The lost varieties where are they now?

[Mike T]

http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/CaringForTrees/ImportedVarieties5-87.htm
These are fruit varieties that came through a local facilty for trial over a 17 year period.It is only a tiny fraction of what exists in the region but many of these good types are nowhere to be found now.The extraordinary Yook ho pow lychee turned up in someones yard and I heard that several of pulasans are on farms.I suspect many are not lost but are still around somewhere perhaps in backyards.

[fruitlovers]

If only the list told who they were distributed to?

[BMc]

That's a decent 17 years. many are now staples, and others pop up unexpectedly in strange places. Its a shame that a number have fallen into obscurity now though, with little to choose from. Many probably went to stalwart collectors, many of whom have now passed on, and with them went their collection. Its interesting that so many temperate/sub-tropical fruits went through Cairns.

On the up side, I hope to pick up a Chacapat lychee soon. 

[Mike T]

That is only for 17 years out of 100+.The 1970 to 1990 period was at fever pitch with many local groups and individuals madly collecting.I suspect they were 'locked' down with private collectors in many cases like D.macrantha and Russells sweet garcinia.There is another facility at south Johnstone 60 miles south where many of these and other types will still no doubt be present.It is a govt office and little research is done there any more.
I might make some enquiries but a few ended up in the park I posted about.

[Mike T]

BMc there was another facility at Mareeba for cooler climate fruits that were also tried in Cairns.I see baffling varieties turn up in the markets and growing on tableland farms and this is no doubt one of the sources.The list will help me identify some of these.

[Mike T]

I have further news on the list of missing fruits.Here are some of the varieties:


LIST OF PLANTS IMPORTED THROUGH KAMERUNGA BETWEEN 1970 AND 1987


Pineapple varieties: F200, Mas Merah, Mauritius.
 
Cherimoya varieties: Bays, Booth, Burton's Wonder, Chaffey, Kaitaia Special, Loma, Pierce, Pink, Reretai, Sabor, White.
 
Atemoya varieties: Bernitski, Bradley, Gefner, Kabri, Malalai, Page.
 
Soursop varieties: Whitman's Fibreless.

Sweet sop varieties: Seedless.
 
Jackfruit varieties: Hew No.1, Jampa, Na-N No.1.
 
Chempedak varieties: Paya Jeras.

Cheena varieties: Hew.
 
Carambola varieties: Arkin, B1, B10, B11, B2, B4, B6, B8, Hart, Kajang, Kembangan, Kona Beauty, Leng Bak, Maha, Pat Chun, Sel 11-1, Sel. 6-5, Sel. 9- 4, Seremban, Star King, Thai Knight, Wheeler.
 
Bouea burmanica varieties: Mayong Chid.
 
Maprang varieties: Kawang, Sweet, Wan, Wan Keow.
 
Natal Plum varieties: Browneii, Fancy, Green Carpet.
 
Pecan varieties: Baker, Candy, Cape Fear, Cherokee, Choctaw, Comanche, Forket, Jackson, Mary, Moore, Riverside, Sumner, Tejas, Wichita.
 
Casimiroa varieties: Candy, Chestnut, Commercial, Dade, Ferney, Golden Globe, Henricson, Lemon Gold, Lomita, Luke, Mac's Golden, Malibu 3, Maltby, McDill, Ortego, Pike, Rainbow, Reinikie Commercial, Scheffer, Ses 2, Seymour Golden, Smathers, Suebell, Sunrise, Te Puna, Tilden, Vernon, Vista, Wilson, Yellow.
 
Caimito varieties: Grimal, Haitian, Newcomb, Weeping.
 
Wampee varieties: Guy Sahm, Teem Pay.

Black Sapote varieties: Bernecker, Maher.

Mabolo varieties: Manila Red.
 
Durian varieties: Chanee, Chompoo See, Cipaku, D102, D123, D16, D2, D24, D96, D98, Gaan Yaow, Gob Yaow, Hew 3, KK8, Luang, Mon Tong, Parung, Sitebel, Sunan.
 
Longan varieties: Biew Kiew, Chompoo, Dang, Daw, Fa Hok Chai, Fuhko No.2, Haew, Homestead No.1, Ilao, Kay Sweeney, Kohala, Ponyai, Saig Geeb, Skek Yip, Wai.
 
Duku-Langsat varieties: Conception, D/L Stock, D/L V2, D/L V5, D/L 2, D/L 3, Daw 1, Dow, Duku, Duku No.1, Duku-Langsat, D1, D4, Jurong, Long Khong, Mindanao, Paete, Peng, Uttardit.
 
Lychee varieties: Amboina, Baidum, Chacapat, Charley Tong, Cheng, Erewhon, Fay Zee Szu, Groff, H. L. H. Mauritius, Haak Yip, Hong Huey, How, Jim Jee, Kaloke Bai Yaow, Kim Cheng, Kom, Kom Hom Lam Chiak, Kwa Lok, Kwa Lok- Tsang Shing, Kwai May, Kwai May Red, Luk Lai, Maw Mong, No Mai Chee, Peerless, Sa Kan Tu Chi, Sampao Kaow, Souey Tung, Sum Yee Hong, Sweet Cliff, Yook Ho Pow, 7795.
 
Mammey varieties: Lacetilla.
 
Mango varieties: Akbar, Apple, Banana I, Batawi, Betti Amba, Beverly, Blue, Boribo, Brooks Late, Bullocks Heart, Carabao Harbon, Carabao Lamao, Carabao Los Banos, Carabao Mindanao, Carabao Super Manila, Coconut, Crimson Blush, Davis-Haden, Dot, Early Gold, Edward, Elephant Tusk, Fairchild, Fajri, Fascell, Florigon, Gail, Gary, Gedong, Golden Delight, Goldsworthy, Golek, Graham, Harumanis, Hatcher, Hingurakoka-Willard, Hong Sa, Hood, Indo-Chinese, Isis, Jacquelin, Jakarta, Jewel, Joe Welch, Julie, Kalapady, Keitt, Kent, Keow Savoey, Kopu Reva, Kuru, Laskarshikhan, Lippens, Maha 65, Malgoa Ramasamy, Manalagi, Mapulehu, Momi K, Nam Dok Mai, Nimrod, Ok Rong, Olour, Ono, Pairee, Pairi, Palmer, Parri, Pico, Pirie, Pope, Rapa, Rosa, Ruby, Rupee, Sabre, Santa Alexandrina, Sensation, Southern Blush, Spirit of '76, Springfels, Sufaida, Tommy Atkins, Tong Dum, Van Dyke, Vellai Colomban, Wally, Zardalu, Zillate.
 
Kuini varieties: Kuini.
 
Sapodilla varieties: BKD 110, Brown Sugar, C54, C55, C58, Foster, H C Tan, Kai Hahn, Krasuey, Kulbaba, Lamao, Makok, Makok See Gaa, Martin, Mead, Modella, Pineras, Ponderosa, Prolific, Sawo Manila, Tikal, Tropical.
 
Matisia varieties: DCA-DF-6-01 , DCA-DF-6-07, DCA-DF-6-08, DCA-DF-6-11, DCA-DF-6-12.
 
Mulberry varieties: Peradiniya.
 
Jaboticaba varieties: Grimal.
 
Rambutan varieties: Aceh Kuning, Bang Yikhan, Binjai, Bogor, Che Mong, Chompoo, Deli, Gading, Gulah Batu, Hew, Jit Lee, Jit Mong, Lebak Bulus, Maharlika-Belen, Nam Tan Kraud, Pelat, Penang, Rapiah, Rongrien, R134, R137, R138, R139, R154, R156, R160, R161, R162, R163, R165, R167, R168, R169, R170, R3, R37, R4, R7, R9, R99, Sadao, Sacay U. P. L. B. , See Tong, Seematjaan, Seematjaan Besar, Seenjonja, Silengkeng, Sinyonya, Sitang Kueh.
 
Pulasan varieties: Dow, Lee, P1, P3, P36, Sibabat, Unnamed.
 
Guyana Chestnut varieties: Guinea I, Whitman.

Canistel varieties: Aurea, Clemens, Ross, Sam Rodgers.
 
Mamey Sapote varieties: Benny, Cuban No.1, Cuban No.2, Magana, Pontin.
 
Green Sapote varieties: Green.
 
Guava varieties: Keow Sayoey, Klom Sali, Klom Toon Khao, Seedless, Seedless White.
 
Santol varieties: Bangkok, Manila Tuptim.
 
Kepel varieties: Kepel.
 
Jambolan varieties: Super.
 
Malay Apple varieties: Akree, Chompoo Mamiew, Rookman.
 
Wax Jambu varieties: Kaek Dum, Keow Savoey, Sri Nak.
 
Tamarind varieties: Jae Home, Kru Inn, Muen Chong, Nai Yad, Red, Sri Chompoo, Sri Tong.
 
Chinese Jujube varieties: Lang, Li.
 
Indian Jujube varieties: Bombay, Rien Tong.


DATE: November 1982


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The upshot of the above selection is that researchers rescued many of the above and 100's of others and relocated them to backyards,farms an into private hands before the trees were dozed.Since then most have been forgotten,lost their identities,been chopped down,lost in cyclones etc.Many still survive in forgotten locations and emerge occasionally.I have a line on a property that had a selection of pulasans before cyclone Yasi.There is also a daughter of the Whitman Fiberless soursop which is far more productive an overall better than its mother.I am chasing seeds.
 

[fruitlovers]

Good luck on the hunt Mike.

[HMHausman]

Most interesting and challenging.  May your search be rewarded with many finds. 

Harry

[Mike T]

Thanks Haus,
I really don't have room for any but I just want to find out where a few good survivors are, especially those I mentioned.Then I could perhaps get a few seeds and be a mini johnny appleseed.I would not like to see the best pulasan family trees become stumps.

[Mike T]

I forgot to mention something about cheena (jack x chempa) that you can see on the list.Crosses were done in Australia and dubbed cheena.Cheena was also used as a name for all crosses hence the list below lists cheena varieties.This could explain why Fruitlovers cheena did not ring bells with me when I saw the picture as more than one cross could be going by this name.

[Ethan]

Wow awesome (but sad) list.....Matisisa  varieties?!?!  Some interesting casimiroa too.  Hopefully you'll be able to rescue some scions from extinction.

good luck,
-Ethan

[BMc]

Do you ever talk to Mike Fabian? He has a few grafted varieties of some of these that I've seen pics of. As the master grafter of the north for years he'd have to know the wereabouts of many of the mother (or at least daughter) trees? I do understand that he can be a bit hard to get to though.

[Mike T]

BMc yes I know he would be a great option but my contacts to him are too thin for me to be bustin' in on him.These good varieties are like plankton across the rural lanscape and folk are combing the countryside like filterfeeders as we speak trying to locate them.If I hit the wall then I may approach fabian,carle,goebels,marshall and their ilk directly, but my leads are not spent yet.
Oh yeak I saw lucy (jujube) today and she's coming over for a pluck this afternoon.

[BMc]

Good plucking to you and Lucy. I'll have to ask about her new 5 jujube varieties.

[fruitlovers]

I forgot to mention something about cheena (jack x chempa) that you can see on the list.Crosses were done in Australia and dubbed cheena.Cheena was also used as a name for all crosses hence the list below lists cheena varieties.This could explain why Fruitlovers cheena did not ring bells with me when I saw the picture as more than one cross could be going by this name.

Yes Mike i brought up same point in a couple of other different thread. Frank Sekiya, famous nurseryman here, is the one who told me about the different cheena crosses, and that is why some are much better quality than others. Other reason is that many people grow out seedling Cheenas, and there will be some variation from seed.
About tracking down the plants...were no records kept as to who the plants were given to? That sure would make your job easier!

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Mike...

I think I have access to the "Ruby" mango...on your list of lost varieties.

A small red fruit..quite nice though.

I guess it never was popular because of the small size.

(oh, now that I look at your list, I see a lot of common stuff here, that I suppose isn't available in your country?)

at least you didn't lose the Grimal Jabo...(it's nice to see the his name on the RFC list)

I have further news on the list of missing fruits.Here are some of the varieties:


LIST OF PLANTS IMPORTED THROUGH KAMERUNGA BETWEEN 1970 AND 1987


Pineapple varieties: F200, Mas Merah, Mauritius.
 
Cherimoya varieties: Bays, Booth, Burton's Wonder, Chaffey, Kaitaia Special, Loma, Pierce, Pink, Reretai, Sabor, White.
 
Atemoya varieties: Bernitski, Bradley, Gefner, Kabri, Malalai, Page.
 
Soursop varieties: Whitman's Fibreless.

Sweet sop varieties: Seedless.
 
Jackfruit varieties: Hew No.1, Jampa, Na-N No.1.
 
Chempedak varieties: Paya Jeras.

Cheena varieties: Hew.
 
Carambola varieties: Arkin, B1, B10, B11, B2, B4, B6, B8, Hart, Kajang, Kembangan, Kona Beauty, Leng Bak, Maha, Pat Chun, Sel 11-1, Sel. 6-5, Sel. 9- 4, Seremban, Star King, Thai Knight, Wheeler.
 
Bouea burmanica varieties: Mayong Chid.
 
Maprang varieties: Kawang, Sweet, Wan, Wan Keow.
 
Natal Plum varieties: Browneii, Fancy, Green Carpet.
 
Pecan varieties: Baker, Candy, Cape Fear, Cherokee, Choctaw, Comanche, Forket, Jackson, Mary, Moore, Riverside, Sumner, Tejas, Wichita.
 
Casimiroa varieties: Candy, Chestnut, Commercial, Dade, Ferney, Golden Globe, Henricson, Lemon Gold, Lomita, Luke, Mac's Golden, Malibu 3, Maltby, McDill, Ortego, Pike, Rainbow, Reinikie Commercial, Scheffer, Ses 2, Seymour Golden, Smathers, Suebell, Sunrise, Te Puna, Tilden, Vernon, Vista, Wilson, Yellow.
 
Caimito varieties: Grimal, Haitian, Newcomb, Weeping.
 
Wampee varieties: Guy Sahm, Teem Pay.

Black Sapote varieties: Bernecker, Maher.

Mabolo varieties: Manila Red.
 
Durian varieties: Chanee, Chompoo See, Cipaku, D102, D123, D16, D2, D24, D96, D98, Gaan Yaow, Gob Yaow, Hew 3, KK8, Luang, Mon Tong, Parung, Sitebel, Sunan.
 
Longan varieties: Biew Kiew, Chompoo, Dang, Daw, Fa Hok Chai, Fuhko No.2, Haew, Homestead No.1, Ilao, Kay Sweeney, Kohala, Ponyai, Saig Geeb, Skek Yip, Wai.
 
Duku-Langsat varieties: Conception, D/L Stock, D/L V2, D/L V5, D/L 2, D/L 3, Daw 1, Dow, Duku, Duku No.1, Duku-Langsat, D1, D4, Jurong, Long Khong, Mindanao, Paete, Peng, Uttardit.
 
Lychee varieties: Amboina, Baidum, Chacapat, Charley Tong, Cheng, Erewhon, Fay Zee Szu, Groff, H. L. H. Mauritius, Haak Yip, Hong Huey, How, Jim Jee, Kaloke Bai Yaow, Kim Cheng, Kom, Kom Hom Lam Chiak, Kwa Lok, Kwa Lok- Tsang Shing, Kwai May, Kwai May Red, Luk Lai, Maw Mong, No Mai Chee, Peerless, Sa Kan Tu Chi, Sampao Kaow, Souey Tung, Sum Yee Hong, Sweet Cliff, Yook Ho Pow, 7795.
 
Mammey varieties: Lacetilla.
 
Mango varieties: Akbar, Apple, Banana I, Batawi, Betti Amba, Beverly, Blue, Boribo, Brooks Late, Bullocks Heart, Carabao Harbon, Carabao Lamao, Carabao Los Banos, Carabao Mindanao, Carabao Super Manila, Coconut, Crimson Blush, Davis-Haden, Dot, Early Gold, Edward, Elephant Tusk, Fairchild, Fajri, Fascell, Florigon, Gail, Gary, Gedong, Golden Delight, Goldsworthy, Golek, Graham, Harumanis, Hatcher, Hingurakoka-Willard, Hong Sa, Hood, Indo-Chinese, Isis, Jacquelin, Jakarta, Jewel, Joe Welch, Julie, Kalapady, Keitt, Kent, Keow Savoey, Kopu Reva, Kuru, Laskarshikhan, Lippens, Maha 65, Malgoa Ramasamy, Manalagi, Mapulehu, Momi K, Nam Dok Mai, Nimrod, Ok Rong, Olour, Ono, Pairee, Pairi, Palmer, Parri, Pico, Pirie, Pope, Rapa, Rosa, Ruby, Rupee, Sabre, Santa Alexandrina, Sensation, Southern Blush, Spirit of '76, Springfels, Sufaida, Tommy Atkins, Tong Dum, Van Dyke, Vellai Colomban, Wally, Zardalu, Zillate.
 
Kuini varieties: Kuini.
 
Sapodilla varieties: BKD 110, Brown Sugar, C54, C55, C58, Foster, H C Tan, Kai Hahn, Krasuey, Kulbaba, Lamao, Makok, Makok See Gaa, Martin, Mead, Modella, Pineras, Ponderosa, Prolific, Sawo Manila, Tikal, Tropical.
 
Matisia varieties: DCA-DF-6-01 , DCA-DF-6-07, DCA-DF-6-08, DCA-DF-6-11, DCA-DF-6-12.
 
Mulberry varieties: Peradiniya.
 
Jaboticaba varieties: Grimal.
 
Rambutan varieties: Aceh Kuning, Bang Yikhan, Binjai, Bogor, Che Mong, Chompoo, Deli, Gading, Gulah Batu, Hew, Jit Lee, Jit Mong, Lebak Bulus, Maharlika-Belen, Nam Tan Kraud, Pelat, Penang, Rapiah, Rongrien, R134, R137, R138, R139, R154, R156, R160, R161, R162, R163, R165, R167, R168, R169, R170, R3, R37, R4, R7, R9, R99, Sadao, Sacay U. P. L. B. , See Tong, Seematjaan, Seematjaan Besar, Seenjonja, Silengkeng, Sinyonya, Sitang Kueh.
 
Pulasan varieties: Dow, Lee, P1, P3, P36, Sibabat, Unnamed.
 
Guyana Chestnut varieties: Guinea I, Whitman.

Canistel varieties: Aurea, Clemens, Ross, Sam Rodgers.
 
Mamey Sapote varieties: Benny, Cuban No.1, Cuban No.2, Magana, Pontin.
 
Green Sapote varieties: Green.
 
Guava varieties: Keow Sayoey, Klom Sali, Klom Toon Khao, Seedless, Seedless White.
 
Santol varieties: Bangkok, Manila Tuptim.
 
Kepel varieties: Kepel.
 
Jambolan varieties: Super.
 
Malay Apple varieties: Akree, Chompoo Mamiew, Rookman.
 
Wax Jambu varieties: Kaek Dum, Keow Savoey, Sri Nak.
 
Tamarind varieties: Jae Home, Kru Inn, Muen Chong, Nai Yad, Red, Sri Chompoo, Sri Tong.
 
Chinese Jujube varieties: Lang, Li.
 
Indian Jujube varieties: Bombay, Rien Tong.


DATE: November 1982


 * * * * * * * * * * * * *
The upshot of the above selection is that researchers rescued many of the above and 100's of others and relocated them to backyards,farms an into private hands before the trees were dozed.Since then most have been forgotten,lost their identities,been chopped down,lost in cyclones etc.Many still survive in forgotten locations and emerge occasionally.I have a line on a property that had a selection of pulasans before cyclone Yasi.There is also a daughter of the Whitman Fiberless soursop which is far more productive an overall better than its mother.I am chasing seeds.

[ScottR]

Quite a list! Mike! good luck

[starling1]

I've got 5 of those longan varieties.

Seedlings grow WAY faster than grafted plants.

Most of the stuff on that list I've never heard of. That said, fruit turns up in my local fruit shop that I had no idea existed quite a bit too (well varieties anyway).

Sir Prize avocado was on the shelf a while back, I didn't even know that had made it to Aus.

[Mike T]

That list is just one source and only part of the selection they had and if you look at pulasan,cherimoya,matisia,maprang etc and see multiple types it is an eye opener.Odd varieties keep coming out of the woodwork from different groups and collectors and I suspect it is the same for many locations around the world.The number and quality of artocarpus,durios,mangiferas,pouterias,garcinias etc hiding in my area surprises me especially as most species and varieties are not in general circulation.

[starling1]

Although I'm steadfastly anti atrocarpus, I'd like to try marang one day. Sounds like the kind I might like.

[Mike T]

starling some of the Artocarpus are really worthwhile IMO. The point of this thread was how much was coming in and this was only 17 years at a single government facility operating for over 100 years. All the information regarding where and when varieties were collected and trial information was lost. Any species such as the 7 or so pulasans were added to previous collections and the Rare fruit Council had other varieties. Now I see all these different matisias, longans, pulasans popping up now and then, and no one knows what variety they are any more. Many were spread thinly to properties and yards and will give fruit enthusiasts WTF moments for years to come when someone presents an oddity. I know there have been maprangs , Annonas, lychees and all sorts I can't identify and people can't trace their origins.

[Recher]

BUMP----- any update?

[Stevo]

  My Mayong Chid has been fruiting for years

[Mike T]

It is the location of the 3 sweet maprang varieties I would be interested in. The recent kamerunga selections may be just a modest proportion of the total fruit assemblage locally. Many of those varieties were already here. The Whitman fibreless soursop has since revealed itself and it is good.
Mango varieties trialled in that lot are: Akbar, Apple, Banana I, Batawi, Betti Amba, Beverly, Blue, Boribo, Brooks Late, Bullocks Heart, Carabao Harbon, Carabao Lamao, Carabao Los Banos, Carabao Mindanao, Carabao Super Manila, Coconut, Crimson Blush, Davis-Haden, Dot, Early Gold, Edward, Elephant Tusk, Fairchild, Fajri, Fascell, Florigon, Gail, Gary, Gedong, Golden Delight, Goldsworthy, Golek, Graham, Harumanis, Hatcher, Hingurakoka-Willard, Hong Sa, Hood, Indo-Chinese, Isis, Jacquelin, Jakarta, Jewel, Joe Welch, Julie, Kalapady, Keitt, Kent, Keow Savoey, Kopu Reva, Kuru, Laskarshikhan, Lippens, Maha 65, Malgoa Ramasamy, Manalagi, Mapulehu, Momi K, Nam Dok Mai, Nimrod, Ok Rong, Olour, Ono, Pairee, Pairi, Palmer, Parri, Pico, Pirie, Pope, Rapa, Rosa, Ruby, Rupee, Sabre, Santa Alexandrina, Sensation, Southern Blush, Spirit of '76, Springfels, Sufaida, Tommy Atkins, Tong Dum, Van Dyke, Vellai Colomban, Wally, Zardalu, Zillate. It is like a hall of shame of mango varieties with carabao,NDM,ok rung and keow sawoy taken seriously as minor commercial types and the rest were destroyed.Like 100s of other varieties they just cant seem to compete with KP and derivatives.
Only about 7 of those 40 or so lychees passed the grade and the rest were destroyed.
Nobody can seem to report on what happened to all the duku,langsat,matisia and pulasan still,

[mike rule]

Mike T..... Do you happen to know whereabouts of the following Atemoya.......Bradley...Kabri...Malalai...Page...... I haven't come accross any of these in OZ.... Mike

[Mike T]

They either didn't make the grade being unable to compete with the big guns and had all trace of their attempts 'exsponged' or they were released in small numbers. I suspect the former if history is any guide. They no doubt would have been planted out and trialled trialled in SEQ and Mareeba research stations from Kamerunga as the climate would be more suitable in those locations.

[mike rule]

I've had contact with the Maroochydore research station re Custard Apples but they wouldn't even tell what varieties they had growing at present..... It was like they have a private collection & any information is not available about it to the general public ..... Not a great way to treat people who pay for their jobs........ They could have some of those varieties there ??

[Recher]

Whitman said about Cuban Fibreless Soursop that the reason it was fibreless is bec it never fruited.