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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Leaf Scorch?
« on: September 24, 2018, 04:59:15 PM »
Are the following pictures indicative of “leaf scorch?”
These are young trees that for most of the summer I fear had wet feet causing a weak root system.
I exposed the soil around the trees to aid in drying. We then have had quite hot, dry, and windy weather.

I’m thinking this is the perfect setup for leaf scorch.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Leaf Scorch?
« on: September 23, 2018, 10:29:29 PM »
Are the following pictures indicative of “leaf scorch?”
These are young trees that for most of the summer I fear had wet feet causing a weak root system.
I exposed the soil around the trees to aid in drying. We then have had quite hot, dry, and windy weather.

I’m thinking this is the perfect setup for leaf scorch.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / I Turned My Orchard Into a Swamp - now what?
« on: August 02, 2018, 08:42:57 PM »
I’ve just come to the realization that I have basically been drowning my newly planted trees by surrounding them with excessively deep woodchip mulch. Clay soil is compounding the problem.
The soil around the trees seems rather like mud.

To remedy this, I have cleared away the mulch in a 2 foot diameter around the tree to temporarily expose the soil to speed drying.

What else can I do, if anything?

Would spading around the tree help/hurt?
What about working up the very top layer of soil 1-2 inches to increase surface area for evaporation?

My plan was to eventually add a much thinner layer of mulch back once moisture levels seem more normal.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Best time to relocate Fig?
« on: July 04, 2018, 03:13:51 PM »
I have a fig in the ground since last April or May.....I want to move it to another spot.

Assuming the best time to do this would be the fall, once it's totally dormant, or perhaps late winter/early spring before it breaks bud.

Thoughts/advice/cautionary tales?  I've never moved a tree before, so any other general advice is appreciated.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Planting trees grown in Gritty Mix
« on: July 02, 2018, 11:48:03 AM »
I have a couple potted trees that have been grown in Al's Gritty Mix.
I want to plant them in the ground - would there be issues just planting with whatever Mix remains intact around the roots, or should I estentially bare-root the plant?
I was concerned about the radical soil differential by having essentially gravel around the root ball and then native soil around, which has a fair amount of clay.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Fig not really fruiting?
« on: June 13, 2018, 11:45:58 AM »
I bought and planted a 2-gallon Celeste (supposedly) fig last April. It grew fine, but it dropped the fruits that it formed when they were about marble-sized.
We had a pretty brutal winter and very cold April. I did cover the tree totally in leaves to try to protect it, but there was still some bark cracking due to the cold.

It has put on some new growth from last year's shoots, but mostly it has sent up several new shoots from the base. They're about 3-feet tall now. Tree looks very healthy.

however, there are no fruits forming on the new shoots from the base, and only a few from the new growth originating from last year's wood.

Is this typical?

Maybe the new basal shoots just need a few more weeks to form fruits, or....?

Help from y'all who are experienced would be greatly appreciated.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: March 01, 2018, 10:18:02 AM »
Kicking off the 3rd annual "Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread!

Hard to believe this is the third year.

The purpose of this thread is to document the progress and productivity of wild pawpaw (Asimina triloba) patches.
Anyone and everyone who has pawpaws growing in their area is welcome and encouraged to contribute.

I'll go ahead and get us kicked off:
Here in TN, we have had a crazy-warm second half of February. (Also crazy-rainy.) We've actually had a couple of days reach 80 degrees. Have not had any frost in a couple of weeks at least.
Bradford Pears and Chinese Magnolias are blooming as of a couple of days ago. Daffodils, etc are up and blooming.
Sooooooooo.....are the pawpaws blooming yet?

Last Sunday (2/25) I checked the "mother tree" in Nashville that I always keep an eye on. The flower buds were definitely in action but not open yet. The size of small blueberries. The flower "stem" (peduncle I believe is the term) was quite elongated on most flower buds.
This tree has always had early-ripening fruit, so perhaps it's ahead of other trees. I haven't been able to look at my local wild patches yet.

We have some cool nights coming up, forecast around 32F, but I don't see anything that would harm the flowers. Last year we had some 20F nights in March that really zapped things.

Fingers crossed for no late freezes.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / YIKES! Fig damage - what's up?
« on: February 15, 2018, 02:09:57 PM »
I have a Celeste fig that was in about a 1 gallon pot when I planted last April.
I read about covering figs in the winter to prevent dieback, so I basically completely buried it in leaves.

It has reached 72F here today, so I went to remove all the leaves to prevent "overheating" per recommendations from the nursery.

I found on the main trunk some splitting of the bark:

Is this cold damage or freeze/thaw damage? Or "overheating" damage?

What are the consequences of this damage?

Thanks for the help!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Treating with root stimulant
« on: February 09, 2018, 07:20:56 PM »
Is there any value (or negative effect) to watering newly transplanted seedlings with rooting stimulants/hormones such as DynaGro KLN?

Looking for pawpaw scions (in late winter 2018)
Particularly interested in the following but open to other cultivars:
Green River Belle
Quaker Delight
Rebecca’s Gold

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Really Stupid Question....
« on: September 22, 2017, 03:33:00 PM »
Ok, though I have been on this forum for a while and have some knowledge about plants and such, there are some glaring holes in my experience/wisdom because I have only been growing things for 3 years.

So here is my super-dumb beginner's question:

Say you have some potted trees in a soil-less potting mix (bark/peat mix). When you go to plant those trees in the ground, do you:
  • gently remove the mix from around the roots so the plant is immersed in the native soil; or
  • leave the potting mix intact and just fill around it with native soil

Basically option 1 is bare-rooting the plant. Based on things I've read, i can see benefits to both options. Option 1 would presumably eliminate issues of soil differential in the root zone, water retention/drainage differential with native soil, etc. However, it could possibly damage the root system (though a soil-less mix basically would fall off the roots on its own).

Looking for advice from folks who've done this - as you can see, I have never done it!

I hope to be planting about 20 seedling trees in the spring and I want to be prepared to provide shade via some kind of cloth or fabric for each individual tree.
Anyone have any advice on a reliable, inexpensive way to do this?

I have a few ideas:
1) circle of 4ft-high chicken wire, anchored with stakes, wrapped in cloth
2) "teepee" structure with three poles at angles, joined at top, driven partially in the ground and wrapped with cloth
3) more of a semi-circle of a screen on the east, west, and south side with 3 spaced stakes driven vertically and cloth stretched across

I guess a box made out of cheap furring strips is a possibility but would be more laborious to make 20 of those suckers!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Stone Mulch in Temperate Climate?
« on: August 11, 2017, 10:28:43 AM »
I keep coming across references in various places to stone/rock "mulch" around trees or shrubs as a unique method of water conservation or even harvesting.

The thing that most piqued my interest was the concept of the rocks condensing/concentrating the dew and feeding that down to the soil.
I've read other people talking about other just general water conservation benefits along with heat radiation, soil cooling, etc.

My question is whether the dew "harvesting" action will be effective in a temperate climate? I guess I'm showing my ignorance of biophysics/chemistry a bit here.

Would love to hear anyone's experience with rocks in temperate zones. I'm thinking larger stones, baseball-size or larger.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / 2017 Ohio Pawpaw Festival
« on: August 03, 2017, 05:13:55 PM »
Any forum members planning to go to the Ohio Pawpaw Festival this year?

I'm considering making my first visit.

September 15-17.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Golden Kiwi - whoa
« on: July 20, 2017, 09:31:24 AM »
Just had my first Golden Kiwi from the grocery store.

Wow - it was good. Very sweet with honey type aspect. Some acid, but not like a normal kiwi.

I have not yet researched these....anyone know much about them or share my reaction?

I will try to add pictures as soon as I can get them.

I have several new seedlings, about 5 inches tall with about 3 nice leaves each. Almost all of these seedlings have a peculiar issue.
The growing tip, where the new baby leaves form, has turned bronze/gold/brownish. The seedlings otherwise look perfectly healthy.
This is not a dried-up-shriveled kind of thing, just a discoloration, though they seem to be in a bit of a growth stupor. (we've had unusually cool and wet weather, I'd say).

Any thoughts as to what is causing this, or even if this is something to be concerned about?

Even some of my 2nd year seedlings have this. Only a few of the plants (the very youngest that are only a couple inches tall) and a couple of the 2-year-olds do NOT have this issue. On these plants, the tiny growing tip is green or even whitish.

All help appreciated!

Looking for Che scions.....don't have much to offer in return other than $$  :)

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Cold protection for new muscadines?
« on: March 11, 2017, 12:16:30 PM »
I have some muscadine vines that I bought and planted last November.
One of them has started to swell its buds but no true bud break yet. We are about to have a couple of nights in the low 20s.
Any ideas what effect this will have on the vines?
Should I take heroic measures to protect the above-ground part of the vines (about 5 feet)?

Was wondering about wrapping them in Christmas lights with or without some kind of envelope around.
And/or maybe I should be worried about the roots too ....

Anxious in Tennessee

Temperate Fruit Discussion / 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: February 27, 2017, 12:38:31 PM »
With the early warm weather in many areas, it seems like we're ready to start the pawpaw watch this year!

I was out visiting a tree yesterday in the Nashville area, and it already had flowers starting to emerge on some buds. Petals still green and tightly closed, but they had begun emerging from the fuzzy brown buds for sure.

We had a low of 28-29 F on Sunday morning, so not sure how they will be affected. Lows over the next 15 days are all above freezing except for one day that's currently predicted at 32F.

We had a mild winter last year too, and bumper crops of wild fruit in my area. Hoping for the same again, and fingers crossed for no late frosts.

Anyone else have updates yet?

Not sure if you've been enjoying the Google Doodle animations during the Olympics like I have.
Pretty cool that they are highlighting fruit, given Brazil's position in the fruit world.

I noticed today that they seem to have a Rambutan playing volleyball with a....fig?

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Feel the Bern...I mean....burn
« on: August 10, 2016, 10:45:20 AM »
My veggie/fruit garden is plagued with every kind of disease known to man, it seems.

Literally every plant I have, from tomatoes to melons, has one or more diseases. My cucurbit plants are the most affected, but really everything has something.

Things are still producing (except for several tomatoes that were felled by disease) but clearly they are not happy.

So I was thinking of burning the whole area - the beds and the "yard" around it - to hopefully knock back the disease and also the chiggers that make going back to the garden a pain in the rear, literally.

Anyone have experience with controlled yard or garden burns that can offer advice or suggestions? I've already done some research but I always like to hear from folks here.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Pelletizing seeds
« on: August 10, 2016, 10:40:05 AM »
Reading One Straw Revolution a while ago has sparked an idea in my head that I wanted to get feedback on.

In the book, the author talks about "pelletizing" seed (rice seed I think) by manually encapsulating individual seeds in a ball of soil. He would then broadcast the soil pellets, and the seeds would of course germinate and there you go.

I was daydreaming about pelletizing and broadcasting Maypop seeds, which are pretty small, into "wild" areas (places with lots of wild grasses, wildflowers, etc already established). Thought this might make the broadcasting easier and might aid in the actual establishment of the seeds.


Had a crazy idea and wanted to see the reaction.

Given the fact that passifloras root readily from cuttings, and because I am just transplanting some tomato seedlings in my garden: does it make sense to dig a trench and bury the root ball plus several inches of stem on a passion vine, like with tomatoes?
The theory would be that it might form more roots at the leaf nodes (perhaps slicing the nodes like when rooting cuttings) and send up more shoots from the "topside" of the node....

Has anyone tried this?

Temperate Fruit Discussion / 2016 Wild Pawpaw Watch thread
« on: March 14, 2016, 03:00:16 PM »
On a whim decided to make this thread......for the second year running I have plans to hand-pollinate a few pawpaw patches in my area.

I don't have any of my own, so my only means to a fall pawpaw feast is via wild trees.

I plan to post here as I wait for the flowers to open and then will update with progress.

As of 3/6, I observed some flower buds definitely bulging but not terribly far along. I'm overdue for another status check.

I'd welcome other folks in other locales to post here when they see their first pawpaw flowers.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Fig Root Damage to property
« on: March 10, 2016, 06:31:50 PM »
I feel like I've read several places that figs have aggressive roots that can damage house foundations, plumbing, pavement, etc.

Is that right?

I'm considering planting a fig (a dwarf variety) in the ground near some asphalt and wondered if over time it might buckle the pavement with root growth.

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