowers for the most part, maybe because this young flowering plant caught them by surprise, and they didn't expect a bounty of flowers to feast on? I'm guessing this species is sufficiently pollinated with wind...but sryphid flies and bees go crazy for the fragrance I bet.
(http://s18.postimage.org/in0e618g5/9_5_12_annona_005.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/in0e618g5/)
Some of the first fruits starting to fill out...the fruits set quite abundantly with this 3rd and most numerous array of blooms my tree has produced. Of course when I go outside each day, I notice that about only 5-10% of flowers will eventually grow up to be consumable fruit.
(http://s18.postimage.org/61zx2m7t1/9_6_12_annona_043.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/61zx2m7t1/)
A special thanks to those who were wise enough to plant these seeds (u know who u r ;)), and obtain these plants years ahead of the masses. You have a special place in my garden's heart.
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Wjat happened with Ed's plants? I thought his flowered a long time ago? Or is my mind playing tricks on me? Did the flowers fall off without setting?
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Hi Adam, hope to change that situation soon. My rainforest plum trees are absolutely loaded with fruits this year, so plan to sell the seeds through my website.
Oscar, when will seeds be avaible?
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Looks real yummy!
I love the Eugenias!
How does this compare to other Eugenias in terms of growing?
Anyone with seeds to share?
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Ill be interested in acquiring some seeds when someone has them available
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Hi Adam, hope to change that situation soon. My rainforest plum trees are absolutely loaded with fruits this year, so plan to sell the seeds through my website.
Oscar, when will seeds be avaible?
Felipe, seeds should be ready in 1-2 weeks. I will add candolleana to my seed page on website. Will be listed as rainforest plum.
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Very simple! Plums, apples, and cherries! That's It! ;D ;D ;D Sugar apple; Java Plum; Surinam Cherry; Apple apples; Plum plum; and cherry cherry! What is wrong with "cambui", "murta", or "candolleana"?
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Very simple! Plums, apples, and cherries! That's It! ;D ;D ;D Sugar apple; Java Plum; Surinam Cherry; Apple apples; Plum plum; and cherry cherry! What is wrong with "cambui", "murta", or "candolleana"?
There's nothing wrong with the Brazilian names, in fact i like them, and will include them as a second name. I've already used some Portuguese names exclusively where there is no accpeted english name, as with pitangatuba, pitomba and acai. The only problem is most people don't speak Portuguese, so have a hard time relating to, pronouncing, and remembering, these names.
For the most part i agree with you that the english names are not very inventive, rather boring in fact. But in case of rainforest plum i rather like that name because it really does look and taste somewhat similar to plum.
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I think that rainforest plum tastes better and sells better than cambui, murta, or candolleana!
Just for the record, pitangatuba, acai, and pitomba are words from the "Tupi" language. Tupi was the main language spoken by native Brasilians prior to the arrival of the Portuguese in 1500.
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I have plenty of rainforest plum (Eugenia candolleana) seeds available now. Plants are exploding with flowers and fruits at the same time. Will post photos later. Anybody interested in seeds can order from my seed web page: http://fruitlovers.com/seedlist.html (http://fruitlovers.com/seedlist.html)
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but maybe someone has one and has been happily eating the amazing fruits for the past 3-5 yrs?? and maybe that somebody doesn't speak English too well, being Portuguese may be their language of choice!? and they might be one who hates computers! and uploading pictures.
seems anything could be lurking out there though! wouldn't be surprised if someones already been fruiting it in South CA, or FL somehow.
Thanks in advance to those who might participate in this discussion.
That would be me Adam , since the fruit is soooo good I have been eating them all and planting the seeds for several years now . Also was before I knew of this forum ....
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Hi Luc, yes it was one of those people that you describe that originally sent me the candolleana and lots of other great seeds: a young Brazilian, i believe 16 at the time by name of Thiago. I have since lost contact with him. Anybody else know who i'm talking about?
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Hi Luc, yes it was one of those people that you describe that originally sent me the candolleana and lots of other great seeds: a young Brazilian, i believe 16 at the time by name of Thiago. I have since lost contact with him. Anybody else know who i'm talking about?
The son of Adelicio ? Haven't heard from him either .....
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Also , the candolleana fruits several times a year
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Holy toledo! These rainforest plum (cambui roxo) plants are flowering and fruiting up a storm, as you can see in these photos:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/EugeniaCandolleanaBushMassFlowering.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/EugeniaCandolleanaMassFloweringWithFruits.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/EugeniaCandolleanaFloweringBushAndFruits.jpg)
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Has anyone decribed the flavor/taste/flesh content of this fruit? Beautiful tree, that's for sure. Very showy bloom. Thanks for posting.
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Has anyone decribed the flavor/taste/flesh content of this fruit? Beautiful tree, that's for sure. Very showy bloom. Thanks for posting.
Yes i believe i did describe the taste right at the beginning of this thread Harry. It's the best of the eugenias that i've tasted. Very juicy and somewhat reminicent in color and taste of a plum. BTW, i noticed some variation in taste in my plants, some have a slight bitter after taste, and others not, i have 6 of them. Also they seem to bloom at slightly different times.
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after a a while...I notice the tree will grow so tall so fast, the canopy topples over like a bramble !!
I was starting to like the shape of the canopy, and suddenly one side started to lay flat!
your trees seem to do this Oscar.
no?
and btw! Looks like there will be a candolleana tasting on in FL this year soon! my tree is making and holding several rounds of fruit...still blooming heavily as well.
on mainland this maybe the first time these cherries will be popped into eager mouths who await to taste this rare Eugenia!
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after a a while...I notice the tree will grow so tall so fast, the canopy topples over like a bramble !!
I was starting to like the shape of the canopy, and suddenly one side started to lay flat!
your trees seem to do this Oscar.
no?
and btw! Looks like there will be a candolleana tasting on in FL this year soon! my tree is making and holding several rounds of fruit...still blooming heavily as well.
on mainland this maybe the first time these cherries will be popped into eager mouths who await to taste this rare Eugenia!
Adam, my plants are still only 4-5 feet tall, so too early to tell yet. But so far they seem to be very bushy...wider than taller, so don't think they will topple. My big mistake was that i planted them way too close together. In searching my images i found photos i took in Brazil and this tree gets very large....eventually. So i may have to thin them out. Or keep them very well pruned.
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Seems like a lot of those rainforest plum flowers will set fruit. I spent about an hour picking fruits today off 3 plants and wound up with 16 pounds of rainforest plum fruits! Seems like this fruit has commercial promise. Probably doesn't keep too long. I would guess like jaboticaba (which they resemble very much when in a bag). But would be good for local markets. Taste is sweet, quite juicy, with just a little bit of pleasant tartness to balance the sweet. Also they have a bit of salty taste. After eating a lot of them water tasted sweet. I guess because of the sodium in the fruit?
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/EugeniaCandolleanaFruitngBush.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/EugeniaCandolleanaFruitingBranch.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/EugeniaCandolleanFruitingCluster.jpg)
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Very nice photos of the Rain Forest Plum Oscar! Has me anticipating trying my first fruit!
Ed
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Nice pictures, Oscar. How'd you pose the fly?
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a few fruits have dropped but about 10 held on, and more are setting now...and more flowers coming again. I'm most likely going to green house this one to keep production going as long as I can...I don't want that first winter chill to freeze off my fruits!
this ones been growing so fast its crazy! Way faster than surinam cherry. Or any other Eugenia I can think of off hand.
I have one fruit that looks .like it wants to ripen up before the rest!!! I cant wait to see some plums hanging on the tree ready to pluck!
(http://fruitingplants.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/9-30-2012annon-022-e1349068335848.jpg?w=768)
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Yes, this species of eugenia is the most vigorous i've seen. Also it seems totally bug proof so far. Even the fruit flies don't seem to bug these fruits. So far the birds haven't bothered them either.
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... So far the birds haven't bothered them either.
Are you sure that's a good sign? :)
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some fruits I can almost taste!!
For the 15 fruits that set about 3 weeks ago, it looks like all fell off from that crop, besides about 4.
now a whole new set of fruit is coming, and more flowers to.
I watered the tree enough, making sure not to let drought be a culprit that induces fruit drop.
So I'm quite certain the tree aborts about 80-90% or more of all flowers that set fruit.
I think about 2 weeks away from being able to take some pics, and write a wacky review of the flavor.
(http://s17.postimage.org/9s1masdm3/10_06_2012_007.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9s1masdm3/)
(http://s17.postimage.org/8w54vc3xn/10_06_2012_005.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8w54vc3xn/)
(http://s17.postimage.org/5uecldqsr/10_06_2012_006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5uecldqsr/)
Also...one more thing...I noticed on most of my eugenias, especially jaboticabas, the bark has to peel before you ever get flowers or fruits....but this rainforest plum grows so fast, I don't think it peeled until recently. Anyhow, here is a pic of the trunk starting to peel, and look amazing.
(http://s17.postimage.org/r914s5p0r/10_06_2012_008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/r914s5p0r/)
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Hope you get to try the fruit soon Adam! The bark is peeling on my Rain Forest Plum. So hopefully I will get fruit soon!
Ed
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Oscar,
I have Thiago's mailing address. If interested, just send me a private email.
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Adam, my plants did same on first flowering, few set fruits. Second flowering like i said in previous got 16 pounds of fruit from 3 plants in just one picking. So i would say eventually a high percentage of flowers will set fruit.
Other good news is that the fruits keep rather well in the fridge. Still good eating after one week in the fridge.
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Looks like the fruit ripened up way faster than I thought.
Here is a pic from tonight, of the same full sized green fruit I uploaded yesterday.
Once they are full sized, they turn black within 72 hrs. (mine is almost black
So maybe I will get to finally have my bragging rights tomorrow (unless a rat comes in the middle of the night...to steal my fruit!!! or a cardinal in the morning!!!) I'm going to have to camp out by the tree, like those geeks that camp out front of the apple store when a new iphone comes out.
I'm about to make history here...LOL ;D ;D
I'm going to call the local TV news tomorrow...this is big. ;D ;D
(http://s17.postimage.org/kyaj8ib2j/10_06_2012.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kyaj8ib2j/)
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Great job Adam! Looking forward to the taste report!
Ed
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Oscar
very nice photos, good you didn't send to the photo contest this year LOL
where are you traveling?
Hugs
Carlos
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Oscar
very nice photos, good you didn't send to the photo contest this year LOL
where are you traveling?
Hugs
Carlos
Glad you liked the photos Carlos. Watch out, will send them to contest next year! Going to India.
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I finally got to taste a rainforest plum today.
and here is what I can say.
It definitely outshines grumichama, cherry of rio grande, pitomba, and pretty much any other Eugenia you can find in America.
To me, the most phenomenal thing about this fruit would have to be it's firm texture, and distinct aroma/flavor that I find to be exceptionally pleasant...and unlike any other fruit I can think of.
It's hard to compare to anything, but my best attempt is as follows,
A cherry of the rio grande, with the texture of a firm abiu? smooth pulp, yet very firm...and skin that has unique eugenia aroma...I can't match to any other fruit. (to me the skin of this fruit is somehow reminiscent of red delicious apple skin/mixed with a cherry of rio grand skin)
I wish I had more to eat! If I get more fruits, I have to share them with a few buddies I promised samples to! The good news is, this Eugenia can definitely handle transit...and could possibly be picked a tad early to help slow down post harvest deterioration.
Simply put...I highly recommend this beautiful rare delicious Eugenia.
on the last picture Looook how these plums can be sliced up!!! they have the best texture and taste!!
(http://s9.postimage.org/9if08kaxn/10_08_2012_003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9if08kaxn/)
(http://s9.postimage.org/o5kk3yyxn/10_08_2012_004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/o5kk3yyxn/)
(http://s9.postimage.org/4die4ondn/10_08_2012_005.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4die4ondn/)
(http://s9.postimage.org/bxbh6qgkb/10_08_2012_006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bxbh6qgkb/)
(http://s9.postimage.org/b43gruzx7/10_08_2012_008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/b43gruzx7/)
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Great shots Adam! Thanx for sharing ;)
Is the fruit sweet or acidic like most/many eugenias?
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(http://s9.postimage.org/bxbh6qgkb/10_08_2012_006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bxbh6qgkb/)
Thanks for posting this very descript account of your tasting experience. This one picture is very interesting to me for some reason. The flesh, as you describe, looks very firm and not like many of the other Eugenias I have encountered. Do you think this fruit was completely ripe? With limited availability of fruit it may be hard to really say when the peak of ripeness occcurs. I would be most interested in your account of trying different fruits at slightly different stages of ripeness. Thanks in advance.
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Great pictures and comments Adam! Thanks for always inspiring all of us with the plants you fruit! The Rain Forest Plum seems to be a must have for all eugenia collections!
Ed
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Harry
keen observation!
the fruit could have softened more, but it was almost totally black, and tasted amazing!
I wasn't about to wait for a bird to peck it, or for it to fall into my hand!
it could have stayed in the tree longer...I think it would have been more juicy, succulent, but not too much softer.
the texture really is very firm, the opposite of a bad grumichma!!
(http://s9.postimage.org/bxbh6qgkb/10_08_2012_006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bxbh6qgkb/)
Thanks for posting this very descript account of your tasting experience. This one picture is very interesting to me for some reason. The flesh, as you describe, looks very firm and not like many of the other Eugenias I have encountered. Do you think this fruit was completely ripe? With limited availability of fruit it may be hard to really say when the peak of ripeness occcurs. I would be most interested in your account of trying different fruits at slightly different stages of ripeness. Thanks in advance.
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btw...when some fruits are ripe, the seed rattles around like a pitangatuba, or avocado.
this is another reason I decided to go ahead and eat the fruit!
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Hi Adam,
This is great news for an Eugenia collector like me! I was happy to see on your picture that it's a fair amount of flesh. So not really a flavor of plum in your opinion?
Tomas
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Great shots Adam! Thanx for sharing ;)
Is the fruit sweet or acidic like most/many eugenias?
if there is any acidity, I'd say the acid to sweet ratio is about 10% acid , 90% sweet.
it's not acidic really at all to me.
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Take a lot at my previous photos. When fruit is fully ripe it has some purple veins in the pulp. Also they are quite juicy when ripe. I notice the ones not fully ripe have a bit of bitterness to them. They are best when they fall into your hand, but i understand about the birds possibly getting there first. Anyway soon you will have enough for you, the birds, your friends, your neighborhood, etc. They are very productive plants!
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not a trace of bitterness.
I think its a matter of preference when to eat these!
I eat my fruits as early as possible...and that's how I ate this fruit!
It was divine!
(the black coloration is what alerts birds to the fact that the fruit is ready!!! If an animal could have seen the fruit, it would have jammed it into it's mouth and ran away, to take pics and write a review online before I could... ;D ;D ;D. U can eat them early or late! I didn't have the option to wait...so no we know what the fruit looks like and tastes like when eaten at the earliest stage of ripeness...LOL)
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not a trace of bitterness.
I think its a matter of preference when to eat these!
I eat my fruits as early as possible...and that's how I ate this fruit!
It was divine!
(the black coloration is what alerts birds to the fact that the fruit is ready!!! U can eat them early or late! I didn't have the option to wait...so no we know what the fruit looks like and tastes like when eaten at the earliest stage of ripeness...LOL)
I notice that fruits from different plants taste differently. Also that there was difference in taste from first fruiting to other fruitings. So i think you're in for some surprises. Glad you liked the fruit so much. I was also surprised by it's good qualities.
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I'm sure u r right Oscar.
I have two more fruits that I thought would fill out more, and they stayed small and turned black overnight.
I'm going to risk it, and let them hang around longer...maybe they will taste different.
So far I'm glad it has been extra impressive....much more than Pitomba, and cherry of rio, and grumichama. Funny enough, E. uniflora has grown on me...and a good selection of E. unilfora out shines almost all Eugenia fruits I can think of.
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hi Tomas,
it didn't remind me of any plum ive ever eaten, more like a Eugenia, and the best I've had!
Hi Adam,
This is great news for an Eugenia collector like me! I was happy to see on your picture that it's a fair amount of flesh. So not really a flavor of plum in your opinion?
Tomas
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I love them and find them sweet and tasty! One of the best eugenias, no doubt!
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Only about 2 fruits I can see on my tree!
I promised to share them with a few friends of mine :) :) :) :)
So hopefully we will see how the UPS service treats them, if a bird doesn't treat itself first.
Sorry to my friends who I'm sending these fruits to! but I can't stop the lizards from pooping on the plums. LOLOL wash them before you eat them!!! ;D ;D ;D
they look like they'll be ready to eat early next week!!!
Flowers are still coming! all over!
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Very nice looking tree and in a container on top of that.
The seeds I have are still trying trying to finish sprouting.
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I had a pair of rainforest plums that stayed on the tree for much longer than I expected.
I had to take a short trip, and left them on the tree for 3 days longer than usual.
So I hope they were perfectly ripe!
I promised I'd let my friends taste these, so each one got sent to a buddy.
Here are the fruits before picking, and as I packaged them up. ( in a jewelry box, between the cotton insert for cushion)
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Hi Adam,
Do you have any idea if rainforest plum fruits many times in a year similar to pitangatuba?
Tomas
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Hi Adam,
Do you have any idea if rainforest plum fruits many times in a year similar to pitangatuba?
Tomas
At least 2 x a year here Tomas .
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Finally got to try the Rain Forest Plum today thanks to Adam! This is now my favorite eugenia! This is a must grow eugenia! Thanks again Adam!
Ed
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I really liked the nice firm texture! The flavor was like better than the best Grumichamas that I've tried!
Ed
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Dang Ed!!!
That berry looked sooo juicy and much more darker fleshed than the one I ate (super early, as I always do ;D )
I have to try one like the one you ate!
It looks way sweeter! but still firm!
I wonder if the fruit got really hot in the UPS truck? or facility?
I guess I now know how to properly package perishable precious plums.
HAHA..
thanks again for sharing the photos and enthusiasm for this amazing Eugenia.
Take care...until the next batch of fruit!
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Hi Adam,
Do you have any idea if rainforest plum fruits many times in a year similar to pitangatuba?
Tomas
It fruits very similar to pitangatuba!
At least 6 months of the year!
If I play my cards right, my tree will continue blooming and fruiting in a greenhouse...as long as the tree doesn't go dormant!
Then it won't fruit for a good 2-4 months or longer...depending. (these are all estimates...so quote me if you want, but don't sue me... ;D )
They have a very long and abundant fruiting season.
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Yes Adam it was very juicy for a fruit that size. Also it still had really nice firm flesh. I has able to cut it into quarters and let everyone in the house try the fruit! I told them it was a rare opportunity to get to try the Rain Forest Plum!
Thanks,
Ed
Dang Ed!!!
That berry looked sooo juicy and much more darker fleshed than the one I ate (super early, as I always do ;D )
I have to try one like the one you ate!
It looks way sweeter! but still firm!
I wonder if the fruit got really hot in the UPS truck? or facility?
I guess I now know how to properly package perishable precious plums.
HAHA..
thanks again for sharing the photos and enthusiasm for this amazing Eugenia.
Take care...until the next batch of fruit!
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Ed,
thanks for the update!
more fruit will be heading your way!
Ross sapote (less than 2 weeks away) and rollinia (earlier next year)???
and whatever else I can send.
I'm trying to make Harry and David jealous.
Lol.
thanks again for the details about the fruit!
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Adam have you grafted any of the Rain Forest Plum? I was wondering if Cherry of the Rio Grande would be a good rootstock?
Ed
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I have grafted one...it failed because of improper technique.
I haven't found a compatible rootstock yet...besides itself...but I know there is one out there.
I was scared to waste precious plant material...but next year I'll have more scions. (not to share with everyone, sorry :( )
I'll keep u posted on my attempts!
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I have grafted one...it failed because of improper technique.
I haven't found a compatible rootstock yet...besides itself...but I know there is one out there.
I was scared to waste precious plant material...but next year I'll have more scions. (not to share with everyone, sorry :( )
I'll keep u posted on my attempts!
Looking forward to seeing your posts also on your attempts. ;)
How's the Maha doing.
Joe.
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hey Joe,
the maha is doing nicely!
I have plans to graft up some, trying the inverted T bud, all over again.
this time I will not fail as miserably! I've learned from my mistakes!
I can do it, just like Zill...but it may take a while to perfect.
I will keep you posted.
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I can do it, just like Zill...but it may take a while to perfect.
I will keep you posted.
I look forward to "ASaffron's high performance plants"! :)
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E.Candolleana needs what types of soil and any special culture for the seedlings?
My E.Candolleana seedlings
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Acid soil, well drained, but holds moisture!
use can use a mix of peat moss (up to 60% or more of mix), pinebark fines (size if dime and smaller,up to 40% of mix), coarse grain silica sand (no more than about 15%), perlite (5-10% optional), red clay?? (10-20% ? )
fertilize regularly and in moderate amounts, during periods of active growth. I recommend an organic fertilizer if possible, but osmocote ( and other inorganic ferts) will be just as well.
just be careful not too over feed!
also don't let the ph get high ( above 6.5).
move the tree into full sun after it gets about a foot tall, it will fruit
not long after (maybe a year and a half)
good luck
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Acid soil, well drained, but holds moisture!
use can use a mix of peat moss (up to 60% or more of mix), pinebark fines (size if dime and smaller,up to 40% of mix), coarse grain silica sand (no more than about 15%), perlite (5-10% optional), red clay?? (10-20% ? )
fertilize regularly and in moderate amounts, during periods of active growth. I recommend an organic fertilizer if possible, but osmocote ( and other inorganic ferts) will be just as well.
just be careful not too over feed!
also don't let the ph get high ( above 6.5).
move the tree into full sun after it gets about a foot tall, it will fruit
not long after (maybe a year and a half)
good luck
Hi ASaffron,
Is it possible to feed the seedling with bat guano? I am afraid the guanos is to strong for the seedlings roots.
Cheers
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Faezal I'm sure there are many bat guano enthusiasts here but I say hold yourself back.Put them in bigger pots on their own with fertile soil with lots of humus content and only use the mildest fertlisers you can find that have NPK.Plant out at 30cm and shade them at first.
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Faezal I'm sure there are many bat guano enthusiasts here but I say hold yourself back.Put them in bigger pots on their own with fertile soil with lots of humus content and only use the mildest fertlisers you can find that have NPK.Plant out at 30cm and shade them at first.
Hi Mike,
Thanks
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Hi All,
At what age E. Candolleana bear fruit? if it is planted with seeds .
cheers
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Hi All,
At what age E. Candolleana bear fruit? if it is planted with seeds .
cheers
About 3 years if you treat them well .
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if this was a jaboticaba tree, I'd be having a fit! Even so...I'm still having a fit. I liked the look of the bark on the rainforest plum...now all of these suckers might crowd it out, so I can't see it anymore!
Oh well, hopefully the tree will stay compact, and have more fruiting branches down low...I want to keep it in a pot!
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Oscar,
I have one Candolleana 5 years in the ground 4mtr. high and two since 3 years growing 3mtr.high.
How long are the taking to bear fruit?
Helmut
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Oscar,
I have one Candolleana 5 years in the ground 4mtr. high and two since 3 years growing 3mtr.high.
How long are the taking to bear fruit?
Helmut
Any day now Helmut .
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Oscar,
I have one Candolleana 5 years in the ground 4mtr. high and two since 3 years growing 3mtr.high.
How long are the taking to bear fruit?
Helmut
Mine all started fruiting when less than one meter tall. Are you fertilizing your plants?
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Luc,
Thank's for your support
Helmut
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Any of you ever tried to graft or root cuttings of E. candolleana?
Ed
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Any of you ever tried to graft or root cuttings of E. candolleana?
Ed
I haven't, but a few weeks ago i put some air layers on them.
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Oh ok good Oscar! Let us know how they work out! I plan to try to root some cuttings but I hate to waste the wood if it doesn't work.
Ed
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Oh ok good Oscar! Let us know how they work out! I plan to try to root some cuttings but I hate to waste the wood if it doesn't work.
Ed
Ed, I have tried the rooting from Oscar's cuttings, but that failed. If you have a mist system, it's probably worth the try.
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Oh ok good Oscar! Let us know how they work out! I plan to try to root some cuttings but I hate to waste the wood if it doesn't work.
Ed
Ed, I have tried the rooting from Oscar's cuttings, but that failed. If you have a mist system, it's probably worth the try.
Thera, i forget what kind of wood i sent you of the rainforest plum, but may not have been mature enough? Some trees start better from old wood, others from green wood. Just have to experiment with that one to find out. Yes mist house and rooting hormone would sure help.
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Thanks Thera and Oscar! I will try some green wood and some older mature branches.
Thanks,
Ed
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if this was a jaboticaba tree, I'd be having a fit! Even so...I'm still having a fit. I liked the look of the bark on the rainforest plum...now all of these suckers might crowd it out, so I can't see it anymore!
Oh well, hopefully the tree will stay compact, and have more fruiting branches down low...I want to keep it in a pot!
(http://s17.postimg.cc/soadtj36j/4_22_13_003.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/soadtj36j/)
Hi Adam, apparently that kind of forking at the trunk is not so uncommon with E. candolleana. Take a look at this photo of a mature tree that i took at the Rio botanical garden. Yes rainforest plum tree can get very big!:
(http://s22.postimg.cc/79zt7ms7h/Eugenia_candolleana_leaves_and_trunk2_A.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/79zt7ms7h/)
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holly cacao!
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holly cacao!
Yes. I am wondering at the sanity of my 8 foot spacings on the row i planted. I wish i had looked up the size of that tree BEFORE i planted them. :( :'(
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No, Oscar I don't fertilize anything ,everything is growing with only Watering
Helmut
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No, Oscar I don't fertilize anything ,everything is growing with only Watering
Helmut
Helmut, many plants will grow and fruit also here without fertilizing. I've done comparisons and see huge differences in growth and fruiting rates with and without fertilizers. For example, a mangosteen that is not fertilized here took 22 years to fruit. Regularly and heavily fertilized plants can be made to fruit as fast as 5-6 years.
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O.K. Oscar,
Will give it a try sparingly for those who are way behind there Fruiting time.
Is amonium sulfate inough?
Helmut
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O.K. Oscar,
Will give it a try sparingly for those who are way behind there Fruiting time.
Is amonium sulfate inough?
Helmut
Is your soil alkaline? Ammonium sulfate is for use on alkaline soils.
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No,Oscar my soil is Clay mostly PH 4-6.5
Helmut
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No,Oscar my soil is Clay mostly PH 4-6.5
Helmut
In that case if you're going to go chemical route, better to use ammonium nitrate.
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Thank's very much for the suggestion
Helmut
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Correction ,
I have a Candolliana but only a small one ,what i'm talking abaut is Jambolan.
Helmut
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No,Oscar my soil is Clay mostly PH 4-6.5
Helmut
sounds like great soil for jaboticabas and eugenias
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Oscar!!
the candolleana seeds I got from you a little more than 1yr ago?
in one gal pots...only 12 inch tall...are beginning to flower!!!!
it's the most precocious Eugenia I've seen.
the variety you have also seems to be much less sensitive to city water...and it seems even more precocious than the variety I have...which has broader leaves.
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Oscar!!
the candolleana seeds I got from you a little more than 1yr ago?
in one gal pots...only 12 inch tall...are beginning to flower!!!!
it's the most precocious Eugenia I've seen.
the variety you have also seems to be much less sensitive to city water...and it seems even more precocious than the variety I have...which has broader leaves.
Whoa! You must done something right Adam. You must have done EVERYthing right! I don't think they normally flower so young. Mine took a whole lot longer than that. Good to hear of your very rapid success. BTW mine are also flowering right now. Not a massive explosion of flowers like last year, but only a couple of plants started flowering, so i think they haven't fully kicked into flowering mode yet.
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do these require cross pollination or not? Have gifted one of my 8 seedlings on my mom and need to know if i need to give her another... thanks, experts!
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do these require cross pollination or not? Have gifted one of my 8 seedlings on my mom and need to know if i need to give her another... thanks, experts!
They're self pollinating. I believe that all eugenias are.
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sorry I couldnt post pics!
Eugenia candolleana is blooming like crazy...very tightly packed clusters of flowers on the ends of the branches...looking like a crepe myrtle.
luckily there's been no rain...so the flowers shouldnt be prone to get fungus or bacteria problems.
I saw a sawfly pollenating the flowers...which btw, smell like jaboticaba flowers that have been micturated upon by a cat.
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oops forgot to ask!
I'm also wondering if anyone else has blooms on their candolleanas?
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anyone knows its frost resistance?
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My 5 year old plant survived 25 F this winter and is now recovered with blooms.
Thanks,
Ed
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My 5 year old plant survived 25 F this winter and is now recovered with blooms.
Thanks,
Ed
Him, thanks for reporting: what kind of damages did it had?
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Lost over 3/4s of foliage and really small twigs were dead. Any branches 1/4 inch and larger no damage at all.
Ed
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Is it easy to root cuttings?
Jacob
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I have never tried to root or graft so not sure
Ed
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Is it easy to root cuttings?
Jacob
I've tried that but with extremely small scions (1/10th inch) with powder and liquid rooting hormone. Failed!
Grafting seems to be a better way to propagate rainforest plum. Oscar is attempting air layering right now. We should know soon, hopefully, if that is a viable way to go or not.
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just harvested some nice sized fruits! and a few runts...
I'm surprised by how small the seeds are this time.
Also...you really have to let them turn black, and then stay on the tree for a few more days at full coloration, for them to have maximum flavor.
it's a bit of a down side I guess...because all of the birds see them before they're really ready to eat.
Still one of my favorite eugenias!
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My plant is in full bloom right now! I hope to get to try some perfectly ripen fruit soon! This will be my 3rd time blooming this year!
Ed
Texas
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just harvested some nice sized fruits! and a few runts...
I'm surprised by how small the seeds are this time.
Also...you really have to let them turn black, and then stay on the tree for a few more days at full coloration, for them to have maximum flavor.
it's a bit of a down side I guess...because all of the birds see them before they're really ready to eat.
Still one of my favorite eugenias!
photos! photos! photos! photos!
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how can i get some seeds or a plant?
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I would also love some seeds.
How does candolleana compare to the surinam cherry (ugenia uniflora)?
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Luisport,
get seeds from www.fruitlovers.com (http://www.fruitlovers.com)
I bought some seeds from Oscar, and I had one seedling start to flower in less than 2 yrs, in a one gal pot, about 15inch tall!
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Luisport,
get seeds from www.fruitlovers.com (http://www.fruitlovers.com)
I bought some seeds from Oscar, and I had one seedling start to flower in less than 2 yrs, in a one gal pot, about 15inch tall!
Thank's ;)
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I would also love some seeds.
How does candolleana compare to the surinam cherry (ugenia uniflora)?
They taste quite different. The candolleana has more of a plum-like taste, and no resiny tones, as does surinam.
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I would also love some seeds.
How does candolleana compare to the surinam cherry (ugenia uniflora)?
They taste quite different. The candolleana has more of a plum-like taste, and no resiny tones, as does surinam.
Thanks.
Seeds ordered
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The holy toledo experience continues! I spent about an hour picking first crop of the year of rainforest plum and just weighed them and the box was 18 pounds of fruit, off 4 plants. And i didn't even pick everything on the plants because it started getting dark. It's one of those plants you can spend hours picking the fruits because it fruits from top to bottom. Also there were so MANY small developing fruits, and flowers at the same time that it's loaded with fruits. To top it off not all the plants fruit at the same time so the crop will go on for several months as even side by side plants are staggered in production time. This is definitely a candidate for commercial production. Seems like it can feed a hungry world.
I cut a lot of fruits open to remove seeds and popped the halved fruits skin and all into the blender. Made a wonderful smoothie. On its own it was very thick like a purple colored puree. So i then added a couple of bananas, a mango, and some ice cubes for an incredible taste treat. Just watch out as it will stain you and your sink purple.
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Just checked the 2 E C I got from Oscar. Growing slowly but healthy. What could I graft these guys onto to get them growing and fruiting faster. And what size should they be and what is the success rate for grafting these Eugenias.
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Just checked the 2 E C I got from Oscar. Growing slowly but healthy. What could I graft these guys onto to get them growing and fruiting faster. And what size should they be and what is the success rate for grafting these Eugenias.
(http://s23.postimg.cc/fg4itgd3r/R_F_plumbbb_001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fg4itgd3r/)
I think the main reason for grafting them will be to get superior fruits from selected strains. I will be offering scion wood off the ones with best fruit for people that are interested. I haven't grafted them but i would think safest best would be to use the same species for rootstock. Adam pointed out he got his plants to fruit in only 2 years. Mine took longer, but still they will start fruiting when very small. Main thing is to give them consistent fert. I think mine was less than 3 feet tall when started fruiting. Also keep in mind that this is NOT surinam cherry. NOT a little bushy tree. This can get to be a very big and tall tree. So don't do like i did :'(, and give them plenty of room.
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excellent advice Oscar.
btw, my little tree (2yr old) has some fruits setting now...and continues to bloom.
I will try to post a pic of the tree with it's first crop...it's in a 3 gal pot now, and it still only about 16 inch tall.
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Here's mine fruiting and this pic is just the tip of the iceberg .
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nice pic Luc!
how do you like the taste of the rainforest plums?
also...
do I spy with my lazy eye, a grewia sp, and an Anacardium?
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I love them Adam , I think the winter harvest is better - sweeter than the rainy season one .
There is nothing we can hide from you ....yes these are the dwarf A. humile and the Grewia , they insisted being in the pic.... I couldn't refuse.
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And it looks like a pitaya growing up the wall too.
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And it looks like a pitaya growing up the wall too.
Yes , my place is a real jungle ( read mess ) everything is planted way to close to each other . But it works .
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As it should be Luc.
Oscar, I just ordered 10 seeds of the rainforest plums. How viable are the seeds usually? I’m shooting for 4 or 5 plants to try out, do you think 10 is enough? Not looking for a guarantee or anything just wondering approximately how many germinate when you plant them? Thanks.
Sven
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Keep in mine that all the seeds may not sprout at once. Don't give up on the seeds that don't germinate right away. You will have a few stragglers that will sprout later.
Ed
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I got some rainforest plum seeds from Oscar, and got about 90% germination.
They're pretty fresh, considering the fact that he's not importing them.
As it should be Luc.
Oscar, I just ordered 10 seeds of the rainforest plums. How viable are the seeds usually? I’m shooting for 4 or 5 plants to try out, do you think 10 is enough? Not looking for a guarantee or anything just wondering approximately how many germinate when you plant them? Thanks.
Sven
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As it should be Luc.
Oscar, I just ordered 10 seeds of the rainforest plums. How viable are the seeds usually? I’m shooting for 4 or 5 plants to try out, do you think 10 is enough? Not looking for a guarantee or anything just wondering approximately how many germinate when you plant them? Thanks.
Sven
These are super fresh seeds. I'm eating the fruits as i write. ;D ;D If you follow packet instructions you should get 80% or better germination. As i remember they are kinda slow to come up, so be patient.
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Also keep in mind that this is NOT surinam cherry. NOT a little bushy tree. This can get to be a very big and tall tree. So don't do like i did :'(, and give them plenty of room.
So its bigger than a 10m tall Surinam Cherry tree?
I had formed an impression that they were smaller. They seem vigorous, but branch low while very young and I assumed they would grow quite bush-like because of it?
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Also keep in mind that this is NOT surinam cherry. NOT a little bushy tree. This can get to be a very big and tall tree. So don't do like i did :'(, and give them plenty of room.
So its bigger than a 10m tall Surinam Cherry tree?
I had formed an impression that they were smaller. They seem vigorous, but branch low while very young and I assumed they would grow quite bush-like because of it?
I'm guessing you didn't see this post about size of candollean?
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1698.msg23371#msg23371 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1698.msg23371#msg23371)
And image of full grown trunk?
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/EugeniaCandolleanaLeavesAndTrunk.jpg)
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Thanks guys. That’s what I figured, I just wanted to be sure this species didn’t have a lower percentage for some reason, and I will be patient. I had a canistel that took 8 months to break the surface, so I don’t usually give up on seeds quickly. ;) Thanks again.
Sven
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As it should be Luc.
Oscar, I just ordered 10 seeds of the rainforest plums. How viable are the seeds usually? I’m shooting for 4 or 5 plants to try out, do you think 10 is enough? Not looking for a guarantee or anything just wondering approximately how many germinate when you plant them? Thanks.
Sven
These are super fresh seeds. I'm eating the fruits as i write. ;D ;D If you follow packet instructions you should get 80% or better germination. As i remember they are kinda slow to come up, so be patient.
I had 8 of 10 germinate, and can confirm that even in the late spring - summer months of SW FL they took around 3 months to pop up out of the soil.
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Thanks to everyone that posted their experience. I'm still a newbie with storing these seeds. What i've learned from you all is that they do keep fine, but not forever. ;)
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Thanks Oscar and everyone,
The seeds came yesterday and I potted them up right away. Unfortunately I made a mistake and only ordered 5 seeds so I’m going to have to place another order, might have to add some other plants on too, damn. ;)
Oscar, you recommend different day/night temps for germination. Is that important for germination or would a constant 85 degrees work fine? The reason I ask is because I have a display soda fridge that I converted into an incubator for hatching chicken eggs and I was thinking of using that for seeds and cuttings since I can control temperature and humidity. It would be a constant temperature unless I change the thermostat twice a day.
Regards,
Sven
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Thanks Oscar and everyone,
The seeds came yesterday and I potted them up right away. Unfortunately I made a mistake and only ordered 5 seeds so I’m going to have to place another order, might have to add some other plants on too, damn. ;)
Oscar, you recommend different day/night temps for germination. Is that important for germination or would a constant 85 degrees work fine? The reason I ask is because I have a display soda fridge that I converted into an incubator for hatching chicken eggs and I was thinking of using that for seeds and cuttings since I can control temperature and humidity. It would be a constant temperature unless I change the thermostat twice a day.
Regards,
Sven
Should germinate fine either way.
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This is my eugenia candolleana, that I got from David(davidgarcia889) last week. It's about 1' tall and according to him, it's a little over 1 years old. How, long till it fruits and what is wrong with the leaves(it's just a few of them)? I use city water that I supposed is very alkaline/hard, since, I don't have rain access like most of you yet. The raining season hasn't quite began for this part of Central CA yet. The soil, I supposed is acidic, so, I don't think, that would be the problem. It's a store brand of organic mix, with mostly pine barks.
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thao,
Has it seen much direct sun? I know a lot of my seedlings resent our intense summer (and fall) sun here in CA and have a tendency to burn if they aren't given some shade, at least in the heat of the afternoon.
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I'm not sure, I have to ask David, if he had it in full sun or part shade, when he had it. Well, since, I got it last week, it was in part shade. Then only this week, I moved it to full sun. The weather down here in the part of the central valley I'm at, is getting lower in temps. It's been in the mid 80s-high 80s now. Looking at it again, it does look like maybe the few leaves turing brown, is starting to get sunburned. I will move it back into part shade for a a while longer, then gradually adjust it, into full sun a bit later.
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Hey Thao,
Thats actually my bad I think. Probably should've told you that I grow all my seedlings in deep shade. Just move it out of the sun.
Also if your water is really alkaline your gonna have to feed it with mircos, you'll notice when it needs it because the leaves will start getting yellow
Otherwise it seems to have survived the journey all right?
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Thanks David, for the advice and info. It was very green, then starting the past last weekend, I notice a few leaves turning brown. It might just be sunburned, from moving it into full sun too quick. I haven't notice any of the leaves yellowing yet. I will feed it micros as soon as I can go to the store for some. It would be better to prevent, then let it happen. For now, i'll move it back into shade.
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Ya, just give it some shade. I gave it some micros the week before I sent it your way, so no rush.
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emegar,
I notice mine get brown spots that slowly form in the middle of the old leaves...is this the same symptoms you notice?
seems like most of my jaboticabas are subject to these lesions on the foliage, but it's purely cosmetic...it must be our 95F plus day time temps, accompanied by slight drought exposure...I like to stress my plants a little.
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Adam,
That's exactly what I'm talking about. In addition to the high temps and intense sun, we usually have quite low humidity to deal with here in inland CA, as well. I realized this spring that I never seem to have enough good growing locations around the yard for sensitive seedlings, so I made some basic hoop shadehouses with lengths of welded fencing, shadecloth, and cable ties. Worked like a charm!
James
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here is my little fruiter from Oscar...planted about 2yr ago! Now in a 3 gal pot.
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Looks great Adam! Mine started fruiting at about 3+ feet. But they were in the ground. I think you are right, and keeping them in pots forces them to fruit earlier due to root constriction.
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Oscar,
my largest fruiting candolleana tree makes fruits that have very small seeds...about the size of a guava seed...and some of the fruits are seedless.
I was hoping for larger seeds!! I remember the seeds you sent me were much larger.
maybe it's because my tree is isolated, and doesn't get cross pollinated?
or maybe because it's a differen variety? (the leaves are much broader than yours)
I have an isolated seedling from you, so I'll be curious to see if it makes larger seeds!
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Oscar,
my largest fruiting candolleana tree makes fruits that have very small seeds...about the size of a guava seed...and some of the fruits are seedless.
I was hoping for larger seeds!! I remember the seeds you sent me were much larger.
maybe it's because my tree is isolated, and doesn't get cross pollinated?
or maybe because it's a differen variety? (the leaves are much broader than yours)
I have an isolated seedling from you, so I'll be curious to see if it makes larger seeds!
Hi Adam, seeds on my candolleana are about same size as surinam cherry. Try germinating some of your seeds if they don't sprout then you know they aren't pollinated and normal sized, if they sprout maybe you have something pretty good on your hands.
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ok, I finally got some decent sized seeds.
the fruits were larger too...so I'm assuming this tree might benefit from cross pollination...although it seems to set fruit with no other trees around.
the fruits are tasting better and getting bigger!
the first few crops were tasty, but now the fruits it's making are just plumb delicious. Starting to remind me of a (firm fleshed) plum and grumixama mixed.
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Have you noticed any saltiness in their taste? I'm guessing they have an unusual high amount of sodium for a fruit.
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Oscar,
I'm guessing you've eaten hundreds of fruits, whereas I've only had about 15.
I havent noticed they're salty...but I will taste them again soon to see if I do.
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A candolleana seed that i planted has germinated, the new root seems really thin though. But whatever, it's alive and that's all that matters.
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Oscar,
I'm guessing you've eaten hundreds of fruits, whereas I've only had about 15.
I havent noticed they're salty...but I will taste them again soon to see if I do.
It's kind of subtle because mostly taste buds pick up on the sweet and tart, so the taste is rather complex.
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Would you say that cambui roxo tastes better than a normal plum?
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Would you say that rain cambui roxo tastes better than a normal plum?
No. But the taste is really very different from a plum. Just use that to describe taste as closest example.
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today I tasted a fruit from the seedling that came from Oscars tree. It was seedless, so I think they must benefit from cross pollination (the tree was isolated). My other tree did this as well...and now it makes seeds, but only a few seeds are full sized...most are quite small.
I notice the fruits of Oscars type are much rounder than the seedling I got from another source, which have an egg shaped.
It's hard not to eat this fruit too early...it turns black, but it's not ready yet...it must achieve full coloration, and then stay on the tree for what seems like 3-4 days after...then and only then is the full potential of the flavor achieved as well.
I notice a subtle flavor difference between the two varieties...but nothing major.
and yes Oscar...I can see what you're saying about the slight salt flavor. I like it! Almost like a twang of salt on a sweet melon, which brings out the flavor.
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My understanding is that there is variation in fruit sizes, production, and leaf shapes. My seedlings look different from one another. I hope to select a very good one in the future!
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Hi, you should read this article:
http://come-se.blogspot.com.ar/2012/06/cereja-de-joinville-murtinha-cambui.html (http://come-se.blogspot.com.ar/2012/06/cereja-de-joinville-murtinha-cambui.html)
cheers!
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Say hello to the first E. candolleana (maybe the first in Argentina ever? dont think so: naturally it should be found at Misiones...)
50 days since Oscar introduced the seeds into a ziploc bag, here it is one of them:
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56 days:
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Nice job huertasurbanas, it looks great.
I'm still waiting for mine to pop up. I moved one into a smaller pot at about 40 days and it had about an inch long root growing.
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Sven they are slow sometimes don't give up. I had a few of my Rain Forest Plum seeds almost take 90 days to sprout!
Ed
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I wonder, who's in the running for having this plant furthest north? my seedling is about an inch tall and i'm at latitude 41 ish.
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Got these from Oscar on 22 of October. Took 3 weeks to sprout (14-11-2013). got 8 out of 10 (more coming up)
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Wow, they look great! 3 weeks is pretty fast for these seeds. What kind of medium are they planted in? Looks like sand, but i doubt they would look so healthy in just sand?
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I use normal potting soil (s) with perlite (p) (about 3s:1p). I soak my seed in Copper fungicide for 10 min then i put them in the soil.
About the sand, I use it in surface only (0.5 inch thick) and I think it helps to keep the moisture in soil and works as natural water dripper. From time to time I feed them with foliar spray (low dosage).
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Got these from Oscar on 22 of October. Took 3 weeks to sprout (14-11-2013). got 8 out of 10 (more coming up)
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Wow, those are beautiful. Oscar, the seeds I got from you this time are now spouting, so far I can see 5 out of 10 coming up. I'll keep you posted.
Joe.
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Sven they are slow sometimes don't give up. I had a few of my Rain Forest Plum seeds almost take 90 days to sprout!
Ed
Thanks Ed,
I'm not giving up, I'm happily awaiting their arrival. Actually I think the first one sprouted in the last couple days. It has a tiny shoot developing. I haven't had them on heat mats or in a greenhouse so I wasn't expecting super fast germination, especially since the weather turned cool a couple weeks after I planted them.
Sven
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There are lots of volunteer seedlings around the mother plants. Like surinam the rainforest plum fruits fall to the ground and easily germinate.
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There are lots of volunteer seedlings around the mother plants. Like surinam the rainforest plum fruits fall to the ground and easily germinate.
Some people from south Brasil says that eugenias do not produce volunteers around the mother plants, so maybe your climate is better (more humid, etc.)
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for the record, I just harvested my last plum off of the little fruiting tree from Oscar, yesterday.
This is one of the tastiest Eugenias in my opinion!
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There are lots of volunteer seedlings around the mother plants. Like surinam the rainforest plum fruits fall to the ground and easily germinate.
Some people from south Brasil says that eugenias do not produce volunteers around the mother plants, so maybe your climate is better (more humid, etc.)
At the botanical gardens in Encinitas, CA there's a lawn of seedlings under each of the surinams.
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Has the supply/demand issue worked itself out....or are they still crazy expensive?
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I'm glad to say that my little seedlings have been among the few plants so survive this winter. Now to get them to fruiting size.
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for the record, I just harvested my last plum off of the little fruiting tree from Oscar, yesterday.
This is one of the tastiest Eugenias in my opinion!
Mine also stopped fruiting, but a little earlier, maybe 2-3 weeks ago.
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There are lots of volunteer seedlings around the mother plants. Like surinam the rainforest plum fruits fall to the ground and easily germinate.
Some people from south Brasil says that eugenias do not produce volunteers around the mother plants, so maybe your climate is better (more humid, etc.)
At the botanical gardens in Encinitas, CA there's a lawn of seedlings under each of the surinams.
Surinams are famous for doing that. Almost every single fruit that drops under the tree will start a volunteer plant under the tree. The rainforest plum does the same thing here. Tons of little plants under my trees from all the fruits i missed picking.
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Sven they are slow sometimes don't give up. I had a few of my Rain Forest Plum seeds almost take 90 days to sprout!
Ed
Good to hear. I planted these with some abius and malabar chestnut a while ago...maybe like january...the others have sprouted and growing well....nothing from any of the rainforest plums
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the rainforest plum i got from Oscar is super productive...I can't believe how many fruits set...seems like over 10% of flowers set....I have a much larger tree that sets fruit on only about 2% of flowers.
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My Ameixa-da-Mata (E. Candolleana) is loaded with small fruits. The tree is fruiting for the first time, and it stands over eight (8) feet tall. The tree absolutely beautiful with a reddish trunk. I also have another tree in a pot that stands approximately four (4) feet tall. This little tree produced over thirty (30) fruits. I thought that she was going to fruit to death.
Important - a fellow fruit collector named Steve Brady found out that the seeds germinate faster if they get sun light. According to Brady, a trained botanist, the seeds have chlorofile
and light expedite germination.
Suggestion - place the seeds on top of the potting mix, and lightly cover the seeds with white sugar sand. I use pool sand. Keep the seeds nice and moist, and they will germinate assuming the seeds are fresh and viable.
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My Ameixa-da-Mata (E. Candolleana) is loaded with small fruits. The tree is fruiting for the first time, and it stands over eight (8) feet tall. The tree absolutely beautiful with a reddish trunk. I also have another tree in a pot that stands approximately four (4) feet tall. This little tree produced over thirty (30) fruits. I thought that she was going to fruit to death.
Important - a fellow fruit collector named Steve Brady found out that the seeds germinate faster if they get sun light. According to Brady, a trained botanist, the seeds have chlorofile
and light expedite germination.
Suggestion - place the seeds on top of the potting mix, and lightly cover the seeds with white sugar sand. I use pool sand. Keep the seeds nice and moist, and they will germinate assuming the seeds are fresh and viable.
Hi Berto,
How old is your Ameixa-da-Mata when it start to fruiting?
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Three years from seeds (Thanks Oscar!), my ONLY survival tree is starting to flower.
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congrats Thera
that is a pretty tree!
u r lucky u got one from Oscar!
his seem to be superior to the ones i was already growing.
the fruits on his are larger, rounder, and the leaves are more slender than first variety i planted...
but best of all, the ones from Oscar are extremely productive setting lots of fruits, even as an isolated plant (be sure to keep them wet while they're setting fruits..if they dry out u will get fruit drop)
the first variety i planted barely sets fruit, even with cross pollination...hopefully they'll pick up the pace eventually....they're flowering now too! (but not much fruit set yet)
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congrats Thera
that is a pretty tree!
u r lucky u got one from Oscar!
his seem to be superior to the ones i was already growing.
the fruits on his are larger, rounder, and the leaves are more slender than first variety i planted...
but best of all, the ones from Oscar are extremely productive setting lots of fruits, even as an isolated plant (be sure to keep them wet while they're setting fruits..if they dry out u will get fruit drop)
the first variety i planted barely sets fruit, even with cross pollination...hopefully they'll pick up the pace eventually....they're flowering now too! (but not much fruit set yet)
Thanks for the tips, Adam. One thing I learned from this CA experience is that E. Candolleana doesn't like direct CA sun light. Afternoon sun light is fine. Now I need to keep it moist per your advice, Adam.
I'm keeping it next to the Red Jabo which is still fruiting after giving about 100 fruits for a 3 ft all potted tree.
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You know...how sure are we that what we know and have is E. candolleana rather than, say E. convexinervia (as an example)? I mean, if one looks at the dried leaf botany selections for candolleana, the leaves are quite a bit less lanceolate.
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Don't keep it flooded, just make sure to water regularly, (a shallow dish underneath is ok!)
congrats Thera
that is a pretty tree!
u r lucky u got one from Oscar!
his seem to be superior to the ones i was already growing.
the fruits on his are larger, rounder, and the leaves are more slender than first variety i planted...
but best of all, the ones from Oscar are extremely productive setting lots of fruits, even as an isolated plant (be sure to keep them wet while they're setting fruits..if they dry out u will get fruit drop)
the first variety i planted barely sets fruit, even with cross pollination...hopefully they'll pick up the pace eventually....they're flowering now too! (but not much fruit set yet)
Thanks for the tips, Adam. One thing I learned from this CA experience is that E. Candolleana doesn't like direct CA sun light. Afternoon sun light is fine. Now I need to keep it moist per your advice, Adam.
I'm keeping it next to the Red Jabo which is still fruiting after giving about 100 fruits for a 3 ft all potted tree.
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The one i got from you adam last year just put out its first flowers, id say its around 3 years.
I have 20 of oscars about a year old so i'll have a mini grove soon 8)
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You know...how sure are we that what we know and have is E. candolleana rather than, say E. convexinervia (as an example)? I mean, if one looks at the dried leaf botany selections for candolleana, the leaves are quite a bit less lanceolate.
I know for sure that MikeT has some reservation about the name Candolleana. :)
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One thing I learned from this CA experience is that E. candolleana doesn't like direct CA sun light. Afternoon sun light is fine.
I'm glad to have this confirmed. I had the same experience and killed a few by having them in full (dry) California sun. The ones in shade are happy. But I'm guessing I'll need to find brighter shade to eventually get them to fruit.
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my oldest, least productive trees...finally starting to set lots of fruits!
one reason I love the rainforest plum...it makes several nice crops in a year.
it's also extremely tolerant of heat.
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Nicee 8) how old is the tree
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Nicee 8) how old is the tree
Thanks!
I think it's around 6 yr old...maybe 7
It would be nice if I got enough production to ship a little fruit next year
I have 4 fruting trees planted out
If the frost stays away until Xmas, I could get another nice crop...but cooler, drier weather means smaller fruit!
The fruits are somewhat small this crop becasue I haven't been watering enough.
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is that one of the trees that you had at greens nursery that was flowering 2 years ago, you said they wouldn't set much fruit but flowered a lot, was it the age or pollination that contributed to it setting more fruit?
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is that one of the trees that you had at greens nursery that was flowering 2 years ago, you said they wouldn't set much fruit but flowered a lot, was it the age or pollination that contributed to it setting more fruit?
Yes that is the tree...
It must have been age, because it was cross pollinated before
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The one i got from you is about 3 or 4 years old and is flowering but not producing, no cross pollination yet but i have 10 from a few different sources so i guess a few more years to go, can't wait ;D
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The one i got from you is about 3 or 4 years old and is flowering but not producing, no cross pollination yet but i have 10 from a few different sources so i guess a few more years to go, can't wait ;D
don't worry that is normal....seems like many of the Eugenias behave this way when they are young.
it should start to set fruits soon!
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Nicee 8) how old is the tree
Thanks!
I think it's around 6 yr old...maybe 7
It would be nice if I got enough production to ship a little fruit next year
I have 4 fruting trees planted out
If the frost stays away until Xmas, I could get another nice crop...but cooler, drier weather means smaller fruit!
The fruits are somewhat small this crop becasue I haven't been watering enough.
Will be challenging to ship rainforest plums as they don't keep well without any refrigeration.
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after eating more and more of these, I'd say the flavor reminds me of syzygium cumini, but the texture is not gelatinous, and the fruit is nowhere near as astringent.
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Hey Adam (and everyone) - is there a link with detailed info about the care and feeding of the various Eugenias? I have a few species and I'd love to know which need more or less water, sun/shade preferences, eventual size, how long they take to fruit from seed, all that good stuff. It's pretty hard to find that kind of information for any of them beyond uniflora. I can piece together some of it by spending hours using the search function here, but is there anything more comprehensive/convenient that anyone knows of? (also red jabo, though that's off topic for this thread) - Thanks!
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My plant turned out definitely to be candolleana, and I picked the fruit earlier today--should have let it go for another few days.
I don't think it's much like a plum. It's sweet tart, with a definite sweetness, but the taste is thin and there is a sort of light floral bitterness. The overall character, if not the flavor, is roughly of alpine strawberries. I definitely could eat a lot of these, but I'd rather have an actual cambuca that this was supposed to be. I also came away with more respect for a suriname cherry. Those guys do have a very solid flavor.
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Looks like my rain forest plum is starting to flower.
Its in a 7 gal pot, i'll take some pictures tonight and post them tomorrow.
I plan on planting it in the end of summer, would this be recommended for Broward's calcareous soil?
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I have two maybe around 4 yr old one is up to its Seventh maybe eighth flowering, tend to lose most of the fruit that form but in summer got a small crop and they were delicious. Tasted like a reaaly good grape, damn fruitflys beat me to the rest. Def worth growing. Couldn't fault it.
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Thanks Oscar my larger 3 year old one is fruiting and the smaller is flowering.They are the best Eugenias I have tried being sweet and having plenty of flesh.They exceeded my expectations unlike say the pitangatubas where the fruit fell short of my expectations.
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after eating more and more of these, I'd say the flavor reminds me of syzygium cumini, but the texture is not gelatinous, and the fruit is nowhere near as astringent.
I bought one of these off you at the Manatee sale recently, Adam. Were these from Oscars seeds or? Just curious...!
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Finally posting the pic
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I have a rainforest plum that is two years old and starting to flower, it's about 5' tall. There is a lot of talk about cross pollination, how critical is that? I only have the one tree.
Peter
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I have a rainforest plum that is two years old and starting to flower, it's about 5' tall. There is a lot of talk about cross pollination, how critical is that? I only have the one tree.
Peter
I don't think there is any eugenia that needs cross pollination to fruit? Maybe there are some that have increased fruit set due to some self sterility?
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Yeah mine fruited by self pollination but only couple of fruit.
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OK, that's encouraging. I tell people that e. Uniflora could need a companion tree but I think that everything else, I have, is self fertile in eugenias. Hopefully my climate will favor early production of candolleana. Thanks,
Peter
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OK, that's encouraging. I tell people that e. Uniflora could need a companion tree but I think that everything else, I have, is self fertile in eugenias. Hopefully my climate will favor early production of candolleana. Thanks,
Peter
Rainforest plum takes a while to start fruiting, but oh boy do they ever make up for it once they are fruiting! They crank out fruit like no other eugenia i have seen. Incredibly productive.
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Good to hear, Oscar, I haven't tried the fruit yet, looking forward to it, hope it will set fruits soon.
I got the material from a neighbor collector who, I believe, got it from fruitlovers.
Peter
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after eating more and more of these, I'd say the flavor reminds me of syzygium cumini, but the texture is not gelatinous, and the fruit is nowhere near as astringent.
I bought one of these off you at the Manatee sale recently, Adam. Were these from Oscars seeds or? Just curious...!
yes! from Oscar...and his seem to be superior to the type I had before, with a much broader leaf.
i still have some seedlings for sale, one gal about 12-15 inch tall, $30 ea!
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Good to hear, Oscar, I haven't tried the fruit yet, looking forward to it, hope it will set fruits soon.
I got the material from a neighbor collector who, I believe, got it from fruitlovers.
Peter
Wanted to refer you to a post i made a couple years back talking about bumper crop of rarinforest plum, but can't find it with search feature. I posted lots of photos. Anyhow i remember i picked 16 pounds of fruit in just one day. That was off of 3-4 bushes that were fruiting at the time.
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Looked at my Rainforest plums today and noticed some fruit that set on the one a got from FlyingFoxFruits a few years ago, Its about 4 or 5 years old and has been flowering the last 2 years. I just fertilized them a few weeks ago when they started flowering with some Happy Frog all purpose 5-5-5 so maybe that helped set fruit, Im going to give this one some extra High phosphorus Jamaican bat guano 0-10-0 and some molasses to really give it a boost.
This will be my first time trying this fruit so im stoked ;D
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Still have 8 trees from Fruitlovers flowering almost 3 years old but im not holding my breath. Flowers still look cool 8)
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Hello guys!!
Have you got any Eugenia candolleana seeds for sale?
Thanks!!
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I think raul and luc have them when in season.
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Thanks!!
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Hello guys!!
Have you got any Eugenia candolleana seeds for sale?
Thanks!!
Here in Mexico they fruit in September Lory .
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Thanks everybody I'll be patiently waiting for the right time :-)
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Finally getting a few fruits from my tree.
The fully colored one i had yesterday tasted great.
I lost the first one to a bird peck, but i did take a nibble of non-pecked part.
My tree's fruits are a bit smaller then a green grape however they have tiny soft seeds some of which I just eat.
Maybe this will change as it get older.
The tree is in a 15 gallon pot.
Anyone have experience with this in the ground in South Florida?
It looks really ornamental so I'd like to plant it out.
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I have a bush still in a 7 gallon that is 3-4 years old. I got it when it was a seedling. It flowered
the past 2 years and is holding about 10 fruit now. I can't wait to try the fruit. About a year after I
got the seedling I bought 2 more 2' yearling trees and put them in the ground. They didn't thrive is
an understatement, They turned yellow and never did much. The first winter the trees shed their leaves
and one never came out of dormancy. The other tree I dug up last week. 3 years the tree was the same size.
It shed all its leaves and looks terrible now. I have seen pictures of beautiful 10 foot trees in peoples yards
and I really would like a couple in my yard. I had basically the same thing happen to a red jabo I put in
my yard. Meanwhile I have 3 red jabos in 15 gallon pots that have been producing nonstop since last summer.
For me I am going to bump up my candolleana in a 15 pot and wait, Hopefully I will have a few seeds to plant this fall
and I may try to put seedlings in the ground later. Does anyone have a large candoleanna in the ground in Florida?
If skhsn puts your tree in the ground please keep me posted. I personally wouldn't risk it. A 4-5 year old tree finally
producing, no way! I am still trying to figure out if it is the high ph or bright sun or both that is effecting Eugenia?
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I have a bush still in a 7 gallon that is 3-4 years old. I got it when it was a seedling. It flowered
the past 2 years and is holding about 10 fruit now. I can't wait to try the fruit. About a year after I
got the seedling I bought 2 more 2' yearling trees and put them in the ground. They didn't thrive is
an understatement, They turned yellow and never did much. The first winter the trees shed their leaves
and one never came out of dormancy. The other tree I dug up last week. 3 years the tree was the same size.
It shed all its leaves and looks terrible now. I have seen pictures of beautiful 10 foot trees in peoples yards
and I really would like a couple in my yard. I had basically the same thing happen to a red jabo I put in
my yard. Meanwhile I have 3 red jabos in 15 gallon pots that have been producing nonstop since last summer.
For me I am going to bump up my candolleana in a 15 pot and wait, Hopefully I will have a few seeds to plant this fall
and I may try to put seedlings in the ground later. Does anyone have a large candoleanna in the ground in Florida?
If skhsn puts your tree in the ground please keep me posted. I personally wouldn't risk it. A 4-5 year old tree finally
producing, no way! I am still trying to figure out if it is the high ph or bright sun or both that is effecting Eugenia?
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I guess I won't risk my fruiting 15 gallon candolleana.
I'll experiment with seeds like your doing.
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I have a bush still in a 7 gallon that is 3-4 years old. I got it when it was a seedling. It flowered
the past 2 years and is holding about 10 fruit now. I can't wait to try the fruit. About a year after I
got the seedling I bought 2 more 2' yearling trees and put them in the ground. They didn't thrive is
an understatement, They turned yellow and never did much. The first winter the trees shed their leaves
and one never came out of dormancy. The other tree I dug up last week. 3 years the tree was the same size.
It shed all its leaves and looks terrible now. I have seen pictures of beautiful 10 foot trees in peoples yards
and I really would like a couple in my yard. I had basically the same thing happen to a red jabo I put in
my yard. Meanwhile I have 3 red jabos in 15 gallon pots that have been producing nonstop since last summer.
For me I am going to bump up my candolleana in a 15 pot and wait, Hopefully I will have a few seeds to plant this fall
and I may try to put seedlings in the ground later. Does anyone have a large candoleanna in the ground in Florida?
If skhsn puts your tree in the ground please keep me posted. I personally wouldn't risk it. A 4-5 year old tree finally
producing, no way! I am still trying to figure out if it is the high ph or bright sun or both that is effecting Eugenia?
IMO ECondolleana does well in SFLa. Should grow fast (1-2ft/yr), and fruit 2-3 y/old. I have several on the ground 3-4 year-old.
In my experience 2 things may affect mostly some myrtaceae/eguenia/plinia in SFl: A. some type of fungus that starts killing new grown/leaves and ends up sometimes killing the plant: I have used systemic fungicides before fruiting (1. Aliette Bayer is the only real systemic fungicide. 2. Salt of Potassium Phosphate (Agrisel BioPhos Pro, Agri-fos ), 3.Chlorothalonil (Daconil Docket WS Fungicide - Generic Daconil Weather Stik) and B. High PH Soil: use chelated iron 3-4X/year.
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I have a bush still in a 7 gallon that is 3-4 years old. I got it when it was a seedling. It flowered
the past 2 years and is holding about 10 fruit now. I can't wait to try the fruit. About a year after I
got the seedling I bought 2 more 2' yearling trees and put them in the ground. They didn't thrive is
an understatement, They turned yellow and never did much. The first winter the trees shed their leaves
and one never came out of dormancy. The other tree I dug up last week. 3 years the tree was the same size.
It shed all its leaves and looks terrible now. I have seen pictures of beautiful 10 foot trees in peoples yards
and I really would like a couple in my yard. I had basically the same thing happen to a red jabo I put in
my yard. Meanwhile I have 3 red jabos in 15 gallon pots that have been producing nonstop since last summer.
For me I am going to bump up my candolleana in a 15 pot and wait, Hopefully I will have a few seeds to plant this fall
and I may try to put seedlings in the ground later. Does anyone have a large candoleanna in the ground in Florida?
If skhsn puts your tree in the ground please keep me posted. I personally wouldn't risk it. A 4-5 year old tree finally
producing, no way! I am still trying to figure out if it is the high ph or bright sun or both that is effecting Eugenia?
IMO ECondolleana does well in SFLa. Should grow fast (1-2ft/yr), and fruit 2-3 y/old. I have several on the ground 3-4 year-old.
In my experience 2 things may affect mostly some myrtaceae/eguenia/plinia in SFl: A. some type of fungus that starts killing new grown/leaves and ends up sometimes killing the plant: I have used systemic fungicides before fruiting (1. Aliette Bayer is the only real systemic fungicide. 2. Salt of Potassium Phosphate (Agrisel BioPhos Pro, Agri-fos ), 3.Chlorothalonil (Daconil Docket WS Fungicide - Generic Daconil Weather Stik) and B. High PH Soil: use chelated iron 3-4X/year.
If it can work in your area I probably can work here too.
I might amend the area will sulfur and/or a whole lot of peat.
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Thanks fsanchez2000 for the good info. Is your soil high ph and you use Chelated iron?
I was using the wrong iron and thanks to the forum I should have the right iron now. I put some
on 2 weeks ago, so I should see the results soon.
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For anyone growing this tree (Oscar). How big does th tree get? Or is more like a big bush? Does the tree need constant water like on a drip line or can it be okay with regular rainfall and seasonal dry periods?
Oscar how big/tall are your trees?
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For anyone growing this tree (Oscar). How big does th tree get? Or is more like a big bush? Does the tree need constant water like on a drip line or can it be okay with regular rainfall and seasonal dry periods?
Oscar how big/tall are your trees?
I planted mine very close together, like a hedge. That was before i traveled to Brazil and saw how large they can get! There at Rio de Janeiro botanical garden i saw trees with trunks that were about a foot diameter across, and height over 30 feet. But these were really old trees i guess. My trees are about 10 feet tall. They seem to be fine as a hedge as long as you prune them regularly. They seem to like a lot of water. Don't know how drought tolerant they are.
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Mine have survived but not thrived on a conservative water schedule. They've become understory in a hedge that's dominated by rose apple, allspice and sweet Java plum.
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For anyone growing this tree (Oscar). How big does th tree get? Or is more like a big bush? Does the tree need constant water like on a drip line or can it be okay with regular rainfall and seasonal dry periods?
Oscar how big/tall are your trees?
Last year I had it in a 25g pot of straight peat moss with daily watering and I got a decent amount of fruits.
I planted it in the ground in January with only rain to water it, flowered plenty but no fruits. Also has fewer leaves.
Maybe is throwing out more roots, I'll run a drip line to it next chance i get.
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Thanks for all the replies!
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Put on a beautiful bloom the other day.
Its been nearly 2 years in the ground from a fruiting 15g.
I have it on daily watering.
Planted it with a 3 cu ft pack of peat moss and had 1 foot of much (now decomposed) around it.
Results:
No fruit
Flowers once or twice a year
Super slow growth.
This is looking like a fruit that is better to grow in pots down in South Florida
I might just dig mine up and put it in a pot next year.
Fruit from this particular tree are delicious, favorite Eugenia i've had so far
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My lone tree flowers heavy and sets fruit sparingly. I am convinced
I need another tree? The tree had 500 flowers and I got less then 50 fruit.
I also really enjoy the fruit I do get.
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Can Eugenia candolleana be grafted on Eugenia uniflora?
Can any other Eugenia be grafted on surinam cherry?
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Put on a beautiful bloom the other day.
Its been nearly 2 years in the ground from a fruiting 15g.
I have it on daily watering.
Planted it with a 3 cu ft pack of peat moss and had 1 foot of much (now decomposed) around it.
Results:
No fruit
Flowers once or twice a year
Super slow growth.
This is looking like a fruit that is better to grow in pots down in South Florida
I might just dig mine up and put it in a pot next year.
Fruit from this particular tree are delicious, favorite Eugenia i've had so far
Im not the only one with the same problem, my tree flowers profusely for the past 2 years & no fruit. Im from socal zone 9b.
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Can Eugenia candolleana be grafted on Eugenia uniflora?
Can any other Eugenia be grafted on surinam cherry?
Because Surinam Cherry is the only Eugenia I know that can grow in 8+ pH soil.
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Can Eugenia candolleana be grafted on Eugenia uniflora?
Can any other Eugenia be grafted on surinam cherry?
Because Surinam Cherry is the only Eugenia I know that can grow in 8+ pH soil.
Just acidify your soil with sulphur and organic matter?
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Can Eugenia candolleana be grafted on Eugenia uniflora?
Can any other Eugenia be grafted on surinam cherry?
Because Surinam Cherry is the only Eugenia I know that can grow in 8+ pH soil.
Just acidify your soil with sulphur and organic matter?
I do that already, but it only helps somewhat. Using the right rootstock is always better.
They are using the Eugenia genus too broadly for all kinds of graft incompatible species.
Other fruit trees are graft compatible even when they are in different genuses/genera, but in the same family.
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Being that pitanga is somewhat hard to graft to itself, I cannot see it taking kindly to other species. It is worth a shot, but it sounds kind of unlikely to work. One thing is for sure, I think you must at least match the type of wood - for example, CORG and calycina are both peeling green trunk, and anything of that nature should be compatible.
Pitanga and candolleana are somewhat similar in wood type, so you're getting warmer, I just don't know how successful you'll be - but like I say, give it a shot and let us know how your experiments go.
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Grafting pitanga is much easier in the spring flush just like guava. I don't even have a candolleana to get scions from.
Has anyone tried grafting candolleana on Surinam cherry? FlyingFoxFruit Adam?
I thought about grafting pitangatuba on pitanga, but read here that Adam's tries failed.
I ended up putting my pitangatuba in my 8.2pH soil with compost and sulfur(twice a year) and it grows 2 or 3 inches a year instead of it dying without the sulfur.
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I think you can learn from the failures of others in that it's quite hard, if not impossible, to mix broadly different species like you are suggesting. You would see these types of eugenia cocktails by now, if this were possible imo.
At my house, my well water is 8.4 and rapidly turns even peat moss to the same ph. You can address this by fertigating and addressing the ph with phosphoric acid, or similar. Sulphur is kind of the lazy way, but it also works, just not as precisely. My soil is quite similar to yours, it sounds like, 8.0 any ways, and I'm able to address it with adding tons of chicken manure, sulphur, and so on. Things grow well in it now, 2 years later.
Candolleana does pretty good in pot culture too, you could consider doing it that way?
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I loved the taste. My favorite Eugenia. I should have kept some of them, sold them all. I'll be ordering more seeds!
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I loved the taste. My favorite Eugenia. I should have kept some of them, sold them all. I'll be ordering more seeds!
I agree on taste.
I'll be digging up my tree over summer and keeping in a 25gal pot if there are no takers
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I think you can learn from the failures of others in that it's quite hard, if not impossible, to mix broadly different species like you are suggesting. You would see these types of eugenia cocktails by now, if this were possible imo.
At my house, my well water is 8.4 and rapidly turns even peat moss to the same ph. You can address this by fertigating and addressing the ph with phosphoric acid, or similar. Sulphur is kind of the lazy way, but it also works, just not as precisely. My soil is quite similar to yours, it sounds like, 8.0 any ways, and I'm able to address it with adding tons of chicken manure, sulphur, and so on. Things grow well in it now, 2 years later.
Candolleana does pretty good in pot culture too, you could consider doing it that way?
Lol sulfur is the lazy way. I like low maintenance due to other responsibilities. Yes most eugenias do well in pots for me.