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If anyone knows any sources for bulk mango seeds let me know. I've reached out to several sellers here with no luck as well.  :-[

The commercial Keitt orchards here have literally tons of culls but somehow I don't think they are jumping at the chance to help potential competition lol.

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Why not try a juice company that has mango juice on its list...... They would have seeds available..... Mike


I have tried that(and actually so have they). The juice bar "Mangos" will give you hundreds a day. The problem is almost none of them germinate and the ones that do seem very weak. Plus he wants Florida "turpentine" for some reason

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We have a transportation company and one of our clients who manages a nursery specializing in citrus asked me where he could get up to 10,000 turpentine seeds from Florida, and what ballpark cost he was looking at. I mentioned to him I thought manilla mango seeds work better in California and to call LaVerne nursery to see if they might be feeling friendly and point in him in the right direction but he seems to want "turpentine" mango seeds from Florida for some reason.

Anyone know where to get that sort of thing in bin/pallet quantities?  ;D

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Is it a patented variety? Seems like the creator doesn't want it to get out there. The grapes are grown here in SoCal.

I asked a guy that works with some of the vineyards in Bakersfield to bring me some cuttings. He told me that all commercially grown grape varieties are patented. He said he would bring me a few but not Cotton Candy or some variety called "Mango". He said they were EXTREMELY protective of those varieties and could get in trouble. Told him it was ok, if they were patented I didn't want any, as I didn't want him, or myself for that matter, to have any problems.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: September 08, 2018, 09:10:07 PM »
Is it jst me?
Its very hot outside


It's not you


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Melon from southern mexico ID
« on: September 04, 2018, 11:13:46 AM »

Looks like a bitter melon, although most I've seen are more elongated. If so, it's from India, not Mexico. I know an Indian rancher who grows it commercially on a small scale.

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Kind of looks like maha now. The leaves are off though. Is there a graft union/line on the trees that you can see?

Yeah. My single maha hasn't produced much fruit but it looks pretty much exactly like his 1st and 2nd pic in the latest post. But you are right about the leaves. They seem a little short and spadelike with frilled edges. My maha has long leaves with straight edges. Nutrition deficiency?

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Cassava (yuca root), castor bean, tree spinach, bamboo, elephant ear (taro root). Are all edible, tree-like herbaceous plants. Thereís also tree collard. None of these are fruiting, but they are edible.

Castor bean plants are edible? I thought the entire plant possessed at least some level of toxicity to humans. The insects appear to love them so maybe I'm wrong on this

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wanted: M-4 mango scions
« on: August 26, 2018, 01:10:20 PM »
I know this isn't the discussion forum but are the M-4 trees hardier than Coconut Cream? That's why I'd like to see if the M-4 will do better in our extreme climate. My STs and LZs do pretty good out here but the CC seems like it is affected by the climate the most, doesn't like the heat or the cold. Plus it grows all crazy, and doesn't stay uniform no matter how I trim it. Did produce 2 delicious fruits last year though (didn't let it hold fruit this year).

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wanted: M-4 mango scions
« on: August 26, 2018, 01:04:00 AM »
Check with Tropical Acres aka Squam256 or forum member dongeorgio.

Already asked dongeorgio, it was a no go. I'll try Squam.

Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wanted: M-4 mango scions
« on: August 25, 2018, 02:11:36 PM »
Anyone have any for sale or know where I can buy some?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: August 04, 2018, 03:28:10 PM »
This heat has become tiresome. 116 today. Doesn't get below 110 until Monday 8/13. I don't remember it ever being this hot for so long. Can't wait for the typical 104-108 deg days.

Most of the trees are holding up surprisingly well though

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana tree fruiting
« on: July 27, 2018, 12:58:07 PM »
Anyone ever eat the stalk heart? Last time I cut one down and was turning it into mulch, it looked edible. But by then it was all chopped up and dirty. I told myself the next stalk I chop down, that I will save the heart (or whatever it's technically called).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 26, 2018, 07:34:42 PM »
One thing to consider in a heatwave is how you water. If you have your orchard set up on a drip system, it may be better to hand water to saturate the entire root zone including the mulch layer. By saturating the entire root zone, you will provide water to all the feeder roots and also increase the humidity around the tree. Iíve found that this type of watering prior to extreme heat prevents some sunburn that may have otherwise occurred. This is especially noticeable on Cherimoya and Lychees.

I normally water my plants with my drip system but prior to a heatwave, I will handwater deeply.

Simon


I don't have lychees and all my anonnas have stayed the same height (1-4') for the last 3 years because of our extreme temps, but I have noticed the same thing. I try and hose water deeply at least every other day during heatwaves and it definitely makes a difference regarding sunburn. Without lots of water, the leaves get droopy, and the sun cooks them off in short order when they are in that state. In years past I just increased the amount of irrigation time when it was hot, but with much less satisfactory results vs hose watering.

Thankfully temps return back to normal after this weekend.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 25, 2018, 10:25:26 PM »

This heat wave is much worse for me. The last one only lasted a day and most trees recovered fine, then put on new growth like crazy. We are on day 3, and the passion fruit which did fine last heat wave is all torn up, all the young annonas are in bad shape, bananas of course beat up. All new growth on my big Lemon Zest looks like crap. The tree that got hit the worst is my Alano sapodilla, which wasn't affected seriously last heat wave, this time I partially covered it and it still got toasted. The Hasyas and my Morena still look good but it probably doesn't make a difference, I will probably never get fruit from any of the sapodillas.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 24, 2018, 11:23:41 AM »
Frank, there are pockets that get much hotter like Corona. it holds heat and cold much more than open areas. I hit 111 today, I am sure it could be repeat of July 6th in my area. I checked 3 other weather stations in my area and they were all within 1 degree +/- of my sensors.

Luckily, im back to water my plants unlike july 6 i was out of the country when my sensor ticked 122f - avocados burnt & lychee maybe dead.




 I prepped my plants earlier with foliar seaweed & humic acid. So far so good on new growths after hitting 115.5f earlier.

I can imagine hitting 125f on wednesday.  :o

125? Where are you? In Inyo County near Death Valley? Reports are that their high will be 126 with a LOW of 104. Wow.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 23, 2018, 07:10:44 PM »
Every time I check accuweather it keeps getting hotter :'(


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 23, 2018, 06:56:13 PM »
Hit 106 already and it's only 1 pm. New growth will get fried.
A lot of the new growth on big LZ is looking bad and it's only day one of the 4 day heatwave. I might as well pull over the shade cloth or it will all get fried by Thursday. Guavas doing OK so far. Sapodillas all look rough, bananas too but I I can't do anything for them.

Plus it seems there's a fire every other day within sight for the last month or so.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 23, 2018, 12:43:28 PM »
I think this heat wave will be worse for us at least. It might be a degree or 2 under the peak of the heatwave 2 weeks ago, but the extreme heat will last much longer.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 23, 2018, 03:43:41 AM »
Here we go again.

Today 118
Tues 118
Wed 120

I think it only got to 118 once last summer. That will be 5 days 118 or over before the end of July. Sigh.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 19, 2018, 09:04:08 PM »
So 2 weeks after the heatwave here's what some of my plants look like(well since it's been 103-114 every day since, pretty much every day is a heatwave here lol).

Banana chose to flower at wrong time. All the bottom fruitlets turned black shriveled up and died. Damage to top of plants too.





Pink guava fruits yellowed on top. Not too much with white guavas.



Haysa Sapodilla which had dangling leaves during day seemed to recover fine.



Newly grafted LZ, Coco Cream, and Sweet tart mangoes under full tree canopy protection are doing fine.





Small sweet tart under full tree canopy protection with new growth. Although the ants seem to love sweet tart above all else and mess up the new growth a little.



Unprotected 4 year old LZ with lots of new growth after heat wave and still holding its lone fruit





Young coco cream somewhat damaged to leaves that stuck out of shade protection.



Finger lime significantly yellowed by sun. Still held on to fruits though



Guamuchiles I have planted for future canopy protection absolutely bursting with new light green growth.



Baby jackfruit and mamey sapote planted next to banana with partial canopy protection did just fine (but will probably die this winter).



Best of all. My little Cotton Candy mango in container I bought from TT, which had done nothing in the 2 months since I received it in the mail, finally started to put on growth after the heat wave.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 19, 2018, 01:49:18 AM »
My Lemon Zest seemed to love the heat wave. And we are the 2nd hottest area in the nation next to Death Valley. The town I live in is literally called "Thermal". My LZ was only holding on to one fruit but looks like it will keep it til maturity. Picture is taken a top a step ladder about 10 days after heat wave. It burst out with growth right after it hit at least 122 degrees.



Waterfowler: with no damages at 122F, I wonder if it was high humidity at yours? My area was 115F but dry and all of my mangoes had burned leaves and fruits. Just a month ago I said the LZ that Simon gave me the cuttings finally held about 5 larger fruits -- about 2 to 3" long -- and I thought I would have LZ to eat this year, but the heat dropped them all; even Glenn couldn't hold any fruits. I think if I had covered the trees with bed sheets then perhaps some fruits could survive.

We've had terrible humidity the last few days but during the heatwave it was very dry I believe. You can see the shade cloth right behind the tree which I've used in years past and up to this spring but I did not use it this time. It seems like the cloth just damages the new tender growth. Like DesertDreamer said above, I deep water my trees with a hose, not 3 or 4 times during spring, but every Sunday once temp start climbing above 110 degrees and stay there. Ranging from a couple of minutes to 20 minutes depending on the size of the tree. Also like DesertDreamer suggested I use accompanying trees/plants next to a lot of my subtropicals to protect them. Namely moringa and castor bean plants. You can see in the photo from my previous post a castor bean leaf off to the right. Their leaves are literally cold to the touch during the heat. Seems like young trees thrive around them.

The LZ and the "manilla" trees at my renter's house are the only mangoes of mine that see full sun most of the day. The other ones are still young and are semi protected underneath shade cloth or underneath larger trees/plants. My Coconut Cream and a CC seedling seems like they fared the worst under the heat wave but nothing major. It was brutal though. When I saw numerous guavas, which are normally tough as nails, with dangling limp leaves it concerned me greatly.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 18, 2018, 04:49:20 PM »


My manilla in the ground with no protection got roasted too.... But not much worse than the others

The HD/LA Verne "manilla" mangos seems really tough up against the heat. I have 2 at my renters home, and they accidentally shut off the water while trying to adjust the irrigation timer during the summer last year. Trees had no water for almost 2 weeks during our typical 110 deg days. Killed a 7 foot Morena Sapodilla, an avocado, and a guava. The 2 manilla mangoes survived, and they are full sun all day long, no shade. This year they are holding onto 40+ fruits ea even though they are probably 8 feet tall max


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 18, 2018, 02:11:13 AM »
My Lemon Zest seemed to love the heat wave. And we are the 2nd hottest area in the nation next to Death Valley. The town I live in is literally called "Thermal". My LZ was only holding on to one fruit but looks like it will keep it til maturity. Picture is taken a top a step ladder about 10 days after heat wave. It burst out with growth right after it hit at least 122 degrees.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangosteen at 99 Ranch Market
« on: July 14, 2018, 12:53:38 PM »
There's a place we deliver to in the LA Produce Market area. I had one of our drivers pick up 15# for $78 a month ago. They were from Thailand though. I didn't need that much, wish I had known about this deal.

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