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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2018, 06:39:28 PM »
Is anyone growing the swamp lemon mentioned from the post? Terry sent some fruit around, so I assume someone is growing it outside of it's original collection spot.

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2018, 06:41:01 AM »

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2018, 10:26:21 AM »
Professionals at work  ;)

are these seedlings or grafts? If they are seedling is there variation?

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2018, 05:49:07 AM »
Seedlings.
No variation.

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2018, 03:11:59 PM »
Would it be worth another search?  It is a few hour drive for me but the fruit should be visibly ripe in a couple weeks, perhaps the ideal time to find plants.  . 

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2018, 03:16:35 PM »
It definately would... :)

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2018, 05:04:26 PM »
Swamp Lemon flower



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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2018, 01:08:32 AM »
Swamp Lemon flower


Both the flowers and leaves look trifoliate in the pictures you posted.


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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2018, 07:11:06 AM »
But it is a PT!

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2018, 01:56:06 PM »
The Swamp Lemon leaves were intermediate between the pure trifoliate and the citrange leaves.  Not proof, but suggests to me that it isn't pure trifoliate.
That thought entered my mind when I looked at the picture as well.

It could just be a seedling of citrange, or possibly there may have been some cross-pollination with the trifoliate population growing out in the wild, and then the plant that had fruits without a bitter taste were positively selected for by the birds, and spread faster than normal trifoliate would.
I'm thinking, for example, that maybe there was someone who planted a citrange tree outside, or maybe it came from a rootstock that had overgrown its scion and the owner did not realize it, probably a potted orange tree brought inside during the winter, and then a bee carried this citrange pollen to one of the surrounding trifoliate plants in the surrounding vicinity. Or maybe the pollen came from a potted Meyer lemon, and the trifoliate x Meyer lemon offspring managed to survive and grow to eventually blossom, and then to pollinate a trifoliate tree growing in the wild. Then one of the seeds from that fruit grew, and the animals spreading the seeds much preferred the taste of this new trifoliate variety, so there was genetic introgression into the local wild trifoliate population.

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2018, 04:23:33 PM »
The  ratios of lengths of side and middle leaflets on photo of Terry's initial post are identical between Swamp Lemon and "standard" PT ( ~0.75)
Moreover, there exist hundreds different poncirus strains and leaves on individual plants exhibit a lot of variation. Swamp Lemon is  not showing any features that confirm the presence of citrange influence.
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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2018, 07:17:30 PM »
They said on the Making it Grow show on Tuesday's on public  TV out of South Carolina that trifoliata is invasive in SC and is actually plugging up creeks and streams there. Coastal NC where swamp lemon supposed to come from is a similar climate with live oaks, cabbage palms, palmetto bushes,etc.  I didn't see anything resembling trifoliata in the immediate vicinity of where it was found in the past, but maybe one day when I have a three day weekend, I'll take my kayak down there and explore waterways.

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2018, 05:10:47 AM »
The place on the internet where I read about it showed pure P. trifoliata, Swamp Lemon, and citrange leaves.  The Swamp Lemon leaves were intermediate between the pure trifoliate and the citrange leaves.  Not proof, but suggests to me that it isn't pure trifoliate.  Either way, I want it.  Assuming it exists.

This is the picture:

It clearly shows that Swamp lemon is a PT not a citrange.

SoCal2warm you steel have a very strong imagination.

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2018, 03:57:03 PM »
Yes, from that picture comparing leaves it obviously looks like it's much closer to regular trifoliate than to citrange.

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #39 on: September 02, 2018, 05:50:52 AM »
It is not closer. It is PT.

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2018, 05:41:03 AM »
Obviously there are two differnt kind of PT-flowers. Some paperthin and big diameter and others like the one shown on the picture. But all of them without remarkable fragrance.
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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2018, 10:22:32 PM »
I think I may have already alluded to this theory earlier in this post/thread, but the current flood waters in eastern NC are probably not good for any citrus, swamp lemon, or not. Almost all of eastern NC from I95 east is under water. This is not a rare occurrence for this region since rivers there are prone to flooding historically speaking. I didn't see poncyrus in Whiteville area perhaps because they'd been flooded out of existence long ago. The search, however shall continue.

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2018, 02:03:15 PM »
Sounds like a citrumello...

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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2018, 06:02:01 PM »
Sounds like a citrumello...
Never heard singing citrumelo :)
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Re: Swamp Lemon Adventure!
« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2018, 07:25:00 PM »
Lmao! Down here you hear banjo's out in the swamps... Be afraid!

 

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