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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: HMHausman on January 19, 2013, 09:01:32 PM
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Mangoes and lychees have center stage at my place. Here's what a few look like at the moment:
Hak Ip Lychee
(http://s9.postimage.org/uun211vrv/128_2803.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/uun211vrv/)
Mauritius Lychee
(http://s7.postimage.org/fhii66lev/128_2807.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fhii66lev/)
Extrema Mango
(http://s9.postimage.org/6krs15ixn/128_2804.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6krs15ixn/)
Angie mango
(http://s14.postimage.org/hpu76sai5/128_2805.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/hpu76sai5/)
Okrung Mango
(http://s9.postimage.org/um39gcn4r/128_2806.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/um39gcn4r/)
Grafted Kai Maprang from Frankie's Nursery
(http://s2.postimage.org/k90p84cet/128_2802.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/k90p84cet/)
It is having a secondary bloom after being in full bloom for a couple of weeks. I didn't see any fruit set until:
(http://s8.postimage.org/xkwuh5jjl/128_2801.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xkwuh5jjl/)
Edited to correct Maprang from Wan to Kai.
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Great pics! Hope your maprang keeps the fruit. Looks like you will have a decent mango crop this year. :)
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With the lack of cold so far this season I was worried about the Lychee bloom but your trees seem to be doing pretty well. My Hak Ip tree is blooming fairly nicely but the other types are not.
Tony
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Nice pictures, I noticed a zillion little Angies on that tree :o
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Nice blooming and fruit set.... I need a second blooming for a good mango season. Am hoping for one.
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Wow Harry, your trees look incredible, I'd hate to have pollen allergies around there!
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Harry
Looks like another sensational year! June is just around the corner.
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Nice pics Harry!
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Wow Harry, so much bloom going on over there. Strangely in sharp contrast to what I have going on .... I have very limited mango bloom, and Zero Lychee .
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I find it most amazing ;) ;D is that you have what seems to be a dead citrus tree in front of your Hak Ip holding a ripe fruit...
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I love your trees!
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With the lack of cold so far this season I was worried about the Lychee bloom but your trees seem to be doing pretty well. My Hak Ip tree is blooming fairly nicely but the other types are not.
Tony
Same thing at my buddy George's place...his Hakip Lychee is fully loaded with blooms but not so much with his other Lychees
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I find it most amazing ;) ;D is that you have what seems to be a dead citrus tree in front of your Hak Ip holding a ripe fruit...
Well sir, I find it quite amazing that you don't see life in my Satsuma Madarin var. Owari. In fact, if you look closely, you'll see two fruits still on the tree. They were both picked and eaten today and were actually quite good. So I accept your apologies, in advance, for calling my tree dead when it was only in devastating decline. You need to pay more attention to these details.
Thanks to everyone else for the kind words.
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I find it most amazing ;) ;D is that you have what seems to be a dead citrus tree in front of your Hak Ip holding a ripe fruit...
Well sir, I find it quite amazing that you don't see life in my Satsuma Madarin var. Owari. In fact, if you look closely, you'll see two fruits still on the tree. They were both picked and eaten today and were actually quite good. So I accept your apologies, in advance, for calling my tree dead when it was only in devastating decline. You need to pay more attention to these details.
Thanks to everyone else for the kind words.
Counselor, while I did overlook that second hint of orange which was your second fruit, you have overlooked the facts...if you read again, you will see I did say, "what seems to be a dead citrus tree", and the key word is "seems"..so, the apologies that I am sure you will wish to direct MY way are accepted in advance and no need to reiterate. With this, I shall rest and I believe this case is closed.
Oh, the ruling...go out there and either save that Satsuma or replace it with something a little more hardy (I purposefully left out the option of planting a dragon fruit at the base of the tree cause, well, I am not a fan of the Pitaya).
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thanks for sharing!
congrats on the maprang. It looks like it would be easy to fruit in a container...I'm surprised how red the small fruit is!
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I know where to go to buy okrung mangoes and hack ip lychee this year :-). How has the productivity of Mrs Angie been for you? What was last year's crop like?
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nice work Harry....or perhaps staying out of the way and letting mother NAture
do her thing!
Puglvr showed a pick of one tree that flowered profusely (her Glenn) but hardly
set any fruits if any at all. She thinks maybe the warm weather had something to
do with it...
Does your opinion align with hers (in general of course - :-\ ) with this respect to warm
weather heading into the blooming season?
gary
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How has the productivity of Mrs Angie been for you? What was last year's crop like?
I've been quite impressed with Angie on just about all fronts. The tree is still relatively small. Trying to remember when it was planted. I think I got it from the Fairchild Festival 3 years ago (some forum moderator type will fact check me back to Garden Web and let me know if I am off on this). Anyway, the tree has produced, for at least two years, very nice crops.......given the small size of the tree. The flowering has been consistent, the fruit set (without spraying) has been very good, the disease resistance has been great, and most of all the eating quality of the fruit is superb.....one of the very best. The tree was about half its present size last year and I think it produced about 10 large and luscious fruits.
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Puglvr showed a pick of one tree that flowered profusely (her Glenn) but hardly
set any fruits if any at all. She thinks maybe the warm weather had something to
do with it...
Does your opinion align with hers with this respect to warm
weather heading into the blooming season?
gary
My thoughts on the current mango season are evolving and I am not in a position to fully agree with or disagree with anything or anyone. Over the years I have grown mangoes with impunity. I didn't pay all that much attention to some of these details. Since I joined these fruit forum crowds, I have begun to look at, think about and even chronicle all these different growing conditions and their effects on crops. What I can say about this year, so far, is that it isn't like any year in recent memory. In some years we have had cool or cold and dry weather predominate. This led to lots of powdery mildew. It was clearly visible......almost like a white/gray frosting on the bloom pannicles. In other years we have had wet and warm weather and that kept the powdery mildew at bay, but the anthracnose ran rampant. This year we had a brief cold spell, early, and then very warm, but more dry weather than we have had in the recent past (at least when it was warm). Flowering, at least on some trees, has definitely been affected by the lack of cold and abundance of warmth. Interestingly, some mangoes like Rosiegold, which usually require spraying to get any crop at all, have set a reasonable amount of fruit without spraying. There ares still many fruitlets that have the black anthracnose spotting, but not all fruits were affected, as has occurred in the past. Also, Ice Cream, which has a terrible setting fruit at my house, is going to have a crop when in past years there has been little or none.
In conclusion...although not fully concluded, my best theory is that the warmth should help with fruit set (pollen active and more pollinators present) rather than limit fruit set. I think there might be something else going on on trees that don't set fruits under these warm conditions. I have some of these, by the way. Alphonso, in its own inimitable way, is not setting any fruits again..... even though I see no obvious fungal pathogens on the tree. I haven't done a complete survey of all my trees. I have to look closer at my Glenn and report further. I do not see very much fruit set on Imam Pasand. However it is only flowering for the first time. I'll go do some more analysis when I get some time.
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Harry, what mango varieties would you say for sure, are the most trouble free, regular bearers, that you have ?
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Harry, what mango varieties would you say for sure, are the most trouble free, regular bearers, that you have ?
If you are asking about the champion producers year in and year out at my house, without regard to eating experience, I would include the following:
Tommy Atkins, Florigon, Pickering, Nam Doc Mai See Tong (Sia Tong), Brahm KaI Mea (Meu), Rataul, Dian Guaw (something that I have that is probably mis-named but has not been further identified), and Keow Savoy. That would be my top of the top tier. Angie is a possible addition to this club. Just below these would be the next group that are very productive and relatively carefree. They would include:
Beverly, Carrie, Chou Anon (consistant, just not everbearing as advertised at my house), Glenn, Duncan, Maha Chanok, Golden Nugget, Extrema, Graham, Irwin, Philippine, Southern Blush, Kent, Jean Ellen, Tebow (Young), Parvin, Palmer, Cogshall, Po Pyo Kalay, Tong Dam, Van Dyke, Vallanato, Valencia Pride, Neelam, Nam Doc Mai, Hatcher, Thai Everbearing, and Keitt.
I think that covers it....as best as I can remember, anyway.
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Thanks for this, Harry. This is excellent. How are the gold nuggets in your soil? I had a couple from zands (couple miles away from me) that were extremely good.
Harry, what mango varieties would you say for sure, are the most trouble free, regular bearers, that you have ?
If you are asking about the champion producers year in and year out at my house, without regard to eating experience, I would include the following:
Tommy Atkins, Florigon, Pickering, Nam Doc Mai See Tong (Sia Tong), Brahm KaI Mea (Meu), Rataul, Dian Guaw (something that I have that is probably mis-named but has not been further identified), and Keow Savoy. That would be my top of the top tier. Angie is a possible addition to this club. Just below these would be the next group that are very productive and relatively carefree. They would include:
Beverly, Carrie, Chou Anon (consistant, just not everbearing as advertised at my house), Glenn, Duncan, Maha Chanok, Golden Nugget, Extrema, Graham, Irwin, Philippine, Southern Blush, Kent, Jean Ellen, Tebow (Young), Parvin, Palmer, Cogshall, Po Pyo Kalay, Tong Dam, Van Dyke, Vallanato, Valencia Pride, Neelam, Nam Doc Mai, Hatcher, Thai Everbearing, and Keitt.
I think that covers it....as best as I can remember, anyway.
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How are the gold nuggets in your soil? I had a couple from zands (couple miles away from me) that were extremely good.
I would call them good on the Excellent, Good, Fair, Poor scale. They produce consistently and later in the season and have a nice flavor and fiber-less flesh. In this mango snob crowd we hang around with here on the forum they will not be considered a top tier mango, but in the real world, they're pretty darned good.
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Here is an update of Harry's yard from around 3 years ago to compare: http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg02214143673.html (http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg02214143673.html)
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Hi Harry, Any chance you can arrange this list according to your taste preference?
Any body else that has tasted some or all on this, list please chime in too.
I've only tasted a few of these, but I have eight of these planted out...
Harry, what mango varieties would you say for sure, are the most trouble free, regular bearers, that you have ?
If you are asking about the champion producers year in and year out at my house, without regard to eating experience, I would include the following:
Tommy Atkins, Florigon, Pickering, Nam Doc Mai See Tong (Sia Tong), Brahm KaI Mea (Meu), Rataul, Dian Guaw (something that I have that is probably mis-named but has not been further identified), and Keow Savoy. That would be my top of the top tier. Angie is a possible addition to this club. Just below these would be the next group that are very productive and relatively carefree. They would include:
Beverly, Carrie, Chou Anon (consistant, just not everbearing as advertised at my house), Glenn, Duncan, Maha Chanok, Golden Nugget, Extrema, Graham, Irwin, Philippine, Southern Blush, Kent, Jean Ellen, Tebow (Young), Parvin, Palmer, Cogshall, Po Pyo Kalay, Tong Dam, Van Dyke, Vallanato, Valencia Pride, Neelam, Nam Doc Mai, Hatcher, Thai Everbearing, and Keitt.
I think that covers it....as best as I can remember, anyway.
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Hope the maprang holds for you. When mine held fruit about 6 or so fruit set and then they slowly thinned themselves down to one. Your tree looks like it is putting on some nice sice. Both of mine got badly damaged by the freeze before I got my GH up. Both will survive but there definitely won't be any fruit for me this season.
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Harry, what mango varieties would you say for sure, are the most trouble free, regular bearers, that you have ?
If you are asking about the champion producers year in and year out at my house, without regard to eating experience, I would include the following:
Tommy Atkins, Florigon, Pickering, Nam Doc Mai See Tong (Sia Tong), Brahm KaI Mea (Meu), Rataul, Dian Guaw (something that I have that is probably mis-named but has not been further identified), and Keow Savoy. That would be my top of the top tier. Angie is a possible addition to this club. Just below these would be the next group that are very productive and relatively carefree. They would include:
Beverly, Carrie, Chou Anon (consistant, just not everbearing as advertised at my house), Glenn, Duncan, Maha Chanok, Golden Nugget, Extrema, Graham, Irwin, Philippine, Southern Blush, Kent, Jean Ellen, Tebow (Young), Parvin, Palmer, Cogshall, Po Pyo Kalay, Tong Dam, Van Dyke, Vallanato, Valencia Pride, Neelam, Nam Doc Mai, Hatcher, Thai Everbearing, and Keitt.
I think that covers it....as best as I can remember, anyway.
Baileys Marvel ? :)
I'm beyond jealous of your gorgeous collection.
Is your Tommy Atkins blooming well this year? The huge tree by my office has bloomed very well, at least for the last 5 years. And it has produced a ton of fruit. This year there are only some sporadic blooms way up top.
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Where does okrung fit in there? I remember you saying it was a strong producer at your pad.
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Baileys Marvel ? :)
Great mango, but finicky...at my house anyway. Good bloomer, but poor fruit setter here out west in the east everglades.
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Is your Tommy Atkins blooming well this year? The huge tree by my office has bloomed very well, at least for the last 5 years. And it has produced a ton of fruit. This year there are only some sporadic blooms way up top.
I only have a small token Tommy Atkins....just for the sake of completeness of collection. However, my neighbors have 7 of them. The trees have a bloomed, but somewhat sporadically. But from what I can see, there will still be good fruit set.
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Where does okrung fit in there? I remember you saying it was a strong producer at your pad.
Oops....Okrung is a candidate for elite status as well. I have always had good crops except for last year. There was a crop, but it was not heavy as it usually is. This year it will return to heavy production. It is a carefree producer and one of my favorite mangoes to dehydrate.
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Hi Harry, Any chance you can arrange this list according to your taste preference?
No, no chance at all. First, because my preference would differ from year to year and from fruit to fruit. Second, my preferences might not be yours or anyone else's. I bought the mango trees I bought because someone, whom I thought was of sufficient knowledge and experience, thought that the fruit was of excellent eating quality. You should try them to rate them for yourself. You have an invitation to stop by during mango season to do taste testing.
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Damn!
And I'm guessing that "someone" was you...
Fair enough, I guess I'll just have to wait until a tasting season...
Many thanks Counselor.
Hi Harry, Any chance you can arrange this list according to your taste preference?
No, no chance at all. First, because my preference would differ from year to year and from fruit to fruit. Second, my preferences might not be yours or anyone else's. I bought the mango trees I bought because someone, whom I thought was of sufficient knowledge and experience, thought that the fruit was of excellent eating quality. You should try them to rate them for yourself. You have an invitation to stop by during mango season to do taste testing.
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Hi Harry,
Always great to see your slice of paradise...Looks like it's going to be a prosperous mango and lychee year for you 8)
Thanks for sharing :)
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Harry's space is simply amazing. A standard bearer of excellence. Thanks for sharing man.
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No posts on this forum are more inspirational/jealousy-inducing than yours, Harry! I can't wait to see all the fruit pics in a few months. [drools]
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Harry (and the others who've tried the angie), what is the level of acidity in the angie? Is it more of a 'sweet' mango or a sweet and tart mango?
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Harry (and the others who've tried the angie), what is the level of acidity in the angie? Is it more of a 'sweet' mango or a sweet and tart mango?
Sorry Cookie Man, its sweet.
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Jeff,
I have only tasted Angie once at Harry’s. I believe Clint brought them. I am not sure how helpful this will be to you but I remember it being very good. I do not remember thinking it had any zing. As a rule, I do not like things that are solely sweet. I like a blend of sweet and tart and both in moderation, enjoying higher levels of tart than sweet. That being said and looking back through the fog of seven months, I would say it was medium-low on the tart scale. Of all the mango varieties I tasted, it was the one tree I bought when I still lived at my other house with no space for another tree for that property, planning to wedge it in somewhere. Luckly, I did not put it in the ground and I have planted it in a spot of honor at my new house.
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Harry (and the others who've tried the angie), what is the level of acidity in the angie? Is it more of a 'sweet' mango or a sweet and tart mango?
Angie is very sweet but also has a little "Indian mango" flavor to it.
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HAHAHAHA that probably puts it into wife's realm of like. Is it creamy? or completely fiberless?
Harry (and the others who've tried the angie), what is the level of acidity in the angie? Is it more of a 'sweet' mango or a sweet and tart mango?
Sorry Cookie Man, its sweet.
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HAHAHAHA that probably puts it into wife's realm of like. Is it creamy? or completely fiberless?
Harry (and the others who've tried the angie), what is the level of acidity in the angie? Is it more of a 'sweet' mango or a sweet and tart mango?
Sorry Cookie Man, its sweet.
Yes, its fiber free and creamy. Now that Tony mentions it, I mivht agree that it has some characteristics of an Indian mango (I am not comparing it to say mallika although that wouldn't be a bad thing) which maybe that is a factor why I feel it will or at should wind up on the top of many taste tests.
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You have an invitation to stop by during mango season to do taste testing.
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Do you think the mango season will be earlier than usual this year?
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Harry you haved a big yard.I thought I had the origin of the Kai sorted out but I'm not so sure because it is not used in thailand like wan or mayon chid.It could be a corruption of the word for chicken but that doesn't make sense.It probably is a variety in the wan group as they have a trinomial naming system.
The red on the fruit won't last long.I have seen mayom chids here the same size with so many fruit the branches are busting.Okrung is a classic mango and one of my favorites by the way.
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I took a bunch of pictures today. I'm going to post them here, but I am running our of steam for the night......so to be continued tomorrow. In the meantime:
(http://s14.postimage.org/y07ucxfel/128_2814.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/y07ucxfel/)
A few young Graham mangoes in juvenile stage against the back drop of a gorgeous blue Florida sky. Good night.
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Harry you haved a big yard.I thought I had the origin of the Kai sorted out but I'm not so sure because it is not used in thailand like wan or mayon chid.It could be a corruption of the word for chicken but that doesn't make sense.It probably is a variety in the wan group as they have a trinomial naming system.
The red on the fruit won't last long.I have seen mayom chids here the same size with so many fruit the branches are busting.Okrung is a classic mango and one of my favorites by the way.
Mike, I think Kai means "sea" in Hawaiian (It's my nephew's name as well, that's why I was initially interested in getting the Kai maprang). I think it may just be a Hawaiian name that they picked that doesn't have a Thai connection?
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Sheehan it is all coming back to me now and you said all that before.It makes sense all right.
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Sheehan it is all coming back to me now and you said all that before.It makes sense all right.
Hopefully that fruit makes it to maturity and then Harry will be able to have a tasting and 10 of us will split the egg sized fruit and will be of no help in determining its pedigree because it is unlikely that any of us will have any sort of maprang cultivar experience to refer to. I will make sure Harry documents this event well for the forum. I may even whip out my handy refractometer.
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Classic Movie Line #34 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYlDbv7MqE8#)
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Pickering.......blooming reliably, setting fruit reliably and keeping small in growth habit
(http://s8.postimage.org/sua456oyp/128_2813.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sua456oyp/)
Hak Ip Lychee.....actually one of three I have planted out. It was the last planted out, however, since my original planting was knocked over by Hurricane Wilma, it is now probably my largest Hak Ip.
(http://s14.postimage.org/ai9egxg3h/128_2815.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ai9egxg3h/)
First noticed fruit set in November, Caimitos are sizing up.....but painfully slowly.
(http://s2.postimage.org/i6ro7yclh/128_2818.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/i6ro7yclh/)
Brewster Lychee. Three foot something maprang in the forefront (for scale). Malay Apple to the right. Jakfruit to the left.
(http://s7.postimage.org/rm8xizuxz/128_2819.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rm8xizuxz/)
Seedling jakfruit fruit set. Not much else going on on the jakfruit front....only an occasional fruit here and there.
(http://s8.postimage.org/t027xou01/128_2820.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/t027xou01/)
Malay Apple. The tree has bloomed for the first time this past year. However, the bloom has always been light and sporadic with a fruit cluster here and there but no wholesale bloom with the ground covered in magenta flower parts...as I have seen elsewhere.
(http://s9.postimage.org/wdkkeipwr/128_2822.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wdkkeipwr/)
Mammee apple slowly but surely gaining size. Should be about softball size when mature......sometime early summer.
(http://s1.postimage.org/ohuwq7kx7/128_2821.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ohuwq7kx7/)
More coming.
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Canistel var. Bruce........not much appreciated at my house. Attractive fruit and tree when the bugs aren't demolishing the leaves.
(http://s8.postimage.org/olgezzw81/128_2823.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/olgezzw81/)
Maha Chanok mangoes......tree #3. Fruiting much heavier than the other trees for some reason.
(http://s14.postimage.org/yx57yvpod/128_2824.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/yx57yvpod/)
Mainly a stand of carambola that was a selection from Possum Trot Nursery. Bell is the scrawny tree on the far right.
(http://s14.postimage.org/c4qswss71/128_2825.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/c4qswss71/)
Black Sapote.
(http://s13.postimage.org/mk9kbass3/128_2826.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mk9kbass3/)
More coming....there'll be a brief time out for familial obligations.
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Harry,
Please refresh our memories, how much pesticides and fungicides do you usually spray? How detrimental to you fruiting are those few leaf bites and occasional spots of sooty mold? Based on some of the things I've been reading on this forum, you possibly could not be getting any fruit set with a few leaf bites or bugs on your trees. Those mangos will all fall off and die to fungus as well, so you must be spraying gallons of copper and imidacloprid over your entire acreage.
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Harry,
Please refresh our memories, how much pesticides and fungicides do you usually spray? How detrimental to you fruiting are those few leaf bites and occasional spots of sooty mold? Based on some of the things I've been reading on this forum, you possibly could not be getting any fruit set with a few leaf bites or bugs on your trees. Those mangos will all fall off and die to fungus as well, so you must be spraying gallons of copper and imidacloprid over your entire acreage.
I think we know from his past postings that he said that last year his mango production was lower, significantly or not only Harry would be able to elaborate on that, by his lack of treatment of anthracnose and powdery mildew on their affected pannicles.
As you have seen, his lychees, canistel and possibly others have been a feeding grounds for the root weevil. Did it kill the trees, not that I know of, Did it effect blooms and fruit production, I cant answer that...but I can say I had a significant sized lychee destroyed by root weevils. Without treatments, it when down to where only about 1/4 of the branches were living and its flushes were very weak and got instantly attacked by weevils. So, can they decimate and destroy a tree, YES.
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Harry - is the winter time still a nesting ground for those Orb Spiders? I know your lychees and canistel were food suppliers for the weevils but just curious, have you ever seen the weevils captured in their webs?
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WOW Harry, I can't believe I hadn't posted here. Your pics of your specimen trees and variety is amazing.Thanks for sharing, I envy your collection who have your hands full beutiful!
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Harry - is the winter time still a nesting ground for those Orb Spiders? I know your lychees and canistel were food suppliers for the weevils but just curious, have you ever seen the weevils captured in their webs?
I have thrown a white weevil into the web of the spiny orb weaver spider once, the spider hustled down to see what was in the web and promptly cut the weevil out and let it drop to the ground.
The spiny orb weavers are smaller than the golden silk orb weaver (we called them banana spiders), not sure if size relation between predator and prey caused the spiny orb to let the weevil go or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasteracantha_cancriformis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasteracantha_cancriformis)
Hadn't had any luck getting the lizards, anoles or frogs to show any interest in the weevils either.
DM
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I took a bunch of pictures today. I'm going to post them here, but I am running our of steam for the night......so to be continued tomorrow. In the meantime:
(http://s14.postimage.org/y07ucxfel/128_2814.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/y07ucxfel/)
A few young Graham mangoes in juvenile stage against the back drop of a gorgeous blue Florida sky. Good night.
Harry this pic is crazy! Is Graham one of your most productive mango trees?
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Thanks for the pics, Harry. Looks awesome.
Rob, what does the root weevil look like? I wonder if that's what killed the 25 year old lychee tree that used to be in our front yard many years ago.
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http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/citrus/diaprepes_root_weevil.htm (http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/citrus/diaprepes_root_weevil.htm)
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http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/citrus/diaprepes_root_weevil.htm (http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/citrus/diaprepes_root_weevil.htm)
Wrong root weevil Richard, that is not the menace that is attacking the lychees, mangoes, canistel, mamey, etc. The menace is the Sri Lankan root weevil. The larvae feed on root...and while it is not proven, some, or many, feel the larvae do in fact feed on the roots or lychee, mamey and mango.
http://lee.ifas.ufl.edu/Hort/UsefulLawnandGardenResources/SriLankaWeevilupdate2008.pdf (http://lee.ifas.ufl.edu/Hort/UsefulLawnandGardenResources/SriLankaWeevilupdate2008.pdf)
(http://s1.postimage.org/xy7mko817/Sri_Lanka_Weevil.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xy7mko817/)
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Harry - is the winter time still a nesting ground for those Orb Spiders? I know your lychees and canistel were food suppliers for the weevils but just curious, have you ever seen the weevils captured in their webs?
I have thrown a white weevil into the web of the spiny orb weaver spider once, the spider hustled down to see what was in the web and promptly cut the weevil out and let it drop to the ground.
The spiny orb weavers are smaller than the golden silk orb weaver (we called them banana spiders), not sure if size relation between predator and prey caused the spiny orb to let the weevil go or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasteracantha_cancriformis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasteracantha_cancriformis)
Hadn't had any luck getting the lizards, anoles or frogs to show any interest in the weevils either.
DM
sorry, let me clarify, I meant most specifically the Golden Silk Orb as they are far more aggressive when it comes to attacking prey. The spiny orb are harmless, I have no problem walking right through their webs (they are not aggressive and if they do bite, i have never been bitten that I know of and if I have been bitten it is harmless...the golden silk orb on the other hand, if bitten by, will put a hurting on you).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_silk_orb-weaver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_silk_orb-weaver)
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Early Large Red Lychee in the foreground, with hak Ip #2 in the rear left.......dormant sugar apple in between.
(http://s7.postimage.org/i79x9z27b/128_2827.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/i79x9z27b/)
Black Gold x Tabouey Jakfruit. That's a 16' orchard ladder for perspective. Kent mango is intertwined on the left and to the right, dwarfed, is my Tabouey x J-31 very cold sensitive jakfruit which died back to the ground in the cold of several years ago.
(http://s9.postimage.org/kg3zt87u3/128_2828.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kg3zt87u3/)
Bosworth 3 lychee (Kwai Mai Pink). Its about 4 feet tall and more than 15 years in the ground.
(http://s9.postimage.org/e9yes45gr/128_2829.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/e9yes45gr/)
Goldfinger bananas (FHIA 1)
(http://s9.postimage.org/duwbqkyaz/128_2835.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/duwbqkyaz/)
Sorry for the slow uploading......still more to come.
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Keep them coming, Harry...I'm enjoying them all ;D
Thanks for sharing :)
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Nice trees Harry! Looking forward seeing the other pics. :)
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arry, how has the production / flowering on your Dot been this year?
The panicles on the ones I have in pots seem like anthracnose magnets. Excellent tasting mango, but will it stand up to the lazy-man's approach to gardening??
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Bailey's Marvel mango......seems to have a decent crop coming, without spraying, but only at the top of the canopy.
(http://s1.postimage.org/ndqw4lm4b/128_2838.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ndqw4lm4b/)
Thai Everbearing mango
(http://s13.postimage.org/vx49kccw3/128_2839.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/vx49kccw3/)
Rataul mango
(http://s8.postimage.org/vm7xyvjld/128_2840.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/vm7xyvjld/)
See Chompoo longan, in flower way earlier than in previous years.......but only at the top of the canopy.
(http://s1.postimage.org/omsjvgi7v/128_2841.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/omsjvgi7v/)
Magana mamey sapote.........grows like a dwarf for me. Its at least 15 or so years old. And now in flower for the third or fourth time, but never had any fruit set.
(http://s14.postimage.org/ml90vyqr1/128_2844.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ml90vyqr1/)
(http://s8.postimage.org/57693xk35/128_2842.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/57693xk35/)
Mauritius Lychee
(http://s7.postimage.org/nwrhmn3pj/128_2845.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/nwrhmn3pj/)
Duncan mango.......small crop, it only bloomed at the top of the tree.
(http://s2.postimage.org/ea529637p/128_2846.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ea529637p/)
That's it for now. I have some Sweetheart Lychee shots I'll post in the thread about Sweetheart redemption.
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arry, how has the production / flowering on your Dot been this year?
The panicles on the ones I have in pots seem like anthracnose magnets. Excellent tasting mango, but will it stand up to the lazy-man's approach to gardening??
not likely...in my opinion, this is one where if you are on the cusp with "should I" or "Shouldn't I" spray, quality of the fruit is well worth the use of copper. Jefff - maybe you could be a mostly lazy gardener and just spray this one ;D
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Your mamey sapote tree is a freak of nature. :o :) It looks a lot younger than 15 years old and actually looks quite healthy. I wonder if the root stock is a rare mamey dwarf rootstock or one of those inverted root graft trees.
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Harry
Does your Mammea americana have any fruit?
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Harry
Does your Mammea americana have any fruit?
Yes. See bottom of page two of this thread.
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Your mamey sapote tree is a freak of nature. :o :) It looks a lot younger than 15 years old and actually looks quite healthy. I wonder if the root stock is a rare mamey dwarf rootstock or one of those inverted root graft trees.
I highly doubt its an inverted root graft. If you double click on the picture, it looks like something odd going on with the base of that tree...that may be the reason for its dwarf nature. It could also be its environment, specifically the soil type and conditions. Harry has some other trees that have a similar type of growth habit, see the picture above of his Bosworth 3 lychee.
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HAHAHAHAHA I've been debating that actually. Dot may be worth it :-).
arry, how has the production / flowering on your Dot been this year?
The panicles on the ones I have in pots seem like anthracnose magnets. Excellent tasting mango, but will it stand up to the lazy-man's approach to gardening??
not likely...in my opinion, this is one where if you are on the cusp with "should I" or "Shouldn't I" spray, quality of the fruit is well worth the use of copper. Jefff - maybe you could be a mostly lazy gardener and just spray this one ;D
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Harry thanks for all the shots...seems like your blooming and fruit set
is a little strange this year - lots of stuff on the tops of trees and
much less down low....
Your Maha's look great - hope you get to meet them at the finish line!
Gary
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Harry,
Please refresh our memories, how much pesticides and fungicides do you usually spray? How detrimental to you fruiting are those few leaf bites and occasional spots of sooty mold? Based on some of the things I've been reading on this forum, you possibly could not be getting any fruit set with a few leaf bites or bugs on your trees. Those mangoes will all fall off and die to fungus as well, so you must be spraying gallons of copper and imidacloprid over your entire acreage.
Your rhetorical question is answered with a resounding.......almost none. While I have sprayed copper and sulfur and neem oil from time to time in the past, this year there has been no spraying. The most I have ever sprayed has been a selective tree, here and there, very sporadically, copper 3 times in a season (as in Rosiegold mango). Otherwise, I try to be a minimalist with sprays and chemicals. I have treated for anthracnose and powdery mildew. I have never treated for the sri lankan gray weevil or the diaprepres root weevil (and I have quite a collection of these beauties). I have treated once or twice for the Cuban May Beetle.
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Harry (and the others who've tried the angie), what is the level of acidity in the angie? Is it more of a 'sweet' mango or a sweet and tart mango?
Very tough to give an accurate description from memory. Angie is complex in flavor in my recollection. So for me that means a blend of sweet and some tart with some other flavors blended all together. It is not purely sweet like okrung. However, I think it would pass the "Elsy" test.
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Do you think the mango season will be earlier than usual this year?
It certainly looks that way. My first mango is going to be Rosiegold. I have one fruit sizing up from the second blooming this season. If I had some fruit set from the first blooming, I'd be eating mangoes now. The rest of the mango schedules seem all early and somewhat screwed up, actually. There are some late that will be early and some early that will be later.
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Harry - is the winter time still a nesting ground for those Orb Spiders? I know your lychees and canistel were food suppliers for the weevils but just curious, have you ever seen the weevils captured in their webs?
The spiders come and go with the winds, it seems. It doesn't seem that they have any real season. I have seen weevils in their webs but rarely. I don't think weevils are their prey of choice.
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Harry, how has the production / flowering on your Dot been this year? The panicles on the ones I have in pots seem like anthracnose magnets. Excellent tasting mango, but will it stand up to the lazy-man's approach to gardening??
Good question. I have two trees and I haven't paid close enough attention. Will check it out and report back. As far as it being a good choice for the lazy gardener....the answer is probably no if you want substantial, anthracnose free production. But the mango is so good, even a lazy gardener will relish the fruits he or she does get to maturity.
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HAHAHAHAH OK Thanks, Harry.
Harry (and the others who've tried the angie), what is the level of acidity in the angie? Is it more of a 'sweet' mango or a sweet and tart mango?
Very tough to give an accurate description from memory. Angie is complex in flavor in my recollection. So for me that means a blend of sweet and some tart with some other flavors blended all together. It is not purely sweet like okrung. However, I think it would pass the "Elsy" test.
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hehe no doubt. It sure is one heck of a great tasting mango.
Let us know when you get a chance to inspect your Dots.
Thanks
Harry, how has the production / flowering on your Dot been this year? The panicles on the ones I have in pots seem like anthracnose magnets. Excellent tasting mango, but will it stand up to the lazy-man's approach to gardening??
Good question. I have two trees and I haven't paid close enough attention. Will check it out and report back. As far as it being a good choice for the lazy gardener....the answer is probably no if you want substantial, anthracnose free production. But the mango is so good, even a lazy gardener will relish the fruits he or she does get to maturity.
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If I ever buy a home with a large lot like Harry's, I would plant the Dot away from the other trees where it's fully exposed to wind and not let the canopy get too dense to the point that it decreases cross-ventilation. I think that might decrease the chance of fungal problems that Dots are known for. I'm not an expert, so I'm not 100 percent sure.
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Harry, how has the production / flowering on your Dot been this year? The panicles on the ones I have in pots seem like anthracnose magnets. Excellent tasting mango, but will it stand up to the lazy-man's approach to gardening??
Let us know when you get a chance to inspect your Dots.
Thanks
I guess there was a reason I hadn't noticed much going on with Dot this year. Closer inspection reveled limited blooming and very light fruit set on both of my trees. I do see some anthracnose on some of the fruit that have formed. Its not going to be much of a Dot year this year.
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Ahh OK. Thanks for the update.
Going on the recommendation of Sargeant Zands, I'm going to try to use phyto-fos on my Dot. There seems to be some evidence that it acts as a fungicide. Maybe it will copper a run for its money!
I guess there was a reason I hadn't noticed much going on with Dot this year. Closer inspection reveled limited blooming and very light fruit set on both of my trees. I do see some anthracnose on some of the fruit that have formed. Its not going to be much of a Dot year this year.
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It rained a lot in my area, Martin County, while the little Dot was in bloom. I paid a lot of attention, maybe too much, but compared to the rest of my trees that were in in bloom at the time, the Dot looked like some of the "science protects" that used to grow in my college refrigerator. The fungus was among us! I chased the anthracnose all over the panicles with copper and plant doctor, small applications using spray bottles.
Out of about 10 to 12 panicles that bloomed, I have three left. No idea if it will hold until harvest, but I'll give it a shot.
This tree is by far my highest maintenance tree thus far. Had I not tasted a Dot mango last year, I probably would have replaced this tree, but I think the fruit is that good.
(http://s7.postimage.org/bypgpfggn/IMAG0518.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bypgpfggn/)
(http://s9.postimage.org/cz2i2m4fv/IMAG0515.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/cz2i2m4fv/)
(http://s9.postimage.org/7vkf5w83f/IMAG0516.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7vkf5w83f/)
Harry, how has the production / flowering on your Dot been this year? The panicles on the ones I have in pots seem like anthracnose magnets. Excellent tasting mango, but will it stand up to the lazy-man's approach to gardening??
Let us know when you get a chance to inspect your Dots.
Thanks
I guess there was a reason I hadn't noticed much going on with Dot this year. Closer inspection reveled limited blooming and very light fruit set on both of my trees. I do see some anthracnose on some of the fruit that have formed. Its not going to be much of a Dot year this year.
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Hey Rob (bsbullie),
How is the beautiful Excalibur Dot? Is she holding fruit yet? I haven't been able to get there recently, too busy and my back is all jacked up. Maybe this Saturday, depends on the back...
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Hey Rob (bsbullie),
How is the beautiful Excalibur Dot? Is she holding fruit yet? I haven't been able to get there recently, too busy and my back is all jacked up. Maybe this Saturday, depends on the back...
Last time I checked it was holding an average number of fruit for that tree....it has never been a super heavy bearer most likely due to its issues with anthracnose and powdery mildew. I will try and provide an update.
Hope you are feeling better...see you Saturday if you are up to it.