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Mine are east facing. I plan to move them to my side yard soon as it's cooling off now. the 110+ weather cooked everything in my yard. I painted the trunk on the hass because sunburn was becoming an issue for me. Remember that my holiday/stewart are new additions and not from my original few earlier this year... once they go permanently in the ground they will be in the easternmost part of my property but that corner gets almost full sun all day.

Took some pictures real fast. My trees are a bit droopy... It's pretty hot in the back yard right now.

This is the Hass I got in SoCal in march. Came back from pretty bad root rot.

Biggest leaf on the Hass

Holiday already recovering from dropped foliage and bad root rot from home depot

Stewart from home depot

Late yesterday, I pulled the one remaining dead Avocado from my Spring plantings.  Five of nine died in all, however at least three of the five were already dead going in (hailstorm survivors, and rotting root systems) from the outset.  I haven't yet replaced the others, but this replacement is a Stewart.  It fills out the five tree slots I still have growing on the side of my yard.  None are thriving now, but all are alive.  It will be interesting to see how well I can protect them going into the colder seasons.

Something I always puzzle over is the water habits at the nursery.  The general conclusion for why my trees did so poorly early on was that the soil medium was too absorbent and that the trees had wet feet.  So the old leaves would turn brown and drop.  A lot of new leaves seemed to fizzle up and dry before they even got started.  I'm still not 100% convinced it was for over-watering with my once a month one or two gallons watering regime early on.  But to the original point, whenever I stop by and check these trees at the nursery, they are soaking wet in their 5G pots.  I think they water twice a day, morning and evening.  They are grown in a kind of redwood chip heavy soil, that seems to get really wet.  Low perlite/vermiculite content.  I'm wondering how they can water the trees this way and not have problems, whereas I am barely watering them at my house and the assumption is over-watering.  It could be the limited light these trees get on the side of the house is in part to blame, however of the five trees that fizzled, four were in full or nearly full sun.  Only one of the five on the side of the house died.

Here are some pics of the new Stewart.  It's the best of about six available at the Roseville, CA Green Acres Nursery.  They're all Four Winds Growers stock.  Kind of expensive at ~$38 a tree.

At home depot here in town they definitely water it daily. I think you don't see issues because the nurseries out here have such a small inventory they cycle through it pretty fast - before the root rot starts too show.
I have removed all mulch from my trees so they can dry out a bit more.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wildlife in your fruit trees ?
« on: September 16, 2018, 01:48:12 AM »
Interesting animals! All I get are spiders in my citrus (orb weavers) bats squirrels and rats. :( at least I don't have to deal with venemous snakes.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Advise me citrus masters!
« on: September 14, 2018, 10:16:49 PM »
I'm going to leave it for the season. I am getting new growth but barely. The weathers been nice and it's tricking alot of my plants right now...
The trees are established to a good size where no new growth would be quite fine with me, though. I will probably do some cleanup on the lemon tree as theres alot of crossing branches that make picking fruit hard. I believe it's on a dwarf rootstalk as the canopy is only 2-3 ft up.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Advise me citrus masters!
« on: September 14, 2018, 08:32:35 PM »
The trees were already established when I first saw them 6 years ago (I haven't asked but im sure they're 10+ years old)
Thanks for the input guys.

The replacement trees are only a couple of weeks old now. Not much to show.
Holiday wasn't in the best shape and a branch has dropped it's leaves already but hasn't withered up.
I think it will make a recovery but we will see.
The stewart seems alot more forgiving and the Hass has come back from a pretty bad root rot issue. I'll send some pictures in a couple weeks.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Advise me citrus masters!
« on: September 14, 2018, 10:35:28 AM »
Although the leaves are damaged, they still have quite a bit of green areas remaining. Do not prune off leaves damaged by citrus leafminer since undamaged areas of leaves continue to produce food for the tree.    Next year apply Spinosad (you can find information concerning Spinosad on the Internet) it will protect the tree from  leaf miner damage. The wrote two years ago the tree had a lesser amount damage, this year it had much more damage, next year it could have even for damage.
When would be a good time to spray spinosad? It kills benificial insects too so I don't want to spray when blooming...the bees are all over my trees.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Advise me citrus masters!
« on: September 13, 2018, 03:55:32 PM »
Trees are very well established. I got hundreds of oranges, lemons and probably 50 pommelos as big as my head last year.
I noticed some of this last year too but it wasn't as severe. The lime tree is my only 'young' citrus on my property.

If the damage is already done I don't mind leaving it on their, it doesn't seem to affect the production at all.

Citrus General Discussion / Advise me citrus masters!
« on: September 12, 2018, 11:39:22 PM »
Sorry if this is a long post. I've got some issues with my Citrus trees right now.
They all appear to have some leaf curl in new growth and possible leaf miner. Is there any thing I can do to treat these short of spraying a pesticide? If I absolutely have too I can, but the wife would prefer a 'natural' solution. The trees are Naval Orange, Meyer Lemon, and Pomelo. Not sure what variety.

Any help is appreciated.













Pomelo Leaf

Pomelo sundamage? Very hot summer. Should I paint this over?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Osmocote on sale (Amazon)
« on: September 12, 2018, 11:27:51 PM »
Funny how I posted this and forgot to purchase some... atleast I still have about 6lbs. :)

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking for: Starfruit seeds
« on: September 12, 2018, 05:32:07 PM »
Hello everyone.
I'm looking for some starfruit seeds.
Preferable dwarf varieties (Hawaiian, or Maher, etc)
Please let me know if you have any for sale.


I lost my lamb hass and holiday to overwatering. Replaced them with Stewart and holiday from home Depot and reported same day and guess what?...root rot. They are doing OK now though. Where did you find reed? Brad just sent me a huge Reed I think we are trying tomorrow and if the wife loves it I'm screwed.... lol. I've been focusing on some other plants but the avocados are the wife's favourite thing to eat.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why wont my passion vine fruit?
« on: September 09, 2018, 03:32:08 PM »
I had to hand pollinate mine, it bloomed a couple of months ago and no fruit set even hand pollinated. It bloomed again last month and I hand pollinated and it set fruit that are huge now. Bees in my yard are all over my artichoke and pomegranate but don't touch my passion fruit. I read somewhere that carpenter bees are the best for this, maybe I'll set up some bee 'houses' near the vines for next season.

Probably hard to see but I've been trying to get this to germinate for a while now... friday moved it to a window that gets full sun in the mornings instead of a window in my house that is tinted...and Bam! Germination!

You couldn't get them to germinate, now your gonna have 10,000 :)
Hopefully I have success with the yellow too....then I won't mind 10,000. :D

Probably hard to see but I've been trying to get this to germinate for a while now... friday moved it to a window that gets full sun in the mornings instead of a window in my house that is tinted...and Bam! Germination!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: September 08, 2018, 07:07:25 PM »
My backyard broke 101 yesterday....

Tropical Fruit Discussion / JoeHewitt!! Show us your place!
« on: September 07, 2018, 05:45:06 PM »
I love Bills videos, he's always so excited about everything he does.

40 acres? overlooking the bay? Will you be documenting this project? I know I'd love to see it!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guavas in Nor Cal?
« on: September 07, 2018, 03:17:51 PM »
I'm an hour north of Sacramento near the river. I believe we got snow once in the last 25 years. and it was a dusting :)
Sounds like I should be fine to just go for it. I'll probably pick one up while I'm in SoCal if I can find any.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Natural pest control
« on: September 07, 2018, 02:14:33 PM »
I have tried ordering ladybugs repeatedly to try to control cottony cushion scale but they haven't helped at all.  The Vedalia type that famously destroys CCS doesn't seem to be available to order, only common ladybugs which don't seem interested in them.  I have been thinking about getting some small lizards for general insect control but am still stuck with spraying for scale.
I had some CCS earlier this year. I treated it with a spritz of alcohal and cut out some pretty heavily infested spots. I have not found any since. My area seems to have an abundance of lady bugs and asian lady beetles, hopefully they are keeping it down now.

Has anyone perfected this process? I have not had luck with mine that I purchased from Mike. (Thanks mike!)
Would I be better off using straight peat moss? Peat moss and vermiculite? Perlite?
I recently mixed up some peat moss (70%)+vermiculite(20%) and some perlite (10%) for a seed starter as I'm going to be starting my fall vegetable garden and starting more seedlings+cuttings, would this work or would straight peat moss be best?
I keep my seeds in a dome with a heat mat around 70% humidity still with no success. I believe that the medium I am planting them in may be the issue.
I was using this potting mix with success on Jaboticabas, eugenias, sapodillas and peanut butter fruit but recently I have noticed some fungus gnats and treated with hydrogen peroxide+water mix and they're all gone now.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guavas in Nor Cal?
« on: September 07, 2018, 01:46:10 PM »
Where I'm at in the valley rarely reaches below 32f. we had a couple days last year that we hit 'freezing' but generally it's 38+ low from november-january.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guavas in Nor Cal?
« on: September 07, 2018, 12:06:11 PM »
Thanks for the inputs guys.
To those of you who grow guava's are there any particular varieties I should look in to getting?
The main thing these fruits would be for are juice. I believe red varieties are best?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guavas in Nor Cal?
« on: September 07, 2018, 08:29:15 AM »
I really only get a couple days of frost and I could defiantly give it some protection. Does anyone know where I could even source a guava? There's nothing nearby. Is it worth looking around Anaheim in October or should I get something from a forum member?

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