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Duncan and rosigold are a bit variable in terms of flavor.

When I had a rosigold tree, the early (march - april) crop was outstanding but the summer crop was not so good.

Early duncan fruit tend to be bland (lacking brix). Later season duncan are very, very good and much sweeter. And the tree is highly disease resistant and very productive.

Edward is pretty much always excellent. I adore that mango.

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Some of the indo-chinese mangoes will have early fruits that have a washed out flavor (duncan for example). Later in the season, the flavor should intensify.

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Grafting high can also be good for dwarf mango trees, eg, Julie.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Feeding: Spraying vs Fogging
« on: April 21, 2020, 10:26:43 AM »
Yep, that's the major drawback. Very hard to put it on and tiring to use. But, then again, it's not that much harder than a conventional / manual backpack sprayer.

Getting me a stihl 450 duster / mistblower for the inaccessible spots.What do you think?mist blowers are very efficient!
I have an older mistblower the weight of that tank especially up high is a real backbreaker. I have to ease into mine by backing into it while it is on a table. They do lift leaves up well into a large tree. I see the stihl 450 is 28 pounds without 14 liter tank and water weighs 2 pounds/liter, woops 28+28= 56 pounds! Pretty much the same as my Solo 423 better eat planty of oatmeal for breakfast, it will eat your lunch for you.

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Agree. However, they tend to be very finicky, and flavor can be all over the map.

A properly ripened Mallika is very similar in flavor to Lemon Zest.
Agreed, although I find it even more comparable to Orange Sherbet, in fact almost identical

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I have a theory as to why those bloomed. We had pretty severe drought conditions in March and early April. Then during the first few days of April, the temps dropped a good 15 degrees. I think the drought set some of the trees up to be a bit more sensitive to the temp drop, so when it happened, they pushed blooms.

Still pretty amazing nonetheless.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Weevil Problem
« on: April 20, 2020, 09:20:49 PM »
There is a bayer product that kills grubs, which should be effective on the may beetle (when in the grub stage).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Feeding: Spraying vs Fogging
« on: April 20, 2020, 03:05:35 PM »
hmm that ryobi looks kina cool. Only issue may be getting to the tops of trees when they get bigger.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Weevil Problem
« on: April 20, 2020, 03:02:56 PM »
Yep, Same. The worst of the worst for weevils is the cuban may beetle, which will completely and totally defoliate an entire tree multiple times in a year. I lost a pantin mamey to them when they defoliated once, then a month later defoliated the new growth. Best technique to get rid of the cuban may beetle has been removing food sources (eg, weeds / grass) from grubs. However, anything planted within 20 - 30 feet of the property line is fair game, 'cause my neighbors all have grass.

They are a problem for younger lychee trees as the leaf munching sets the trees growth back. One it gets older it's not that big of a deal.
For lychee and longan I'd soil drench it just so it can grow without problems for the first 2-3 years after that I'd stop.

This is from my personal experience

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Regarding the linked article: KNO3 is not an effective flowering stimulant in Florida. It only works at certain latitudes. Paclobutrazol has been effective here, but it was shown to have some really nasty long lasting issues (eg, planting  a mango tree in a location where a tree was previously treated with paclobutrazol will stunt the new tree as well).

From https://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/HITAHR_04-06-93_54-60.pdf

"Trees growing the area of Vera Cruz begin to respond later in the year but lose the ability to altogether in areas north of 23 latitude. I have been told that even concentrations sufficiently high to cause substantial leaf burn (10 percent more) are apparently not effective. Trees in both Sinaloa (25 latitude, dry climate) Homestead, Florida (25 latitude, dry climate) do not respond."

And from https://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/HITAHR_04-06-93_61-66.pdf

"Recent studies in Florida suggest that low temperature is the environmental factor with the greatest influence on flower induction (Nunez-Elisa and Davenport 1992). It was concluded that water stress was not responsible for flower induction, but could enhance the response to cool temperatures. Similar conclusions have also been obtained by workers in Australia (Whiley 1992). "

Soil and foliar chemicals in gaseous and liquid form, even smoke can also induce and control bloom, perhaps certain varieties more than others. Age of stem and leaf plays a part. Google mango bloom stimulus initiation and you can see research around the world on this.
Like:
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1677-04202007000400007

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Yah, oddly the keitt 20 feet away from the infected keitt never had a problem with MBBS. The infected keitt, after having near total crop loss for several years, has been relatively disease free for the past 2 crops. I think my spray regimen is working.


Maha Chanok , Mallika, Edgar, Sunrise, Orange Essence..

Interesting, I've noted in the past that certain trees seem resistant for some but not for others, and this is more evidence to that end.

https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/product-page/mallika
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Mallika is highly prone to bacterial black spot and lost most of the fruit to it

Alex has also stated that Maha has similar issues in his grove.

Also CM has noted that some Keitt trees are sensitive to MBBS while others seem less affected.

Seems like there's a factor involved that needs further investigation.

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Edgar has been highly MBBS susceptible for me.


Maha Chanok , Mallika, Edgar, Sunrise, Orange Essence..

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2020 lychee crop good or not?
« on: April 16, 2020, 09:27:23 PM »
Yikes. I was told that fruit drop was due to lack of water. Apparently, they need boatloads of water during that period.

I'm in a similar situation though: 1 lychee on a 13 year old mauritius and maybe a dozen or so on a 10 year old sweetheart... :-(

12 of my 18 trees flowered heavily but I will be lucky to get 3 - 4 pounds of fruit in total. Some set well but the panicles thinned down after the fruit were a little bigger than pea sized. The trees are on irrigation so I do not think it was a watering issue. If I had planted 18 mango trees instead, I would probably harvest 500 - 1000 pounds of mangos.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Feeding: Spraying vs Fogging
« on: April 16, 2020, 08:05:58 PM »
:D Pump is boss

SR430 I will definitely check it out.
I see the pump also provides agitation! stihl has act together
Thanks for info

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Feeding: Spraying vs Fogging
« on: April 16, 2020, 03:58:44 PM »
Check out the new SR430. It doesn't have dusting capabilities (I've never needed it), but it comes with a built-in pump, which is very useful for spraying taller trees.

Getting me a stihl 450 duster / mistblower for the inaccessible spots.What do you think?mist blowers are very efficient!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Feeding: Spraying vs Fogging
« on: April 16, 2020, 01:48:51 PM »
I use the same rate in my fogger as is recommended for sprayers. Main difference is that the fogger can be an order of magnitude more efficient in terms of total amount of liquid needed. So rather than losing a large percent of liquid to run off, there is basically zero waste. Switched from sprayer to fogger several years ago (based on a recommendation of a hawaiian here on the forum), and never looked back :-).

Is there a different concentration requirement for a fogger vs a standard sprayer?
I assume not because the amount that stays on the leaf should be the same.
Does anyone have experience with this?

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Donate them. Or practice your grafting skills.

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Congrats. Yours are rounder than mine. Seed to flesh looks potentially better too.

I picked my first fruit today. I picked it early trying to get it before it was fully ripe and very sweet but I was too early. It was sour with some sweetness. It was the smallest of 11 fruit on my trees. I got the seeds in 2013 and planted the tree in full sun in 2015. The trees are around 6 feet tall and 5 feet wide. The spot my fruiting trees are planted is very windy and not favorable for garcinias. I have bigger trees in pots and planted in more protected areas from the same batch of seeds but those have not flowered yet.



The fruit I picked today along side one of the bigger fruits on the tree.


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My tree used to be like that. New class of anthracnose has been causing issues though.

MY VOTE IS FOR CARRIE.
I live in south Miami and my Carrie probably has the cleanest leaves and nicest growth habit of my collection of 15 mango trees.
The worst issue with Carrie is that they are TOUGH to pick. If you lave them on tree till they look ripe they will be mushy or fall to the ground. Also this is probably a mango for mango lovers. Your friends who aren't mango fiends would rather have a Glenn or a VP which you eat with your eyes.

   

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Interesting. Both of mine (grafted to a old glenn) grow with incredible vigor. I remember Walter's tree being huge as well. Wonder if there is some rootstock influence there.

y? Because the branches have more of a tendency to droop when they get long?

I wonder what the main differences are between LZ and Orange Sherbet.  I remember Har tasting it and liking it last summer.

On their best days , LZ is sweeter. But I like orange sherbet as a tree much better.

Orange Sherbet trees tend to be more compact and less vigorous than LZ in my experience, produce more consistently and the fruit is much more resistant to MBBS.

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y? Because the branches have more of a tendency to droop when they get long?

I wonder what the main differences are between LZ and Orange Sherbet.  I remember Har tasting it and liking it last summer.

On their best days , LZ is sweeter. But I like orange sherbet as a tree much better.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba Flowering But Not Fruiting
« on: April 11, 2020, 09:45:50 AM »
Nuts. Someone else from socal was posting about this issue a couple of weeks ago. Wonder if you guys are lacking a pollinator or a micronutrient.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: CITRUS DISEASE HELP!
« on: April 10, 2020, 07:05:52 PM »
Did someone perhaps prune it very heavily, allowing the sun to burn the newly exposed bark below? That looks like sunburn injury.

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:D It's all about eating it at just the right time. The carrie can either be smooth and ultra delicious or the taste and texture of vomit, depending on cultural conditions and stage of ripeness. There's not much of an in between.

Fruit Punch (YESSS - Har is the man!)

Lemon Zest (YESSS - Har is the man!)

M-4 (YESSS - Har is the man!)

Orange Essence (YESSS - Har is the man!)

Carrie (You are dead to me.)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lemon Zest confirmation or otherwise
« on: April 10, 2020, 07:00:29 PM »
looks zesty to me. If the sap has citrus smell, then I think you have a very high probability of having a clone.

If you're interested in speeding up fruiting, graft it to a very vigorous branch of an established / mature tree. Chop back a biggish limb that gets full sun and graft to one of the shoots.

I got an orange sherbet seedling (well technically 2 of them) to fruit in under 3 years using this technique.

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