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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Amoa 8 Blood Mandarin…woah!
« on: February 20, 2024, 06:44:08 AM »
I have it. It is really dark red every year and tastes sweet. A bit small the fruits and not the complex special aroma of Moro blood orange but definitely tasty. Blooms willingly.

But I do not believe in the hardiness claims. Such a hardiness is totally unlikely given the parents of Amoa 8. I would assume that it is not hardy at all, not more than any common citrus. I have seen that Italian nurseries often make totally exaggerated claims of hardiness. I do not know how they come to these data. They even state that pure Pumelo is hardy to -10°C (14°F) or sour orange hardy down to -15°C (5°F) which is foolish. I shall believe that they survive such temperatures for one hour without any wind when temperature is then again above freezing. But that is not the hardiness we use to speak about here. If Italian hardiness claims were true noebody would waste a thought about (really) hardy citrus.

I have a few of these in the ground.  My place hit 16 degrees this winter on the 17th of January.  I banked soil around the young trees to protect them but it was not needed.  The branches above the banked soil survived with damage to the thinner parts.  It did warm up the next day well above freezing temperatures.  It was one of our colder lows for this area but not with prolonged temps barely above freezing for several days.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless Che - Dropping Fruit
« on: November 23, 2023, 06:39:04 AM »
I have had a seedless Norris and Darrow for years and neither has held fruit to maturity.  I do not know what it takes to get these trees to hold fruit without male.  I guess I will have to buy a male as well.

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Thats good to know.  Now only if the fruit would not just fall off!

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Can anyone tell me if I have a male or female?  I purchased both a Norris and Darrow from Just Fruits and Exotics at least 5 years ago if not more but still have yet to get fruit.  What I think is fruit appears and then turns yellow amd falls off about this time of year on both of my trees which are supposed to be female.  Here are some photographs:





https://ibb.co/JjMsJVc
https://ibb.co/sHQZ9br
https://ibb.co/m5rDtWF

The first photograph shows what appears to be fruit starting to yellow.  Some of the others are still green.  This bush/tree is at least 8 feet tall yet still fruit will not ripen on the bush/tree.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Kiwi - Jenny Variety
« on: May 20, 2023, 08:46:41 AM »
Well I have purchased two of these and hopefully they will produce.

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I purchased Norris and Darrow from Just Fruits and Exotics 5+ years ago and both have always started growing small fruit but then always drops the fruit before maturity.  This year we have had a wetter than normal May (our Mays are usually very dry); the fruit is still holding on right now and I am hoping it has just been a water issue during the fruit ripening process.

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Does anyone know if any of these varieties are low in anti-nutrients such as oxalate acid?

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Kiwi - Jenny Variety
« on: April 22, 2023, 07:32:43 AM »
Has anyone had success with growing the jenny kiwi variety in the southeastern U.S.?  It is purported to not need a male pollinator.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Do Satsumas get better with age?
« on: December 05, 2022, 04:56:28 PM »
It may have something to do with age or the ability to hold more fruit.  The more fruit a tree holds onto the smaller the fruit tend to be (at least for me).  The small fruit are sweeter and do not have the issues you are speaking of.  I give the larger satsumas to my chickens to eat.
I have a tree which I thinned the fruits in spring so about 12 of them kept on tree.   They ended up all very big (about 4:1 by volume to normal size) with rough rind, dry and tasteless inside.   I basically through of them out.

I agree with that.  The larger sized fruits are edible but not of great quality.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Do Satsumas get better with age?
« on: December 05, 2022, 06:59:14 AM »
It may have something to do with age or the ability to hold more fruit.  The more fruit a tree holds onto the smaller the fruit tend to be (at least for me).  The small fruit are sweeter and do not have the issues you are speaking of.  I give the larger satsumas to my chickens to eat.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado 24/7 Thread
« on: November 18, 2022, 08:08:22 AM »
For anyone in Florida, I have similar but maybe worse summer humidity conditions where I am located but mich colder winter conditions (usually lows in the low 20s a couple nights a year, sometimes lower).  I am looking for at least one variety that is very tolerant against the humidity, heat, and diseases that will produce where I with winter protection.  I have the cold hardy varities and failed with those so I would like to try less cold hardy varities that do not become an enormous tree if anyone has some recommendations.

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To the horror of every teacher I had growing up, I do generally trust Wikipedia. The Annonacin article cites more than one case study, but paints a picture of lifetime daily consumption (not just of fruit, but of nectar and tea as well) being linked to these issues, without mention of incidental consumption being linked to negative outcomes. Most people already consume things that would cause issues if eaten every day. You could have a heart attack if you ate a ribeye steak every day. You could get Type 2 Diabetes if you drank a can of coca cola with every meal. I'll view plants from this family as a 'sometimes food' going forward.

Saturated fat wrongly received the blame for heart attacks when it was actually refined sugar and seed oils.  High consumption of seed (vegetable) oils has been linked to parkinson's disease.  Seed oils are in nearly every pre-packaged food product and used by every restauraunt:

https://davidgillespie.org/every-drop-of-vegetable-oil-takes-us-further-along-the-path-to-parkinsons-disease/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Sources of ALA (Omega-3)
« on: September 04, 2022, 08:14:53 AM »
The problem with ALA is most human bodies do not convert it very well to its usable form:

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More specifically, most studies in humans have shown that whereas a certain, though restricted, conversion of high doses of ALA to EPA occurs, conversion to DHA is severely restricted. The use of ALA labelled with radioisotopes suggested that with a background diet high in saturated fat conversion to long-chain metabolites is approximately 6% for EPA and 3.8% for DHA. With a diet rich in n-6 PUFA, conversion is reduced by 40 to 50%. It is thus reasonable to observe an n-6/n-3 PUFA ratio not exceeding 4-6

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9637947/

Eating ALA with saturated fat enhances the conversion to a usable form.  The problem is most diets are way too high in omega 6's (inflammatory), which reduces the conversion.  This comes from people using seed (vegetable) oils in food preparation.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Identification of plant/shrub/fruit
« on: August 21, 2022, 06:01:49 PM »
I have not tried them yet but they sure do have a really potent (good) smell to them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone making small batch avocado oil?
« on: August 21, 2022, 01:48:34 PM »
That's all there is to it?

Dang, great idea to make our own! Considering it's $10+ a liter at Costco, if there's extra fruit falling off the tree!

Have you noticed variations between say Reed and Mexicola etc?

Most store bought avocado oils are either rancid or fake, i.e., cut with poisonous seed oils such as canola, soybean, peanut, or corn oil:

https://youtu.be/X--2YBI-sn4

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Identification of plant/shrub/fruit
« on: August 20, 2022, 09:34:58 PM »
Upon further search, I think it is called a gopher apple:

https://www.eattheweeds.com/gopher-apples-not-just-for-tortoises-anymore/

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Identification of plant/shrub/fruit
« on: August 20, 2022, 09:18:10 PM »
I am located in the gilf coast of Alabama and was at the beach today.  Upon leaving, about 100+ yards from the Gulf of Mexico I found these wild fruit growing on these plants.  They have an intense berry smell amd are about the soze of a robin egg but I do not know what they are though:












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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mandarin melon berry aka che
« on: July 18, 2022, 03:05:19 PM »
i have two varities from Just Fruits and Exotics but every year they drop the fruit prior to ripening.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: HLB Spreads In California
« on: July 12, 2022, 03:43:16 PM »
You may want to mulch around your citrus trees with oak leaves to prevent the decline of your trees.

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Does anyone know of a source to obtain red malanga?  I can only find the white malanga locally.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Navel vs Hamlin zone 8B?
« on: March 08, 2022, 07:33:30 AM »
No I saw the tags again at the home depot.  It is mycitrustree.com but it appears the page is no longer active.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Navel vs Hamlin zone 8B?
« on: March 06, 2022, 09:13:12 AM »
When I bought my naval at Lowes last year it just labeled naval. Can I assume its a glen naval. This was at a Lowes in Fl.

Its most likely a Washington Navel.  Record Buck Farms is most likely the company who grafted it.  They have a website with variety listings that I am unable to find this second, it is something like mycitrustree.com, it is not that web address but something similar.  It is usually located on the tag.  I have seen a few more general listings for their varities like satsuma will just say satsuma mandarin those are most likely owari.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry Thread.
« on: March 06, 2022, 08:40:11 AM »
There are two mulberry varities available at my local walmart and was wondering if anyone knew which varities these actually are:

"Everbearing" mulberry:

https://chestnuthilltreefarm.com/shop/everbearing-mulberry/

My guess would be dward everbearing they just left off the dwarf?  Or would it be the Illinois everbearing?

"Black" mulberry:

https://chestnuthilltreefarm.com/shop/black-mulberry-2/

It says morus nigra but I doubt they would have a true black mulberry from a Florida grower.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Glen Navel?
« on: February 26, 2022, 09:45:27 AM »
My Glen navels are the exact same size or not very noticeably smaller than my Washington navels, but I have mine in a hot, humid, and rains everyday during the summer climate.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: New Zealand lemonade vs Meyer lemon
« on: February 26, 2022, 09:43:11 AM »
I would recommend eureka or lisbon lemons over meyer.  I would most likely not have a meyer lemon tree if I was able to grow standard lemon varieties in my climate.  Meyer lemons to me have an off taste.  Meyer is a highly productive tree if you like the fruit but I prefer other lemon varieties over meyer.

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