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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: August 04, 2018, 03:28:10 PM »
This heat has become tiresome. 116 today. Doesn't get below 110 until Monday 8/13. I don't remember it ever being this hot for so long. Can't wait for the typical 104-108 deg days.

Most of the trees are holding up surprisingly well though

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana tree fruiting
« on: July 27, 2018, 12:58:07 PM »
Anyone ever eat the stalk heart? Last time I cut one down and was turning it into mulch, it looked edible. But by then it was all chopped up and dirty. I told myself the next stalk I chop down, that I will save the heart (or whatever it's technically called).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 26, 2018, 07:34:42 PM »
One thing to consider in a heatwave is how you water. If you have your orchard set up on a drip system, it may be better to hand water to saturate the entire root zone including the mulch layer. By saturating the entire root zone, you will provide water to all the feeder roots and also increase the humidity around the tree. Iíve found that this type of watering prior to extreme heat prevents some sunburn that may have otherwise occurred. This is especially noticeable on Cherimoya and Lychees.

I normally water my plants with my drip system but prior to a heatwave, I will handwater deeply.

Simon


I don't have lychees and all my anonnas have stayed the same height (1-4') for the last 3 years because of our extreme temps, but I have noticed the same thing. I try and hose water deeply at least every other day during heatwaves and it definitely makes a difference regarding sunburn. Without lots of water, the leaves get droopy, and the sun cooks them off in short order when they are in that state. In years past I just increased the amount of irrigation time when it was hot, but with much less satisfactory results vs hose watering.

Thankfully temps return back to normal after this weekend.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 25, 2018, 10:25:26 PM »

This heat wave is much worse for me. The last one only lasted a day and most trees recovered fine, then put on new growth like crazy. We are on day 3, and the passion fruit which did fine last heat wave is all torn up, all the young annonas are in bad shape, bananas of course beat up. All new growth on my big Lemon Zest looks like crap. The tree that got hit the worst is my Alano sapodilla, which wasn't affected seriously last heat wave, this time I partially covered it and it still got toasted. The Hasyas and my Morena still look good but it probably doesn't make a difference, I will probably never get fruit from any of the sapodillas.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 24, 2018, 11:23:41 AM »
Frank, there are pockets that get much hotter like Corona. it holds heat and cold much more than open areas. I hit 111 today, I am sure it could be repeat of July 6th in my area. I checked 3 other weather stations in my area and they were all within 1 degree +/- of my sensors.

Luckily, im back to water my plants unlike july 6 i was out of the country when my sensor ticked 122f - avocados burnt & lychee maybe dead.




 I prepped my plants earlier with foliar seaweed & humic acid. So far so good on new growths after hitting 115.5f earlier.

I can imagine hitting 125f on wednesday.  :o

125? Where are you? In Inyo County near Death Valley? Reports are that their high will be 126 with a LOW of 104. Wow.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 23, 2018, 07:10:44 PM »
Every time I check accuweather it keeps getting hotter :'(


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 23, 2018, 06:56:13 PM »
Hit 106 already and it's only 1 pm. New growth will get fried.
A lot of the new growth on big LZ is looking bad and it's only day one of the 4 day heatwave. I might as well pull over the shade cloth or it will all get fried by Thursday. Guavas doing OK so far. Sapodillas all look rough, bananas too but I I can't do anything for them.

Plus it seems there's a fire every other day within sight for the last month or so.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 23, 2018, 12:43:28 PM »
I think this heat wave will be worse for us at least. It might be a degree or 2 under the peak of the heatwave 2 weeks ago, but the extreme heat will last much longer.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 23, 2018, 03:43:41 AM »
Here we go again.

Today 118
Tues 118
Wed 120

I think it only got to 118 once last summer. That will be 5 days 118 or over before the end of July. Sigh.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 19, 2018, 09:04:08 PM »
So 2 weeks after the heatwave here's what some of my plants look like(well since it's been 103-114 every day since, pretty much every day is a heatwave here lol).

Banana chose to flower at wrong time. All the bottom fruitlets turned black shriveled up and died. Damage to top of plants too.





Pink guava fruits yellowed on top. Not too much with white guavas.



Haysa Sapodilla which had dangling leaves during day seemed to recover fine.



Newly grafted LZ, Coco Cream, and Sweet tart mangoes under full tree canopy protection are doing fine.





Small sweet tart under full tree canopy protection with new growth. Although the ants seem to love sweet tart above all else and mess up the new growth a little.



Unprotected 4 year old LZ with lots of new growth after heat wave and still holding its lone fruit





Young coco cream somewhat damaged to leaves that stuck out of shade protection.



Finger lime significantly yellowed by sun. Still held on to fruits though



Guamuchiles I have planted for future canopy protection absolutely bursting with new light green growth.



Baby jackfruit and mamey sapote planted next to banana with partial canopy protection did just fine (but will probably die this winter).



Best of all. My little Cotton Candy mango in container I bought from TT, which had done nothing in the 2 months since I received it in the mail, finally started to put on growth after the heat wave.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 19, 2018, 01:49:18 AM »
My Lemon Zest seemed to love the heat wave. And we are the 2nd hottest area in the nation next to Death Valley. The town I live in is literally called "Thermal". My LZ was only holding on to one fruit but looks like it will keep it til maturity. Picture is taken a top a step ladder about 10 days after heat wave. It burst out with growth right after it hit at least 122 degrees.



Waterfowler: with no damages at 122F, I wonder if it was high humidity at yours? My area was 115F but dry and all of my mangoes had burned leaves and fruits. Just a month ago I said the LZ that Simon gave me the cuttings finally held about 5 larger fruits -- about 2 to 3" long -- and I thought I would have LZ to eat this year, but the heat dropped them all; even Glenn couldn't hold any fruits. I think if I had covered the trees with bed sheets then perhaps some fruits could survive.

We've had terrible humidity the last few days but during the heatwave it was very dry I believe. You can see the shade cloth right behind the tree which I've used in years past and up to this spring but I did not use it this time. It seems like the cloth just damages the new tender growth. Like DesertDreamer said above, I deep water my trees with a hose, not 3 or 4 times during spring, but every Sunday once temp start climbing above 110 degrees and stay there. Ranging from a couple of minutes to 20 minutes depending on the size of the tree. Also like DesertDreamer suggested I use accompanying trees/plants next to a lot of my subtropicals to protect them. Namely moringa and castor bean plants. You can see in the photo from my previous post a castor bean leaf off to the right. Their leaves are literally cold to the touch during the heat. Seems like young trees thrive around them.

The LZ and the "manilla" trees at my renter's house are the only mangoes of mine that see full sun most of the day. The other ones are still young and are semi protected underneath shade cloth or underneath larger trees/plants. My Coconut Cream and a CC seedling seems like they fared the worst under the heat wave but nothing major. It was brutal though. When I saw numerous guavas, which are normally tough as nails, with dangling limp leaves it concerned me greatly.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 18, 2018, 04:49:20 PM »


My manilla in the ground with no protection got roasted too.... But not much worse than the others

The HD/LA Verne "manilla" mangos seems really tough up against the heat. I have 2 at my renters home, and they accidentally shut off the water while trying to adjust the irrigation timer during the summer last year. Trees had no water for almost 2 weeks during our typical 110 deg days. Killed a 7 foot Morena Sapodilla, an avocado, and a guava. The 2 manilla mangoes survived, and they are full sun all day long, no shade. This year they are holding onto 40+ fruits ea even though they are probably 8 feet tall max


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 18, 2018, 02:11:13 AM »
My Lemon Zest seemed to love the heat wave. And we are the 2nd hottest area in the nation next to Death Valley. The town I live in is literally called "Thermal". My LZ was only holding on to one fruit but looks like it will keep it til maturity. Picture is taken a top a step ladder about 10 days after heat wave. It burst out with growth right after it hit at least 122 degrees.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangosteen at 99 Ranch Market
« on: July 14, 2018, 12:53:38 PM »
There's a place we deliver to in the LA Produce Market area. I had one of our drivers pick up 15# for $78 a month ago. They were from Thailand though. I didn't need that much, wish I had known about this deal.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 10, 2018, 02:04:17 PM »



Well looking at the lemon zest, it did take more damage to the new growth than I thought. But it still seems like it takes the heat much better than my sweet tart, and definitely Coconut Cream. Maybe about the same as Keitt and "manilla" mango. The Coconut Cream may be delicious but it isn't particularly tough. Doesn't seem to deal with the cold or extreme heat well.



I agree. My lemon zest flushed through the heat with no negative effects. You can see the flush with no spray on it. Thee are even new flushes today. Still going.




Something is having a negative effect on that LZ as it looks sickly...

Looks like he cares for it so well though.  ;D My LZ wish I treated it like he does. I have lots of mulch but there's grass coming up all around it. I'm also done with protecting it from the sun anymore. It's getting too big to cover anymore and earlier this year I did cover it on our first 110+ day which did more harm than good, the shade cloth roughed up all the new delicate growth when the wind rustled it up against them. Mangoes are much tougher than I give them credit for. I need to stop babying them so much.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 09, 2018, 01:52:31 PM »



Well looking at the lemon zest, it did take more damage to the new growth than I thought. But it still seems like it takes the heat much better than my sweet tart, and definitely Coconut Cream. Maybe about the same as Keitt and "manilla" mango. The Coconut Cream may be delicious but it isn't particularly tough. Doesn't seem to deal with the cold or extreme heat well.



I agree. My lemon zest flushed through the heat with no negative effects. You can see the flush with no spray on it. Thee are even new flushes today. Still going.




What's all that white stuff on the leaves?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 07, 2018, 10:05:39 PM »



Well looking at the lemon zest, it did take more damage to the new growth than I thought. But it still seems like it takes the heat much better than my sweet tart, and definitely Coconut Cream. Maybe about the same as Keitt and "manilla" mango. The Coconut Cream may be delicious but it isn't particularly tough. Doesn't seem to deal with the cold or extreme heat well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 07, 2018, 09:34:23 PM »
Was only supposed to get to 118 here. Thermo said 122 at 5pm. Even some of the guavas got crispy tips. New growth on the Sapodillas drooped until sun passed over to the west. Ice cream beans look a little distressed except ones underneath castor bean plants which I swear cool down the trees around it. Bananas got a little beat up too. Sugar apples are ok but lots of foliage on the cherimoyas is fried, even ones in almost full shade. Young white sapotes have looked miserable since yesterday around 11AM, they still look bad, even the ones in the shade.  Surprisingly new growth on my lemon zest took it like a champ. Passion fruit, young star fruit seedlings and young newly transplanted figs weren't phased at all.

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Do you find that you need to irrigate them, or do they make it without water?  Because in the bay area I've seen them grow like weeds, with no water, and are hard to deal with when they grow.

These particular castor bean plants are sitting in nice damp ground all the time. Runoff from ice cream bean and starfruit  trees. The small ice cream bean and mango seedlings in particular that sit underneath them are happy as a clam in the 110+ degree heat. I have other castor bean plants sitting in other parts of the ranch who's leaves feel a little cold but not like these. I'm guessing because the other ones are 2-3 years old, get less water, and their leaves are much smaller, thus get less cold. The castor bean leaves in the photo are only 4 months old but have huge leaves over a foot across. The larger the leaves, the colder they feel. It's quite a phenomenon when it's blazing hot outside and you grab these leaves and they actually feel chilled. I was surprised they temped at 83, they feel much colder.

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I have noticed that my young subtropicals planted around castor bean plants seem to do better than the others planted around my other shade helper trees, namely moringa and guavas. Their large leaves feel cool to the touch, almost like they've been stuck in a refrigerator.

So, I got out my temp gun and gauged the temperature of leaves of various trees within a 10 foot radius. Here are the results

Banana 107



Guava 108



Feijoa 111



Castor bean 83



Does anyone else notice their cold leaves creating a very nice microclimate for their young tropical trees? Too bad the plant itself is butt ugly.  ;D

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Ding! Ding! I think we have a winner! I don't remember buying tree tomato seeds. But whatever!  ;D Photos of the leaves look the same.

They are supposed to hate our hot dry weather but this thing looks happy as a clam and growing like crazy. In 3 years I have cut it in half, it had freeze dieback, and I have transplanted it 3 times but it refuses to die!

It's in solanacae family Tamarillo I think!

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I don't think it's a that one sahai. The leaves are totally different. I thought it might be a So-Shang fruit tree, I definitely tried to germinate seeds of that fruit but the leaves look too light, and not robust and glossy enough. Plus the fruit is not elliptical.

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Tried to grow probably 20 varieties of fruit 3 years ago. I don't remember what I sowed but the seeds that didn't germinate, I tossed in a raised bed garden. This one came up after a while, so I put into a container, then transplanted into a,spot in the yard. It grew really fast the 1st year, then the winter came, it got down to 26 degrees and it killed about a foot off the top. I then wanted to put a different tree in its place so I moved it. It started to produce fruit this spring but only one took. It has leaves similar to citrus only much larger and lighter.

Any guesses?






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Shade Tree for So Cal
« on: April 18, 2018, 02:50:24 PM »
Moringa trees jump out of the ground like crazy and are much easier to shape than Mulberries but they are a health benefits type tree rather than a fruit to eat out of hand type tree. They can go from seed to 10 feet easily in a single year here. But mine are out in the open rather up against structure so when it got down to 28 degrees the winter before last, it killed the top half of the trees. They are a nice looking tree that flowers profusely most of the year attracting lots of pollenators to your yard.

Oh, that's a nice idea.  I have heard folks prune them back hard in the winter.  How tall can they get in SoCal if allowed to grow?

The tallest I've seen here is around 20 feet but that's because the winters here keep them in check. They will probably get bigger along the coastal areas. One downside is that they don't have a huge spread, so you might have to plant more than one depending on how much shade you need. On the plus side, they lose a lot of their leaves during the winter, leaving sparse leaves, bare limbs and hanging drumsticks all the way until late spring allowing lots of light in when you need it most. The leaves and drumsticks are packed full of nutrients, so I imagine they are fantastic for compost and mulch.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Shade Tree for So Cal
« on: April 18, 2018, 02:20:57 PM »
Moringa trees jump out of the ground like crazy and are much easier to shape than Mulberries but they are a health benefits type tree rather than a fruit to eat out of hand type tree. They can go from seed to 10 feet easily in a single year here. But mine are out in the open rather up against structure so when it got down to 28 degrees the winter before last, it killed the top half of the trees. They are a nice looking tree that flowers profusely most of the year attracting lots of pollenators to your yard.

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