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Hello bovine421,


Brassinolide enhances cold stress tolerance of fruit by regulating plasma membrane proteins and lipids with 10 μM brassinolide (BL) showed a higher tolerance to cold temperature of 5 °C.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00726-012-1327-6


These hormones control the division, elongation and differentiation of various cell types throughout the entire plant life cycle.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10725-020-00647-8

Further reading:
https://bp.ueb.cas.cz/pdfs/bpl/2018/04/01.pdf

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Have you read Richard Campbell's list?
Where is that found?

Richard Campbell is the world's top authority on Mango.

No, I haven't read Dr. Campbell's list. Can you give us a link or post the list in this Forum?

I used to read his preferred varieties under his "Curators Choice" back in the days when he used to work for Fairchild Tropical Garden. I was not a fan of many cultivars he venerated and published in Fairchild's website for several years. I also understand that he had limitations finding exceptional varieties from all over the world while working in Fairchild. He and Gary both tried  to collect bud wood from SE Asia few times and obtained few good ones. But few SE Asian varieties grew well in Florida and SoCal as good as they taste in their native condition. Most of them failed to exert their own great flavor though.


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I completely, understand your position on CL and always honor personal appreciation of taste and flavor and the uniqueness of ones palate and taste bud in these plethora of mango cultivars.
By the way, do you have a top 10 list? If so, can you post?

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No problem John. Amrapalli is early-late variety not like Neelam, which at times a October mango. Definitely, it would be a big plus if we could have dragged that to that time frame.
Sweet Tart is the top-tier, very complex, all around mango with exceptional flavor compared to a native Alphonso found in Maharashtra, India. On the contrary, Ceci Love doesn't have that depth of a flavor profile.

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Gotta add Ceci Love to that list.

Guava is one of my favorite Indian mangoes in the US.

Ceci Love is a great mango but not something outstanding. Does any mango connoisseur think it has a place in top 10 list at this point?

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I tried both ST Mauii and Alampur Baneshan. To me, AB is a top-tier mango.

But it was placed on the Honorable Mention list and not Top 10 list???


ST Mauii is a very good cultivar. I did neither put this variety in top 10 where there're so many top-tier contenders nor  under "honorable mention" because of the fact that I don't want to make the list longer.

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In your opinion what are the best Indian varieties that grow well in FL and that approach the greatness you would find in India?  Top 2 or 3.
No comment, MANGOSCOPE?

Hello John,
I'm sorry that I wasn't on forum's discussion last couple of days. I almost grow 19-20 Indian cultivars over last few years. Lot of them are coming out below average in context to their Indian counterpart. But few are doing ok though like Amrapalli, Chaunsa, Kesar etc.

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Why ALAMPUR BANESHAN (I think it is Iman Pasand) not make the list?
I would add ST Maui to the list. Well balance of sweet/tart and perfume in taste.

I tried both ST Mauii and Alampur Baneshan. To me, AB is a top-tier mango.

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There is no Alampur Baneshan tree in United states, so far I know. I had tried that in Delhi mango festival. What an amazing variety. The ones known as Alampur Baneshan in US, actually, it is an Imam Pasand!

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TOP 10 FAVORITE MANGO CULTIVARS WITHIN USA AND AROUND THE WORLD:


Lot of us love to consider location, precocity, disease resistance, season, growth and bearing habit in a mango tree. We ought to respect that. But my inventory is based on the flavor profile only.

The list is so profuse, it is hard to grasp each profile in the neuron adequately, unless you test tasting lot of the cultivars every year. Even under an honorable mention, there're so many exceptional mango varieties, anyone can dream of.
I tried my best to get off "Zill's breeding project" to choose varieties for my list but I couldn't find many to beat these supreme heterogeneity of mangoes created by Gary Zill.

Hats off to both Zill brothers who carried the benefaction from their father and wooed his legacy toward  unprecedented contribution to develop so many new varieties. This family owns the fame to propagate the most top-tier mangoes around the nation as it reflects in my list as follows.


MY TOP 10 MANGOES NATIVE TO SOUTHERN PART OF CONTINENTAL USA IN ALPHABETICAL ORDERS:
================================================================

CREME-BRULEE
JAKARTA
M4
ORANGE ESSENCE
ORANGE SHORBET
PEACH COBBLER
PINA COLADA
SUPER ALPHONSO
SUGARLOAF
SWEET TART


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HONORABLE MENTION:
===============

BEVERLY
BUTTERCREAM
COTTON CANDY
COCONUT CREAM
FRUIT COCKTAIL
GISELLE
KAREN MICHELLE
LEMON ZEST
PINEAPPLE PLEASURE
SUPER JULIE
VENUS
ZILL 40-26

It seems like that the Zill's "breeding project" sweeps the local series of mango contest.
 
Luckily, I had the privilege to travel around the world leading mango producing countries. I tried so many of them over the years and I came across the following  supremely delectable mangoes worth mentioning.   


MY TOP 10 MANGOES NATIVE TO INDIAN SUBCONTINENT AND NEIGHBOURING COUNTRIES IN ALPHABETICAL ORDERS:
===========================================================================

ALPHONSO
AMRAPALLI
BANGANAPALLI
CAC
CHAUNSA
DASHERI/DUSSEHRI
HIMSAGAR
LANGRA
MULGOBA
SINDHRI

===============
HONORABLE MENTION:
===============

ALAMPUR BANESHAN
ANWAR RATOL
CARABAO(couple of strains are the best)
FAZLI
GOURMATI
ICE CREAM
KESAR
MALDA
MANKURAD
TONG DAM
SAROLI



NOTE: List may vary depending on the new cultivars come forth every year. Let us know what are your most favorite local and international mangoes in their native condition!

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Yummy. It is best option to consume this exotic fruit. This is a practice people adopted for hundred of years in Indian subcontinent. They also use red chili powder instead of green chilies and cilantro in the mix.

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I couln't agree more....What the man....

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How tall is your tree and what is the trunk girth now at the base in that 7 gal container & how long you've transplanted to that 7 gal? Don't you think it is little overpriced?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Burmese Grapes
« on: October 26, 2021, 10:31:59 AM »
Thanks much for your kind reply. If I don't get a grafted one, I'll definitely contact you.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lara Farms opened a webpage
« on: October 21, 2021, 01:07:28 PM »
Hey Julian,
I've been to your farm few times buying plants and talked to you and your Dad. Keep up the good works you've been doing for so many years. You guys are both truly awesome.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Your favorite South Florida Nursery
« on: October 07, 2021, 12:05:38 PM »

Hello sKhan,
I've been buying from ZHPP nursery over last 15 years or so. The prerequisite for buying would be the "License" probably, not the number of trees, I believe. I didn't meet that quota in any of those years I've been doing business with them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Your favorite South Florida Nursery
« on: October 06, 2021, 05:24:21 PM »
If you need to collect exceptional mango cultivars, try to check out Tropical Acres Farms in WPB and if you want to go for a bulk order within your budget, you've to step in at ZHPP nursery in Lake Worth. At Zills, you need a nursery license to make a purchase where lot of nurseries obtain their plants from around the nation. 

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MANGO
LYCHEE
SUGAR APPLE
CHERRY
JACKFRUIT

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No problem Jakefruit. You're welcome.
If you use solely Pine bark, the ph of which is slightly acidic for mangoes around 4.0 -5.0. And of course, lot of fruit trees love that like Lychees. So, you may consider increasing the ph a bit around 6.0-6.5. By adding lime,  probably, it will solve the ph issue though...

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Thanks Har. The centers of the spots are all definitely sunken, the edge/rim around the sunken spots are slightly raised, though. A few of the spots also have a slight yellow halo. The more I look at the state of the rootstock, the more I want to get a Neelam scion off it asap.

Any recommendations on forcing it to push new growth? It's getting a monthly time-released fertilizer with micros.
Would girdling the trunk 6" or so below the top do anything?


Going back to Basics: To regulate plants normal vigor.
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1) Sunlight: Needs 6-8 hours of Sunlight

2) Watering: Frequent watering kills more mango trees than less watering. Rely more on rain water than sprinkler or other irrigation systems unless, there is a serous drought going on. For established mango trees watering isn't required.

3) Fertilizers: Try to go with 10-10-10(having  primary and secondary macronutrients with micro) to boost vegetative growth, root growth and overall plant health and vigor,1-2 months apart, in a recommended dose. If you have been using 8-3-9, stop that for few months. 

4) Pesticides: Use it, depending on the disease condition.

5)Soil condition: Test soil ph and correct it if it is adverse for the growth. Mangoes do like little alkaline soil.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Lemon Zest fruits sun burned easy
« on: August 31, 2021, 02:48:45 PM »
Hi Sapote,
Thank you for the heads up. I am about to start growing LZ in Southern Italy. Our summer sun is intense!. I will make sure to provide some shade.

Cheers.
Curious, how did you manage to get a lemon zest tree to Italy?


1) Carrying Budwood or small plants without custom inspection.

2) Shipping plants/budwood with original phytosanitary certificate, must be declared either on
    board or on arrival.

    Shipping tips and Solutions:
    https://www.easyship.com/blog/how-to-ship-plants

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Mango Bacterial Black Spot.  Spray with Copper to reduce spread of MBBS.


To reduce Mango BBS with copper, one may need frequent applications. Before, going through the process one should ascertain their current micronutrient analysis specially "Copper". Foliar spray shows little more promising in Alkaline soil than the banding/side dressing or brodcasting. copper toxicity in plants causing symptoms such as chlorosis and necrosis, stunting, leaf discoloration, and inhibition of root growth.
Copper impedes lignin synthesis in Toxic level which in turn interferes the process of photosynthesis, essential for plant respiration thus plant metabolism of carbohydrates and proteins are depleted.
To reduce spread or to contain to some extent we can spray Copper Oxychloride or Copper Oxide in a recommended doses.

KNOWING MANGO BACTERIAL BLACK SPOT IN FLORIDA:

https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/publication/HS1369


ASSESSING COPPER THRESHOLDS FOR
PHYTOTOXICITY AND POTENTIAL DIETARY
TOXICITY IN SELECTED VEGETABLE CROPS:

https://irrec.ifas.ufl.edu/irsws/History%20Publications/1/JESHYang2002.pdf

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Lemon Zest fruits sun burned easy
« on: August 31, 2021, 12:17:59 PM »
Some  thoughts:
Paint one half the LZ fruit w white latex paint. The half of the fruit that gets the most sun.

#2 Drape fruit with aluminum foil

#3 Buy some disposable foam dinner plates. They are flimsy, so double or triple up on them. To use as a sombrero over the fruit. Here in Tamarac, Florida Walmart is having a sale on them. In there last week I noticed they were 150 or 250 of them for $4

These same plates should keep animals off them. Put a hole in the center. Uses scissors to slit to the center. Fit this over your LZ fruit. Then Use masking tape to seal up the slit



Little concern with Aluminum foil:

When one object touches another heat moves through it. Aluminum foil is a great conductor of heat, It is also so thin that heat can pass through it super easily when it has direct contact. So, Once draped, the parts of the fruit touching aluminum foil will be boiled/toasted. Isn't it?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Irwin mango
« on: August 23, 2021, 04:55:56 PM »
Even in Japan where Irwins can be marketed as the "egg of the sun", they are poorly flavored.

If flavor is a priority, you can skip Irwin.
Ok, so apparently they have no idea what a great mango tastes like. 8)
I couldn't agree more.

Hi guys, I see there is not a lot of love for Irwin mango's in your parts of the world, but did you ever taste Irwin mango, right in the season, from the source in southern Taiwan?

I am certain that this would change your opinion.

The same mango grown in different parts of the world, is never going to taste the same in each place(climate, care,soil). The love and care people put into growing the Irwin mango in Taiwan, among many other varieties, pays of in its taste.

Don't run into a supermarket in Taipei at any given moment of the mango season and buy a mango there, know your source and buy them when they are in the season.

There are also Florida mango's here which are just not grown as much as Irwin or others, and you can taste that in the fruit, they are far from excellent here! (for example, Keitt and Haden mango) But I am sure they taste great when you get them, and eat them in Florida.

Generally, mango grows in their native condition, tend to have a supreme flavor profile like Indian top-tier mangoes. Few Worlds best mangos from Indian Subcontinent like Alphonso, Anwar Ratool, Amrapalli, Chaunsa, Himsagar, kesar, Langra, Sindhri etc. lost their flavor profile significantly in Florida condition.
Irwin is a Florida mango, a cross between two other Florida mangoes, Haden and Lippens, didn't produce any exquisite flavor except for its crimson red color. It is an average mango in Florida when lot of homeowners in Florida refuse to propagate this cultivar.
Probably, Irwin found its new home in Japan, Taiwan and Israel where the flavor profile augmented so drastically.

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