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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Today’s Harvest from the orchard
« on: November 12, 2018, 06:32:35 PM »
Winds breaking my trees too. fortunately, it us clearing out dome smoke. (Not helping the fire though)Looks post apocalyptic here from the camp fire when they aren't blowing. I can barely breathe outside.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: strawberries and blueberries
« on: November 09, 2018, 10:54:40 AM »
I have several types of strawberries growing in a shallow 4x8 raised bed near my house and I made a 5 ft tower with holes drilled in the side, backfilled with dirt and stuck small plants in last spring. They didn't produce much in spring and berries were very bland, but I got much better larger berries this last month or two. (Seascape variety mostly, so as long as temps are ok they will produce)
I believe I read somewhere they will do much better in year two...
My blueberries were bareroot in spring and produced only 5 fruit each... I believe blueberries will produce more once mature. I've thinned mine like you would a tree, no crossing branches, airflow through the middle. Hopefully they will produce alot of fruit next year..They've not stopped growing at all since spring.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting trees grown in Gritty Mix
« on: November 09, 2018, 01:07:06 AM »
I'm in california... what is rain? lol...been in a drought for like 10 years up here. (Besides two years ago when a dam nearly broke and threatened to flood my city...)
I have water restrictions and very high water rates in the summer. Ill keep all the moisture I can.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Today’s Harvest from the orchard
« on: November 08, 2018, 07:52:41 PM »
Mine lilikoi set a dozen fruits so far. I did hand pollinate most of them. They are smaller than Fredrick. Will find out if they taste better.

Nice, Did you use its own pollen?  Post pics when they are ripe.
Agreed. I just got a cutting from Brad for the wife. Please let us know how they taste!


    What variety are those two fruits? Are they Dream atemoya? They look very tasty and great looking fruit to boot.


Hey Vince
Here in SoCal we call dream by its original name Arka Sahan....we believe they are the same variety

Hey JF, how are the dream in SoCal? I have some growing from seed right now (im in norcal) should I grow to maturity or use at root stalk in your opinion?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting trees grown in Gritty Mix
« on: November 08, 2018, 01:55:48 PM »
Zephian - I’d be cautious with overdoing the mulch.
I went gonzo with wood chip mulch in an area for several months, then planted trees and I’m convinced the too-thick mulch suffocated and drowned the trees.
I'll keep your advice in mind and check my soil conditions come spring. I'll be mounding the soil and planting above the ground level pulling back the mulch as I go. My mulch (woodchips/tree trimmings) is very fresh and should break down a couple of inches at least.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting trees grown in Gritty Mix
« on: November 08, 2018, 11:45:02 AM »
Remember to dig a hole three times the diameter of the rootball of the tree.  I think mixing half soil and half container mix and using that for the fill dirt is a good idea.  That way, you won't have as much of a barrier to root growth.

Quite the opposite if in clay.  You will not only have an artificially created barrier (roots will stay confined to the hole) but the tree will soon rot, drown.  Never amend backfill.

Any advice for soil that is completely dead? I would like to use native soil when planting but after looking at the soil I am leaning toward mixing it with worm castings at 50:50 ratio.

This is what I dug up.

Standing water after 5 days, I dug the hole even bigger and mixed native soil with cactus soil amendment.

Edit: this is to plant mango and other subtropical trees in Zone 9B.
I have an area in my yard that looks just as lifeless (Though it drains way better than that....) I tilled it (yeah yeah, soil life destroyed, etc) and layed about 8 inches of mulch on top. Even after two weeks my soil has changed dramatically. I plan on mulching heavily until spring before I even plant here.

went on vacation and my sister in law watered while I was away... Lost all but a few of my sprouts and they're looking pretty sad...
One yellow .. had about 10. probably down to about 5 reds :(

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: October 22, 2018, 11:55:25 AM »
I wander around my yard every night so shouldn't be a problem to have fruit that fall of when ready. I'm only on about a quarter of an acre so it's not a real chore for me to check.
Rodents are bad in my fenced off garden, though not too bad lately. Think I've got them mostly exterminated. The avocado trees will go in the corner my dog likes to hang out in, hopefully that will help. 10ft is what I'll probably end up doing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: October 22, 2018, 11:29:14 AM »
I don't have to many animals I'd be worried about eating avocados.
My Lamb Hass seems to be growing the best out of all of mine. They're all still in pots... I'm sure they're all going to take off when planted this spring.
What would you recommend for spacing for these trees? I plan on putting them all in a corner of my yard and planting them as close as possible. (Lamb-Hass, Holiday, Stewart, and the future GEM)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: October 22, 2018, 10:46:49 AM »
Nice to hear that you prefer the stewart over mexicola. I expect mine to do better than my other two trees as it's my most cold hardy variety. How heavily does it produce, and do you know if it's alternate bearing?
My wife was trying to talk me in to planting a mexicola because she had one and liked it and I don't want to plant another tree... haha.

Looks like your very dry soil is shedding the water. I would mix in the screened compost with the soil and water slowly over a few days to get it wet. It may take some time. Some people use hair shampoo as an additive to water as a surfactant which may help, don't use too much, maybe a spoonful per 5 gallon bucket. The shampoo ingredient list should include sodium or ammonium laurel sulphate, an anionic surfactant.

I was going to use a 5 gallon bucket of sand to loosen up the dirt, do you think it will work?
Doesn't sand + Clay (and organic material such as straw) make Adobe? I haven't tried it without compacting it but I would think that would make the soil worse.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Today’s Harvest from the orchard
« on: October 19, 2018, 09:11:22 PM »
You are not going to be happy but wonderful is a really sub par pomagranite.  I have one of them.  The seeds are big and hard and leave you with a mouth of seed.  Im going to yank mine and put in a new one.  Ive got a couple other types that are keepers. 

I got my plants as little starter sleves for 20$ from the local nursery.  They were dave wilson starter plants.
Wonderful is what we are used to out here. It's a normal backyard plant out here. I can only find two types at our local nursery - Wonderful and sweet. Dave wilson website lists those two varieties at my local nursery though (Local being 45 minutes out, my town has nothing) Ill check this spring they look 'wonderful'

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Today’s Harvest from the orchard
« on: October 19, 2018, 05:03:52 PM »
Very nice harvest, great job guys!
I've not seen those varieties of pomegranates before. I have a 'wonderful' I purchased this year with a small fruit hanging on it, but I've always found them only OK. Do you purchase those varieties locally or are they grown from seeds or cutting? Pomegranates seem to grow very quickly with little care here and I want to add at least one more to my collection.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: October 18, 2018, 05:49:29 PM »
I was on a trip this past weekend in the Pacific Northwest (CA), and I ran into an Avocado tree in front of a local bakery in the heart of the Ocean peninsula town of Mendocino, CA.  I'm always happy to see random Avocado trees in public.  Here're a couple pics.

Oh, I think I may have seen this tree before! My wife and I go out to fort bragg and the botanical gardens frequently and have stopped and toured that area a couple of times.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw inquiry
« on: October 18, 2018, 05:44:46 PM »
I have Atemoya, and sugar apples already in the works. Cherimoya next year. I think I would want to grow PawPaw 'just because' It would be a nice comparison if I got them all fruiting.
There are definitely some die hard pawpaw fanatics out there but I've had multiple people now tell me Cherimoya > rest.

If I had room I would grow anything and everything I could get my hands on... :)

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw inquiry
« on: October 18, 2018, 03:57:08 PM »
Awesome. I think I will try a couple and see how they do. Chilling hours are readily available for <45 in my area but I don't see anywhere listing sub 40.
My area gets anywhere from 400 at the lowest to 800-1000 chill hours average a year and summers can hit 115.

Thanks for the input, I may reach out to you again in spring. I have several species planned already and this one may get cut to make room for cherimoya or something else.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Pawpaw inquiry
« on: October 17, 2018, 03:46:37 PM »
Hello! I've seen a lot of talk in this forum about Pawpaws and I've been interested in them for several months now.
I have a couple questions about them though,

1) Will they grow well in my area? I am in zone 9b. Locally we grow alot of stone fruits in my area so chill hours should be ok?
2) What are some good varieties to grow? I've seen discussion about some tasting like mangos, others like banana, etc. I personally prefer banana, but the wife loves mangos.
3) Can they be maintained in a pot?
4) Sourcing: would anyone have seeds come late winter/early spring to try? I'm at my limit for what I can germinate and keep warm for the winter here.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: GEM avocado in Los Angeles area?
« on: October 17, 2018, 03:14:33 PM »
To my knowledge it's under patent to University of California since early 2000's. I remember looking back in to this earlier this year. I'll see if I can find the patent information again.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What does a pawpaw taste like?
« on: October 17, 2018, 09:58:18 AM »
Send me some I'll plant it for you :) sounds like it would love my area. Haha

They're loving this humid weather! Still no yellows....

I ripped out a bunch of my tomatoes that I failed to stake up in time and were taking over the garden and found 3 rats nests! Haha! Be gone suckers!
too bad they were all empty... I may have already got the inhabitants... :P

I currently have one of the tomcat rat snap traps ( and it works great with peanut butter 8/10 times. occasionally a rat will get its front legs stuck and I find my trap moved with a live rat in the morning. I let my cat in my garden a couple of weeks ago and he found a nest under some pumpkins and had a fun time.

was that a squirrelnator? those are too pricey for a cheap guy like me.

The darn things love my bay tree now too. saw 4 of them in it last night :/
Time for some mass 'removal' anyone have tips for catching large quantities fast? live or dead... I don't really care just fastest removal method besides poison.

My citrus trees are not affected. Rats and squirrels seem to prefer my persimmon trees, zucchinis and tomatoes. also any melon... I haven't had luck this season with anything but pumpkins and peppers thanks to the rats in my area. (I live near the river and tree orchards)

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