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Important word in the title is "seedling."
Followed by a later post that confirmed monoembryonic.
I think OP has been clear this is not Alphonso, only that it is a seedling of Alphonso that is reported to taste like Alphonso.
Perhaps he will name it at some point.

Yes, definitely it is worth registering this variety. It is still under observation and if it does good productivity wise as well as fruit fly resistance, then i will for sure make it popular commercially by growing it myself first in my farm.

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Hi Sobars Congratulations on your Alfonso seedling tasting like Alfonso I bought a box from Indian grown in LA last year and even do they are on the small side me and my wife love them, Banganapalli disappointed us tasting bland Tart and very juicy, I have a small grafted Alfonso in the ground, Hopefully it performs well hear doesn't wants to perform very well in USA grounds

Goa Mankur is an excellent tasting mango, i like it better than Alphanso. It fetches very high price in Goa and is very difficult to get hold of, it disappears as soon as the market open.
Goa and Vengurla are the only places where you find that variety fruits. It is not very popular commercially because of it's low shelf life and well as shy bearer and probe to diseases due to humidity, if it gets slightly overripe then the taste goes down quickly. There exist very few old trees and nobody is planting them now - i do have one tree at home, not started fruiting yet but in the next years i will plant few of that trees in the farm for commercial production.

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I've had a decent fruiting Alphonso mango tree for 4 years now. in zone 10a Florida. Very tasty and no issues with it to date.

Hi Raul,
Nice to know that you liked the taste of Alphanso. I am not sure which poart of India they were exported from, but the best tasting Alphanso are grown in Devgad and Ratnagiri coastal belt. They even have GI registered, so that nobody else can sell Alphanso grown in different parts of India as Devgad Alphanso or Ratnagiri Alphanso. They get a special taste due to the red laterite soil and coastal climate in that region, and as a result most of their A and B grade Alphanso are exported, local market receives only C grade and below - still they fetch the highest price among all other varieties. That is the reason, Alphanso grown in some other areas / states label their boxes as Devgad Alphanso in order to get high price - but the professional mango eaters can easily differentiate the taste.

Banganpalli is not a very good tasting mango, however it is popular because it is one of the first variety to hit the Indian market - mostly picked before maturity in order to fetch higher price. Once Alphanso and Kesar hit the market then nobody buys Banganpalli. But the taste of Bangapalli grown at home and harvested at proper maturity is not bad tasting. If you have possibility then give a try to Kesar, Dasheri and Chaunsa mango as well, those are worth having varieties in your garden. None of them will have attractive color, but definitely very good taste.

If you have enough farm land then you could possibly plant Alphanso seeds, you might get lucky and get a good size/quality fruit - like my In-laws got. Many people in India do that and as a result they get really good tasting varieties of their own - we have at least 9 big fruiting seedlings out of which 7 are excellent tasting - out of them 2 have the potential to be commercial variety. See one tree that started fruiting 4 years ago, first fruiting was around 3-4 fruits, then next year 13-15 fruits, then 1 year gap and see the fruits this year, this is only what is visible from one side, there are many more inside the canopy and other side. In our village measuring from 500 x 500 meters approximately, i could find at least 500 seedling fruiting trees and if i search in our town then the number will easily go above 50000 and some of them are really excellent tasting.

 
This is our newly started fruiting seedling - excellent tasting fruit and very good size.




This is fruit from my cousin's seedling tree - excellent tasting fruit with very thin seed and attractive yellow color (with red/pink blush on sun exposed fruits). I have given it his name "Lester". I have grafted the scions of that variety to my multi grafted seedling and it started fruiting the next year (last year) and also got fruits this year. These photos are from the fruit that we got on our grafted tree last year. Unfortunately the fruit fell down during some stormy wind we had last year, but even after that it got ripe and was of excellent taste. The small one in this photo is Lester - the big one is Golden Queen - not so good taste compared to Lester





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Important word in the title is "seedling."
Followed by a later post that confirmed monoembryonic.
I think OP has been clear this is not Alphonso, only that it is a seedling of Alphonso that is reported to taste like Alphonso.
Perhaps he will name it at some point.

See the photos here, with description
https://www.facebook.com/sobars.machado/media_set?set=a.10213552039178964&type=3&uploaded=3





See the dark orange color compared to the yellow of Alphanso


The top one is Alphanso and the bottom one is Napol - kept in the refrigerator for more than 1 month, the skin color changed but the flesh remained good.


The skin is thick, so no damage from Fruit Flies














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Alphanso mango can not propogate through seed, it must be grafted. So that tree is not alphanso tree.
The first image you uploaded is corrupt.

Yes, that is correct. That's why it is mentioned as Alphanso Seedling. This seedling will be a new variety. I can name it as Napol Alphanso (Napol is a short name of my father in law - who planted that seed) - something similar like the variety called Bennett Alphanso.

The taste for me is better than Alphanso, it is not much acidic like the Alphanso. Also, the skin is think compared, so not getting attacked by fruit flies - whereas the Kesar tree standing next to it - 90% were having fruit fly larvae in them - the same year.






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Hello Friends,
I was wondering if anybody tried grafting common fig (Ficus carica) on a rootstock of cluster fig (Ficus racemosa) with any success? Common fig can be easily grown by cutting however in our area (tropical maharashtra/mumbai) it is very slow to grow, however the cluster fig grows wild as a weed. So, the combination, if works, would be great.
Thanks,
Sobars

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tips for grafting onto my Mango tree
« on: July 12, 2019, 05:12:44 PM »
I would just leave the bottom branches as they are and will start grafting all branches above the big V shape.

I am also having one big seedling tree, 18 years old, which i started grafting 2 years ago. 1st year i just pruned the top branches, 2nd year i did graft 5 varieties on 5 main branches (each main branch got 4-5 branches grafted of the same variety), so, the grafts done last year, somewhere in July /August 2018, from them 3 varieties already fruited this year. See my facebook page for details/photos 

https://www.facebook.com/sobars.machado/media_set?set=a.10218340236400902&type=3


So enjoy your adventure and keep us updated about the progress.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White ilama fruiting like crazy
« on: July 12, 2019, 04:46:30 PM »
How old is your seedling tree? At what age it started fruiting for the first time?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good fruiting indoor plants
« on: June 04, 2018, 06:43:08 PM »
You can grow calamondin and nagami kumquat very easily indoor. Also some orange and mandarins. I had them on my terrace, under metal sheet roof, so they were getting only the late afternoon sun from around 3 to 5 pm. All other time only indirect daylight and they were fruiting very good. They are still alive, but just moved them outside due to house renovation.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dwarf jackfruit?
« on: June 04, 2018, 06:17:27 PM »
Those photos used in the advertisement are from indonesian websites which i have seen before. And yes that 7 years old vietnamese jackfruit loaded with fruits is a tree not less than 50 years. When you buy plants online from any indian seller these days, there is no guarantee what you will get, especially the ones from kerala. What they do is, buy seeds online, plant them and before those plants even start to flower, they do air layers or grafting and sell those plants as layered or grafted plants. Obviously the price of grafted plant is much higher than a seedling, so this is how they make more money. I started buying fruit plants from there but then i started to cross question them about variety name or origin and some other technical details and finally got 1 person to admit the truth - that was about kepel layered plant. A seedling was for 1000 rs and a layered for 10000 to 15000 depending on size, but the layered was in facr layered from a non fruiting tree. One friend from kerala with whom i am exchanging seeds told me not to waste my money buying any plants from kerala as they are not truly grafted varieties.

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Hello Raul,
Can you please let me know if the seeds (Jumbo + Regular) still available and what will be the shipping cost to India? What is the payment mode, Paypal?
Thanks.

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Greetings,
One of my friend from Goa/India has small lemon plants and all of their leaves are covered with white spots. His curry leaves plant has the same problem.
Any idea what kind of disease is this and what is the possible solution for it?
I am trying to attach photos....
Thanks you and best regards,
Sobars

https://photos.app.goo.gl/xNr8FVLrdH5tkUSl1



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Hi Manouk,
What is the difference between below statements? Can we not grow seeds from known varieties like Musan King, Mon Thong, Chanee etc, for fruits? Are the trees grown from those varieties seeds get good quality fruits? What is the reason to grow for fruit only from the wild trees? Just to get new/different varieties or something else?

- durian (Durio zibethinus) for growing for the fruit (We will select only seeds from fruits from wild trees/durian ban and also varieties with strong viable seeds, such as Puang Manee. We will send only the ones that we have eaten ourselves and that meet our quality level, we will take pictures and describe the taste.)

- durian (Durio zibethinus) for rootstock (viable seeds from different varieties, big quantities)

What are the prices for all those different seeds, including postage? How many days approximately could be the delivery time, to mumbai/india? I had ordered seeds from Malaysia once and were received without any problem, but it took more than 10 days and some of them got germinated on the way. There are faster ways to send seeds but the person told me that if he send it via regular air mail post then the customs dont bother checking it, but if you send by express post then that could get in trouble.

Thanks,
Sobars

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Biostimulation Foliar Sprays
« on: June 05, 2017, 05:27:42 AM »
Is this fermentation similar like making curd/yogurt or is it similar like wine fermentation?

In india, the Zero budget natural farming system is advising similar thing called Jivamrut, but without fish. And this is getting very popular and people are noticing very positive results. I have not tried it myself though, because to get fresh cow dunk and urine from a local cow is a difficult task.
http://www.palekarzerobudgetspiritualfarming.org/Jiwamrita.aspx

So, by combining fish to this Jivamrut, can it be made even more effective?


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To speed up that totem style graft, what if we do like below....

Just an example

You have 3 different cultivars already growing.
January: you got 3 new cultivars scion and graft on top of above 3 plants
February: wait until above grafts heal
March: you take another 3 new cultivars scion and graft on top of above 3 grafts (so now each plant has total 3 varieties)
April: wait until above grafts heal
May: you cut one of those 3 varieties totem scion and graft on top of your main tree
June:
July: you take the 2nd 3 variety totem and and graft on top of the graft made in May
August
September: you take the 3rd 3 variety totem and graft on top of the graft made in July

So now, you have 1 jackfruit totem tree with 10 varieties within 1 year time.....


 

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This will be also interesting but i guess it will be a long process. The first graft will take few months to heal and then you graft the other on top of it and so on.

However, if i am remember correctly, skill cult has a grafting video in which he is talking about such graft for apples - to put a dwarfing inter stock/scion in between the actual root stock and desired scion -  to perform all those (two) grafts at the same time. I think that could be successful in apple, but not sure if it will work with the jack fruit.

Anyway, but the whole creation over the years will look really interesting, especially if you even add cempedak scions in between.....



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Hi Etham,
This is interesting idea. Is this a graft made similar like bridge grafting (only bottom and top part of the branch are grafted) or is it like long veneer graft (the whole surface of the branch was grafted)?
Thanks,

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Book on grafting exotic fruits
« on: May 26, 2017, 04:40:48 PM »
Yes, the skillcult video's are very nice and detailed.

There are couple of video's of Dr. Richard Campbell on youtube, they are good as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIDc6Z5zH9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICVwHs4Nero&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jqlX6hqPno&t=14s


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing jackfruit from seeds
« on: May 19, 2017, 12:42:56 PM »
If you are planting them directly on the ground then that will be best, but if the rain has not started yet then it will be better to put some shade above them to avoid direct afternoon sun.

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No, the seed was not poly-embryonic. I have personally not tasted the mango so i cannot tell 100% if the taste is same like Alphonso. For some people including my wife, mango = Alphonso - which means, mango tastes like mango :-), until we got married and that is when she got to taste different varieties and finally realized that there are better tasting varieties than Alphonso - for example Goa Mankur or Chausa or Dashehari or Amrapali.

No, this is not the only fruiting tree we have. From some of our big trees we dont even pick mangoes because those trees are too tall and we dont find anybody to climb them.

Yes, i agree with William, mango should grow well in hot/dry areas, especially the ones that are local varieties from such areas. For example some north indian mangoes like Dashehari or Chausa. Also, they will have less fungal issues that are normally caused due to humidity.


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At my in-laws place, they had planted a store bought Alphonso mango seed around 10 years ago. Last year it got the first fruit, only one and this year it got around 25-30 fruits.
Two weeks ago they picked 2 mangos, i believe were not mature enough, but according to them and my wife, the taste was same like an Alphonso mango - they tasted it side by side with a store bought Alphanso and there was no difference in taste.

Today they picked few moret. Unfortunately i am out of India at this moment so could not taste it but they have promised to keep a couple of then in the refrigerator so when i will be back home after 20 days, i could taste them. I had told them to let at least one mango ripe on the tree and then only start to pick the others, so not sure if they are really mature enough or not.

Here are some of the photos.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/18s6mqx4y/
https://postimg.cc/image/id47z15b7/





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too late to use this for grafting?
« on: May 08, 2017, 12:37:21 PM »
If your rootstock is strong and vigorous, preferably beginning a new vegetative growth and you prepped your scions by removing leaves and letting the scars heal your grafts have a good chance of taking. Of course it also depends on your grafting abilities as well but you seem eager to learn and your asking questions on the forum to better your chances. Please keep us updated on the progress of your grafts.

When I get failed grafts, I like to unwrap them to see what possibly went wrong. Sometimes I just make sloppy cuts and the cambium didn't heal over. Other times there is some callus tissue forming but the graft just didn't take for some reason, I usually attribute these failures to weak rootstocks.

Simon

I prep the scions while they are still attached to the tree. Prepping the scions significantly increased my takes. Whenever you make any cuts on a scion, some sap will ooze out, drying it out a bit but not much. By removing leaves before you cut the scion off, the rootstock is able to refill the lost fluid but more importantly, when you remove the leaves from the attached scion, you remove the chemical signals from the leaves that inhibits new flushes. By removing the leaves, the tree sends signals to the now defoliated scion starting the cascades of signaling reactions that initiates bud growth and ultimately a new flush.


Simon,
How about prepping the rootstock as well, at the same time when we will prep the scion? May be that signaling effect will start here as well to initiate new growth and there will be increase of fluid flow that will speed up the healing process?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless Mango from India
« on: April 22, 2017, 05:36:51 PM »
By the way, the so called seedless Sindhu mango variety was developed and released back in 1992, by DR . BALASAHEB SAWANT KONKAN KRISHI VIDYAPEETH, DAPOLI, DIST. RATNAGIRI.
Grafted plants of that variety in the university or at their Regional Fruit Research Station, Vengurla is available for 50 rupees each, that is less than a $.

http://www.dbskkv.org/Research/Varieties_Fruit-Crops.html

http://www.dbskkv.org/Research/Seed_Planting_Material_Availablity.html


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless Mango from India
« on: April 22, 2017, 05:27:48 PM »
Is there a specific reason or technique to get seedless mango or mango with undeveloped seed?
We have one seedling mango at home, that had been growing since 1998-99, but never fruited. The trunk diameter is not less than 15 inches.

Finally i was thinking to trim all it's branches and to graft different varieties on newly developed branches. But before i do that, last year i thought of trying to induce flowering.
I sprayed (in December)some branches that were within reach, with potassium nitrate (Multinitrate 13-00-45 http://www.mahafeedwsf.net/npk-foliar-spray-fertilizers.html ) twice at the interval of 1 week.

Few weeks later it bloomed and set some fruits. Around 20 fruits developed until maturity / ripe - and they dropped by itself, even with green skin (in May). Those fruits were not huge, but around 200 grams and the taste was very nice. Interestingly, the seed was very thin, in fact, there was no real seed inside the husk, for all of them.

So, the question is: was the seed remained undeveloped since the tree was forced to bloom artificially or is it safe for me to declare "I have developed another of seedless mango variety :-)"

This year, i did the same, sprayed the whole tree with the same, but unfortunately got no flowers at all. So, i already trimmed the top branches to prepare them for grafting and left the lower branches as it is just to see if it flowers next year and gets the same, so called seedless fruit.



 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red longan in Ásia
« on: March 13, 2017, 12:02:06 AM »
Is it not red Matoa?

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