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Citrus => Cold Hardy Citrus => Topic started by: Luisport on November 17, 2017, 05:31:53 AM
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I read there are several varieties of Yuzu. I'm more interested about the seedless variety, but i don't know if it is a true yuzu... In Europe i don't see the yuzu varieties, just the usual one... any help? ;D
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Do you have the usual typ of yuzu?
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Some fruits of Hana Yuzu (from Eisenhut as Sudachi)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4561/26738588179_fd5e22734e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GJNfH2)Hana Yuzu aka Sudachi (https://flic.kr/p/GJNfH2) by hebamme.lena (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24810562@N07/), on Flickr
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The seedless Yuzu or Nishiki (tada) is extremely hard to find outside of Japan - as are the true Yuko and Sudachi - and it seems to me that most people in Europe who have either of them are not very keen on sharing.. :-\ You could also try Kabosu (C. sphaerocarpa) which is currently available from Adavo and is also used in cuisine.
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The seedless Yuzu or Nishiki (tada) is extremely hard to find outside of Japan - as are the true Yuko and Sudachi - and it seems to me that most people in Europe who have either of them are not very keen on sharing.. :-\ You could also try Kabosu (C. sphaerocarpa) which is currently available from Adavo and is also used in cuisine.
Thank's a lot for your tips! What do you think about this one? I'm thinking to buy this one: http://www.citrusandlife.com/en/nursery/51-yuzu.html (http://www.citrusandlife.com/en/nursery/51-yuzu.html)
Do you know another better variety of yuzu with more juice and less seeds? Thank's! ;D
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Do you have the usual typ of yuzu?
No i don't have any yuzu yet... ;D
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Here is a picture of mine. Unfortunately no fruits this year.
(https://s8.postimg.cc/ta45jrfmp/IMG_20171119_164234.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ta45jrfmp/)
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Here is a picture of mine. Unfortunately no fruits this year.
(https://s8.postimg.cc/ta45jrfmp/IMG_20171119_164234.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ta45jrfmp/)
That's very beautifull! Congratulations. What kind of yuzu is? ;D
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Thank, just the common typ.
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Thank, just the common typ.
I see it's very difficult to get other than the common one here... :)
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The seedless Yuzu or Nishiki (tada) is extremely hard to find outside of Japan - as are the true Yuko and Sudachi - and it seems to me that most people in Europe who have either of them are not very keen on sharing.. :-\ You could also try Kabosu (C. sphaerocarpa) which is currently available from Adavo and is also used in cuisine.
Thank's a lot for your tips! What do you think about this one? I'm thinking to buy this one: http://www.citrusandlife.com/en/nursery/51-yuzu.html (http://www.citrusandlife.com/en/nursery/51-yuzu.html)
Do you know another better variety of yuzu with more juice and less seeds? Thank's! ;D
I have never ordered there, since they only ship to EU countries but it looks ok.
Mind you – much of what I write here is not personal experience. I only have Hana Yuzu.
Ichang lemon has more juice than Yuzu but, of course, it is not a Yuzu. I think it is still worth a try. Hana Yuzu has fewer seeds than the normal one but also smaller fruit and the fragrance is less powerful. The seedless Yuzu would be best but it is almost impossible to find.
Check out this link with a lot of information about different Yuzu types: http://forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=41&sid=7cbbc5468736366e413e2a79d67ccd9c (http://forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=41&sid=7cbbc5468736366e413e2a79d67ccd9c)
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The seedless Yuzu or Nishiki (tada) is extremely hard to find outside of Japan - as are the true Yuko and Sudachi - and it seems to me that most people in Europe who have either of them are not very keen on sharing.. :-\ You could also try Kabosu (C. sphaerocarpa) which is currently available from Adavo and is also used in cuisine.
Thank's a lot for your tips! What do you think about this one? I'm thinking to buy this one: http://www.citrusandlife.com/en/nursery/51-yuzu.html (http://www.citrusandlife.com/en/nursery/51-yuzu.html)
Do you know another better variety of yuzu with more juice and less seeds? Thank's! ;D
I have never ordered there, since they only ship to EU countries but it looks ok.
Mind you – much of what I write here is not personal experience. I only have Hana Yuzu.
Ichang lemon has more juice than Yuzu but, of course, it is not a Yuzu. I think it is still worth a try. Hana Yuzu has fewer seeds than the normal one but also smaller fruit and the fragrance is less powerful. The seedless Yuzu would be best but it is almost impossible to find.
Check out this link with a lot of information about different Yuzu types: http://forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=41&sid=7cbbc5468736366e413e2a79d67ccd9c (http://forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=41&sid=7cbbc5468736366e413e2a79d67ccd9c)
Thank's a lot for your reply! This spanish seller got the trees from Holland. They seams very nice and as the purpose of them is sell fruit i think they should be nice. I just see seedless yuzu trees on Japan...
https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/chigusa/item/686650/ (https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/chigusa/item/686650/)
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They are selling seeds of a seedless Yuzu? I am just asking :)
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They are selling seeds of a seedless Yuzu? I am just asking :)
What from the spanish seller? This yuzus are not seedless... ;D
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Seeds of a seedless yuzu! ;D ;D ;D
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Is the Nishiki Tada actually a real Yuzu without seeds, or is it just called a yuzu?
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It is a variety of mukaku Yuzu, seedless yuzu.
The defect ( chromosome asynapsis) is genetic and results in defective ovules and pollen.
The taste of fruits is close to Yuzu, although the juice and peels have somewhat different composition.
Japanese article (https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/nskkk1962/33/11/33_11_773/_pdf) with English summary and comparative tables.
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It is a variety of mukaku Yuzu, seedless yuzu.
The defect ( chromosome asynapsis) is genetic and results in defective ovules and pollen.
The taste of fruits is close to Yuzu, although the juice and peels have somewhat different composition.
Japanese article (https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/nskkk1962/33/11/33_11_773/_pdf) with English summary and comparative tables.
Thank's a lot for your reply! Do you know any source? Thank's! ;D
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Not really, but I am searching :D
Some short descriptions for more Yuzu varieties can be found here (http://yuzunation.com/)
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on Jauce (https://www.jauce.com/auction/m228727535) you can find japanese grower selling their fruits. They send worldwide. If you are allowed to import Citrus it might be a source for seeds. But for EU Citizen it won`t work...
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Thank's a lot for all the info! ;)
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> The seedless Yuzu or Nishiki (tada) is extremely hard to find outside of Japan - as are the true Yuko.
In France, in private collections, you can find everything you want.
A yuko in my garden:
(http://pafranceparamoteur.free.fr/datas/perso/Agrumes/yuko/Yuko-1.png)
(http://pafranceparamoteur.free.fr/datas/perso/Agrumes/yuko/Yuko-2.png)
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The Yuko A Native Japanese Cirus
http://www.tokyofoundation.org/en/topics/japanese-traditional-foods/vol.-11-the-yuko-a-native-japanese-citrus (http://www.tokyofoundation.org/en/topics/japanese-traditional-foods/vol.-11-the-yuko-a-native-japanese-citrus)
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> The seedless Yuzu or Nishiki (tada) is extremely hard to find outside of Japan - as are the true Yuko.
In France, in private collections, you can find everything you want.
A yoko in my garden:
(http://pafranceparamoteur.free.fr/datas/perso/Agrumes/Yuko-1.png)
(http://pafranceparamoteur.free.fr/datas/perso/Agrumes/Yuko-2.png)
They are very beautifull, congratulations! Your yuzus have less seeds? Thank's! ;D
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The Yuko A Native Japanese Cirus
http://www.tokyofoundation.org/en/topics/japanese-traditional-foods/vol.-11-the-yuko-a-native-japanese-citrus (http://www.tokyofoundation.org/en/topics/japanese-traditional-foods/vol.-11-the-yuko-a-native-japanese-citrus)
Yuzus are so beautifull trees... in fact the only less of this fruit is the huge number of seeds. I just don't get why Japanese don't export nishiki tada trees to Europe and US! :-\
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Another one that i'm trying to find but's i couldn't untill now it's the dekopon mandarine. If there are anyone that knows a place that sells it, please tell me. Thank's! ;D
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Dekopon is a fantastic tasting fruit.
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Dekopon is a fantastic tasting fruit.
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Thank's my friend! Yes it seams to, but impossible to get here in Europe... I'm thinking to grow it by seed because it's nucellar. I will hask if anyone that have it can share some seeds with me... ;D
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Louisport, too bad you did not mention wanting a Dekpon seed before the Citrus Expo. The Dekopon on the judging table had a couple plump seeds. I could have taken one and sent it to you. I have two Dekopon trees, one growing in the ground, and one as a container tree. If I find a seed I'll post it here.
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I'd sure love to have a dekopon seed or two too, Millet :D.
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Your yuzus have less seeds?
What do you mean? The pictures are from a yuko (I corrected the typo), not from a yuzu.
My yuzus are hon yuzus (the common yuzu) and have many seeds but I don't care because the main interest of yuzus is the zest.
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Louisport, to bad you did not mention wanting a Dekpon seed before the Citrus Expo. The Dekopon on the judging table had a couple plump seeds. I could have taken one and sent it to you. I have two Dekopon trees, one growing in the ground, and one as a container tree. If I find a seed I'll post it here.
Thank's a lot my friend! I will wait for your seeds. You are my only hope... ;D
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Your yuzus have less seeds?
What do you mean? The pictures are from a yuko (I corrected the typo), not from a yuzu.
My yuzus are hon yuzus (the common yuzu) and have many seeds but I don't care because the main interest of yuzus is the zest.
Hi! My friend i don't know, my knowlege regarding yuzu is very basic. I don't know much about yuzu varieties... ;D
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Two years ago, I bought this Yuzu.
(https://s7.postimg.cc/tacvlze9z/Yuzu.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tacvlze9z/)
It has quite small leaves and some large thorns.
(https://s7.postimg.cc/esfodw7if/Yuzuthorns.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/esfodw7if/)
It was only this year, when I was told, that it´s grown from seed and has not yet fruited. Therefore, I acquired another Yuzu. The new plant has much larger leaves and small thorns. I suppose, this is the Yuzu most widely grown in European citrus collections.
(https://s7.postimg.cc/bll4ucn3b/Yuzufru.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/bll4ucn3b/)
A comparison of the Yuzu plants. Both are grafted on trifoliate citrus.
(https://s7.postimg.cc/o07wurmc7/Yuzuplants.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/o07wurmc7/)
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The second one looks much better... ;D Congratulations!
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The first one is definitely not a Yuzu. Some papeda, probably ichangensis.
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Another Japanese hibrid using yuzu that seams very interesting is the hyuganatzu... but impossible to get i think. :)
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I believe Hyuganatsu is probably a hybrid between Buntan (pomelo) and yuzu. However, there's no information about whether it demonstrates any unusual cold hardiness.
I planted a pomelo and yuzu right next to each other so hopefully in a few years I can try to see if any of the seeds turn out to be a hybrid.
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an old link about Tadanishiki
http://web.archive.org/web/20160504014613/http://www.nielsrodin.com/blog.html?page=2 (http://web.archive.org/web/20160504014613/http://www.nielsrodin.com/blog.html?page=2)
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The first one is definitely not a Yuzu. Some papeda, probably ichangensis.
Indeed, the plants are very different. Beside the differences already mentioned, the first plant has distinctive pale green leaves. Further, the citrusy smell of crushed leaves is not as perceivable as in the true Yuzu.
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Thank's! ;D
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@Heinrich where did you buy the plants? Are they from Hrn Meeder?
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Eugen Schleipfer
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also keine Yuzu Strada Montana :)
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can't be Yuzu Strada Montana, because my plant isn't mature yet.
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I just picked a fruit off the tree
(https://s7.postimg.cc/9zt6s5h6v/IMG_20171218_145750.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9zt6s5h6v/)
I tasted it and it actually wasn't all that bad, like lemon and Clementine, but very dry (like a rough lemon). It was full of seeds, but I could see eating these in a survival situation or foraging while on a nature hike.
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Hello everyone! Any one knows what variety is yuzu nº3? It's a good one? Thank's! ;D
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It is selected and named by French citrus guru Alias
Citrus junos yuzu n°3 R-18°c maturité:OCT-NOV qualité: XXXXX
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So,
1. it is not strange to buy citrus seeds from seedless cultivar, seedless cultivars have seeds too, but very few, for example 1 seed per 20 fruits.
2. Yuzu does not grow true to type from seed.
3. Because of 2. each village has usually its own cultivar.
Lines are called kei
Important selections are:
1.木頭系(きとう)Kitō-kei (kitō)
2.海野系(かいの)Umino-kei
3.早生種の「山根系」Yamane-kei やまねゆず(はやしげる)Yamane yuzu (haya Shigeru)
The Yamane - kei was selected in Mr. Yamane 's garden in Anan City. Fruits are large and flat.
山根(やまね)
4.平の香(たいらのかおり)Hira no ka (tai-ra no Kaori)
seedling which seems to originate from Yuzu in Kinno village, Naka gun, Tokushima prefecture.
The shape of the fruit is somewhat height compared with the conventional type of Yuzu, and the concave ring around the fruit part protrudes considerably in a disk shape, the peel is yellow orange thick , the fragrance is strong.
5.物部系 Monobe-kei
6.種なしの (多田錦(ただにしき)) Tada nishiki
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2. Yuzu do not grow true to type from seed.
I think I read somewhere that Yuzu is polyembryonic, which would mean it strongly produces mostly nucellar seeds.
However, even if that were not the case I would still expect Yuzu to produce relatively true to seed if pollination did not come from a different variety.
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It is selected and named by French citrus guru Alias
Citrus junos yuzu n°3 R-18°c maturité:OCT-NOV qualité: XXXXX
So this is a good variety right? Thank's!
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I found a lot of info here: http://forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=279&sid=5239860da0fe7ec288f7e20915910f30 (http://forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=279&sid=5239860da0fe7ec288f7e20915910f30)
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http://www.yuzupassion.com/all-about-yuzu (http://www.yuzupassion.com/all-about-yuzu)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=4u2Pa98J6dw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=4u2Pa98J6dw)
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If anyone wonders what the Yuzu aroma is like, it's like a mix of mandarin orange, satsuma mandarin, sour marmalade orange (C. aurantium), and lemon all combined together. There's a lesser note (maybe 25%) of grapefruit in there, and a very slight but discernable note of guava. There's also something very pungently deep and "spicy" about the fragrance of Yuzu, which is probably one of the first things you'll notice when you smell it. It's a very unique citrus smell.
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I once had a Yuzu tree, I remember it as a very sour fruit, literally packed with seeds and very little juice.. I noticed with interest the Okinawan Lime in Louisport post. I lived on Okinawa for a couple years and never seen a single orange tree of any type.
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A video some of you may be interested in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdUq2AVLEn8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdUq2AVLEn8)
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A video some of you may be interested in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdUq2AVLEn8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdUq2AVLEn8)
WOW! What a great video, so inspiring! Thank you very much! I already have 2 yuzu kito, 3 sudachi and one dekopon... ;D
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Yes, indeed a good video!
Louis, are your yuzu trees already in fruiting age?
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Yes, indeed a good video!
Louis, are your yuzu trees already in fruiting age?
No they are vey small. I buy them on DAVAO.
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Adavo has Sudachi? Are you sure? I have been there three weeks ago -no Sudachi. Real Sudachi. Hanayuzu is not Sudachi, that's false.
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Adavo has Sudachi? Are you sure? I have been there three weeks ago -no Sudachi. Real Sudachi. Hanayuzu is not Sudachi, that's false.
No, my sudachi is not from ADAVO. I got it from other place. And of course hanayuzu is not sudachi. I think mine are real because they came from seeds from Japan.
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Here is a list of Yuzu and related Yuzu cultivars in Japan:
`Tochikei yuzu' and `Zai rai kei yuzu' are traditional cultivars of `Yuzu'. `Mukaku yuzu' is a seedless cultivar, while `Yuzu' have seeds in the fruit. It may be considered that `Mukaku yuzu' might have
originated from mutation of `Yuzu'.
Source : https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e607/9a2c6c30fc584b57f780a1470c7daac18e17.pdf (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e607/9a2c6c30fc584b57f780a1470c7daac18e17.pdf)
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Here is a list of Yuzu and related Yuzu cultivars in Japan:
`Tochikei yuzu' and `Zai rai kei yuzu' are traditional cultivars of `Yuzu'. `Mukaku yuzu' is a seedless cultivar, while `Yuzu' have seeds in the fruit. It may be considered that `Mukaku yuzu' might have
originated from mutation of `Yuzu'.
Source : https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e607/9a2c6c30fc584b57f780a1470c7daac18e17.pdf (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e607/9a2c6c30fc584b57f780a1470c7daac18e17.pdf)
Hello my friend. Do you grow yuzu? Thank's!
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Hello my friend. Do you grow yuzu? Thank's!
Hello Luis, not yet but I saw your interest and I think it's a good try. So I will try to get one.
If you told me before, I would have get it when I visited Japan.
I will ask my Japanese friends if they can find the seedless variety `Mukaku yuzu'.
If you grow it from seed, from what I read it takes long time to fruit perhaps 10 years.
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Is Mukaku yuzu the same as tada nishiki?
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Is Mukaku yuzu the same as tada nishiki?
It seems to be different Mukaku yuzu is a yuzu with a genetic abnormality making it seedless.
Tada nishiki is a hybrid of yuzu with seedless small fruits.
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Is Mukaku yuzu the same as tada nishiki?
It seems to be different Mukaku yuzu is a yuzu with a genetic abnormality making it seedless.
Tada nishiki is a hybrid of yuzu with seedless small fruits.
Could you please provide a link
I read many times elsewhere that Tada nishiki is a large fruited seedless Yuzu and assumed that it is just a variety of Mukaku
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Is Mukaku yuzu the same as tada nishiki?
It seems to be different Mukaku yuzu is a yuzu with a genetic abnormality making it seedless.
Tada nishiki is a hybrid of yuzu with seedless small fruits.
Could you please provide a link
I read many times elsewhere that Tada nishiki is a large fruited seedless Yuzu and assumed that it is just a variety of Mukaku
Yes, that's what I thought – hence my question.
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However, what we pick up this time is "Yutako Tada" called Yuzu. Have you heard of the name Tada Nishiki? I knew for the first time I ate this sweet.
What is different between Tada Nishiki and ordinary yuzu is the amount of sprinkle juice. Normal citrus fruit juice is about 18% of the whole, Tada Nishiki surpasses 30%! It is surprising that even this same citron has a difference this much! What is raising this citron is a contract farmer in Okutamiwa, Hyogo prefecture, using high-quality Tada Nishiki obtained locally.
It is sweeter and smaller than seeded Yuzu.
Perhaps there are many varities, I don't know
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Is Mukaku yuzu the same as tada nishiki?
It seems to be different Mukaku yuzu is a yuzu with a genetic abnormality making it seedless.
Tada nishiki is a hybrid of yuzu with seedless small fruits.
Could you please provide a link
I read many times elsewhere that Tada nishiki is a large fruited seedless Yuzu and assumed that it is just a variety of Mukaku
Yes,
Mukaku (無核) is just a word for seedless.
There is
Mukaku Kishu (無核紀州)
Mukaku yuzu
Mukaku sudachi
Mukaku kabosu
It is just general title.
on other hand,
Tada nishiki yuzu
Mushi mukaku sudachi
Yushi mukaku sudachi
Sobonokaori kabosu
are names of specific seedless cultivars.
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So fruit is smaller but juicier.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ygMFwbV8/yuzu.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygMFwbV8)
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So fruit is smaller but juicier.
Well I'm sure there would be more juice if all that space inside wasn't taken up by seeds.
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Some people in Europe do have it, it is larger than an average seeded Yuzu and of course since there are no seeds,it has more juice.
It is not a Yuzu hybrid.
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Some people in Europe do have it, it is larger than an average seeded Yuzu and of course since there are no seeds,it has more juice.
It is not a Yuzu hybrid.
All the pictures I see on Japanese blogs and scientific references (like the paper I posted above) say it's smaller 80g vs seeded 130 g, and that it has a slightly different texture, a bit more sweet. Perhaps those in Europe are a variety made in Europe or who knows what cross.
(1) The fruit weight of seedless yuzu was about half of yuzu's, however, the former is seedless and its yield of juice reached to 30% being twice of the latter's. (2) The acid-sugar ratios of mature-green and mature-yellow seedless yuzu juices were 3.29 and 2.08, respectively, and those of yuzu juices were 1.20 and 2.44
This in plain words means the juice harvest is the same. Seedless yuzu has 30% juice but half size of seeded Yuzu who has 18% juice. Perhaps this is the reason in Japan seeded yuzu is the most cultivated. They also use the skin (oils, extracts, bath etc), so a bigger harvest from seeded yuzu, more cash revenue. Also seedless yuzu is less vigorous.
There is an improperly named, ONI Yuzu who is big and can be also seedless. This is actually not an yuzu, but a hybrid of ichangensis.
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No, it comes directly from Japan, as well as Oni and Lion Yuzu, look at French forums for more information.
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Some people in Europe do have it, it is larger than an average seeded Yuzu and of course since there are no seeds,it has more juice.
It is not a Yuzu hybrid.
Yes but infortunately it's the best kept citrus secret... ::)
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Unfortunately the Japanese strain of CTV was brought with it.
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In fact that scientific article about comparison is quite a nonsense, it is hard to compare yuzu, Ilya correctly used word "average", yuzu do not grow true from seed and there are loads of cultivars, with great variation of size. Yuzu Kito is considered the biggest one, but there are cultivars with half of his size. The diameter of yuzu varies from 4 to 10 cm, depending from cultivar.
Here is yuzu which came from former USSR to former Czechoslovakia selection under name yuzu no. 1 -754.
It has very small fruits and lot of seeds, but juice has great taste, sweet/sour mix of lemon and mandarin.
(https://i.postimg.cc/jWX2TCHx/citrus-Yuzu-s.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jWX2TCHx)
In picture from net you can see comparsion of Hana yuzu 花ユズ, Hong yuzu aka yuzu kitó 本柚子 and Shishi yuzu 獅子柚子 (citrus pseudogulgul).
(https://i.postimg.cc/F78DbHJH/Hanayuzu-Hong-yuzu-Shishi-yuzu-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F78DbHJH)
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Tada Nishiki fruit in Europe
https://web.archive.org/web/20160703172020/http://www.nielsrodin.com/blog/2014/12/02/19-Tadanishiki-yuzu-sans-p%c3%a9pin.aspx (https://web.archive.org/web/20160703172020/http://www.nielsrodin.com/blog/2014/12/02/19-Tadanishiki-yuzu-sans-p%c3%a9pin.aspx)
someone in France with a seedless Yuzu
http://www.forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=460&hilit=tada&start=50 (http://www.forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=460&hilit=tada&start=50)
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In fact that scientific article about comparison is quite a nonsense, it is hard to compare yuzu.
I don't belive the article is a nonsense. It refers to Japanese yuzu, what is grown in Japan. Of course from yuzu there are many variations, but few cultivars. So what I looked is strictly Citrus junos. Sure if people start to grow it from seeds after 20 years we would have many variations. The seeded yuzu în Japan is mostly grafted with variations based on location.
There is one paper with yuzu and it's hybrids with DNA markers whuch list most used cultivars.
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In fact that scientific article about comparison is quite a nonsense, it is hard to compare yuzu.
I don't belive the article is a nonsense. It refers to Japanese yuzu, what is grown in Japan. Of course from yuzu there are many variations, but few cultivars. So what I looked is strictly Citrus junos. Sure if people start to grow it from seeds after 20 years we would have many variations. The seeded yuzu în Japan is mostly grafted with variations based on location.
There is one paper with yuzu and it's hybrids with DNA markers whuch list most used cultivars.
As I wrotte before :
3. each village has usually its own cultivar.
Lines are called kei
Important selections are:
1.木頭系(きとう)Kitō-kei (kitō)
2.海野系(かいの)Umino-kei
3.早生種の「山根系」Yamane-kei やまねゆず(はやしげる)Yamane yuzu (haya Shigeru)
The Yamane - kei was selected in Mr. Yamane 's garden in Anan City. Fruits are large and flat.
山根(やまね)
4.平の香(たいらのかおり)Hira no ka (tai-ra no Kaori)
seedling which seems to originate from Yuzu in Kinno village, Naka gun, Tokushima prefecture.
The shape of the fruit is somewhat height compared with the conventional type of Yuzu, and the concave ring around the fruit part protrudes considerably in a disk shape, the peel is yellow orange thick , the fragrance is strong.
5.物部系 Monobe-kei
6.種なしの (多田錦(ただにしき)) Tada nishiki
In Japan, there is a strong tradition to grow citrus from seeds.
For example parents sow the seed in backyard, when child is born and they know that when the child become adult, the tree will start to fruit.
For example, in Kochi prefecture you have at least 7 different yuzu (citrus junos) cultivars cited in scientific work marked as Kochi 1 .... 7.
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Tada Nishiki fruit in Europe
https://web.archive.org/web/20160703172020/http://www.nielsrodin.com/blog/2014/12/02/19-Tadanishiki-yuzu-sans-p%c3%a9pin.aspx (https://web.archive.org/web/20160703172020/http://www.nielsrodin.com/blog/2014/12/02/19-Tadanishiki-yuzu-sans-p%c3%a9pin.aspx)
someone in France with a seedless Yuzu
http://www.forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=460&hilit=tada&start=50 (http://www.forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=460&hilit=tada&start=50)
Yes but no one is selling plants of it... :-[
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Tada Nishiki fruit in Europe
https://web.archive.org/web/20160703172020/http://www.nielsrodin.com/blog/2014/12/02/19-Tadanishiki-yuzu-sans-p%c3%a9pin.aspx (https://web.archive.org/web/20160703172020/http://www.nielsrodin.com/blog/2014/12/02/19-Tadanishiki-yuzu-sans-p%c3%a9pin.aspx)
someone in France with a seedless Yuzu
http://www.forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=460&hilit=tada&start=50 (http://www.forum-agrumes.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=460&hilit=tada&start=50)
Yes but no one is selling plants of it... :-[
The French somehow are not too eager to share their rare citrus. Either I get a 'no' or no answer at all. Of course, not all are like that but If I had the seedless yuzu I would be sharing it all over Europe - the more the merrier.
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But probably you are not eager to get Japanese tristeza virus with it😊
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The French somehow are not too eager to share their rare citrus. Either I get a 'no' or no answer at all. Of course, not all are like that but If I had the seedless yuzu I would be sharing it all over Europe - the more the merrier.
I am French and I will share it if I had :).
I have a project of Yuzu orchard (for fruit production) but I had lost interest in Tada Nishiki because considered less good although it is more juicy by contrast.
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I did not mean to offend any French , we are good neighbours ;) :). And of course, I do not want tristeza.
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Florian,
In the case of this variety, it is a Belgian problem, not French😈
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The French somehow are not too eager to share their rare citrus. Either I get a 'no' or no answer at all. Of course, not all are like that but If I had the seedless yuzu I would be sharing it all over Europe - the more the merrier.
I am French and I will share it if I had :).
I have a project of Yuzu orchard (for fruit production) but I had lost interest in Tada Nishiki because considered less good although it is more juicy by contrast.
I just like to have one tree for the rarity of it not any business thing...
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The fragrance of Yuzu for me smells like a mixture of Seville Orange (C. aurantium) and lemon, with something a little more pungent/deep about it. The fragrance is mostly in the rind. There's something reminiscent in it of Satsuma mandarin (a slight aromatic terpene or pine-needle like element). The inside has just a little bit of grapefruit in it, with a barely perceptible hint of guava.
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I received my Yuzu. Hope it's a good variety.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9rDvNFpC/DSC-0444.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9rDvNFpC)
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Lebmung your Yuzu tree has SERIOUS thorns. It must have been grown from seed.
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Lebmung your Yuzu tree has so SERIOUS thorns. It must have been grown from seed.
New growth on Yuzu, especially young plants, have lots of big thorns. One of my trees (small to medium sized) has thorns that are more than 2 inches long.
These things could pop a car tire.
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I don’t have yuzu, mine froze to death the first winter, but my nansho dai dai had long thorns like that. It was from seed, not grafted.
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As Millet correctly stated, big thorns are typical for juvenile non fruiting citruses.
I know only few cultivars, which have big thorns and fruits, one is Mandared.
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Lebmung your Yuzu tree has so SERIOUS thorns. It must have been grown from seed.
The plant is grafted. I bought it from a reputable seller, which confirmed me the plant is original and I can expect flowers next year.
Yuzu started to be very popular in Europe, there is one plantation with 8000 plants in Spain, established 3-4 years ago. They claim that Japanese horticulturists visited and tasted the fruit and the quality is the same like in Japan.
And yes the thorns are very big, like 8 cm, a strong nail.
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My smallest Yuzu, but large fruits, very small thorns
(https://a.radikal.ru/a17/1811/b7/11aaa58aad1a.jpg) (https://radikal.ru)
(https://b.radikal.ru/b28/1811/8b/8a796cb9480e.jpg) (https://radikal.ru)
Ready for Yuzucello
(https://d.radikal.ru/d17/1811/9b/b05980a4dec7.jpg) (https://radikal.ru)
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Ilya11 is your Yuzu fruit shown above mostly juice or seeds?
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Juice is also present, in a proportion I would say 70:30 to the seed's volume
(https://b.radikal.ru/b19/1811/58/c951f5c1c445.jpg) (https://radikal.ru)
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Ilya, are these pictures from this season?
Your fruits are much ahead of mine.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0bwBNPDc/IMG-20181109-150806.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0bwBNPDc)
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What are you going to do with all those seeds?
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Yes, they were made this week, we had a very hot summer here.
Usually I use the seeds as pectin source for Yuzu marmalade, but probably it is not necessary, since Yuzu internal membranes are almost entirely pectin.
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Looking for triploids? ;)
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Exactly, last year probably had one, but not 100 % sure
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The oil from the crushed seeds is a very good biostimulant to spray your plants.
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Source(s)?
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I didn't look for any research on this. I saw some products labeled as biostimulants made of citrus seed extracts, perhaps grapefruit.
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hello everyone! Anyone knows what's the best yuzu variety, nº3 or nº4? I have to decide... thank's!
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You better ask on http://www.agrumes-passion.com (http://www.agrumes-passion.com) because these numbers are only used in France.
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You better ask on http://www.agrumes-passion.com (http://www.agrumes-passion.com) because these numbers are only used in France.
I tried to be a member of this forum and another one but they didn't validate my membership
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Yuzu Nr 3 is said to be the best and most frost hardy but I think the range of variation is not that big.
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Yuzu Nr 3 is said to be the best and most frost hardy but I think the range of variation is not that big.
Thank's! The seller said nº4 have more spines but the fruit is biger than nº3...