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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Today’s Harvest from the orchard
« on: October 19, 2018, 09:11:22 PM »
You are not going to be happy but wonderful is a really sub par pomagranite.  I have one of them.  The seeds are big and hard and leave you with a mouth of seed.  Im going to yank mine and put in a new one.  Ive got a couple other types that are keepers. 

I got my plants as little starter sleves for 20$ from the local nursery.  They were dave wilson starter plants.
Wonderful is what we are used to out here. It's a normal backyard plant out here. I can only find two types at our local nursery - Wonderful and sweet. Dave wilson website lists those two varieties at my local nursery though (Local being 45 minutes out, my town has nothing) Ill check this spring they look 'wonderful'

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Today’s Harvest from the orchard
« on: October 19, 2018, 05:03:52 PM »
Very nice harvest, great job guys!
I've not seen those varieties of pomegranates before. I have a 'wonderful' I purchased this year with a small fruit hanging on it, but I've always found them only OK. Do you purchase those varieties locally or are they grown from seeds or cutting? Pomegranates seem to grow very quickly with little care here and I want to add at least one more to my collection.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: October 18, 2018, 05:49:29 PM »
I was on a trip this past weekend in the Pacific Northwest (CA), and I ran into an Avocado tree in front of a local bakery in the heart of the Ocean peninsula town of Mendocino, CA.  I'm always happy to see random Avocado trees in public.  Here're a couple pics.

Oh, I think I may have seen this tree before! My wife and I go out to fort bragg and the botanical gardens frequently and have stopped and toured that area a couple of times.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw inquiry
« on: October 18, 2018, 05:44:46 PM »
I have Atemoya, and sugar apples already in the works. Cherimoya next year. I think I would want to grow PawPaw 'just because' It would be a nice comparison if I got them all fruiting.
There are definitely some die hard pawpaw fanatics out there but I've had multiple people now tell me Cherimoya > rest.

If I had room I would grow anything and everything I could get my hands on... :)

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw inquiry
« on: October 18, 2018, 03:57:08 PM »
Awesome. I think I will try a couple and see how they do. Chilling hours are readily available for <45 in my area but I don't see anywhere listing sub 40.
My area gets anywhere from 400 at the lowest to 800-1000 chill hours average a year and summers can hit 115.

Thanks for the input, I may reach out to you again in spring. I have several species planned already and this one may get cut to make room for cherimoya or something else.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Pawpaw inquiry
« on: October 17, 2018, 03:46:37 PM »
Hello! I've seen a lot of talk in this forum about Pawpaws and I've been interested in them for several months now.
I have a couple questions about them though,

1) Will they grow well in my area? I am in zone 9b. Locally we grow alot of stone fruits in my area so chill hours should be ok?
2) What are some good varieties to grow? I've seen discussion about some tasting like mangos, others like banana, etc. I personally prefer banana, but the wife loves mangos.
3) Can they be maintained in a pot?
4) Sourcing: would anyone have seeds come late winter/early spring to try? I'm at my limit for what I can germinate and keep warm for the winter here.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: GEM avocado in Los Angeles area?
« on: October 17, 2018, 03:14:33 PM »
To my knowledge it's under patent to University of California since early 2000's. I remember looking back in to this earlier this year. I'll see if I can find the patent information again.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What does a pawpaw taste like?
« on: October 17, 2018, 09:58:18 AM »
Send me some I'll plant it for you :) sounds like it would love my area. Haha

They're loving this humid weather! Still no yellows....

I ripped out a bunch of my tomatoes that I failed to stake up in time and were taking over the garden and found 3 rats nests! Haha! Be gone suckers!
too bad they were all empty... I may have already got the inhabitants... :P

I currently have one of the tomcat rat snap traps ( and it works great with peanut butter 8/10 times. occasionally a rat will get its front legs stuck and I find my trap moved with a live rat in the morning. I let my cat in my garden a couple of weeks ago and he found a nest under some pumpkins and had a fun time.

was that a squirrelnator? those are too pricey for a cheap guy like me.

The darn things love my bay tree now too. saw 4 of them in it last night :/
Time for some mass 'removal' anyone have tips for catching large quantities fast? live or dead... I don't really care just fastest removal method besides poison.

My citrus trees are not affected. Rats and squirrels seem to prefer my persimmon trees, zucchinis and tomatoes. also any melon... I haven't had luck this season with anything but pumpkins and peppers thanks to the rats in my area. (I live near the river and tree orchards)

I'm having better luck putting them outside. I had some on a heatmat inside but nothing happened. My day time temps are still 90-95 in the valley (ugh) if my night time temps drop more though I may put a heating mat on my outside table and see how they do. I plan on bringing plants in and placing them by my sliding glass door once night time temps drop in the 40's.

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Best cure for Powdery mildew?
« on: September 20, 2018, 11:46:31 AM »
My pumpkins and goji berries recently got some pretty heavy powdery mildew, what are your experiences with remedies?
Should I use a fungicide? Baking soda/oil/soap? Neem oil?

Please share! Thanks!

Yes, slow at first. Once they grow a few real leaves they will grow faster.
Awesome, thanks.

Are these super slow growers when they're freshly germinated or am I just having more issues?
I've had only a dozen or so germinate, and that was about a week ago. They're not any larger than when I first noticed them in my pots.

Mine are east facing. I plan to move them to my side yard soon as it's cooling off now. the 110+ weather cooked everything in my yard. I painted the trunk on the hass because sunburn was becoming an issue for me. Remember that my holiday/stewart are new additions and not from my original few earlier this year... once they go permanently in the ground they will be in the easternmost part of my property but that corner gets almost full sun all day.

Took some pictures real fast. My trees are a bit droopy... It's pretty hot in the back yard right now.

This is the Hass I got in SoCal in march. Came back from pretty bad root rot.

Biggest leaf on the Hass

Holiday already recovering from dropped foliage and bad root rot from home depot

Stewart from home depot

Late yesterday, I pulled the one remaining dead Avocado from my Spring plantings.  Five of nine died in all, however at least three of the five were already dead going in (hailstorm survivors, and rotting root systems) from the outset.  I haven't yet replaced the others, but this replacement is a Stewart.  It fills out the five tree slots I still have growing on the side of my yard.  None are thriving now, but all are alive.  It will be interesting to see how well I can protect them going into the colder seasons.

Something I always puzzle over is the water habits at the nursery.  The general conclusion for why my trees did so poorly early on was that the soil medium was too absorbent and that the trees had wet feet.  So the old leaves would turn brown and drop.  A lot of new leaves seemed to fizzle up and dry before they even got started.  I'm still not 100% convinced it was for over-watering with my once a month one or two gallons watering regime early on.  But to the original point, whenever I stop by and check these trees at the nursery, they are soaking wet in their 5G pots.  I think they water twice a day, morning and evening.  They are grown in a kind of redwood chip heavy soil, that seems to get really wet.  Low perlite/vermiculite content.  I'm wondering how they can water the trees this way and not have problems, whereas I am barely watering them at my house and the assumption is over-watering.  It could be the limited light these trees get on the side of the house is in part to blame, however of the five trees that fizzled, four were in full or nearly full sun.  Only one of the five on the side of the house died.

Here are some pics of the new Stewart.  It's the best of about six available at the Roseville, CA Green Acres Nursery.  They're all Four Winds Growers stock.  Kind of expensive at ~$38 a tree.

At home depot here in town they definitely water it daily. I think you don't see issues because the nurseries out here have such a small inventory they cycle through it pretty fast - before the root rot starts too show.
I have removed all mulch from my trees so they can dry out a bit more.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wildlife in your fruit trees ?
« on: September 16, 2018, 01:48:12 AM »
Interesting animals! All I get are spiders in my citrus (orb weavers) bats squirrels and rats. :( at least I don't have to deal with venemous snakes.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Advise me citrus masters!
« on: September 14, 2018, 10:16:49 PM »
I'm going to leave it for the season. I am getting new growth but barely. The weathers been nice and it's tricking alot of my plants right now...
The trees are established to a good size where no new growth would be quite fine with me, though. I will probably do some cleanup on the lemon tree as theres alot of crossing branches that make picking fruit hard. I believe it's on a dwarf rootstalk as the canopy is only 2-3 ft up.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Advise me citrus masters!
« on: September 14, 2018, 08:32:35 PM »
The trees were already established when I first saw them 6 years ago (I haven't asked but im sure they're 10+ years old)
Thanks for the input guys.

The replacement trees are only a couple of weeks old now. Not much to show.
Holiday wasn't in the best shape and a branch has dropped it's leaves already but hasn't withered up.
I think it will make a recovery but we will see.
The stewart seems alot more forgiving and the Hass has come back from a pretty bad root rot issue. I'll send some pictures in a couple weeks.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Advise me citrus masters!
« on: September 14, 2018, 10:35:28 AM »
Although the leaves are damaged, they still have quite a bit of green areas remaining. Do not prune off leaves damaged by citrus leafminer since undamaged areas of leaves continue to produce food for the tree.    Next year apply Spinosad (you can find information concerning Spinosad on the Internet) it will protect the tree from  leaf miner damage. The wrote two years ago the tree had a lesser amount damage, this year it had much more damage, next year it could have even for damage.
When would be a good time to spray spinosad? It kills benificial insects too so I don't want to spray when blooming...the bees are all over my trees.

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