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Hi, I've had a bunchosia argentea (so said the tag when purchased) for several years now.  It was languishing in the ground outside so I dug it up and potted it in my greenhouse a year and a half ago.  Now it's flowering for the first time, but I'm not sure what to do.  Do I have to shake the blossoms or hand pollinate with a paintbrush to get fruit?  Are there seperate male and female blossoms?  Does anyone have experience growing this in a greenhouse that they can share with me?  I'd appreciate any advice.

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The best jackfruit I've had was an unidentified fruit from a farmers market, it had wonderfully soft, smooth, superior orange flesh and a delicious sweet flavor.  I don't prefer crunchy, chewy, acidic fruits.  If I did I wouldn't bother with tropicals in the first place,  there are plenty of unripe pears and apples in the world to fill that niche. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The humble pumpkin
« on: October 04, 2012, 06:45:32 PM »
That sounds good to me--much better then the eggs, flour and other crap in processed pumpkin pies. 

Locally grown steamed kabocha (orange and green) squash are a staple in my diet.  I've had no significant results from growing them myself, but they are one of my favorite foods. 

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I would say I'm an A-, since the lowlands are very close by, there is really no reason for me to go to extreme lengths to grow something that I can buy fifteen minutes down the hill.  Then again, there is no guidebook written specifically for my microclimate, so I didn't realize bananas wouldn't work until a friend gave me a bundle of pups and I wasted a lot of time on them.  I should note, however, that living in an arid climate with poor soil, there are no fruit trees I currently grow that will live without irrigation and fertilization, regardless of how adapted they are to my temperatures.  So, I still have to take care of them. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passionfruit showdown
« on: August 31, 2012, 03:29:06 PM »
Personally, I don't use sweeteners so I need fruits that I can just eat as-is, so I'd much rather something was bland as opposed to acid.  I could eat more than a dozen ligularis at a sitting without getting ulcers, which is much appreciated. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passionfruit showdown
« on: August 30, 2012, 01:28:20 AM »
Great pictures, that last one looks like it could be a mango!  I recently planted some P. ligularis seeds, which are my favorite for having no acidity whatsoever. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some pictures of my trees
« on: August 19, 2012, 05:20:26 PM »

The lava flow that you live on is a lot older than where i live. This area was flowed on in 1955, yet our area is full of trees. So it's not just the age, it is the rainfall. In very dry areas lava flows remain lava flows for a very long time.

Yes, that is much more recent--and it makes sense that the dryer climate would make the regeneration much slower (especially since Ohias aren't very fast-growing anyway.) 


John, most people think of coastal areas of Hawaii as defining the region, but these are volcanic, mountainous islands--the further up you go, the cooler it becomes.  At 13,000+ feet at the top of Mauna Loa, there is snow much of the year.  Since I can't stand air conditioning, woodsmoke, or electric heating, a mild climate suits me just fine, and a twenty minute drive brings me to sea level and places where strictly tropical fruits are abundant. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some pictures of my trees
« on: August 19, 2012, 01:13:14 AM »
I've heard that in Volcano village (3800 feet elevation) they have some fruit flies. So it might be a combination of cool weather and strong breezes at your location that help to keep down fruit fly population. Also maybe lack of dense vegetation in your area due to low rainfall?

Yes, the cool weather and strong winds here in Kau contribute to it.  However, the lack of dense vegetation is really more a result of the native forest not having regenerated yet from the last lava flow. 

John, the average temperature range is 50-70 degrees Fahrenheit.  There are only subtle changes during the year--generally it's rainier and cooler during winter-spring, but from my observation it's variable.  We usually get clouds and mist every day in mid-afternoon. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some pictures of my trees
« on: August 18, 2012, 09:56:32 PM »
No, it's not really a weather problem--since fruit flies are a relatively recent and unfortunate introduction to the Hawaiian islands.  Having grown tamarillo, pepino, naranjila, poha, etc. and knowing their distant relation to tomatoes, I certainly haven't forgotten that they are essentially tropical myself.  But I'm very glad we don't have many fruit flies on my property and they've never stung my tomatoes or other crops. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some pictures of my trees
« on: August 18, 2012, 07:52:30 PM »
Tomatoes grow fine in the lowlands. Remember tomato is a tropical plants, just widely adapted and usually grown as an annual.
BTW that Hawaii Organic Gardening Guide in my opinion is very dated, in fact it's out of print. I think it was published over 30 years ago. The author, Shunyam Nirav, was coming out with a new and improved second edition, but unfortunately passed away before he could finish it and so it was never published.

They grow fine at low elevation, but often the tomatoes need special protection from fruit flies--like a screen-house (or people will only grow cherry tomatoes or hybrids with skin), and can have additional problems with fungus that are also not present in my growing conditions.  But of course those issues won't be universal across what we call the "lowlands," it's just what I've heard some people complain about.   That's interesting about the Hawaii Organic Growing Guide--I had wondered why there was no newer edition.  It is quite dated and limited in it's information though, I try to look to other localized sources such as Ken Love's website when I can. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some pictures of my trees
« on: August 18, 2012, 06:34:45 PM »
Thanks Jackfruitwhisperer, the melons are as good as they look--very sweet and aromatic. 


Jackfruit will grow, but will not fruit at above 2500 ft. Kona side. Here on this wet/cloudy side of island will not fruit above 2000. Same is true for breadfruit.

Oh, thanks for letting me know!  I'm glad now that I gave some of those seedlings to friends a few thousand feet below us; maybe they'll share their harvest with me someday. 

Xeno, one of my other nectarine trees that is older has already flowered and put out little fruits (which I picked off because it's the first year.)  Nectarines won't grow well at sea level, but here at 3,600 feet elevation they're very comfortable and happy.  I can also grow big heirloom tomatoes outdoors up here, which people in the lowlands can't do.   You can grow anything in Hawaii if you can find the right microclimate.  Some agricultural land is as high as 6,000 feet. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some pictures of my trees
« on: August 18, 2012, 04:55:27 PM »
Thanks guys.  The "soil" here is more lava rock then anything else--I need to mix in a lot of compost and manure to plant anything.  There are no nenes up here to eat the Ohelo berries, but they grow entirely on their own--I didn't plant any.  The Hawaii organic growing guide says jackfruit can grow at up to 4,000 feet and can tolerate wind, so I thought I would give it a chance in the unprotected part of my gardens.  I don't have the room for it in the greenhouse, but they're just seedlings so if they don't do well I can yank them and plant more rose apples, mullberries, or guava's in that windy space. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some pictures of my trees
« on: August 17, 2012, 10:03:56 PM »
Thanks Tim, the ohelo's taste sort of like wild blueberries, some are sweeter than others. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some pictures of my trees
« on: August 17, 2012, 09:42:57 PM »

five year old avocado seedling

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some pictures of my trees
« on: August 17, 2012, 09:30:36 PM »

one of my three chayote vines, with tomatoes in the background


yacon


Many different kinds of ohelo berries grow on our property






my strawberry pot full of berries


one of three jackfruit seedlings I just planted out. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some pictures of my trees
« on: August 17, 2012, 09:29:59 PM »

Peanut butter fruit tree...it was healthy and green when I brought it home nearly two years ago, but has always looked like this; I think because it wants more heat so I'm considering digging it up and putting inside the greenhouse with my moringa trees. 


My other greenhouse where I start my seedlings and grow some heat-loving fruits and vegetables.


greenhouse melons


and peppers.


white fleshed pineapples


dragonfruit

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some pictures of my trees
« on: August 17, 2012, 09:29:26 PM »

Row of 9 low-chill blueberry plants

 
Two year old tamarillo seedling


Last year's harvest


Two new tamarillo seedlings and one of ten young fig trees I planted this year, with recently planted grafted fujikawa avocado on the far right.


container garden of citrus and figs


Jiro persimmon (fuyu type)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Some pictures of my trees
« on: August 17, 2012, 09:28:56 PM »
I have five acres at high elevation on the dry side of Big Island Hawaii, and these are some of my trees/fruiting plants. 


Selma Cherimoya, in-ground 1 1/2 years. 


Another Selma Cherimoya


Cherimoya seedling


Denzler White Sapote, one year in ground


Moringa PKM1 seedings in greenhouse, six months old. 


The most vigorous of my three low-chill Dessert Delight nectarines, planted six months ago. 

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I was going to say, canistel and mangoes make a good smoothie; preferably I would add several apple-bananas for creaminess, but never salt.  But mangos aren't really that rare or special to me, I don't go crazy over them. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pics of "Guillermo" Ilama and others
« on: July 12, 2012, 03:04:37 PM »
That ilama is beautiful--almost ghostly, ethereal.  Great pictures. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat,Passiflora edulis and S.jambos
« on: June 24, 2012, 04:15:24 PM »

I find rose apples delightful. Some people are put off by the rose smell, which they don't associate normally with food. Main problem with rose apples is they are a magnet for fruit flies, just like guava. Also they were a horrible weed here. Anyway now the rose apple is just a distant memory. They were all wiped out by guava rust (Puccinia psidii) a few years ago. Should be called rose apple rust as the rose apples are much more susceptible to it than guavas, at least the version of the rust we have here.

I really like rose apples when they start to get some brown streaks on the skin; very sweet and refreshing rose flavor...  I've just recently bought some on Kona-side of the island, so I guess the rust must not be as bad over there?  And my friend knows of a wild tree relatively near the area where I live, so I'm hoping the seeds I just planted will have some chance of growing into healthy trees.  Would growing them in a greenhouse prevent this rust if it's windborne? 

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The royal purples are beautiful!  I hope they taste just as good.   Thanks for sharing. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Wonder of Wonderberries
« on: May 20, 2012, 04:44:11 PM »
From my experience, they taste terribly bitter, and are extremely weedy--if you let any fruit fall to the ground, you'll never see the end of them. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Vegies with your fruit?
« on: May 14, 2012, 08:01:30 PM »
Conden your climate must be very similar to the Atherton Tablelands adjacent to me where a big diversity of fruit and veg. grown in volcanic soils.

Yes, it sounds similar except I'm too high for things like mangoes that I've read grow in Atherton. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Vegies with your fruit?
« on: May 13, 2012, 11:38:26 PM »
Some times I do wish it was warmer up here, but the mild weather is great for growing vegetables and many subtropicals. 

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