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I'm not sure if you spotted my thread a few days ago but that's exactly what a farmer does near me fir his annona, although it honestly should be receiving much more protection than a single Moringa tree to the east of it.

The Moringas start to explode with growth in late February after the last of the frost/near frost days.

In March. After the moringa tree has had all the dead branches cut off. The annona basically get full sun all day.




Now. The moringa tree has started to develop a canopy. In one month, it will be twice as big.



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Bump. Thought I would try again to see if anyone has any seeds for sale

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It looks like a sugar apple.

I'm not an expert, maybe one could chime in, but I don't think it's a sugar apple. Out in an open rural area like that I would think it would suffer much more damage in the winter if it was a sugar apple. I have some seedlings of  cherimoya, soursop and sugar apple planted near there. The cherimoyas held up pretty good, the soursops took significant damage, but the sugar apples were frozen all the way to the base. They don't seem like they tolerate the cold at all.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sapote trees
« on: June 01, 2017, 06:46:34 PM »
3rd year Suebelle from Lowes.. the tree has grown a lot and plenty of fruit this year.. the pictures of bigger fruit was last year.. the first fruit picture is this one..

so don't give up.. it's possible .. good luck ;D bought mine for about $30 I think..



This Year


Last Year


Last Year


Nice. That thing has exploded in only 3 years.

The Suebelle I bought from Mimosa was in horrible condition. There wasn't a single healthy leaf on it. I was a little upset at the driver for picking such a poor specimen but he said they told him that was the last Suebelle left. The Vernon was in great shape. Both were a little over 2 feet above the pot and both were fruiting already. The Suebelle has since recovered beautifully in the ground and is getting bushy and a little taller. The Vernon has done the opposite, it's shooting straight up and has gained over a foot in 10 weeks. They probably would have grown more but they are under 50% shade cloth in anticipation of the super hot weather that hasn't shown up yet except for a couple of days.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sapote trees
« on: June 01, 2017, 03:37:12 PM »
Called LQ Lowes, the manager Denise said LaVerne won't come out to her unless her order is at least a couple of thousand dollars worth. If I had contacted her a month ago, maybe.

Lol, called Mimosa right now. They quoted me a price of $28 for the 5 gallon but he said he was too busy to check which varieties he had in stock. I could hear all kinds of ppl in the background so I believe him. He said to call back early in the morning. I hope he doesn't change the price between now and then. From $40 to $75 down to $28, they are all over the place.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sapote trees
« on: June 01, 2017, 02:46:59 PM »
A lot of people tell me that Sebelle isn't a great White Sapote.  Maybe go for Vernon, Walton, Rainbow, Malibu 3, or something else.

You can probably have one cheap if you plant a seed and just graft in a year.

What attracted me to Suebelle is, isn't it known to fruit throughout most of the year if the climate is right?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sapote trees
« on: May 31, 2017, 10:57:56 PM »
I'm going to talk to the manager at LQ Lowes to see if they can get any WS from LaVerne. I talked to the HD mangers and they told me the couldn't. If I strike out, I might ask one of our drivers to pick me up another Suebelle at Mimosa if they are the same price. We deliver into LA 6 days a week but it's kind of pain in the butt to get a truck and 53' trailer into that tiny street. If I send someone up there, you want me to grab you a white sapote if they are still $40?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sapote trees
« on: May 31, 2017, 07:51:59 PM »
Well, if anybody has a confirmed sighting of a suebelle for 35 dollars let me know. I was just not in a mood to pay 75 for the tree that day.

Here, I found the text he sent me when he picked them up. Use this if you go there again


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sapote trees
« on: May 31, 2017, 07:25:53 PM »
I was at Mimosa in LA where they told me 75 dollars for the Suebelle. I did not accept that offer. The Little Finger was classed as a white sapote on the website that I saw

I sent one of our drivers to pick it up a Suebelle 5gal, Vernon 5gal, and a 7gal Big Jim Loquat. It came out to $130 out the door. Jose always looks a little disheveled so maybe they cut him a break  :P JK, they told me the same price over the phone.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sapote trees
« on: May 31, 2017, 06:22:33 PM »
The Suebelle and Vernon white sapotes at Mimosa in LA are $40 for a 5 gallon

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It looks like a sugar apple. It may also be an Atemoya, which is a Sugar Apple hybrid. I have both in my yard, but they are babies and are quite small in comparison to that specimen. I have heard much talk of Atemoya and Sugar Apples being difficult in low humidity areas, and I have also heard that they do not like dry winds, but so far I have seen that the trees prove resilient. My Sugar Apple is small, but very happy. I have actually had more issues with the Atemoya's. But I think that is just me because I am new to that type of tree. I am hoping mine will turn into fruiting specimens down the line somewhere.

Yes, this gives me new hope. The climate where you are at is so much better than Thermal too. I have a house I'm sure that's pretty close to you, on 49 and Jefferson, that I planted a 3 gal Morena Sapodilla. It's already 7 feet tall. At the same time I planted 4 Haysa and 1 Alano 7gal Sapodillas at my parent's ranch that's located a couple of miles from where this annona is at. All 5 of the Sapodillas suffered extreme winter damage. One died, 3 died back halfway to the ground, and one lost a bunch of leaves despite all being protected with plastic sheeting. The Sapodilla in Indio didn't receive any protection and managed the winter just fine.



I will be putting an Atemoya in Indio next spring or this fall.

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I have always heard Sapodilla is an excellent coastal tree that can withstand salt spray and high salinity in the soil.

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What does the tree look like by August/September?  Does it partially defoliate when it gets to 125F?

It obviously looks beat up. By the end of September it has defoliated somewhat with lots of yellow and crispy leaves. I don't have any photos of it last summer. But the Coachella Valley had a relatively mild summer for our standards last year. I think Thermal only reached 118 once. I do have a photo of it in March. You can tell the Moringa next to it are just starting to grow back after the winter. Perhaps the reason it fruited this year is because it seemed like April was cooler than March which had one 104 degree day and several in the 100s.




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I'm new to the (sub)tropical fruit tree game. So I would like some help identifying this fruiting annona in one of the hottest and driest areas in the nation.

There's this farmer in Thermal, CA (named "Thermal" for a reason) that has an unidentified annona that happens to be fruiting for the first time I have seen in the 3 years I have been observing it. It receives no special attention other than having a drip line run across it. It has no protection against the sun, wind or cold other than being up against a moringa tree. The moringa trees always have a severe die back during the winter but shoot out like a cannon once it reaches 100 degrees like it did in late March. The farmer has used propane heaters in the past to protect the Moringas in winter but the coldest it got this year was 28 degrees and used nothing this mild winter. It has seen temps between 24 degrees and 125 degrees.

What's more amazing is that it has managed to fruit despite being assaulted by hot, dry winds the last 3 weeks. It was a mild 100 degrees today but it was 107 last week. The winds have taken their toll though, I noticed several small fruits on the ground as well as some small ones on the tree that look like they are about ready to fall.

If this tree was in the city, like in Palm Springs or Indio instead of out in the open wind swept country, I have no doubt it would have held on to more fruit.

Can someone help me identify it?










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Lol. I grafted 3 LZ and Coco Cream on the same exact day. Covered them with a paper bag and promised myself I wouldn't look at them again until June.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Collapsible Produce Containers
« on: May 20, 2017, 06:49:27 PM »
In LA around the main produce market you can get used RPCs like that for a buck and change a piece at the box and crate companies. You can also find dozens of the flimsy black plastic crates for free sitting around the dumpsters at produce companies.

Call the smaller used box and crate companies around the wholesale produce hub in Miami if you need a lot.

But if you need literally just a "few". Every Kroger owned store, Safeway and Walmart has these laying around. They are supposed to be sent back to be cleaned and reused but if you are nice to the person in the produce section they might just bring out a few to you.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tamarisk tree mulch around mangoes?
« on: May 14, 2017, 08:47:34 PM »
I wouldn't risk it unless someone says it is OK.  They get their name fRon the ability of their roots to suck all of the salt out of the ground.  They then transfer that salt to their needles.  When they drop their needles, they have a high salt content.  That high salt content kill's all the vegetation around it and kills off all competition.

I read the same thing on wiki. Wasn't sure if it affected the wood too. But it would make sense. The salt has to get to the leaves somehow. There a very few leaves/needles in the mulch though. Amazingly wiki also says chipped tamarisk is used as fertilizer, although a little salty. Same can be said for animal manure too.

I think I will sacrifice a mango and guava seedling, plus a sugar cane shoot, by mixing the tamarisk mulch into the potting soil to see what happens.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tamarisk tree mulch around mangoes?
« on: May 14, 2017, 03:36:53 PM »
Hmm, yah salt would not be a good thing for mangoes. Pretty weird. I had never heard of that before.

My question was does the wood of the salt cedar have salt in it. I know they are incredibly salt tolerant but don't know if the wood absorbs the salt.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tamarisk tree mulch around mangoes?
« on: May 14, 2017, 03:32:05 PM »
Stuff looks so tempting to use. Better not risk it. They say they will be bringing Eucalyptus soon. I'll probably wait for that




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Tamarisk tree mulch around mangoes?
« on: May 13, 2017, 06:11:02 PM »
Landscaping company dumped about 20 loads so far of woodchips at our ranch. The farmers that rent the back plan to work it into their field and "pave" the sideroad. The wood chips look really nice, hardly any dirt or leaves, so I was thinking of mulching some of my trees with it. But it looks like the chips are mostly from tamarisk trees, salt cedars.

Is the wood from these trees salty, like their name suggests? I know mangoes are salt sensitive, so it's probably a bad idea to use the mulch for them right? Would you use tamarisk mulch on either guavas or bananas? How about if I let it age a few months in the 100 degree heat, would that affect the salinity?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What grows without full sun...
« on: May 06, 2017, 01:15:28 PM »
My tropical guavas that I have in the shade are a fraction of the size of the ones in full sun. My 2 pineapple guavas are both in the shade and they seem to love it!

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Thanks for the advice. I'll try a month from now. Is it true that Suebelles can continue to produce fruit for up to 6 months?

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Bump

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Miracle fruit tree - still alive?
« on: May 01, 2017, 12:44:34 AM »
I still have my original plant and it too nearly bit the dust.  Got to a really nice size and produced hundreds of berries.  One year, it started dying back bit by bit to the point where there was nothing left but 8 inches of trunk.  No branches.  No leaves.  My wife kept saying "It's dead".  But it was still green beneath the bark.  Stayed that way for nearly 2 years.  Then one day it started coming out of its funk.  Not quite as large a canopy as before but still very nice.  So unless it is dead dead for sure, don't give up!

2 years? Maybe I shouldn't have given up on mine. I had a small miracle fruit tree shipped to me. Looked in great shape when it arrived. I quickly transplanted it. It stayed in the same condition for 3 months. But during the next 3 months the leaves became powdery, then shriveled up and died. It was still bright green beneath the bark though. I continued to water it occasionally for the next 6 months. It remained a leafless but was still green beneath the bark the entire time. I finally grew frustrated and pulled it from the soil and placed the roots in a container of water for a month. No change, no growth, still green beneath bark. So I tossed it.

Maybe I should have given it another year.  ;D


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Or even small seedlings but they need to be shipped unless I can pick them up in the Palm Springs area.

Looking for about 30 fresh seeds but less is fine if that's all that is available

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