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Mine has been flowering for the past 2 to 3 years, would set fruit but would drop them at before getting to 3/4 inch. This last fall, I gave is a huge dose of slow release nitrogen, and now it's holding over a dozen fruits, some the size of a golf ball. It's been flowering pretty much consistently about once every 6 weeks or so. Can't wait to finally taste one.

Mangoes will perform adequately on pH of 8.2. That's where most of Homestead is at, and they seem to do well there.

That osmocote is a good deal. Back when I was growing trees for sale, that was my goto fert for the potted trees. The N is way too high for an in-ground mango, but could work for just about anything else. (BTW, pretty much all of the non-mango trees do far better with a good supply of N.)

Are you guys considering the nutritional value your rootstock plays?  I thought Turpentine was a great match for your calcareous soils?  pH of 7.5 aint too shabby.  Mine is 8.2.

tiger-90, sulfur pastules.  Weird but a bag of it is much cheaper than sulfur powder at local feed stores.

Heads up - A.M. Leo is having free shipping thru the 18th.  I just got a bag of this incredible food for $85 shipped!!!!!!!!!  I put the word out at several fruit groups so I don't know if they have any in stock.  Free shipping is pretty nice.

Osmocote 19-5-8 Slow Release Fertilizer, 9 mo., 50#, $85 shipped.  What a steal!

I know, too much N for some of you.   :D I'm a N freak based on my soil analysis.  I'm also in the camp that young mango trees need such a high N food which also increase micros.   

Lots to choose from -

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango broken branch wound
« on: February 16, 2019, 02:45:51 PM »
The point of breakage looks OK. But what's that fissure off to the top left? Sorta looks bacterial.

Yah, my ST seem to tend towards alternate year bearing. Last year, one of my trees set so much fruit that two large branches snapped off, wiping out a good 100 or so mangoes. The other problem with such huge crops is that the mangoes are mostly small. This year it has a sparse bloom.

My other ST, though, seems to set smallish crops every year (it's in the very rich / high organic profile, while the other is in deep west palm beach county sand).

Overall, I'm really happy with this year's flowering (and so far with the fruit set as well). Would say I'm in the 75%+ bloom category as well.

pH improved a decent bit. It's a logarithmic scale, so it's actually fairly substantial.

Here is 2019's results. Not much improvement. I was pretty busy with work so I was not able to push things according to plan.

Here is the Yearly comparison

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anthracnose on mango flowers
« on: February 14, 2019, 07:02:46 PM »
Hmm. I do see what looks to be some PM, but hard to tell. Not 100% sure if there's something else going on. Lack of fruit set can also be from exposure to cold or lack of nutrients.

Today I see a lot of the flowers have fallen off but they were swollen black like double the size of the normal flower when open.


I am in Hollywood, and was worried until past few days, everything has expoloded. Biggest blooms ever. Pickering, Fairchild, PPK, CC, and Honey kiss all in bloom. The cold may have helped but I also hit them for first time with Hars love powder late fall.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anthracnose on mango flowers
« on: February 14, 2019, 10:16:13 AM »
It might not be anthracnose. Maybe post pictures when you get a chance. Powdery mildew is generally what we see this time of year, and copper isn't all that effective against it. Lemon zest is particularly susceptible to PM.

Please bring the video back! That was an ultra unique planting.

Who poured the concrete?

The external edges are poured concrete 6 inches high and wide. The internal circles are plastic and are sold at Home Depot. They serve a few purposes. First is to keep the gardeners edger from hitting the trunk and 2nd is to keep the grass from growing up to the tree. The internal circle is so that when I fertilize whether I use liquid or granules the product stays where it痴 supposed to stay. Each plastic piece is about 15 inches and the fit together with other same pieces so you can make any size circle. Each piece is only $1.59.

Holy cow that's a lot of trees. Curious to see how that looks in 5 years. Looks like mango trees in your area are slow growers.

Where do you get your tree edgers? Are those custom?

Squam256 also sells scions in late summer:

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon Zest mango tree
« on: February 13, 2019, 01:03:52 PM »
Bummer about LZ not being grafted anymore. Of the LZ, OS, PPK trio, LZ is my favorite. It's bigger and better tasting than PPK.

Don't worry. As soon as the property changes hands, the owner will cut everything down. That's typically how it works.

I値l make a nice video tomorrow or Thursday and put it on YouTube with the link right here.
I hope you enjoy it. There are many discussions that can come from viewing this project. Eg. In 25-30
years many trunks will be in contact what then?
What if you get too old to do the necessary work?
What will it all look like 30 years from now if you stop caring for the project
in 5 years? Etc etc etc.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where should I prune this mango?
« on: February 12, 2019, 07:10:40 PM »
OK. Cogshall has a natural tendency towards dense branching. I would probably just let it do its thing.

Yes, Cogshall.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where should I prune this mango?
« on: February 12, 2019, 05:58:14 PM »
Is that a cogshall? I'm not entirely sure I'd prune it quite yet.

What's the cultivar of the ilama? Is that genova red?

A nice area with a home owner's association -- that's probably going to be your biggest obstacle. At 15 foot spacing, the grass starts to die off once the canopies begin to touch. And for whatever reason, net worth and aversion to foliage tend to have a positive correlation. So what out for complainer neighbors. Good luck :-).

But there is also a house, pool, driveway on that lot.

I'm in a similar situation, about 6/10 of an but with a smallish house, a tiny driveway, and no pool. I am just barely able to cram in somewhere around 80 to 90 trees, pruning each tree at least once every 2 years. And trust me, pruning that many trees is a LOT of work -- even with a semi-commerclal wood chipper.

If you're OK kissing most of your summer* weekends goodbye once the trees get mature, then you can pull off probably 70 trees over the long term?

(*summer in South Florida is the season alternates with "not-summer" and lasts 6 - 7 months)

My phone tells me 21,780 sqft in 0.5 acres.
8 ft spacing would work

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Would you accept a tree in this condition?
« on: February 10, 2019, 10:56:38 PM »
It's probably fine -- but dang, the grafter really struggled with that one. Looks like the first 2 grafts failed; then they gave up and went with an approach graft for #3.

Planting 100+ trees is a tiny fraction of the effort that it takes to maintain them :-). Pruning, fertilization, pest control, weed control, etc for the next few decades is a monster time suck as the trees mature -- for us Floridians at least.

Maybe it would be better if I just saved the money and use it for psychiatric help!!??

Maybe start with 10 trees and see how it goes.  Putting in 100+ trees takes a lot of effort.


80 or so trees would be doable, depending on the lot. 250 would look cute for the first couple of years, then turn into a nightmare (isn't that like 5 or 6 foot spacing??).

Or maybe I just happened to get a few degrees colder than you? I am a few miles north.

0-0-50 would lack some vital nutrients. I think 0-0-50 might be well suited to Redlands soil, but not necessarily to the rest of Florida. Nutrient balance is probably more important than raw quantity.

Yah, that is strange. For what it's worth, I did give my trees a heavy fertilization with Har's magic 0-3-16 in late fall.
That could be the mystery potion I'm missing, although I did hit the trees with 0-0-50 in October.  Ah, sweet mystery of life. . .

Yah, that is strange. For what it's worth, I did give my trees a heavy fertilization with Har's magic 0-3-16 in late fall.

. . .
This is looking to be a great mango year for my area at least.
Interesting, Jeff, because I'm only a few miles south of you in Plantation and my trees are deep in REM sleep at the moment.

Yah, mango bloom here is all about cold. You can juice the trees up bio-whatever, but if the climatic factors are not on target, you're not getting mangoes. The subtropical growing region seems to be shifting north at a reasonably rapid pace.

That last cold snap was enough to kick my mangoes into high gear. Nearly everything is going into 50% or greater bloom; lots with what appear to be a full bloom.

Even my two lychees are putting on the flowers. Fortunately, they were in a growth spurt

This is looking to be a great mango year for my area at least.

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