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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #75 on: September 17, 2013, 04:55:23 AM »
http://www.amjbot.org/content/99/3/585.full

Oscar here it is again. Look below at the post prior to you saying "I read an online scientific paper". Maybe some posts don't show up for some observers.

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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #76 on: September 17, 2013, 05:13:12 AM »
http://www.amjbot.org/content/99/3/585.full

Oscar here it is again. Look below at the post prior to you saying "I read an online scientific paper". Maybe some posts don't show up for some observers.

Thanks Mike. That was the paper i was recalling. Here is main part:
Conclusions: Chrysophyllum cainito is most closely related to a clade containing Central and South American C. argenteum, including subsp. panamense. We hypothesize that caimito is native to southern Mesoamerica and was domesticated from multiple wild populations in Panama. Subsequent migration into northern Mesoamerica and the Antilles was mediated by human cultivation.
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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #77 on: September 17, 2013, 05:36:57 AM »
That is a key part of the article if the origin of star apples is the question being investigated .Your one I presume is C.argenteum subs, auratum and the pearl here is another subspecies of C.argenteum.

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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #78 on: July 16, 2014, 01:04:32 PM »
Hi Oscar,
By any chance that you will have some seeds available? I've been looking for this variety for years!!
Thanks... ~Daisy

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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #79 on: July 16, 2014, 05:40:50 PM »
Hi Oscar,
By any chance that you will have some seeds available? I've been looking for this variety for years!!
Thanks... ~Daisy
Been challenging keeping up with orders because each fruit has only one seed. But if you want only a few seeds i should be able to get them to you in about a month or so.
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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #80 on: October 06, 2017, 04:24:39 AM »
Hi Oscar,
How old is the tree and  at what age does it start to bear
fruit? I read somewhere in this thread it doesnt have a season and bear all year round.is it true?the skin looks thinner than chrysophyllum cainito and appears to have more flesh based on the image you posted.really amazes me the fruit flies dont attack those fruits

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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #81 on: October 06, 2017, 05:15:20 AM »
Hi Oscar,
How old is the tree and  at what age does it start to bear
fruit? I read somewhere in this thread it doesnt have a season and bear all year round.is it true?the skin looks thinner than chrysophyllum cainito and appears to have more flesh based on the image you posted.really amazes me the fruit flies dont attack those fruits

Now the tree is about 14 years old. It started fruiting when about 6 years. I would say it is fruiting about 9 months of the year.
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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #82 on: October 06, 2017, 07:58:16 AM »
is it as cold sensitive as the starapple?

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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #83 on: October 06, 2017, 09:33:57 AM »
Hi Oscar,
How old is the tree and  at what age does it start to bear
fruit? I read somewhere in this thread it doesnt have a season and bear all year round.is it true?the skin looks thinner than chrysophyllum cainito and appears to have more flesh based on the image you posted.really amazes me the fruit flies dont attack those fruits

Now the tree is about 14 years old. It started fruiting when about 6 years. I would say it is fruiting about 9 months of the year.
For real!Thats almost year round fruiting.Star apples are rare in malaysia btw and its a seasonal fruit here.This fruit that you have here could be popular in the future since it is very productive and taste like star apple.Does it have a thick rind or thin rind? From the picture it looks thin like sappodilla or abiu skin.I prefer to plant fruits with thick rind due to oriental fruit fly infestation.I just chopped my sapodilla tree due to the fruit infected with maggots

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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #84 on: October 07, 2017, 01:18:34 AM »
is it as cold sensitive as the starapple?
Don't know.
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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #85 on: October 07, 2017, 01:20:43 AM »
Hi Oscar,
How old is the tree and  at what age does it start to bear
fruit? I read somewhere in this thread it doesnt have a season and bear all year round.is it true?the skin looks thinner than chrysophyllum cainito and appears to have more flesh based on the image you posted.really amazes me the fruit flies dont attack those fruits

Now the tree is about 14 years old. It started fruiting when about 6 years. I would say it is fruiting about 9 months of the year.
For real!Thats almost year round fruiting.Star apples are rare in malaysia btw and its a seasonal fruit here.This fruit that you have here could be popular in the future since it is very productive and taste like star apple.Does it have a thick rind or thin rind? From the picture it looks thin like sappodilla or abiu skin.I prefer to plant fruits with thick rind due to oriental fruit fly infestation.I just chopped my sapodilla tree due to the fruit infected with maggots

Starapples fruit here also only 2-3 months out of the year. We have oriental fruit fly and never seen them on this fruit, unless they are cracked, even though it is thin skinned.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2017, 01:23:04 AM by fruitlovers »
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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #86 on: October 07, 2017, 02:57:34 AM »
Hi Oscar,
How old is the tree and  at what age does it start to bear
fruit? I read somewhere in this thread it doesnt have a season and bear all year round.is it true?the skin looks thinner than chrysophyllum cainito and appears to have more flesh based on the image you posted.really amazes me the fruit flies dont attack those fruits

Now the tree is about 14 years old. It started fruiting when about 6 years. I would say it is fruiting about 9 months of the year.
For real!Thats almost year round fruiting.Star apples are rare in malaysia btw and its a seasonal fruit here.This fruit that you have here could be popular in the future since it is very productive and taste like star apple.Does it have a thick rind or thin rind? From the picture it looks thin like sappodilla or abiu skin.I prefer to plant fruits with thick rind due to oriental fruit fly infestation.I just chopped my sapodilla tree due to the fruit infected with maggots

Starapples fruit here also only 2-3 months out of the year. We have oriental fruit fly and never seen them on this fruit, unless they are cracked, even though it is thin skinned.
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Why on earth was this fruit never became popular?its a shame no effort is being made to popularize it.should it made its way to vietnam or the Philippines its going to be hugely popular.those two nation love caimitos.one of the most popular fruit there

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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2017, 09:40:00 PM »
I received 5 seeds and only one sprouted, the other 4 rotted. Here is a photo of the winner so far. Not sure if I should transplant since the tap root is so long, any ideas? not sure how fragile this plant is.



Any update on the tree now? How big is the tree as of today?

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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #88 on: October 23, 2017, 11:37:47 AM »
Found something on the net and just want to share.Apart from subspecies panamensis and auratum there is also another subspecies called nitidum.According to this site it grows to a height of 7 metres
https://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/1178-ichrysophyllum_argenteum_i

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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #89 on: October 24, 2017, 05:28:51 AM »
Found something on the net and just want to share.Apart from subspecies panamensis and auratum there is also another subspecies called nitidum.According to this site it grows to a height of 7 metres
https://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/1178-ichrysophyllum_argenteum_i
There are dozens of species in the genus Chrysophyllum. This taxonomy site lists 89 accepted species names: http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Sapotaceae/Chrysophyllum/y
and i believe they are all edible.
Another species i recently got is C. venezuelanensis. Apparently this one has to be cooked first to be palatable.
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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #90 on: October 24, 2017, 10:42:09 PM »
Found something on the net and just want to share.Apart from subspecies panamensis and auratum there is also another subspecies called nitidum.According to this site it grows to a height of 7 metres
https://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/1178-ichrysophyllum_argenteum_i
There are dozens of species in the genus Chrysophyllum. This taxonomy site lists 89 accepted species names: http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Sapotaceae/Chrysophyllum/y
and i believe they are all edible.
Another species i recently got is C. venezuelanensis. Apparently this one has to be cooked first to be palatable.
Are there any seeds available now?

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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #91 on: October 25, 2017, 12:44:52 AM »
Found something on the net and just want to share.Apart from subspecies panamensis and auratum there is also another subspecies called nitidum.According to this site it grows to a height of 7 metres
https://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/1178-ichrysophyllum_argenteum_i
There are dozens of species in the genus Chrysophyllum. This taxonomy site lists 89 accepted species names: http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Sapotaceae/Chrysophyllum/y
and i believe they are all edible.
Another species i recently got is C. venezuelanensis. Apparently this one has to be cooked first to be palatable.
Are there any seeds available now?
Not right now. Maybe in a couple of months.
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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #92 on: October 25, 2017, 05:53:32 AM »
I suppose by couple of months it will be available in January ? Well I will wait then

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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #93 on: May 24, 2018, 02:39:55 AM »
Are there fruits now and how tall is the tree now?

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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #94 on: May 24, 2018, 08:42:58 PM »
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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #95 on: November 12, 2018, 05:42:59 PM »
Looking for some advice on a Chrysophyllum auratum tree. I've had this tree in the ground for around 4 years and it has been flowering non-stop over the last 6 months but has yet to set any fruit. Does anyone who has experience growing this know if C. Auratum is self pollinating or not? The tree is really healthy and I'm pretty certain its C. Auratum based on the appearance of leaf and musky smell. Some photos of the tree and flowers below. 



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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #96 on: November 13, 2018, 12:20:22 AM »
Yes that looks just like mine. Yes it is self pollinating. You might be missing the correct insect pollinator? You could try hand pollination. You could also try giving it a shot of high phossphorous and potassium fertilizer.
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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #97 on: November 13, 2018, 01:35:19 AM »
Yes that looks just like mine. Yes it is self pollinating. You might be missing the correct insect pollinator? You could try hand pollination. You could also try giving it a shot of high phossphorous and potassium fertilizer.

I have tried to hand pollinate (with a thin paintbrush) but with no success. The flowers have no scent (although the leaves have that really strong skunk smell).  I have not seen any insects attracted to the flowers. Also there seems to be almost no pollen in the flowers (although they are so tiny and its hard to tell). I will try the fertilizer you suggest. Thanks for your reply!

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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #98 on: November 13, 2018, 03:02:08 AM »
Yes that looks just like mine. Yes it is self pollinating. You might be missing the correct insect pollinator? You could try hand pollination. You could also try giving it a shot of high phossphorous and potassium fertilizer.

I have tried to hand pollinate (with a thin paintbrush) but with no success. The flowers have no scent (although the leaves have that really strong skunk smell).  I have not seen any insects attracted to the flowers. Also there seems to be almost no pollen in the flowers (although they are so tiny and its hard to tell). I will try the fertilizer you suggest. Thanks for your reply!
You got the seeds from me? My guess is that the tree is just to young to hold fruit. But fertilizing it will help speed things up. You're in Hawaii i now see, so you should have the right pollinators.
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Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« Reply #99 on: November 13, 2018, 10:02:32 AM »
Oscar, what time of the year are the seeds available?