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I've got both trees. I've got two cogshalls that are about ten years old and the pickering is only around 3 years old. This is the first year that I've had pickering fruit and only tasted it the past couple of days. I like it.
If I had to choose between the two that would be difficult. The cogshall is a great mango in my opinion. It would suck as a commercial variety as it breaks down too quickly. But, in the backyard you can pick them one at a time. They can suffer from softnose, but I don't have that problem as I'm high and dry. Supposedly the cure for softnose or internal breakdown is liming the soil (raising the PH, and providing a calcium source). Also, use less Nitrogen. Timing of fertilizer which should only be done after fruit drop is also important.
I hardly never fertilize my trees either. They don't need it. I also never ever ever ever water them. They don't need water either! I suspect people who have their mango suffer from softnose are the ones who are not practicing "tough love" with their trees and fertilize and water too much.
But, back on topic, pickering or cogshall...tough one...cogshall has been a proven winner for me, but the pickering is coming up strong! Cogshall is super early so is often the first taste of mango of the season, so that gets high marks! Cogshall produces a lot of fruit every year for me also. I've only limited experience with the pickering, but it is a very good tasting mango and the reported small growth habit is intriguing. Tough call. Let us know what you go with.
My vote is for the pickering. The pickering is an incredibly delicious mango when eaten properly ripened. However, when eaten underripe, the flavor is bland and not very sweet. When properly ripened, the pickering is incredibly sweet, creamy, and has strong coconut undertones. It does lack a tart component. So for those of you who like a tarty flavored mango, it may not be your top scoring mango.
In summary, the pickering wins in:
0) Flavor. The pickering is sweeter and creamier than the cogshall. Pickering also has a unique coconutty flavor.
1) Lack of internal breakdown. (The cogshall regularly has issues with internal breakdown)
2) Production and consistency. The pickering will out produce a cogshall many times over.
3) Precocity. Talk about instant gratification! The pickering starts pooping out fruits the minute it goes into the ground.
4) Disease resistance. No need to use copper at all.
5) Size. The cogshall will get bigger over time.
Pickering wins! Just make sure not to eat your pickerings until they are fully ripe (until they have a noticeable aroma)!
On a side note -- one of the notable attributes of the newer Zill mangoes (pickering, lemon zest, etc -- those developed by Gary Zill) is that they are free of internal breakdown issues. This is due in large part to where the mangoes are being selected (Gary's residence) where flooding is a problem (flooding exacerbates internal breakdown). Internal breakdown is a serious problem for many cultivars. A normally delicious mango can be turned to icky muck due to internal breakdown (eg, the cogshall). So, for those of you struggling with internal breakdown issues, look to the newer Zill mangoes!
Is the soil where Gary lives a muck/rock soil like in some parts of davie and southwest ranches? Reason I'm asking is because you've mentioned that his property is prone to flooding.
A lot of that is good reading but not sure if it is all correct. I have harvested 5 Viejo within the last two months (and one was left to overripen on the tree by accident) whereas it shows December as the harvest period. One of the Viejos I picked, which was extremely sweet and complex in flavor, can be confirmed by another forum member it was shared with (mikesid). Since I had never had a Viejo before I cannot comment if this common as to their quality or whether the previous year's weather played a role. Does each year's weather play a role in ripening, probably but I am not an expert on this to determine how or to what extent (I can only call 'em like I see 'em). Also, why is Lorito NOT on the list (hypothetical questions, of course, unless someone on this forum had a hand in compiling and writing the article)?
Also, having someone tout a fruit that they developed and named is great but I feel it must be taken with a certain grain of salt (whether it be Zills, Lara or Excalibur) for varying reasons.
The recommendations I have expressed are based on the fruit I have tasted. I can not comment on more than that. As to Pantin, I have had fruit from varying locations in both Miami-Dade and Palm Beach Counties. Some that I had from a specific commercial "grove" in homestead were not as sweet and flavorful and actually were a little watery.
Glad I did!
Picked up a bunch of Mamey, Mango, Canistel, Sapodilla, Lychee, and Sunshine!
At the park...
If you want a large, early and very tasty mango, Edward is my suggestion. I have had some this year in May, and they were outstanding.
It is a "shy bearer" , but I'll take one Edward over 3 Glenn's or Rosigolds any day...
I am writing up plans for a future project, and I am trying to find Early/Mid/late commercial type varieties.You are kind of cloisng the door looking for a super early variety with ALL of the attributes. Rosigold, which is one of, if not the earliest varieties falls into some fo your categoies:
Mid and late are easy, but I am having a hard time finding an Early variety that has these features.
*Very early
*Medium to large fruit size
* Color / attractive
* Disease resistance
* Excellent taste
* Decent shelf life.
* Productive.
* little to no fiber
In the new super list being made, mangoes are only marked as Early, Early -mid etc. But no specific months,
So far the only one that gets close to the above requirements is the Glenn, any other suggestions?
*Very early - yes
* Medium to large fruit size - meh (a little under a pound)
* Color / attractive - can be...yellow with crimson blush when properly ripened
* Disease resistance - Not sure on this one but I don't know of it being highly susceptible
* Excellent taste - to me, NO but considering it can be at least a month earlier than any other variety, this answer is relevant based on supply/enjoyment
* Decent shelf life. - par for the course (its no Gary, Carrie or Pina Colada as far as quck breakdown)
* Productive. - yes
* little to no fiber - yes
Looks like that 'coon is hyperventilating.
In a normal cleft graft, we'll see a cambium layer. Is there anything like this in type method or does it not matter here?
Adam,
I thought about using that grafting technique long time ago. I don't want to spoil your great effort. My understanding is that the grafted trees grows well and then stops growing and fades away. According to a reliable source, "it is something related to some interference with the normal hormone axis of the plant". I plan to visit one of the authors of that Fairchild article sometime soon. I will ask about the long term outcome of root grafting. Maybe it will work well on green sapote!!!
I think this is wrong. The grafts at Fairchild succeeded in long term. And so have the ones Lara nursery has done. But you can talk to them to confirm it.
That's some serious skills there. Have you grafted anything this small before?
Smaller u say?
Well..technically the cuts are larger, but the scion may be less massive...here's a tiny patch graft I did on a M.jaboticaba, where I slapped on some Red jabo budwood. It's taken nicely, and even shed the bark somewhat, leaving a cool pattern!
Good job, dude! I got inspired by your post and did a couple myself!
Cookiemonster,
u played a big role in helping me' do this graft. thanks!
let me' know if u get any takes...I'll buy one!
best of luck!
ps did u use Mamey rootstock?
