The Tropical Fruit Forum

I got tons of blooms on young trees with multiple rootstocks if they were grafted with mature scions. If you innarch multiple seedlings together, however, and don’t graft with mature scions, you will create a fast growing tree that won’t bloom for several years.

Simon

Here’s my towering Butterscotch Sapodilla standing a whopping 10 inches tall. Sapodilla are large trees that live a long productive life so even if it’s not precocious, I personally feel it will be worth the wait if the fruit quality is as good as the report from those that have sampled it.





My in ground Alano on the other hand is extremely precocious. It’s about 4 feet tall and 4 feet wide. I tip pruned it very early to promote low scaffold branches and it has flowered well and held fruit, which I removed last year and it’s flowering very well again this year.










This Alano is also grafted with Thomas on an upper branch. I plan on top working much of this tree to Butterscotch in the future.

Here’s the Thomas graft

I’m eager to taste Butterscotch but I’m ok waiting 5-10 years.

Simon

Simon, since I have never tasted the Kaimana, I couldn't compare the taste to Noumichi.

You had the Kaimana fresh at Brad's so what is your review of the two fruits? Do you like the fresh Hawaii Kaimana more than these Weee Noumichi?

I purchased a second box of the Noumichi and I still think it tastes better than any other variety that I had.

Hey Kaz,

The fresh Hawaiian Kaimana were better than the imported No Mai Tsze. The Kaimana at least had a hint of Lychee/rose scent and flavor. It is also large, sweet, juicy and just tasted fresher than the No Mai Tsze.

The NMT weren’t bad but I know how they taste when they are fresh and there is no comparison. The NMT just tasted like a generic Lychee from the supermarket.

Simon

Out of my 10s graft this spring, my worst and most terrible graft took on 1in leftover rootstock. It's a freaking marker-size scion and bigger than the rootstock. Yangmei lottery
Already at 3feets growth. 100f+ whole summer and it kept going nonstop

Congratulations! What variety did you graft? I’d much rather have a successful graft that’s ugly than a beautiful graft that failed.

Simon

Thanks for the heads up, this is the first time I’ve seen it for sale in the USA. I just ordered 4 lbs to try out. Hopefully the hot water treatment or irradiation won’t affect the flavor too much.

I’d love to hear your taste report once you sample them. They also have another variety for sale at Wee called yuhebao. I’ll report back with a taste report once I receive my order on Sunday or Monday.

Simon

Future, that is awesome! I hope Chris does a video on this seedling of hers. It could be a game changer if it tastes like LZ or OS and have better disease resistance.

Simon

Yes, it is totally worth it to grow mono versions of Polyembryonic varieties. This applies only if you have the space to experiment. The mono version of Polyembryonic varieties have approximately 50% of its genes from the maternal parent so if those genes happen to have some beneficial traits from the mother tree, you could get those traits in the fruit of that seedling. Same goes with regular mono varieties.

With the mono version of Polyembryonic varieties, there is the possibility that the single seedling is selfed, it pollinated itself when the fruit was formed, or it was pollinated with another variety(zygotic). In either of these scenarios, there will be a mixing of the genes.

For Lemon Zest as an example, if the seedling was a result of selfing, you know that there is citrus in the genotype/phenotype and selfing may or may not enhance those traits. You could get fruit or growth characteristics that are better than the parent but you could also enhance the bad traits as well!

If the LZ seedling was cross pollinated with another variety, you could a seedling that produces completely different fruit but it could also be very similar to the original parent type fruit depending on what genes are dominant. I know nothing about mango genetics so other factors can play a role in this respect.

I’ve actually been planting E4, Sweet Tart and Lemon Zest seedlings in hopes of growing and fruiting a zygotic seedling (non-clone) in the hopes of getting a better version of the fruit/tree.

It would be awesome to get LZ that is precocious and highly productive without spraying. An E4 that has less fiber and changes color when ripe would be great. Sweet Tart, hmmm, not much I’d change but who knows, maybe it could somehow taste better or grow even more vigorous for me.

Simon

Quote from: simon_grow on July 19, 2023, 07:19:44 PM

Lemon Zest can have mono seeds. I’m not sure if the resulting seedling will be a clone or zygotic.

I’ve got both mono and Polyembryonic seeds from Maha.

Simon

Thanks Simon,
Can a LZ Tree produce Mono and Poly seeds? Other 2 Maha seeds are Mono too...

Yes. LZ can produce mono and poly seeds. Most of my Maha seeds have mono seeds but I recently found one with a Polyembryonic seed. It had multiple segments and after some incubation, the multiple segments produced separate roots. I normally wouldn’t grow out a Maha seed but this one intrigued me.

I believe Harry Hausman also planted out a poly Maha seed and he fruited one of the seedlings but if I remember correctly, the seedling that he chose happened to be the zygotic seedling so the fruit was completely different.

Simon

Great video From Sulcata Grove. Looks like another mango variety to add to my cocktail tree.

Simon

Lemon Zest can have mono seeds. I’m not sure if the resulting seedling will be a clone or zygotic.

I’ve got both mono and Polyembryonic seeds from Maha.

Simon

Quote from: JCorte on July 19, 2023, 09:33:14 AM

Shane,
That is exciting!  How old is your seedling?  How did it taste?

Janet

Also want to know this! Doesn't look all that big.

Shane’s tree was large according to a previous picture he posted. It went up to his roofline. I’ve seen videos of smaller potted trees fruiting however.

Simon

The roots grow super fast and I severely burned a few of my trees when I didn’t water them enough on a hot day. Once the roots reach the side of the container, it’s almost time to up pot. Wusu is supposedly a very good tasting variety! Good growing and please keep us updated!

Simon