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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw questions.
« on: June 19, 2018, 05:57:10 PM »
Triloba Tracker,

I looked at the chill hour chart here:
http://fruitsandnuts.ucdavis.edu/Weather_Services/chilling_accumulation_models/Chill_Calculators/

My area (Kern County) has above 800. I'm more worried about the hot dry wind. I'll plant them in a sheltered area.

Thanks,


Gotcha!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw questions.
« on: June 19, 2018, 03:46:45 PM »
Thanks Triloba Tracker,
Much appreciated!

Sure thing! 2 cents, worth every bit of what you paid fer 'em.

I would say of course, one of your issues in Zone 10 may be chill hours. If memory serves, most sources say 400 hours minimum for pawpaw.
I'm not convinced the tree itself needs it, but for fruit it probably does.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw questions.
« on: June 19, 2018, 09:23:10 AM »
Awesome!

I wish I had direct experience to be able to give you better advice. However, all I can do is offer what i've read or heard:

1) I have heard of folks, specifically in California, growing pawpaws in pots. I think most rules around growing trees in pots would apply to pawpaws. Namely, you might want some kind of root-pruning setup, either air-pruning or using a coating like Microkote. Also, pawpaws have a strong taproot and in nurseries are most commonly grown in 14-inch deep pots (though some like Forest Keeling use air-pruning pots for a shallow taproot). Just something to be aware of. Hale and Hines nursery here in Tennessee sells really really big containerized pawpaws, and I believe theirs fruit with no problems. However, pawpaws are generally not mentioned in context of container growing.

2) I think you would be fine to plant 2 in a large hole. I have read references to this with pawpaws. In the wild, they grow in pretty dense patches.

3) I have been advised that mounds are not ideal for pawpaws, but who knows. As for clay, most sources say pawpaws like a looser soil with lots of organic matter (don't amend the planting hole of course). But that's probably just something that gets copied and pasted. I have some clay (not sure how it would rank on a clay "scale") and the trees i planted a few months ago seem ok. Of course, it's very early.

Not a lot of authoritative info there but maybe something to chew on. Good luck!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: June 18, 2018, 09:10:00 PM »
Infortunately all my small ruits falled. Too much cold and rain i think, but i was happy to see that my tree started to get polinated flowers.
Sorry, Luis!
Glad you’re finding the positives.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: June 18, 2018, 12:59:26 PM »
Great news, Luis!

So back to the wild crop updates...... despite the wacky and cold spring weather, looks like the wild crop will actually be pretty good this year.
Look at these gorgeous clusters!





I did 3 grafts in the wild this year and so far they're looking really good. Only 3 of my previous years' grafts have survived: PA Golden, Taytwo, and Wells. This year I grafted Mango, NC-1, and Rebecca's Gold.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Fig not really fruiting?
« on: June 18, 2018, 12:57:00 PM »
Many common figs produce two crops, the breba (or early crop) and the main crop. Brebas are produced on older wood while main crop figs are produced by new growth.  There are quite a few people whose figs die back each winter, but manage to produce a main crop.  I'm not sure if Celeste is one of the varieties that can do this up North.  Chicago Hardy is a variety that can often do this.

I'm in SoCal and my figs are just popping out main crop figs. You can check out the OurFigs forum for better information, it's filled with true experts, many who live in your neck of the woods.

Best of luck.

Thanks! I have joined OurFigs and posted the question there. Got some good responses.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Fig not really fruiting?
« on: June 13, 2018, 11:45:58 AM »
I bought and planted a 2-gallon Celeste (supposedly) fig last April. It grew fine, but it dropped the fruits that it formed when they were about marble-sized.
We had a pretty brutal winter and very cold April. I did cover the tree totally in leaves to try to protect it, but there was still some bark cracking due to the cold.

It has put on some new growth from last year's shoots, but mostly it has sent up several new shoots from the base. They're about 3-feet tall now. Tree looks very healthy.

however, there are no fruits forming on the new shoots from the base, and only a few from the new growth originating from last year's wood.

Is this typical?

Maybe the new basal shoots just need a few more weeks to form fruits, or....?

Help from y'all who are experienced would be greatly appreciated.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: June 09, 2018, 01:23:20 PM »
Triloba - I don't know the parentage. A local nursery obtained the fruit from a research orchard where all the trees were named varieties. There aren't many wild pawpaws in this area so I doubt any of them crossed with wild plants. The story I heard is that the orchard was multiple acres big so more than likely all the known named varieties were there.

I've tasted a lot of pawpaws and though there are differences, those differences are minor - at least to my palate. I can taste differences in fruit taken from the same branch of the same tree. I think how the fruit is harvested and handled after harvest impacts the flavor more than the variety.

Very interesting! Thanks for your input. I agree that most of the differences are subtle, but definitely from tasting wild fruit I can say there’s a difference between good and bad  ;D

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: June 09, 2018, 10:43:19 AM »
Wow, TJ those pics are awesome! Since you mentioned it, yeah I guess technically non-wild pawpaw discussion would be in the Asiminaholics Anonymous thread ;D

Sounds like I’m following your footsteps a bit by doing seedlings of named cultivars (plus some grafts).
What varieties were your “parents?”
How do the fruits compare to the parent in terms of flavors, texture, size, etc?
Oh, and how many years did they take to produce?
The conventional wisdom is seedlings  are inferior, but I tend to think that if you’re starting with named cultivars, especially if both parents are named varieties, then you’re probably going to end up with something pretty good.
It’s cool that one of your seedlings is so prolific.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: June 09, 2018, 09:31:01 AM »
My Maypop died over winter!  All of my Zone 7+8 plants were just fine, pretty disappointed.  If anyone has seeds this year from some decent fruit I'd love to buy them :)

Bummer!!! I should have more seeds than  you can shake a stick at. We’ll see.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: June 08, 2018, 02:56:48 PM »
The tendril-flowers have abscissed, which i kind of expected.
However, getting some other insteresting genetics out in my "vineyard"

This vine is throwing 5-lobed leaves:





I also have a brand new seedling with pure white flowers (a la "Alba" maypop available in some catalogs). Need to get a picture of that.
I wish I had ability to grow all my seeds out...just love the roulette of the genetics...


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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: May 29, 2018, 09:35:04 AM »
Thx for writing. I've read a lot about the Paw paw and I wish it would survive and fruit in zone 10.

Yep they're a fun fruit and just an interesting and pretty tree.

I have been super busy this spring and really haven't been out in the woods much. I've been tending my newly planted pawpaw orchard and doing grafts on potted trees, etc.

However, I managed to get out into the big wild patch yesterday...if you've never seen a big patch of wild pawpaws, it's quite a sight. Just something so fairy-land-ish about it. Gorgeous.

I was very happy to find that 3 of my cleft grafts from last spring have survived and have put on growth. I also planted probably 100 seeds in various spots in the woods. I've never planted seeds in the ground, so i'm very keen to see how this goes.
I also threw 2 new grafts out there - a Mango and NC-1. I've learned a good bit more about grafting and hope these will take.

There are definitely lots of "freeze-dried" flowers on the trees from all the late freezes this year, BUT i did see a few fruits about the size of grapes. So, perhaps not a total loss this year.

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Good luck with your incarnata seeds. I may have some next year (after stratification) that I could send you.
I think you would like incarnata fruits better than caerulea.
I will get some more pictures posted soon. Some of the tendril-flowers seem like they may actually mature and open.

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One of my seedling vines from last year is displaying some curious morphology this year as it has emerged.
The tendrils are sporting their own flower buds (or pseudo-flower buds).





Pretty wild! The earlier leaves are also massive - I would estimate 8 or more inches across. Not sure if all the leaves will end up this big.
Hasn't bloomed quite yet so will be interesting to see what happens.
The odd thing is that it did not display any of these features last year. It did flower and fruit.

Oh - I think I just remembered. Last year this vine DID have one oddity - several 5-lobed leaves. Standard is 3. So something wacky with the genetics of this fella.

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Regarding maypop vines -
There’s a whole thread here about them I’m pretty wild about them. Who couldn’t love a temperate passion fruit?!?
However, they definitely spread and I suppose you could say would be invasive. They will come up all over the place, and, I’m finding after a few years of having some, they may not “stay” where you plant them.
That is, it might not come up from the original planting site in the spring. It might choose somewhere else to “pop” up.
But I adore the fruits, the flowers are stunning and fragrant.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Bird tape?
« on: May 14, 2018, 03:28:13 PM »
The bags in the pic look breathable....i haven't pulled them up on amazon.
Others on the forum here turned me on to organza bags. I have ordered them from papermart.com. Definitely nothing big enuf for a watermelon :)

I have used them to "catch" passionfruits (maypops) I have never used them, however, to try to protect fruits from varmints. Not sure they'd do the trick or not.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting fig?
« on: May 14, 2018, 08:14:37 AM »
Celeste is a great fig. Somehow it doesnt seem to do all that well in the west coast, i.e. drops figs.

Improved Celeste is earlier and doesn't drop figs. It might be worth growing. But the earlier mentioned varieties are tastier IMO.
Not sure of its performance in other climes, but here on the upper Texas gulf coast I have never had a fig dropproblem with celeste. They hold and produce a delicious, closed eye fig around early to mid July.

Thanks! I'm a novice fig grower - would it be expected for a potted fig that's planted out in the spring to abort its fruit that first year?
What's done is done, but just curious.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Bird tape?
« on: May 08, 2018, 02:56:49 PM »
You can search the forum and probably find a lot. I have done similar research.
My take-away was that the "scare tape" is almost universally considered a waste of money.

About the only way to keep birds off is actual physical exclusion via netting or a cage.
short of that, I seemed to have some success making a scarecrow on a tall shepherd's hook - i moved it around at least once a day. I even scared myself sometimes out of the corner of my eye, thinking someone was stalking me! It seemed to work pretty well.
Cats might help :)

I have muscadines in their second year and i'm nervous about bird damage when they start fruiting. Not sure what I will do but i'm preparing loose ideas for possibly caging the whole trellis in.


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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting fig?
« on: May 08, 2018, 11:43:15 AM »
Celeste is a great fig. Somehow it doesnt seem to do all that well in the west coast, i.e. drops figs.

Improved Celeste is earlier and doesn't drop figs. It might be worth growing. But the earlier mentioned varieties are tastier IMO.

Good to know!
Yes, Celeste is recommended for Tennessee climate by our Ag folks, etc.
Speaking of dropped figs, that's interesting - i purchased a 3-gallon Celeste last spring, planted it, and it dropped all its fruit when they were about marble sized. I chalked it up to first year stress, but maybe it wasn't ....yikes. We'll have to see how it goes this year.

I had some cracking on the bark over the winter that I hope will not cause long term issues.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting fig?
« on: May 04, 2018, 12:17:23 PM »
I am growing over a 100 different varieties and have tasted around 50 total.  Zephian lives in an excellent climate for figs and can grow the absolute best ones without difficulty.

That said, VdB is a fantastic tasting variety. one of the very best.  It is also very easily available. Strawberry Verte is great too.

My top 10 list of relatively easily available and tasty figs for your climate in no particular order:

1. Black Madeira/Figo Preto
2. Smith
3. Italian 258
4. Genovese Nero (AF) not Rob's Genovese Nero
5. Strawberry Verte/ Adriatic JH/ Green Ischia
6. Desert King
7. Panache
8. Bourjassotte Grise
9. Grise de St Jean
10. Violette de Bourdeaux/Negronnne

 I am not impressed with Ronde de Bourdeaux, not tasty unless completely ripe. And it is a fig for cooler climates.

What is your opinion of Celeste?  I had a VdB and killed it overwintering it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian Causes a Scare
« on: April 30, 2018, 04:30:21 PM »
Student should be expelled for letting such a fine fruit go uneaten!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: April 29, 2018, 10:02:53 AM »
;D ;D ;D I don't want to jump too soon, but i think this time i will be lucky with my pawpaw! I already have 6 flowers that were polinated. They already loose the petals, mantain the green part in the middle of the flower and continue in the tree without falling. I'm very happy and praying to get pawpaws for the first time!  :P :P :P

Sounds awesome! Best wishes for success this time.

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mmm Maypop. As you may've seen from my thread, I'm really into these vines.
They are very cold-hardy so that shouldn't be your issue. However, i've found they do require full sun to flower and fruit well.
You also need at least 2 genetically-different vines for fruit set, most folks agree they are not self-fertile.
Otherwise they are basically a weed, hard to kill.

I have sent-off all my maypop seeds this year but next year perhaps I could send you some.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: April 23, 2018, 07:54:22 AM »
Oh I'm sorry! I don't know much about flowers dropping. It may be that they are still "practice-flowering" and just aren't ready yet to set fruit.
Or as you said it could be heat or dryness. Generally speaking pawpaws don't like to be dry....

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: April 22, 2018, 10:47:02 PM »
That’s awesome, Luis! Good luck getting some tasty fruits.
Well, my “orchard” is finally in the ground after a few years of planning and preparation.
I converted a scrubby area of my yard that was covered in privet and bush honeysuckle.
I cheated a bit and planted about 6 feet apart in 2 staggered rows. Maybe 8 feet between the rows. I just had to plant as many trees as possible.
Here are the trees:
Grafted:
KSU - Atwood (hidden springs nursery)
KSU - Benson (hidden spgs)
Lehman’s Chiffon (hidden spgs)
Maria’s Joy (England’s Nursery)
Shenandoah (England’s Nursery)
KSU 4-1 (Nolin River Nursery)
Susquehanna (Nolin River)
Seedling trees I grew:
Sunflower (3)
Susquehanna (4)
Wabash
KSU 4-25 “Pina Colada”
KSU 4-1
“Old Hickory” (wild selection)

The trees from Nolin River we’re by far the healthiest and most impressive of the grafted trees. Great value considering the size too. Would definitely buy from them again if I had more room.

I had originally planned to plant all seedlings (I have more in pots) but decided to go 50/50 grafted to ensure I have at least some exceptional fruit.
However, I am more excited about the seedlings and waiting to see what they do. All but the Old Hickory are open crosses of top cultivars so they should be pretty good, and possibly phenomenal.
The trees I didn’t plant will be used as rootstock - I’m trying to find room to plant around 6 more trees.
I also have seedlings just getting started from Lehman’s Delight, Al Horn, and Old Hickory. These were started as insurance against losses over the summer.

I put crude shade structures around all the seedlings but have left the grafted trees in full sun.
 So far everything looks pretty good except one seedling tree which seems a bit unhappy. Time will tell.

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