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Citrus General Discussion / Re: AU Blood lime
« on: June 16, 2018, 07:05:51 AM »
Last year, I was able to try some blood limes. While the flesh and juice were very sour but otherwise good, the zest had a very particular, strange smell/taste. I cannot really describe it as I don't know anything similar.. but it wasn't pleasant.

Have you read the manual that he sells on his website? I really do wonder why this method isn't used more if it is as easy and cheap as he claims..

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrumelo seedlings
« on: June 13, 2018, 03:02:05 AM »
Yes, that's why I thought something was odd here. Two seedlings are exclusively monofoliate so far. But I know that appearance can still change considerably.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrumelo seedlings
« on: June 12, 2018, 01:52:50 PM »
Yeah well, until they are larger I will consider them as ordinary citrumelos.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Citrumelo seedlings
« on: June 12, 2018, 04:24:22 AM »
These are some seedlings from fruits of "Sacaton" citrumelo that I picked at Eisenhut's.
I think they look rather odd. Some are completely monofoliate, with winged petiole, others are mono-, bi-, and trifoliate.

In fact, there is only one seedling that looks like a normal citrumelo to me:

There is a large Yuzu nearby. Could these be Citrumelo x Yuzu? Or is it too early to tell?

Mine has no spines.

Mikkel, yes it is only flowering now. Usually, it is about month earlier – no idea what's wrong.

Mikkel, yes it is only flowering now. Usually it is about month earlier.

Ilya, can you tell from these pictures which one mine is?

In IVIA's description of 235 it says that new growth is only lightly purple whereas mine is intensely purple. Am I correct in assuming mine is 358?

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
« on: May 30, 2018, 11:20:38 AM »
Hamlin x FD from Andreas Voss is a seedling of this hybrid. He got seeds from Riverside.

I've just received a response from Andreas. Last year, his plant flowered for the first time. Unfortunately, there are no flowers this year. Fruit quality will remain a mystery for at least another year.

However, he said it is extremely coldhardy and unscathed after -12C. (10.4-F). I guess that is quite promising even if the fruit should not turn out to be the best tasting. A small step into the right direction..?

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
« on: May 27, 2018, 06:23:14 AM »
How thick are the leaves? 

University of Florida created a tetraploid plant by combining protoplasts of Hamlin and Flying Dragon.

I can't really tell how thick the leaves are since they have not yet hardened fully.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
« on: May 26, 2018, 02:18:51 PM »
A few days ago, I emailed Andi Voss but haven't got a reply yet. I am curious whether his plant has flowered and how hardy it is up there compared to your place, Ilya.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
« on: May 26, 2018, 08:01:09 AM »
At least it is quite hardy, that's a good start:-).
Do you know where the original cross came from?

Cold Hardy Citrus / Hamlin x Flying Dragon
« on: May 25, 2018, 03:21:13 PM »
I have recently received budwood of this cross and grafted it on Poncirus. This is actually only my second succesful graft.
However, I can find very little information on it and would be grateful if anyone could share what they know.


I do have a Jubaea in fact! But they are borderline hardy here and need protection in colder winters.  Mine spear-pulled after the winter 16/17 and is still recovering.

Here, what is dangerous aren't the absolute lows, which have never been lower than -16C in the last 20 years and usually no lower than -10/-12C, but permanent frost. Long freezes tend to be lethal at much milder temps. USDA zones are not transferable 1:1. If they were, I could grow Butia odorata without protection but I can't.

Florian, I bet you can grow and fruit different varieties of rowan ( European mountain ash), or sorbus aucuparia. I make jelly out of mine. They may even grow wild where you live. I'm growing the Native American rowan and a Chinese pink-fruited variety, and a white fruit variety. I'm sure you already know rowan is the ultimate fruit tree for cold long winters and short cool summers.

Lol, rowan (known here as reyniber) is an Icelandic native; for example, one of our more popular southern beaches is Reynisfjara, aka Rowan Beach. They can definitely handle continental Europe!  ;)  I made a jelly from it once (freezing and a long cooking as I found instructions for online), and found it... a bit of odd.  It tasted like something you might serve with meat, more than something you'd spread on bread. Yes, sweet and with fruit tastes, but also something else that I couldn't put my finger on.

Then again, I'm not really a jelly person to begin with, and the need to process the berries to remove toxic parasorbic acid was sort of a turn-off to me. I understand that some varieties have actually been bred for consumption, so maybe they're better.  On the upside, rowans sure are pretty trees, esp. in the winter.

When one asks about the most exotic fruit, are we talking taste or appearance, and by "exotic", do we mean "tropical" or "unusual"?  Lardizabalaceae has some weird looking temperate edible species, for example - often strongly lilac-coloured fruits that open themselves up when ripe, revealing their mucilaginous white interiors.  Sweetness is often quite high, but acidity is usually low.  A really remarkable Lardizabalaceae species is the monotypic Boquila trifoliata ("Chameleon Vine") which has the so-far scientifically unexplained ability to mimic the leaves of whatever plant it grows on (even fake plants), in colour, size and shape. It's so good at what it does that its ability went undiscovered until relatively recently (scientists had just assumed that the species was incredibly variable, not noticing that it always matched to its host and would change leaf styles as it grew between plants).  The berries are reportedly edible but I haven't found anyone who's actually eaten them.  Supposed to be tolerant to 7b.

I did not specify what I meant by exotic on purpose to get more suggestions. But what I really meant was 'unusual' but also genera that usually grow in the (sub) tropics but have members growing in temperate areas like maypop or pawpaw. Things that people don't grow here although they could because they associate them with much warmer environments.

It is certainly very hardy when fully resting.
The problem is that its threshold temperature for vegetation start is less than that for poncirus and its hybrids.
In climates with large  winter temperature variations it is damaged even before citranges.

And at what temperature is that threshold more or less? But I don't think that will be much of a problem here.

It's been very late this year, flowers are only appearing now and it barely put on any growth. That's why I thought it would be better off in the ground.

Let's hope it is as hardy as they say.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting trees/shrubs for zone 6a
« on: May 13, 2018, 01:14:29 PM »
There are cultivars of goji that are sweet(ish) when fresh.

Citradia, rowan is indeed native here but I think that is the case for most of Europe. Haven't really thought about varieties here, Chinese pink-fruited sounds interesting, thanks!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting fig?
« on: April 30, 2018, 03:20:49 AM »
I hear Ronde de Bordeaux is excellent too.

As a matter of fact, I think I am just beginning to see some maypop shoots emerging from the ground which would make sense since it is almost May:-). But I can't really tell yet if it really is maypop.
Either way, I would love to have some of your seeds next year!

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citsuma Prague
« on: April 27, 2018, 03:10:31 AM »
Here's hoping mine will make fully functional flowers this year. It is not yet flowering but there are a few buds.

Jelly palms are nowhere near hardy here and would not ripen in time. Our winters are too long and wet. The only palms that stand a chance unprotected are Trachycarpus fortunei and princeps ( borderline) and Sabal minor, maybe Rhapidophyllum but they keep dying here for some reason. Anyway, none of these are edible.

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