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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: behlgarden on March 27, 2012, 05:10:42 PM
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ok, old post but worth the discussion. My uncle lives in Singapore and he visited me recently. I toured him my garden and he saw Nam Doc Mai mango plant. He asked if I have planted Rainbow mango. I said never heard of it, we googled and found that Rainbow Mango is english name of Maha chanok. My Uncle swears that Maha chanok has flavour and aroma besides sweetness, Nam Doc Mai is plain sweet and big. He didnt understand either why Asians loved Nam Doc Mai which supposedly sells at premium to Maha chanok.
I need Maha chanok!!!!! Dont want to spend $200 for it including delivery from Florida to Ca. My best bet is grafting onto some seedling here and hope for the best.
Mod Edit: I split this topic from another topic in the buy, sell, trade forum because I figured it had a lot of good info that should be on this board.
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ok, old post but worth the discussion. My uncle lives in Singapore and he visited me recently. I toured him my garden and he saw Nam Doc Mai mango plant. He asked if I have planted Rainbow mango. I said never heard of it, we googled and found that Rainbow Mango is english name of Maha Chanok. My Uncle swears that Maha Chanok has flavour and aroma besides sweetness, Nam Doc Mai is plain sweet and big. He didnt understand either why Asians loved Nam Doc Mai which supposedly sells at premium to Maha Chanok.
I need Maha Chanok!!!!! Dont want to spend $200 for it including delivery from Florida to Ca. My best bet is grafting onto some seedling here and hope for the best.
never heard of Mahachanok being called Rainbow mango. Maha means king, I believe. Absolutely Mahachanok has flavor and aroma in addition to being very sweet. Its flavor profile is very complex. NDM also has a flavor profile in addition to a honey sweetness. Wile both from Thai origin, they are two totally different fruits in terms of flavor and aroma. There are also multiple NDM varieties.
I am not sure what you mean by, "Asians loved Nam Doc Mai which supposedly sells at premium to Maha Chanok".
If you are in California, you will either have to pay a premium, have someone ship to you (which may not be the easiest with Cali's guidelines), or find someone out there with a tree, get some bud wood and graft yourself....or, move to South Florida. ;) ;D :P
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ok, old post but worth the discussion. My uncle lives in Singapore and he visited me recently. I toured him my garden and he saw Nam Doc Mai mango plant. He asked if I have planted Rainbow mango. I said never heard of it, we googled and found that Rainbow Mango is english name of Maha Chanok. My Uncle swears that Maha Chanok has flavour and aroma besides sweetness, Nam Doc Mai is plain sweet and big. He didnt understand either why Asians loved Nam Doc Mai which supposedly sells at premium to Maha Chanok.
I need Maha Chanok!!!!! Dont want to spend $200 for it including delivery from Florida to Ca. My best bet is grafting onto some seedling here and hope for the best.
never heard of Mahachanok being called Rainbow mango. Maha means king, I believe. Absolutely Mahachanok has flavor and aroma in addition to being very sweet. Its flavor profile is very complex. NDM also has a flavor profile in addition to a honey sweetness. Wile both from Thai origin, they are two totally different fruits in terms of flavor and aroma. There are also multiple NDM varieties.
I suspect that Maha might actually be some kind of Indian/SE Asian hybrid. Its monoembryonic trait, flavor profile, and blush color suggest at least some Indian parentage.
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ok, old post but worth the discussion. My uncle lives in Singapore and he visited me recently. I toured him my garden and he saw Nam Doc Mai mango plant. He asked if I have planted Rainbow mango. I said never heard of it, we googled and found that Rainbow Mango is english name of Maha Chanok. My Uncle swears that Maha Chanok has flavour and aroma besides sweetness, Nam Doc Mai is plain sweet and big. He didnt understand either why Asians loved Nam Doc Mai which supposedly sells at premium to Maha Chanok.
I need Maha Chanok!!!!! Dont want to spend $200 for it including delivery from Florida to Ca. My best bet is grafting onto some seedling here and hope for the best.
never heard of Mahachanok being called Rainbow mango. Maha means king, I believe. Absolutely Mahachanok has flavor and aroma in addition to being very sweet. Its flavor profile is very complex. NDM also has a flavor profile in addition to a honey sweetness. Wile both from Thai origin, they are two totally different fruits in terms of flavor and aroma. There are also multiple NDM varieties.
I suspect that Maha might actually be some kind of Indian/SE Asian hybrid. Its monoembryonic trait, flavor profile, and blush color suggest at least some Indian parentage.
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ok, old post but worth the discussion. My uncle lives in Singapore and he visited me recently. I toured him my garden and he saw Nam Doc Mai mango plant. He asked if I have planted Rainbow mango. I said never heard of it, we googled and found that Rainbow Mango is english name of Maha Chanok. My Uncle swears that Maha Chanok has flavour and aroma besides sweetness, Nam Doc Mai is plain sweet and big. He didnt understand either why Asians loved Nam Doc Mai which supposedly sells at premium to Maha Chanok.
I need Maha Chanok!!!!! Dont want to spend $200 for it including delivery from Florida to Ca. My best bet is grafting onto some seedling here and hope for the best.
never heard of Mahachanok being called Rainbow mango. Maha means king, I believe. Absolutely Mahachanok has flavor and aroma in addition to being very sweet. Its flavor profile is very complex. NDM also has a flavor profile in addition to a honey sweetness. Wile both from Thai origin, they are two totally different fruits in terms of flavor and aroma. There are also multiple NDM varieties.
I suspect that Maha might actually be some kind of Indian/SE Asian hybrid. Its monoembryonic trait, flavor profile, and blush color suggest at least some Indian parentage.
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Just saying that while it may be from Thailand (I thought it was from Singapore but maybe it did originate in Thailand), I don't think it is purely descended from the Thai-line as NDM, Okrung, Sia Tong, etc etc. Its a monoembryonic mango according to Harry, which is relatively unheard of for mangoes originating in Indochina and generally a trait inherited from at least one monoembryonic parent, and its blush characteristics can vary from yellow to a nice bright red (see Harry's avatar as an example). Few indochinese types develop that kind of color (in fact I'm pressed to think of any that do off hand).
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ok, old post but worth the discussion. My uncle lives in Singapore and he visited me recently. I toured him my garden and he saw Nam Doc Mai mango plant. He asked if I have planted Rainbow mango. I said never heard of it, we googled and found that Rainbow Mango is english name of Maha Chanok. My Uncle swears that Maha Chanok has flavour and aroma besides sweetness, Nam Doc Mai is plain sweet and big. He didnt understand either why Asians loved Nam Doc Mai which supposedly sells at premium to Maha Chanok.
I need Maha Chanok!!!!! Dont want to spend $200 for it including delivery from Florida to Ca. My best bet is grafting onto some seedling here and hope for the best.
never heard of Mahachanok being called Rainbow mango. Maha means king, I believe. Absolutely Mahachanok has flavor and aroma in addition to being very sweet. Its flavor profile is very complex. NDM also has a flavor profile in addition to a honey sweetness. Wile both from Thai origin, they are two totally different fruits in terms of flavor and aroma. There are also multiple NDM varieties.
I suspect that Maha might actually be some kind of Indian/SE Asian hybrid. Its monoembryonic trait, flavor profile, and blush color suggest at least some Indian parentage.
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Just saying that while it may be from Thailand (I thought it was from Singapore but maybe it did originate in Thailand), I don't think it is purely descended from the Thai-line as NDM, Okrung, Sia Tong, etc etc. Its a monoembryonic mango according to Harry, which is relatively unheard of for mangoes originating in Indochina and generally a trait inherited from at least one monoembryonic parent, and its blush characteristics can vary from yellow to a nice bright red (see Harry's avatar as an example). Few indochinese types develop that kind of color (in fact I'm pressed to think of any that do off hand).
The Mahachanok is definitely of Thai origin. I know Harry's seem to have a rosy blush on the shoulders however the fruit grown at Excalibur don't. Below is a sample of an Excalibur Mahachanok.
(http://s15.postimage.org/fntw8wtxz/mangoes_8_18_11_006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fntw8wtxz/)
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Remember that my avatar is not Maha Chanok.....but rather a Maha Chanok seedling. Here is the GW thread about my Maha Chanok seedling project....which, when I get a chance, I will try to update with this year's fruiting.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg0218064232467.html (http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg0218064232467.html)
Harry
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http://www.manufacturer.com/product/i811951-Rainbow+Mango+(Maha+Chanok+Mango).html (http://www.manufacturer.com/product/i811951-Rainbow+Mango+(Maha+Chanok+Mango).html)
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Another marketing name...like Champagne mango, etc.
Harry
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I have to get this out of the way... it's NOT Chinook, it's Chanok ... there ;D
Maha Chanok does get a very nice pink blush with sun exposure. I believe Harry had referenced this blog in the past on GW, but here it is again. Just blogging from MOM & Daughter (http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/panalwayscute/2009/05/12/entry-1).
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I think I found what we were looking for...
"Genetic relationship of 16 mango cultivars including Mahachanok, Nga(2), Sunset, Keitt, Karabao, Kiewsawoi and 9 unknown cultivars from Mr. Prapat Sithisung orchard was studied to identify the origin of the Mahachanok cultivar. Using 10 AFLP primer pairs, were generated DNA profiles of 16 mango cultivars and found 125 polymorphic DNA bands which were used for genetic similarity analysis. We found cultivars Mahachanok and Sunset to be closely related but the rest of the cultivars were distant apart. We used the co dominant DNA markers MG470P to assess the relationship among 16 cultivars and found that cultivar Nga showed the DNA band of 800 base pairs. On the other hand, Sunset and other cultivars showed the DNA band of 620 base pairs, while Mahachanok had both 800 and 620 bp bands. These results indicate that Nga and Sunset to be highly likely Mahachanok's parents."
Here is some info on the sunset: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunset_%28mango%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunset_%28mango%29)
This verifies Squams hypothesis that it's a Indian/SE Asian Hybrid.
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Good find, Murahilin.....I knew there was a reason we kept you around.
Harry
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Good find indeed Murahilin.....I have edited the 'Sunset' wiki article to reflect that info.
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here is the link confirming that Maha Chanok infact is called Rainbow Mango as well. Check out this link http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/112965397/Mango_Mahachanok_Rainbow_Mango_.html (http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/112965397/Mango_Mahachanok_Rainbow_Mango_.html)
On premim, in Asia (Singapore and Thailand) for some reason my uncle said that Maha Chanok sells cheaper than Nam Doc Mai, which is first choice of Asian folks there.
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here is the link confirming that Maha Chanok infact is called Rainbow Mango as well. Check out this link http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/112965397/Mango_Mahachanok_Rainbow_Mango_.html (http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/112965397/Mango_Mahachanok_Rainbow_Mango_.html)
On premim, in Asia (Singapore and Thailand) for some reason my uncle said that Maha Chanok sells cheaper than Nam Doc Mai, which is first choice of Asian folks there.
That website only shoes it is called Rainbow Mango by that distributor, not that it is another "common name" for it. Marketing ploy, just as is Champagne mango.
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could me marketting ploy. but my uncle lives in Singapore and has never heard of Maha Chanok, but he says Rainbow Mango is the best, and we searched and ended up at Maha Chanok. Funny
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This info is from commercial growers here:
http://www.tousgarden.com.au/primary-produce/tous-garden-maha-chinook (http://www.tousgarden.com.au/primary-produce/tous-garden-maha-chinook)
The maha chanok mango is trademarked by Tou's Garden in Australia based on a clone of the original Thai maha chanok, a natural clone of Sunset, which was first identified at Lampoon, Northern Thailand.
The big wholesale nursey that stocks the major chains with plants here sells it under the name 'King Thai'.
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This info is from commercial growers here:
http://www.tousgarden.com.au/primary-produce/tous-garden-maha-chinook (http://www.tousgarden.com.au/primary-produce/tous-garden-maha-chinook)
The maha chanok mango is trademarked by Tou's Garden in Australia based on a clone of the original Thai maha chanok, a natural clone of Sunset, which was first identified at Lampoon, Northern Thailand.
The big wholesale nursey that stocks the major chains with plants here sells it under the name 'King Thai'.
If they sell it under the name "King Thai", that is probably that they have the trademark under unless you were referring to two different nurseries. I doubt they could trademark the maha chanok name. They may be able to trademark "maha chanok" as they have it spelled.
What they said about "a natural clone of Sunset" makes no sense. I would be a sunset then if it was a clone.
Edit: Upon doing some further research it seems as though they have registered an Australian trademark for "Tou's Garden Mahachanok". I am unsure of whether it is for the full name including "Tau's Garden" or not. If so, it's a pointless trademark. Frankly, those people are idiots because they register the trademark under maha chanok but spell it on their own website as chinook.
http://pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/atmoss/Falcon_Details.Show_tm_Details?p_tm_number=1225204&p_search_no=4&p_ExtDisp=D&p_detail=DETAILED#t1225204c31 (http://pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/atmoss/Falcon_Details.Show_tm_Details?p_tm_number=1225204&p_search_no=4&p_ExtDisp=D&p_detail=DETAILED#t1225204c31)
Edit2: I hate frivolous trademarks. 'Sweetheart' is my main enemy. Anyways, after skimming through Australian trademark law, it basically states that the original variety name can't be trademarked. You can check the law yourself here: http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/pdfs/trademarkmanual/trade_marks_examiners_manual.htm (http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/pdfs/trademarkmanual/trade_marks_examiners_manual.htm)
Go to section 32A. That would mean that mahachanok is not a valid trademark. Now the question is, is the trademark for "Tau's Garden Mahachanok". If so, would that make the entire long useless phrase valid? At least we know "mahachanok" is not trademarked as it can not be. It also makes me dislike this Tau's Garden people even more for being total idiots. Why waste their time trademarking "Tau's Garden Mahachanok" if that is the case. Who else would sell something as "Tau's Garden"?
Oh well....
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Yep. Trademarking and PBRs are a strange thing here. You can PBR an entire species if you wish.
King Thai is the name used by a nursery that sells the trees. Makes some sense as no one but mango nuts would know or care to purchase a Maha Chanok/chanok/chinok/Chanok when it is sitting next to Bowen, KP, NDM or Keitt. Anglocising the name works for the industry here, as many good plants have been introduced, but have quickly fallen into obscurity due to the lack of consumer awareness - more so if its an unfamiliar foreign name. 'King Thai' is not subject to PBR or trademarking.
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Yep. Trademarking and PBRs are a strange thing here. You can PBR an entire species if you wish.
King Thai is the name used by a nursery that sells the trees. Makes some sense as no one but mango nuts would know or care to purchase a maha chanok/chanok/chinok/Chanok when it is sitting next to Bowen, KP, NDM or Keitt. Anglocising the name works for the industry here, as many good plants have been introduced, but have quickly fallen into obscurity due to the lack of consumer awareness - more so if its an unfamiliar foreign name. 'King Thai' is not subject to PBR or trademarking.
I doubt anyone in Australia could get PBRs for the maha chanok. That would easily be thrown out if anyone challenged it.
I think PBRs and Trademarks are very important and are needed but I do not like it when it abused and a company tries to get them for established cultivar names such as the maha chanok.
You're right, I think more people would buy a King Thai mango before a mahachanok.
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Uh, out of curiosity...why is the only source Excalibur here?
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Uh, out of curiosity...why is the only source Excalibur here?
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Well, no one cared about the maha chanok in Florida until Harry starting posting about his favorite mango the maha chanok. Also, Excalibur had it mislabled for a few years as mahachanole and mahachanois. Lol. Once the connection was made that the mahachanole was in fact the Mahachanok, they started to sell like crazy. Richard got the trees a few years back in Thailand and grew them and grafted them but no one showed any interest and the trees never sold. Once it was advertised that Excalibur had the mahachanok, they all practically sold out within a few weeks.
I think other nurseries will probably start grafting it soon if many people have been asking for it due to the popularity on the internet.
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Uh, out of curiosity...why is the only source Excalibur here?
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It is still *relatively* new in the US and to my knowledge, hasn't been propagated by the major wholesaler(s) yet on any significant scale.
As it inevitably becomes more well known and in demand, I expect that to change. There probably weren't very many sources for NDM in Florida 35 years ago.
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I want to taste one :) before (?) I buy the tree. You never know what varieties will be where. I was at Home Depot last week and they had a bunch of mango varieties: Po Pyu Kalay, Ice Cream, Nam Doc Mai, Kent. I was surprised. Next year it could be a Maha Chanok.
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I want to taste one :) before (?) I buy the tree. You never know what varieties will be where. I was at Home Depot last week and they had a bunch of mango varieties: Po Pyu Kalay, Ice Cream, Nam Doc Mai, Kent. I was surprised. Next year it could be a Maha Chanok.
Yes, the major garden centers are getting better at offering more options rather than just 'Haden' and 'Tommy Atkins'.
Only reason they are selling Ice Cream though is its name. Which is why I think the new Zill releases have some potential from a purely marketing standpoint.
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I want to taste one :) before (?) I buy the tree. You never know what varieties will be where. I was at Home Depot last week and they had a bunch of mango varieties: Po Pyu Kalay, Ice Cream, Nam Doc Mai, Kent. I was surprised. Next year it could be a Maha Chanok.
Yes, the major garden centers are getting better at offering more options rather than just 'Haden' and 'Tommy Atkins'.
Only reason they are selling Ice Cream though is its name. Which is why I think the new Zill releases have some potential from a purely marketing standpoint.
In that case, "Rainbow Mango" may not be a bad idea ;D
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Well, no one cared about the maha chanok in Florida until Harry starting posting about his favorite mango the maha chanok.
Funny how so many of us are trying to buy a type of mango tree because one person says it is really good. (All due respect to Harry and I already own a Maha). Did I tell you guys that I love raw salmon sushi? I really love it! I enjoy the raw salmon texture and taste. Raw fish may be a turn off to some people, but I love raw salmon sushi. My point is different people have different tastes. I just hope we all have similar tastes when it comes to mangos and are all happy with our purchases a few years from now after the hype has died down. ;)
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Uh, out of curiosity...why is the only source Excalibur here?
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Well, no one cared about the maha chanok in Florida until Harry starting posting about his favorite mango the maha chanok. Also, Excalibur had it mislabled for a few years as mahachanole and mahachanois. Lol. Once the connection was made that the mahachanole was in fact the mahachanok, they started to sell like crazy. Richard got the trees a few years back in Thailand and grew them and grafted them but no one showed any interest and the trees never sold. Once it was advertised that Excalibur had the mahachanok, they all practically sold out within a few weeks.
I think other nurseries will probably start grafting it soon if many people have been asking for it due to the popularity on the internet.
there is meaning in these two sentences. There is a reason Excalibur is the only/main nursery source. I disagree that NO ONE CARED about the Mahachanok until Harry posted about it. I had tried it and put it at the top of my list BEFORE I ever found Gardenweb.
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Well, no one cared about the maha chanok in Florida until Harry starting posting about his favorite mango the maha chanok.
Funny how so many of us are trying to buy a type of mango tree because one person says it is really good. (All due respect to Harry and I already own a Maha). Did I tell you guys that I love raw salmon sushi? I really love it! I enjoy the raw salmon texture and taste. Raw fish may be a turn off to some people, but I love raw salmon sushi. My point is different people have different tastes. I just hope we all have similar tastes when it comes to mangos and are all happy with our purchases a few years from now after the hype has died down. ;)
Many people own it and many more are trying it since a handful of mango aficionados have not only raved about it but described their eating experiences which has prompted the demand. Then again, some love and would rather go for a Jakarta ;) 8) ???
...oh, and you don't have to preach to me about sushi. Raw salmon is excellent but even better, raw salmon belly (not sure why I have to use the word "raw" when speaking of sushi), or o-toro (specifically bluefin), japanese snapper, hamachi, true white tuna/albacore (not escolar), aji, live scallop, Engawa (meat of the flounder fin)....I could go on but I am now hungry for sushi :-[ :( :'(
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Its been said many times on the garden web. Its a good idea to try the mango before you buy the tree. That's another reason why Excalibur is good; they sell many mango fruit varieties. I'm guilty of jumping on the "gotta have that tree bandwagon" ; I bought the Lemon Zest and the Pickering, both of which I've never had. But my other mango trees are growing mangos which I've eaten. Bailey's Marvel is a good example of a mango which noone talks about. It is my favorite mango and I planted the tree because I thought it was (and is) delicious. I am going to go to Excalibur when they have some Maha to try it (hopefully they will have some for me :-* ) There are so many delicious mango varieties out there!
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there is meaning in these two sentences. There is a reason Excalibur is the only/main nursery source. I disagree that NO ONE CARED about the Mahachanok until Harry posted about it. I had tried it and put it at the top of my list BEFORE I ever found Gardenweb.
I didn't mean for that sentence to be taken 100% literally. There have people with Maha chanok trees in South Florida other than Harry for the past 10-15 years. My point was that Harry made it popular through his posts on GW. Those trees would not have sold out at excalibur so quickly if Harry did not build the hype. I could elaborate on how he caused the hype but that's unnecessary.
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Wish I had asked for samples from my exes instead ... ahh well. I'm rather adventurous and like to dive in head first as soon as the person ahead says its clear. Only way to find out.
Has anyone been able to spot the time frame Maha Chanok was created and first fruit? I've found nothing :(
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Its been said many times on the garden web. Its a good idea to try the mango before you buy the tree. That's another reason why Excalibur is good; they sell many mango fruit varieties. I'm guilty of jumping on the "gotta have that tree bandwagon" ; I bought the Lemon Zest and the Pickering, both of which I've never had. But my other mango trees are growing mangos which I've eaten. Bailey's Marvel is a good example of a mango which noone talks about. It is my favorite mango and I planted the tree because I thought it was (and is) delicious. I am going to go to Excalibur when they have some Maha to try it (hopefully they will have some for me :-* ) There are so many delicious mango varieties out there!
Good point about trying before you buy. I've planted 4 species of mangoes and 3 varieties of lychee that I have never tasted before. But I'm optimistic that I will like them. I also planted two varieties of dragonfruit and I have never eaten a dragon fruit. Same with Sapodilla; planted a tree, but have never eaten a sapodilla before. Planted a Kary starfruit; never had that type before. I'm optimistic that I will like most of the fruit I planted. I planted two types of avocado (early and late season avocado) and I don't really eat avocado. I guess I'm willing to take a chance because I've only planted in my front yard and I still have plenty of space in the backyard.
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Its been said many times on the garden web. Its a good idea to try the mango before you buy the tree. That's another reason why Excalibur is good; they sell many mango fruit varieties. I'm guilty of jumping on the "gotta have that tree bandwagon" ; I bought the Lemon Zest and the Pickering, both of which I've never had. But my other mango trees are growing mangos which I've eaten. Bailey's Marvel is a good example of a mango which noone talks about. It is my favorite mango and I planted the tree because I thought it was (and is) delicious. I am going to go to Excalibur when they have some Maha to try it (hopefully they will have some for me :-* ) There are so many delicious mango varieties out there!
Good point about trying before you buy. I've planted 4 species of mangoes and 3 varieties of lychee that I have never tasted before. But I'm optimistic that I will like them. I also planted two varieties of dragonfruit and I have never eaten a dragon fruit. Same with Sapodilla; planted a tree, but have never eaten a sapodilla before. Planted a Kary starfruit; never had that type before. I'm optimistic that I will like most of the fruit I planted. I planted two types of avocado (early and late season avocado) and I don't really eat avocado. I guess I'm willing to take a chance because I've only planted in my front yard and I still have plenty of space in the backyard.
I'm not an expert ( well far from it ::) ), but I have been involved with tropical fruit growing, for a number of years.
Right now, or soon, Sapodilla is in season-( Call first to see what fruit they have started picking )Take a ride to Excalibur and they will have a number of sap. varieties of fruit for sale ( and for tasting)- They can also show you how to know when to pick the fruit from your tree- Sapodilla is tricky and if its not eaten ripe, its pretty bad. If you dont like the fruit-then you can yank the tree or change it for another variety. I LOVE sapodilla but not everyone does
There are a lot of dragon fruit varieties-the ones which I have tasted were really bland but I understand there are newer, better tasting ones. Check and see which varieties you have planted.
As far as mangos, I have only tasted one variety of mango which was horrible- what I think was Turpentine from a huge tree in Boynton Beach. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the recommended mango varieties. You can read about one mango or another being "the best" but in truth, mangos are delicious, period.
Lychee is a tree which won't give you fruit every year. Longan will fruit every year and its really good. Not in season now but make sure you taste some when it is. Matter of opinion on which variety-there are only a few available.
You might want to get a Jakfruit- I really like it but my husband cant stand it at all. Right now, you can still buy some Jakfruit for tatsing. It is a really beautiful tree, even if you dont eat the fruit.
Excalibur is local ( there is also a fruit guy on the same block who sells in front of his house) and they sell fruit-lost of it, for tasting.
Take advantage :)
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I'm not an expert ( well far from it ::) ), but I have been involved with tropical fruit growing, for a number of years.
Right now, or soon, Sapodilla is in season-( Call first to see what fruit they have started picking )Take a ride to Excalibur and they will have a number of sap. varieties of fruit for sale ( and for tasting)- They can also show you how to know when to pick the fruit from your tree- Sapodilla is tricky and if its not eaten ripe, its pretty bad. If you dont like the fruit-then you can yank the tree or change it for another variety. I LOVE sapodilla but not everyone does
There are a lot of dragon fruit varieties-the ones which I have tasted were really bland but I understand there are newer, better tasting ones. Check and see which varieties you have planted.
As far as mangos, I have only tasted one variety of mango which was horrible- what I think was Turpentine from a huge tree in Boynton Beach. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the recommended mango varieties. You can read about one mango or another being "the best" but in truth, mangos are delicious, period.
Lychee is a tree which won't give you fruit every year. Longan will fruit every year and its really good. Not in season now but make sure you taste some when it is. Matter of opinion on which variety-there are only a few available.
You might want to get a Jakfruit- I really like it but my husband cant stand it at all. Right now, you can still buy some Jakfruit for tatsing. It is a really beautiful tree, even if you dont eat the fruit.
Excalibur is local ( there is also a fruit guy on the same block who sells in front of his house) and they sell fruit-lost of it, for tasting.
Take advantage :)
Thanks for the advice. I got three varieties of lychee because of the unreliable fruiting. I have sweet heart, mauritious, and Hak Ip, my hope is that at least one of them will fruit each year. My mango varieties are Coconut Cream, Lemon Zest, Mahachanok, and Carrie. The reviews on these mangos have been good, so I am optimistic.
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Thanks for the advice. I got three varieties of lychee because of the unreliable fruiting. I have sweet heart, mauritious, and Hak Ip, my hope is that at least one of them will fruit each year. My mango varieties are Coconut Cream, Lemon Zest, Mahachanok, and Carrie. The reviews on these mangos have been good, so I am optimistic.
Another good reason to have more than one cultivar of lychee is to extend the season. Even if all 3 fruit they will fruit at slightly different times, hopefully, and extend your eating pleasure. So it's good to get an early, a mid season and a late seaon lychee as well as a reliable bearer.
Oscar
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Thanks for the advice. I got three varieties of lychee because of the unreliable fruiting. I have sweet heart, mauritious, and Hak Ip, my hope is that at least one of them will fruit each year. My mango varieties are coconut cream, Lemon Zest, mahachanok, and Carrie. The reviews on these mangos have been good, so I am optimistic.
Another good reason to have more than one cultivar of lychee is to extend the season. Even if all 3 fruit they will fruit at slightly different times, hopefully, and extend your eating pleasure. So it's good to get an early, a mid season and a late seaon lychee as well as a reliable bearer.
Oscar
This can also be said for mangoes. As the season is long overall, most varieties to not have a long harvest so if you have space, best to also be sure you have ones that ripen in each month (May thru September/October, depending on the weather and harvest for the year). The Mahachanok is one the few mango varieties that seems to spread it harvest/ripening period out over months as opposed to just a few weeks or so.
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Another good reason to have more than one cultivar of lychee is to extend the season. Even if all 3 fruit they will fruit at slightly different times, hopefully, and extend your eating pleasure. So it's good to get an early, a mid season and a late seaon lychee as well as a reliable bearer.
Oscar
This was was first pet project when I began my collection of trees. Once I tasted fresh lychee I went about getting as many cultivars that I could to try to extend the season. Thankfully, I had enough room to buy at least two of each cultivar in my intial purchases. My idea was that by buying two trees, I might alleviate the potential for alternate bearing and get th trees of a particular cultivar alternating in opposing years. Well, from a scientific standpoint, that was not that well thought out an idea as the weather/temp conditions affect each tree the same so they do the same thing as the other every year. But, the good news....I have had even more lychees to enjoy!! So, it worked out fine.
Harry
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This was was first pet project when I began my collection of trees. Once I tasted fresh lychee I went about getting as many cultivars that I could to try to extend the season. Thankfully, I had enough room to buy at least two of each cultivar in my intial purchases. My idea was that by buying two trees, I might alleviate the potential for alternate bearing and get th trees of a particular cultivar alternating in opposing years. Well, from a scientific standpoint, that was not that well thought out an idea as the weather/temp conditions affect each tree the same so they do the same thing as the other every year. But, the good news....I have had even more lychees to enjoy!! So, it worked out fine.
Harry
If you have the room and ability to maintain all the trees always good ided to get 2 of each cultivar because you can easily loose one, and also because sometimes you get a tree that is not happy and produces inferior fruits. So easy to jump to wrong conclusion about a cultivar based on only one freak individual. Besides, you can never have too many lychees!
Oscar
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Always curious about the Maha Chanok tree in my yard... I asked my Thai friend & culinary expert, Ms. Ngamthip, about it. She had not tried the mango but was able to give some insight about its name. She said:
"Maha-chanok is a name of one of the incarnations of the Buddha. In Thai mythology, Buddha had 10 lives before he became the Buddha. Maha-chanok was the name of his tenth life. Thais love to give names with a great meaning. Maha means 'greatest' and chanok means 'father.' So both words together mean Greatest Father. Thais respect the king of Thailand as the Greatest Father so Mahachanok alludes to the king."
:)
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Maha = The great
Chinook = Father
In this case it mean the king, because King represent Dad for everyone in Thailand.
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I am really loving the Keow Savoy green mangos. How does mahachanok taste when green?
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I am really loving the Keow Savoy green mangos. How does mahachanok taste when green?
It tastes excellent green...problem is that it tastes even better ripe so unless you have a large crop, it is tough to sacrifice them whereas Keow Savoy, IMO, tastes much better green than ripe.
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Here is a post with a lot of info on the origin of the Maha Chanok: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=784.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=784.0)
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Here is a post with a lot of info on the origin of the Maha Chanok: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=784.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=784.0)
DNA results are in: and the parents are.....Nang Klang Wan and Sunset
http://agris.fao.org/agris-search/search.do?recordID=TH2002002430 (http://agris.fao.org/agris-search/search.do?recordID=TH2002002430)
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TropicDude - am I missing something?
In Murahilin' link in his post, and your's which looks
like the same, in the last sentence of the article
it says:
TropicDude - am I missing something?
"...These results indicate that Nga and Sunset to be highly likely Mahachanok's parents."
I think you were miss-reading the title of the article as being the answer to our
maha chinok's parental question....
(or maybe it's me.... ???)
Gary
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TropicDude - am I missing something?
In Murahilin' link in his post, and your's which looks
like the same, in the last sentence of the article
it says:
TropicDude - am I missing something?
"...These results indicate that Nga and Sunset to be highly likely Mahachanok's parents."
I think you were miss-reading the title of the article as being the answer to our
maha chinok's parental question....
(or maybe it's me.... ???)
Gary
That was originally in a separate thread, and I guess one of the moderators combined them, so now it looks like repeating. Mura and I were responding to another post that is now not in the thread, not sure if it got deleted or did not get included in the merging of the two threads.
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Maha Chinok is the name of a beautiful new mango variety out of Florida ;) – elongated with a beautiful pink and yellow blush when ripe. An upright and moderate grower, with sweet fiber-less fruit make the Maha Chinok mango a top tier mango for many growers.
http://leafylife.com/mango/ (http://leafylife.com/mango/)
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Always curious about the Maha Chanok tree in my yard... I asked my Thai friend & culinary expert, Ms. Ngamthip, about it. She had not tried the mango but was able to give some insight about its name. She said:
"Maha-chanok is a name of one of the incarnations of the Buddha. In Thai mythology, Buddha had 10 lives before he became the Buddha. Maha-chanok was the name of his tenth life. Thais love to give names with a great meaning. Maha means 'greatest' and chanok means 'father.' So both words together mean Greatest Father. Thais respect the king of Thailand as the Greatest Father so Mahachanok alludes to the king."
:)
Weird how the Thia took the Buddhist teachings...turned it into a blended religion infused with incarnation, when buddism is based soley around nirvana.
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Always curious about the Maha Chanok tree in my yard... I asked my Thai friend & culinary expert, Ms. Ngamthip, about it. She had not tried the mango but was able to give some insight about its name. She said:
"Maha-chanok is a name of one of the incarnations of the Buddha. In Thai mythology, Buddha had 10 lives before he became the Buddha. Maha-chanok was the name of his tenth life. Thais love to give names with a great meaning. Maha means 'greatest' and chanok means 'father.' So both words together mean Greatest Father. Thais respect the king of Thailand as the Greatest Father so Mahachanok alludes to the king."
:)
Wierd how the Thia took the Buddhist teachings...turned it into a blended religion infused with incarnation, when buddism is bases soley around nirvana.
That explanation is about the same as my wife told me when i asked her about the name "mahachanok"
Clay the Thai have their own version of budhism. I still don't understand how that works. When i drive around on the motorbike i get almost killed about every 5 minutes. When a straydog sleeps on the middle of a busy road (with his legs stretched out) they will all avoid it and many hours later it is still sleeping there. ;D
But many asian mango's have names that refer to very high persons like emperors, maharadja's, brahmans, kings.
I can only say that mahachanok is not a new a new mango from Florida and that it is a nice mango but ndm is better. Mahachanok reminds me of carrots. I am on the lookout for them because mangoseason is starting here, guess soon i will find them again and i sure will buy some. They don't have much color here unfortunately, maybe a pink blush but i have seen very colorfull ones on the web. I grafted some branches onto my tree at the sunnyside but they didn't bloom so far but that can happen any day from now (i hope). The branches became very long though, much longer then ndm-branches, so i pruned some of them back and they sprouted a lot which i like.
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Always curious about the Maha Chanok tree in my yard... I asked my Thai friend & culinary expert, Ms. Ngamthip, about it. She had not tried the mango but was able to give some insight about its name. She said:
"Maha-chanok is a name of one of the incarnations of the Buddha. In Thai mythology, Buddha had 10 lives before he became the Buddha. Maha-chanok was the name of his tenth life. Thais love to give names with a great meaning. Maha means 'greatest' and chanok means 'father.' So both words together mean Greatest Father. Thais respect the king of Thailand as the Greatest Father so Mahachanok alludes to the king."
:)
Wierd how the Thia took the Buddhist teachings...turned it into a blended religion infused with incarnation, when buddism is bases soley around nirvana.
That explanation is about the same as my wife told me when i asked her about the name "mahachanok"
Clay the Thai have their own version of budhism. I still don't understand how that works. When i drive around on the motorbike i get almost killed about every 5 minutes. When a straydog sleeps on the middle of a busy road (with his legs stretched out) they will all avoid it and many hours later it is still sleeping there. ;D
But many asian mango's have names that refer to very high persons like emperors, maharadja's, brahmans, kings.
I can only say that mahachanok is not a new a new mango from Florida and that it is a nice mango but ndm is better. Mahachanok reminds me of carrots. I am on the lookout for them because mangoseason is starting here, guess soon i will find them again and i sure will buy some. They don't have much color here unfortunately, maybe a pink blush but i have seen very colorfull ones on the web. I grafted some branches onto my tree at the sunnyside but they didn't bloom so far but that can happen any day from now (i hope). The branches became very long though, much longer then ndm-branches, so i pruned some of them back and they sprouted a lot which i like.
The beliefs are very interesting nonetheless Bangkok... I visited several Buddhist temples in Phukett.... Incredible spritual places..... I love the study of religions, even though I'm not religious... Buddhism is by far probably the most entriguing with the most peaceful teachings society could actually benefit from with a true sense of ethics and moral reasoning. unlike Christianity or Islam for example which teach/promote rape, murder, genocide, slavery, incest, polygamy, etc.
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I am Thai being born in Bangkok, also exporting Maha Chanok mango.
I think.....Maha Chanok is Thai name originated from Thailand.
Here is the link for more The Story of Maha Chanok. Hope this help.
http://www.pattayamail.com/localnews/perseverance-in-his-majesty-the-king-s-the-story-of-mahajanaka-44147 (http://www.pattayamail.com/localnews/perseverance-in-his-majesty-the-king-s-the-story-of-mahajanaka-44147)
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I am Thai being born in Bangkok, also exporting Maha Chanok mango.
I think.....Maha Chanok is Thai name originated from Thailand.
Here is the link for more The Story of Maha Chanok. Hope this help.
http://www.pattayamail.com/localnews/perseverance-in-his-majesty-the-king-s-the-story-of-mahajanaka-44147 (http://www.pattayamail.com/localnews/perseverance-in-his-majesty-the-king-s-the-story-of-mahajanaka-44147)
Thanks for posting, but in reading the article, I don't see how it helps explain the origin of the Mahachanok mango. Please explain.
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Harry, how is the maha seedling project progressing? Any updates?
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Harry, how is the maha seedling project progressing? Any updates?
Not a great year for this project. The tree that I call NE for northeast, the fruit of which is my forum avatar, flowered and fruited nicely. Its carrying a decent sized crop. The NW or northwestern tree flowered lightly but set only a fruit or two. The S , or southern tree flowered and didn't set any fruit at all as far as I can see.
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So if the Maha Chanok is descended from the variety called 'sunset', how did it end up in Thailand? Does this mean that it's a relatively new variety, considering the fact that sunset is estimated to be a cross involving Haden as one of the parents?
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So if the Maha Chanok is descended from the variety called 'sunset', how did it end up in Thailand?
Presumably the same way Thai mangos end up here ;)
The person whose property Maha Chanok originated on in Thailand had a number of Florida cultivars in his collection.
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So if the Maha Chanok is descended from the variety called 'sunset', how did it end up in Thailand?
Presumably the same way Thai mangos end up here ;)
The person whose property Maha Chanok originated on in Thailand had a number of Florida cultivars in his collection.
That makes a lot of sense then!