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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon zest on CA rootstocks
« on: August 06, 2018, 10:59:59 PM »
When planting these trees, plant in a square shaped hole, not round. Loosen the soil to the same depth as the pot, you can loosen the soil deeper but the plant will settle more and may sink a bit over the years if you donít compensate by planting higher.

If you have good to decent soil, there is no need to amend the soil, backfill with 100% native soil. If you want to give it a little extra love, you can add some organic tropical Fruit tree fertilizer and some beneficial soil microbes/mycorrhizal fungi. I also like to give my trees frequent dilute feedings of kelp emulsion during the establishment period.

You can top dress with a good compost and definitely mulch the tree with at least 3-4 inches of mulch. Mulch decomposes fast and needs to be replenished every 3-6 months.

If your soil is heavy clay, you should plant on a small to medium mound to allow for adequate drainage. Many new Mango growers make the mistake of adding too much organic amendments to the soil but this is a big mistake because the organic matter holds too much water and it will decompose so your tree will sink after a few years.

Think about it this way, if you add 30% organic amendments to your planting hole, the tree will likely sink by approximately 30% when that organic matter decomposes. In real life, the tree wonít sink exactly that much because the roots will grow out and anchor it a bit but it will sink a lot and can be extremely detrimental to your trees health.

I have heavy clay soil at my place and I plant on small mounds and backfill with about 50% native soil, 40% Pumice and about ten percent organic matter to get the tree going. To compensate for the loosening of the soil and for the incorporated organic matter, I plant my tree about 10% higher. Itís already on a mound but remember that the soil will settle.

For more detailed information, see this thread.

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=23124.0

Some of my suggestions may have changed over the years as new information comes in. I have to go through the entire thread to make sure I have updated with the latest techniques that work best for growers in SoCal.
Simon


This couldn't come at better time for me, I am glad you revived some of the old posts. I see you are also from SD, I have zero experience with Mangoes, in fact I just got few seeds of Nam Doc Mai germinated and I could not be happier with how healthy they look. What is your experience with this variety? my guess it will probably be happy until winter although where I live typically does not drop below 40F in winter.

 CA rootstock sounds like the way froward, I was wondering if anyone have suggestions on what would be best varieties for my area to graft on to CA rootstock in future. As space is limited and mainly taken up by other trees I would probably be able to handle 1-2 mango trees; with that in mind what are the absolute must have. I am not not a fan of the fibrous types and generally prefer sweet + sour fruits (not overally sweet) always on the look out for rare fruits!


Very helpful information Simon, thanks. I have some seedlings I'll be planting in this next year or two and this will be a big help.
ManVFruit did you get your seeds for nam doc Mai from nimfa/seedpirates? I did and they're doing very well considering USPS lost them for about two weeks... I have some manilla and tommy atkins doing fantastic too (Though I am on the other side of the state surrounded by fires currently. :( )


Yes that's right, sorry to hear about the fires. Hope they have it under control?
one near me just hit 2nd largest in california history... not looking good but far enough away from me all I get is the ash rain. I need to get some pictures of all my plants soon, we should compare! I'd love to see how they're growing vs similar plants from a few hundred miles south.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon zest on CA rootstocks
« on: August 06, 2018, 09:03:29 PM »
When planting these trees, plant in a square shaped hole, not round. Loosen the soil to the same depth as the pot, you can loosen the soil deeper but the plant will settle more and may sink a bit over the years if you donít compensate by planting higher.

If you have good to decent soil, there is no need to amend the soil, backfill with 100% native soil. If you want to give it a little extra love, you can add some organic tropical Fruit tree fertilizer and some beneficial soil microbes/mycorrhizal fungi. I also like to give my trees frequent dilute feedings of kelp emulsion during the establishment period.

You can top dress with a good compost and definitely mulch the tree with at least 3-4 inches of mulch. Mulch decomposes fast and needs to be replenished every 3-6 months.

If your soil is heavy clay, you should plant on a small to medium mound to allow for adequate drainage. Many new Mango growers make the mistake of adding too much organic amendments to the soil but this is a big mistake because the organic matter holds too much water and it will decompose so your tree will sink after a few years.

Think about it this way, if you add 30% organic amendments to your planting hole, the tree will likely sink by approximately 30% when that organic matter decomposes. In real life, the tree wonít sink exactly that much because the roots will grow out and anchor it a bit but it will sink a lot and can be extremely detrimental to your trees health.

I have heavy clay soil at my place and I plant on small mounds and backfill with about 50% native soil, 40% Pumice and about ten percent organic matter to get the tree going. To compensate for the loosening of the soil and for the incorporated organic matter, I plant my tree about 10% higher. Itís already on a mound but remember that the soil will settle.

For more detailed information, see this thread.

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=23124.0

Some of my suggestions may have changed over the years as new information comes in. I have to go through the entire thread to make sure I have updated with the latest techniques that work best for growers in SoCal.
Simon


This couldn't come at better time for me, I am glad you revived some of the old posts. I see you are also from SD, I have zero experience with Mangoes, in fact I just got few seeds of Nam Doc Mai germinated and I could not be happier with how healthy they look. What is your experience with this variety? my guess it will probably be happy until winter although where I live typically does not drop below 40F in winter.

 CA rootstock sounds like the way froward, I was wondering if anyone have suggestions on what would be best varieties for my area to graft on to CA rootstock in future. As space is limited and mainly taken up by other trees I would probably be able to handle 1-2 mango trees; with that in mind what are the absolute must have. I am not not a fan of the fibrous types and generally prefer sweet + sour fruits (not overally sweet) always on the look out for rare fruits!


Very helpful information Simon, thanks. I have some seedlings I'll be planting in this next year or two and this will be a big help.
ManVFruit did you get your seeds for nam doc Mai from nimfa/seedpirates? I did and they're doing very well considering USPS lost them for about two weeks... I have some manilla and tommy atkins doing fantastic too (Though I am on the other side of the state surrounded by fires currently. :( )

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Any updates on this project? I'd love to see more pictures of local avocados!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 30, 2018, 11:52:42 AM »
I moved my cherry tree (4 in 1) inside for a bit and in the last couple days it's seem tremendous recovery. New growth all over the branches. I was worried the heat had fried the ranier graft but it's making a comeback! I think the smoke from the carr fire up here is helping too... unfortunate as it is. The shade's helping alot of my plants that have been struggling with the 110 degree  weather and sun.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: July 30, 2018, 11:51:05 AM »
My Hass has made a great recovery.. unfortunately I've cut the lamb-hass down to about 1 ft tall with one green group of leaves. everything else died off. Holiday has green tips but not looking to good still.
Remember to not OVER water :(

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 23, 2018, 05:47:13 PM »


My temps arent as extreme but very dry.
Gotta figure something out before I lose more of my cherry tree. May put it under a persimmon for a while...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 16, 2018, 05:02:03 PM »
We hit about 110 here in norcal. I lost some seedlings that were too close to my window :( Also had some leave damage on my 4 in 1 cherry, and avocados trees and mangos. poor avocados are just trying to recover from too much water, now they're getting fried!

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   achetadomestica has some Muntingia Calabura... 1$ ea. fast shipping.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado tree getting too much water??
« on: June 18, 2018, 06:00:45 PM »
I think I got super lucky.
My Holiday got overwatered and the mature leaves browned and I had to cut off about 8 inches of dead wood from the top of my tree.
I have watered it VERY lightly only once since this happened a couple weeks ago and it seems to be doing better. I am seeing new growth on the branches but this tree seems to be recovering.
Don't give up unless you have the money to spare on a new tree (I'm to cheap!) you never know what they can do!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: spaugh Hero Member great guy.
« on: June 14, 2018, 01:00:06 PM »
So....   How about those avocados?!
I really want to know how your lilikoi is coming along XD
My edulis is FINALLY putting on some growth after planting it outside. only a few inches, but ill take it!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: spaugh Hero Member great guy.
« on: June 14, 2018, 11:48:25 AM »
A lot of people work for the government--including the military, the FBI, local law enforcement, fire rescue and emergency services, etc., etc.  I would imagine their incompetence, irresponsibility, and dishonesty when found reflect the general population.
Not to derail the conversation further but this is very true. We are just in the public eye more so than private organizations so it's noticed more frequently. Lazy, ignorant people will always be there. Regardless of who they represent.

-And I get paid less than in a private organization :(

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: spaugh Hero Member great guy.
« on: June 14, 2018, 09:42:30 AM »
I had Simon send me cuttings via Priority Mail, guess what I got empty box with tape on it. I do know Simon did not send me empty box for sure. LOL

Totally irresponsible, unaccountable worthless bunch of asshats.  If I could count on one hand all the problems I've had with the USPS.  I've had important Humana Pharmacy meds get side tracked to other states for 3 weeks, a box of California avocados were sent via New Jersery before Xmas during a hard freeze,  received other's mail and had mine lost resulting in crap like a delinquent insurance payment...I could go on and on.  They just don't care.  Like all govt. employees ya can't fire the bastards!
I feel attacked. Lol. I do IT for department of transportation.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Wind + pluots
« on: June 11, 2018, 12:22:40 AM »
Some survived, I've never actually had a pluot 'til today. They were soft, and I don't know the variety.
They're good, not great. Am I not letting them ripen enough?




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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Asimina Triloba sell
« on: June 10, 2018, 08:49:18 PM »
Which variety is this? Grafted or seedling?

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How is the taste compared to other eugenias? And how long to produce from seed?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persimmon
« on: June 08, 2018, 10:50:25 AM »
My persimmons pushed heavily through spring and are slowing down now as fruit has set.
I have Hachiya and Fuyu in California, 9B. I wouldn't expect yours to grow much until next spring, but that's just my experience. I've only been watching these trees for two seasons though. They are already established and ~25ft tall.

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Hey all, I am still looking for these plants. I think I am set as far as mangos go though.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: June 06, 2018, 06:07:55 PM »
I'm 100% sure My holiday was over watered. It was doing fantastic until my wife started watering in the mornings as we hit 100 degree temps.
Hass, and lamb-hass are still doing good and I will be keeping a closer eye on the watering they receive. I'm going to drill some more holes in to my pot for the Holiday when I'm off work tonight, I believe the holes may be a bit inadequate as I am growing some raspberries in an identical pot (Though smaller) that is retaining a lot of water too.

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I'll be stopping by the Marysville Farmers market this Sunday, I'll see what kind of avocados they have and let you know. We usually get several while we are there.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: June 06, 2018, 02:12:05 PM »
Have you had any success rejuvenating your avocados?
I'm contemplating removing my holiday from its pot and letting the root ball dry out a bit. I've read that this has had some success in the past for people.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: June 06, 2018, 01:04:40 AM »
My gardens getting chewed up too. Birds, bugs, some thing eating my pepper plant tops. The whole shebang. Neem and peppermint oil aren't cutting it. :(

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: June 05, 2018, 05:14:59 PM »
Your trees look fantastic!
My Holiday seems to be suffering from root rot :( The wife got a little water happy...
Hass and lamb-hass are doing great, as was the holiday before It turned all brown and the top withered up. Looks like it may be a goner.

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Can always come up here... 25$ and look way better than the manilla seedling I bought in socal. Currently growing a few from seed as its the wife's favourite mango and we buy cases at Asian market. I'm 1 hour north of sacramento.

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Check around a bit... my home Depot just got a shipment of manilla mango's and avocados. I'm 3 hours north

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Do you have a good supply? I really shouldn't spend any more money on plants until my next paycheck or wife may kill me ;)

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