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Plinia salticola (Dwarf Mulchi)
« on: April 12, 2012, 02:53:27 AM »
Any of you growing Eugenia subterminalis? Ever tried the fruit? How does it taste? How long from seed to fruit?

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Re: Eugenia subterminalis
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 04:01:13 AM »
never tried, but hear the dwarf ones are spicier and sweet acid...and the larger vartiey (i think the normal one) taste better I hear.  Not as spicy, larger fruits.

I've seen one picture of a guy in a tree and it was over 40ft tall, and the fruits got huge, the size of small apples.

I'd imagine it could take anywhere from around 5-10 yrs to fruit, although some sources may say different, I'm just making a guess.

The tree is very ornamental.
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Re: Eugenia subterminalis
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2012, 04:34:18 AM »
Regarding the dwarf from Jim West (which I got seedlings of, and is very slow growing); I don't think it has been definitively identified as Eugenia subterminalis.
Adam - by any chance - do you know of another source for the dwarf?
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Re: Eugenia subterminalis
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2012, 07:54:59 PM »
Almost done planting on the new lot  I kinda respected the normal distances between trees ( OK i cheated a little ) which is a waste of space at this time when you plant seedlings , I still need a few more hectares looking at all the stuff that is still in nursery bags .

So , I rediscovered the E. subterminalis , I am supposed to have both , the regular size and the dwarf , don't see any difference 4 years old and still only 30 cm tall , I must have lost quite a few , pain to grow kinda like the cerrado trees , so I'll just put them in the ground and see what happens have 2 that are used to full sun now and I'll ad a lot of coffee grinds to the planting  hole .

Adam , one day when I have a lot of money , I'll buy you a ticket to Puerto Vallarta so you can make cocktail trees of all my Eugenias , my grafting skills really suck ...don't know why...
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Re: Eugenia subterminalis
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2012, 08:30:22 PM »
Soren,

sorry for the 6 month delayed response!

but I only know of Jim west as a source, and maybe helton?

Luc!

I will have to teach you how to graft via the Internet. If you're ever in FL, I will spend a whole day showing you how.

until then we will have to rely on the inter tube  you-web, world wide net.

lol.

the Eugenia subterminalis is the most fickle plant ever!!!

high ph, (also i believe too much sunlight during juvenile and adult phase) improper soil biology, and drought will be co-conspirators in the death of your mulichi. E subterminalis.


good luck to all who grow this one!  I've killed 3 so far, I have one or two left...now being watered with good ph well water

 
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Re: Eugenia subterminalis
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2012, 12:41:43 AM »
I'm glad I'm not the only one with dwarf mulchi problems.  A very kind gent shared some seeds with me a few years back and they are painfully slow growing and never seem really happy.   I keep expecting them to die but they'll push a few new leaves every once in awhile to keep me in suspense. 

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Re: Eugenia subterminalis
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2013, 09:48:52 AM »
My mulchi also grew very slow when comparing with cambuca.
As for dwarf mulchi,  two-year trees are still 10cm tall.










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Re: Eugenia subterminalis
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2013, 12:08:45 PM »
yes Rock,

they grow super slow, and hate alkaline city water, more than most Brazilian species Ive encountered (that aren't from the cerrado)

I have about 3 of them, growing very nicely, but I must use well water only.

I love the foliage...it's hard to distinguish them from a cambuca.

I'd love to figure out a good rootstock for this one...maybe cambuca would work?
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Re: Eugenia subterminalis
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2013, 11:47:45 PM »
yes Rock,

they grow super slow, and hate alkaline city water, more than most Brazilian species Ive encountered (that aren't from the cerrado)

I have about 3 of them, growing very nicely, but I must use well water only.

I love the foliage...it's hard to distinguish them from a cambuca.

I'd love to figure out a good rootstock for this one...maybe cambuca would work?

Adam,
Myrciaria cauliflora can be rootstock for both mulchi and cambuca.
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Re: Eugenia subterminalis
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2013, 11:59:44 PM »
I have just planted seeds of this species so I am curious as to how it will go in my climate.

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Re: Eugenia subterminalis
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2013, 08:14:11 AM »
Rock,

everytime Ive tried using myrciaria jaboticaba (which I believe is what you call m cauliflora) as rootstock for plinia edulis, it fails.

I don't believe they're a good match.
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Re: Eugenia subterminalis
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2013, 08:26:46 AM »
Rock,

everytime Ive tried using myrciaria jaboticaba (which I believe is what you call m cauliflora) as rootstock for plinia edulis, it fails.

I don't believe they're a good match.

Adam,
Although I did not try it myself my friends have successful experiences using M. Jaboticaba as rootstock.
Will try tomorrow.
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Re: Eugenia subterminalis
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2013, 10:45:02 AM »
Rock,

thanks for the info...please let me know what you find out.

I've tried many times and have had only failures...and I've grafted them successfully onto other rootstocks, and I've grafted over 10 species of myrciaria/plinia.
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Re: Eugenia subterminalis
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2014, 06:37:42 PM »
Anything new on the mulchi ? After Adam's scary remark last year I decided to wait another year to put them in the ground ( aren't we rarefruitgrowers patient ??? )
My 3 plant have not grown very much since my last post but do look very healthy and bushy , they have been sitting under a longan in very filtered light ....
Decisions , decisions ....I'd really hate to loose them after caring for them for 5 years . Mine definitely love shade....
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Re: Plinia salticola (Dwarf Mulchi)
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2018, 07:52:48 AM »
Did you plant them Luc   ?