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Citrus => Citrus General Discussion => Topic started by: Samodelkin on May 30, 2019, 11:15:14 AM
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House inside the greenhouse. The heat loss of the house to heat the greenhouse. In the greenhouse it is now possible to grow a citrus garden
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The second question is whether it is possible to instill 10-30 varieties on one tree... And grow a garden of multi-grade trees
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House inside the greenhouse. The heat loss of the house to heat the greenhouse. In the greenhouse it is now possible to grow a citrus garden
There are some problems like Radon, you have to choose area with zero radon gas concentration, another is high air humidity etc.
Heat loss is not enough to keep temperature above zero in big greenhouse.
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Assuming zoning/building codes allowed something like this, excess heat would be the most immediate problem.
There's a lot of good solutions for really efficient houses and greenhouses using nonstandard building techniques. I couldn't even my local government to approve a foundation type specified in the national contruction code that they base their codes on - because they weren't familiar with it - a Frost Protected Shallow Foundation.
Insurer's wouldn't insure something like this either.
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zero radon??
At high altitude greenhouse temperature will not be a problem
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Glass and metal
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That's really neat. Is that your house? You've already done this?
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There is such a house in sweden. It costs a lot.
In that climate it is okay during the summer.
https://www.ecowatch.com/couple-builds-greenhouse-around-home-to-grow-food-and-keep-warm-1882128131.html (https://www.ecowatch.com/couple-builds-greenhouse-around-home-to-grow-food-and-keep-warm-1882128131.html)
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I would think the house would have a major problem with mold & rott.
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In Sweden near Stockholm air is dry during the summer. It's easy to vent.
If someone tries to do this in a zone with hot summers. It would be an oven.
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lebmung, asked if 10 to 30 varieties of citrus could be grafted upon one tree. The answer is yes. Joe Real, a member of this forum, had over 100 citrus varieties grafted on one tree.
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I did. There is no problem with mold & rott in the house. I designed the roof, so there's no heat. I do not use mesh and whitewash for shading
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There is no problem to instill 100 varieties. The problem is to balance the crown
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Shading is grapes - varieties from Central Asia
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The supply air humidification system keeps the heat at or even lower than outside
https://www.yandex.ru/search/?lr=146&offline_search=1&text=cooling%20of%20greenhouses%20in%20Israel#/videowiz?filmId=3761010455593031117 (https://www.yandex.ru/search/?lr=146&offline_search=1&text=cooling%20of%20greenhouses%20in%20Israel#/videowiz?filmId=3761010455593031117)
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zero radon??
At high altitude greenhouse temperature will not be a problem
Radon from soil is dangerous, when concentrated.
In my country there are companies who provide measurement of radon level in building plot, when level is low, regular ventilation is enough. When high, special isulation of base is needed when you build a house. When you cover house with greenhouse, you will encrease radon concentration.
Greenhouse temperature can easy reach 50°C durig summer, high greenhouse can help, but water will condense on house walls and windows.
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For 7 years, the temperature in the greenhouse did not rise above 40C. In winter, water condenses on the outer walls of the greenhouse, there is no water on the walls of the house
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Very nice plants Samodelkin
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I like red citrus varieties
C. meyerii x c. sinensis "doppio sanguigno"
C. clementina "amoa 8"
(http://f23.ifotki.info/org/1f5888d6c915858561bc9dda7d5c7e8abcbf14300687464.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
(http://f23.ifotki.info/org/17397bde6bebbadc221e2d030132546dbcbf14300687465.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
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Very nice work! I am thinking about something like this since a long time. Congrats!
Here are some ideas I would like to contribute for everyone how is interested:
In Germany there is a company using a greenhouse around the house to heat it. The oven is placed outside in the greenhouse cause it is too warm otherwise. To prevent mold it is vented on top and walls are water vapour permeable. Water vapour will follow natural vapour pressure from inside to outside. No mold and rotting issues. Radon is discharged to the outside.
These houses have very low heating costs. But your area is definately colder in winter but might have more sun in winter?
https://www.bio-solar-haus.de/ (https://www.bio-solar-haus.de/)
This might be the same house in Sweden like in the link from lebmung
https://lantliv.com/lantliga-hem/vi-byggde-vart-hus-i-ett-glasvaxthus/ (https://lantliv.com/lantliga-hem/vi-byggde-vart-hus-i-ett-glasvaxthus/)
There is a very clever way to heat a greenhouse (and the house) in Nebraska made by Russ Finch.
This won`t work in Germany cause soil temperatures are colder due to missing snow cover in winter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_3_gsgsnk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_3_gsgsnk)
http://www.citrusinthesnow.com/ (http://www.citrusinthesnow.com/)
Is there a more detailed description of your house somewhere? I am interested in technical details like floor plans, ventilation, air flow etc.
Would be really interesting!
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In winter, a lot of sun - it helps to save on heating the house. The house inside the greenhouse cools down for a very long time, so no heating is required on Sunny days. Heating in winter dries the air in the house, the greenhouse corrects it.
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Interesting that it is not overheated in summer. That was my main concern. Do have any special technic to prevent overheating or is it just the system by itself?
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In the house and the greenhouse there is no ventilation system - only windows.
In the greenhouse for cooling and humidifying sprinkling system
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/39f730fb5c4d1015351b3fa81ebaaa86bcbf14342122099.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
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How do you heat in winter? Do you use gas or oil?
I am really impressed a simple but efficient system!
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I use wood for heating. In the greenhouse from the boiler pipe with hot water - this solves the problem of rotting roots
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How cold does it get in winter inside and outside? I saw climate chart for your area and it is not so different from ours when only compared by average temperatures.
Heating the ground is best. Air heating is mostly a waste of energy. In my house I heat the walls without insulation on the outside. It saves 1/3 of the cost compared to before with standard radiator air heating. The best I can open windows without feeling the cold in winter.
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Winter day temperatures mostly higher 0S. At night can be up to-10S, every few years to -15S. The temperature inside the greenhouse at night does not fall below 0C, but with prolonged cooling was -3 -5C. During the day in January, the temperature can rise to +20. In February, the temperature drop in the greenhouse +5+25
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The temperature changes resemble the climate of Sicily. Red varieties make an excellent color and flavor
C. sinensis "Sanguinelli"
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(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/7f68bc2869f17e268033e2f9e58e0e11bcbf14332872020.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
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Those are Sanguinelli? I thought Sanguinelli was very lightly colored and I've never seen stripes.
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The "stripes" normally indicate a variegated tree...
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Then again... https://flora-toskana.com/en/citrus-plants/945-citrus-sinensis-doppio-sanguinello-blut-orange.html
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(https://flora-toskana.com/7695-tm_large_default/citrus-sinensis-doppio-sanguinello-blut-orange.jpg)
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Wow, that's really neat looking. I'm still waiting for my variegated minneola's stripes to turn red. I didn't realize there were variegated varieties of so many types.
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Stripped minneola will not turn red. Only blood citrus varieties.
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Not even all blood oranges will turn red. I have a variegated blood orange & it just turns orange with light yellow stripes.
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They are different varieties
C. meyerii x c. sinensis "doppio sanguigno"
С. sinensis "Sanguinelli"
In the photo from left to right
C. ponderosa
C. meyerii x c. sinensis "doppio sanguigno"
С. sinensis "Sanguinelli"
C. clementina "amoa 8"
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/265e5f89b1e5c407deb2647a73afcefdbcbf14342151783.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/82259e9a457f979e1c2cec0171bb510bbcbf14342151784.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
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They are different varieties
C. meyerii x c. sinensis "doppio sanguigno"
С. sinensis "Sanguinelli"
In the photo from left to right
C. ponderosa
C. meyerii x c. sinensis "doppio sanguigno"
С. sinensis "Sanguinelli"
C. clementina "amoa 8"
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/265e5f89b1e5c407deb2647a73afcefdbcbf14342151783.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/82259e9a457f979e1c2cec0171bb510bbcbf14342151784.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Hi! First i want to congratulate you for your trees and fruits! Great work! Then do you like your amoa8 fruits? I have one tree but don't have fruits yet... Thank's! ;)
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Amoa8 excellent red сlementine with berry flavor. The peel is rough and poorly cleaned, but the color and taste of the pulp is excellent
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Amoa8 excellent red сlementine with berry flavor. The peel is rough and poorly cleaned, but the color and taste of the pulp is excellent
Thank you very much! I read somewere that was just for decoration. ;)
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Beautiful color, you must be rightfully proud!
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Looks fantastic, something to be proud of!
My Moro's turn burgundy and the flavor is awesome.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZCTdwhZF/Moro-Feb16.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZCTdwhZF)
Makes excellent marmalade too.
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C. otaitensis di Napoli
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/69353cc2a1047344cb4426afe4b1513abcbf14339267809.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
С. Navel Chocolate
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/15bacefbf7632e3492917284a261e0f6bcbf14339267810.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
C. Pursha
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/407cc4338a0f468e18df55afc2d7dba5bcbf14339267811.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Cocktail pummelo hybrid
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/26377ed6a19bcfe9592ceb605247dd17bcbf14341887288.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
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C. sinensis "Valencia Late"
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Stripped minneola will not turn red. Only blood citrus varieties.
I meant red stripes on the outside (maybe more orange than red), I realize the flesh inside will not be red. I learned about variegated minneola from this thread: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14434.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14434.0)
here's one of the images that Galka posted:
(http://i.imgur.com/PZBy6Fy.jpg?1)
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C. sinensis "quattro stagioni"
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/31413685b52e33b4e493f11da09a68c2bcbf14342426366.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/e956dbff70b538b92dc3afcf44019ee4bcbf14342426367.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
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So what is Quatiro Simferopol. Is this some special cultivar. What is the equivalent English name so the membership can identify it? I've never heard of this fruit name before.
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It's an orange variety from Tintori. You can call the orange four seasons. The frequency of flowering can be compared with lemon lunario
https://www.oscartintori.it/prodotto/arancio-dolce-quattro-stagioni/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/prodotto/arancio-dolce-quattro-stagioni/)
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It's an orange variety from Tintori. You can call the orange four seasons. The frequency of flowering can be compared with lemon lunario
https://www.oscartintori.it/prodotto/arancio-dolce-quattro-stagioni/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/prodotto/arancio-dolce-quattro-stagioni/)
Hi! Ans the size of this oranges? Biger medium large or more like seville? Thank's!
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it is great having home made oranges all year long. Did not know about this variety.
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The temperature changes resemble the climate of Sicily. Red varieties make an excellent color and flavor
C. sinensis "Sanguinelli"
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/b018b9e6c9dd07fbd040b5f7b8dfa119bcbf14332872022.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
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(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/0cd2085588e3e104c3fad3c585787c9dbcbf14332872021.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Never seen this before.Interesting alien.
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Orange 4 season C. sinensis "quattro stagioni"
A distinctive feature of the variety - almost constant flowering. The fruit ripens more than a year. Fruit weight 280gr., the peel is thin orange fragrant. The flesh is very tender and juicy, fine-grained. The taste is excellent rich sweet and sour.
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Citrus tree on 2 roots of different varieties. I have a problem with chlorosis in my garden when using trifoliates as a rootstock. The second inoculation of rootstock - Pamela freed from chlorosis and enhanced the nutrition of the tree.
Vaccination of additional rootstock - for example, lemon, will help to grow citrus on trifoliate without cold wintering.
One leg is good and two legs are even better!
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Lime Australiano Red Centre o Blood Lime
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/91d6cf665da83aeb56ca6a87a8193021bcbf14344579105.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Citrus ichangensis ivia
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(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/c77de49fb5cfbea8e454fb03c5b41f16bcbf14344579108.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
С.limon variegata alba
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Citrus tree on 2 roots of different varieties. I have a problem with chlorosis in my garden when using trifoliates as a rootstock. The second inoculation of rootstock - Pamela freed from chlorosis and enhanced the nutrition of the tree.
Yep, and Flying Dragon is the worst. If you can get your hands on Keyplex 350DP, it's really good.