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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: nighthawk0911@yahoo.com on August 06, 2018, 04:45:19 PM
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1. Season - PPK wins. PPK is early when good varieties are harder to find. As an early variety it may also sometimes set a 2nd crop.
2. Disease resistance - PPK likely wins here also as being a cleaner fruit.
3. Ripening - PPK wins. OS is prone to soft/jelly nose & quite noticeable uneven ripening. All 3 I tried had it to some extent.
3. Flavor & Texture - This may boil down to personal preference, but I have to give it to PPK here also. The uneven ripening of OS effects it's texture score. OS has more of a Orange/Mango Capri-Sun juice flavor - not sherbet. It is juicier & a tad sweeter than PPK. PPK has a tart lemon pie filling texture flavor when a day under ripe and a sweet orange cream flavor when a day over ripe. PPK is okay a bit under ripe, OS not so much as such PPK may have a slightly longer window for good flavor. OS has a little classic mango flavor mixed in with the orange. PPK not so much - it's pretty much just lemon/orange citrus.
4. Shipping - It might be close but I would suspect that PPK would ship better also.
Summary: The flavor between the two is similar enough such that you probably don't need or want both trees especially if space is limited. If the choice is between PPK & OS for buying and planting a tree I gotta go with PPK. Alex/Squam at Tropical Acres told me he recommends growing PPK over OS also. My advice don't rush out & buy an OS Sherbet tree till you have tasted it & done a fair comparison to PPK. OS is a tasty fruit, but it ain't no "10". There was absolutely no bias here as I was actually hoping that OS would even be better than PPK.
Final Overall Score: PPK 8.5..............OS 8.0
Let the fights begin............
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OS no contest. PPK didn’t even make the top 30 2018..... it’s been a bad year
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OS no contest. PPK didn’t even make the top 30 2018..... it’s been a bad year
Really? Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes. PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.
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I had OS from both mangomen and Zills. Came in third after homegrown 0-2 and Lemon Zest.
Didn’t get to try ppk this year
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I agree that PPK is better, but with some caveats
1) Season: OS being later season allows one to spread out their orange and lemon mango happiness, so this is actually a good thing. You get PPK early, then LZ mid, then OS latish mid.
2) OS is actually pretty disease resistant.
3) Ripening: OS, when picked green, ripens very well. It must be picked mature green though.
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OS no contest. PPK didn’t even make the top 30 2018..... it’s been a bad year
Really? Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes. PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.
Top selling does not make them the best. Carrie is a huge seller in this area due to the large Indian population.
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This picking green $hit is the cause of a lot of the tasting issues.
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PPK imo. I had several of both this year. I ate some tree ripened PPK from F&S Park this year that were the best I’ve ever had. I mean just unbelievable
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OS no contest. PPK didn’t even make the top 30 2018..... it’s been a bad year
Really? Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes. PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.
Top selling does not make them the best. Carrie is a huge seller in this area due to the large Indian population.
I agree with Rob, look at the rest of the top 5 sellers. Glenn and VP are nice Mangos but they’re not top tier in my book. Flavor wise, I prefer Lemon Zest over PPK and Orange Sherbet. I have one last OS ripening in my garage so it still has a chance this year.
All three of these varieties are absolutely delicious and I have to have them all. I plan on grafting a bunch of multigraft trees with all three varieties. It will be interesting to see how far apart they ripen when grown on the same rootstock.
Simon
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I have 50 mature mango trees with 20+ varieties and 3 are PPK. These weren't by my choice the previous owner planted them. I don't have Orange Sherbet but did plant 10 Lemon Zest this spring. I sold as many mangoes as I could this season but my most requested was PPK. They are just so radically different they appeal even to folks who get 'jaded' by mangoes as the season progresses. I include myself in that category as I try to eat everything even windfalls.
Here in SW FL PPK seems to bloom early enough the past two seasons I had 3 flowering flushes so a long season which just ended a week ago.
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For me the descriptions of everything Nighthawk said was amazingly my thinking too. And at first I was confused about all the previous great talk on the Forum about OS. BUT everyone I gave OS to raved about it. It’s a matter of taste. I planted 20 OS and was feeling like an idiot cause for me it wasn’t so great. But the raving reviews from all my friends made me realize it’s just me.
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It's actually backwards. It's common knowledge that one way to mitigate internal breakdown is to pick mature green. It's even mentioned in IFAS' "Mango Growing in the Home Landscape" article (scroll down to "Internal Breakdown" http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg216 (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg216)).
I know this from experience -- having picked mangoes at various stages over the past few harvest seasons. Flavor is often enhanced by picking mature green.
OS is one mango that is very prone to internal breakdown disorders and should be picked mature green.
This picking green $hit is the cause of a lot of the tasting issues.
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For me the descriptions of everything Nighthawk said was amazingly my thinking too. And at first I was confused about all the previous great talk on the Forum about OS. BUT everyone I gave OS to raved about it. It’s a matter of taste. I planted 20 OS and was feeling like an idiot cause for me it wasn’t so great. But the raving reviews from all my friends made me realize it’s just me.
It also varies with each season and there can even be huge variations in Fruit quality of fruit from the same tree. Early Fruit or Fruit that was harvested around the timeframe where heavy rains or overwatering occurred can be watered down in taste. Late season Fruit harvested in dry weather on the South facing side of the tree or the side of the tree that gets more sun can be sweeter and more flavorful.
Simon
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OS no contest. PPK didn’t even make the top 30 2018..... it’s been a bad year
Really? Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes. PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.
Top selling does not make them the best. Carrie is a huge seller in this area due to the large Indian population.
LMAO - Rob never misses an opportunity to trash Carrie. He must have had forced by his evil step-mother to eat Carries as a child. Nobody is saying you have to like Carries bro, just be intellectually honest enough to acknowledge that it is a very popular mango with the majority of mango lovers. It doesn't need immigrants from Jamaica or Bombay to prop it up. Carrie is still my personal favorite & the one tree I would have if I could only have one. Carrie & Glenn are probably what nurseries recommend the most for backyard varieties. When my neighbors beg me for mangoes - it's the Carries they want. You're a smart guy & you know it's true.
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It's actually backwards. It's common knowledge that one way to mitigate internal breakdown is to pick mature green. It's even mentioned in IFAS' "Mango Growing in the Home Landscape" article (scroll down to "Internal Breakdown" http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg216 (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg216)).
I know this from experience -- having picked mangoes at various stages over the past few harvest seasons. Flavor is often enhanced by picking mature green.
OS is one mango that is very prone to internal breakdown disorders and should be picked mature green.
This picking green $hit is the cause of a lot of the tasting issues.
Sirry, I disagree 100%. Any mango picked green will hae some level of acidity that one picked tree ripe wont have. I have been picking these for many years at Walter's and have had the ability to try them at many stages. To me and most who purchase from him (and those I have personally sold to, tree ripe rules.
I have eaten a ton of mangoes picked mature green from ZHPP, totally different experience and not usually in a good way. If you look backbat many reciews on Gardenweb of the newer varieties that were numbers before they were named, the fruit were not given high praise. The Sweet Tart and Pineapple Pleasure, to name a couole, were horrid picked green. Pina Colada could have been sold to the school board as teacher's chalk.
Bottom line, to each their own...BUT...mist that I have sold to and shared with very much prefer tree ripe. These are mangoes to be eaten niw, not shipped commercially.
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OS no contest. PPK didn’t even make the top 30 2018..... it’s been a bad year
Really? Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes. PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.
Top selling does not make them the best. Carrie is a huge seller in this area due to the large Indian population.
LMAO - Rob never misses an opportunity to trash Carrie. He must have had forced by his evil step-mother to eat Carries as a child. Nobody is saying you have to like Carries bro, just be intellectually honest enough to acknowledge that it is a very popular mango with the majority of mango lovers. It doesn't need immigrants from Jamaica or Bombay to prop it up. Carrie is still my personal favorite & the one tree I would have if I could only have one. Carrie & Glenn are probably what nurseries recommend the most for backyard varieties. When my neighbors beg me for mangoes - it's the Carries they want. You're a smart guy & you know it's true.
I admit its popular to certain groups. I will also admit a tray of 30 Carrie will sell no faster than a tray of 30 LZ, Peach Cobbler, Pina Colada, E4, etc.
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It sounds like you're describing mangoes picked immature green (not mature green). A mango picked mature green takes 4 - 7 days to ripen, and there should be no discernible difference in acidity nor brix. If you pick immature green (ie, to where it takes 2+ weeks to ripen), then you will note more of an acid component and lower brix.
It does take a bit of practice to pick them mature green though. I still get it wrong more times than I care to admit. Ms Wenzel of Truly Tropical has many great videos where she details the characteristics she looks for when picking a mango -- on a cultivar by cultivar basis, as it does vary.
I use 4 main signals to determine mature green stage, in combination:
- Time of year (cultivar dependent). For example, LZ can generally be picked starting sometime in July here in FL.
- A color change from dark green to lighter green (a yellowing of the skin)
- Firmness. A mature green fruit will have just a tiny bit of give when squeezed very hard (vs rock hard)
- Size + shape (eg, shoulder fill -- largely cultivar dependent)
There is a difference in texture (ie, chalkiness) between a tree ripened mango and one ripened indoors. The former can be more watery / gelatinous, but I believe this is more a factor of potassium to calcium levels in the fruit (you can create the same texture by upping potassium and holding back on calcium).
With OS, you sort of have 2 options: pick mature green and get a delectable mango, or allow to tree ripen and eat a gelatinous ball of goop. Is it extremely susceptible to internal breakdown (even Walter complained about that). On good years, some of the fruit turn out OK. On bad years, most of the fruit get soft nose or jelly seed.
It's actually backwards. It's common knowledge that one way to mitigate internal breakdown is to pick mature green. It's even mentioned in IFAS' "Mango Growing in the Home Landscape" article (scroll down to "Internal Breakdown" http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg216 (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg216)).
I know this from experience -- having picked mangoes at various stages over the past few harvest seasons. Flavor is often enhanced by picking mature green.
OS is one mango that is very prone to internal breakdown disorders and should be picked mature green.
This picking green $hit is the cause of a lot of the tasting issues.
Sirry, I disagree 100%. Any mango picked green will hae some level of acidity that one picked tree ripe wont have. I have been picking these for many years at Walter's and have had the ability to try them at many stages. To me and most who purchase from him (and those I have personally sold to, tree ripe rules.
I have eaten a ton of mangoes picked mature green from ZHPP, totally different experience and not usually in a good way. If you look backbat many reciews on Gardenweb of the newer varieties that were numbers before they were named, the fruit were not given high praise. The Sweet Tart and Pineapple Pleasure, to name a couole, were horrid picked green. Pina Colada could have been sold to the school board as teacher's chalk.
Bottom line, to each their own...BUT...mist that I have sold to and shared with very much prefer tree ripe. These are mangoes to be eaten niw, not shipped commercially.
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OS no contest. PPK didn’t even make the top 30 2018..... it’s been a bad year
Really? Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes. PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.
Top selling does not make them the best. Carrie is a huge seller in this area due to the large Indian population.
I got more first hand testimony about the Carrie reputation in Florida within the lets say extended "Indian" community/ This fellow is from Bangladesh so all part of the subcontinent. He knew all about Carrie mango and got many off my tree including the last one. He came by a month ago with their childen and some in-laws and were taking selfie type photos as the children were directed which ripe Carrie mango to give a pull to and take off the tree.
Today I asked him why he and family like mangoes (not just Carrie) so much. He said because they are like candy. This is literally what he said. I am a huge Carrie fan myself and for lack of better words....... I am white old school American, so there!
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I’ve had about 10 PPK this year and was looking forward to eating them since they have always been on my top ten list for years....until this year. I received the fruits hard rock green and I waited until they yellowed up. The texture was gelatinous and the flavor underwhelming i was surprised and disappointed
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Who were they from?
I’ve had about 10 PPK this year and was looking forward to eating them since they have always been on my top ten list for years....until this year. I received the fruits hard rock green and I waited until they yellowed up. The texture was gelatinous and the flavor underwhelming i was surprised and disappointed
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Who were they from?
I’ve had about 10 PPK this year and was looking forward to eating them since they have always been on my top ten list for years....until this year. I received the fruits hard rock green and I waited until they yellowed up. The texture was gelatinous and the flavor underwhelming i was surprised and disappointed
from a friend in Florida zhpp I believe
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Excuse my ignorance, but what does PPK stand for? Thanks.
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PPK (Lemon Meringue) over OS for me. Of all the mango trees in my backyard, and I have 18, the mango most in demand among friends in the U.S. and even among relatives (I have taken Carrie, Bailey's Marvel, Maha Chanok, PPK and Edgar to India during my vacations), is PPK.
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It's actually backwards. It's common knowledge that one way to mitigate internal breakdown is to pick mature green. It's even mentioned in IFAS' "Mango Growing in the Home Landscape" article (scroll down to "Internal Breakdown" http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg216 (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg216)).
I know this from experience -- having picked mangoes at various stages over the past few harvest seasons. Flavor is often enhanced by picking mature green.
OS is one mango that is very prone to internal breakdown disorders and should be picked mature green.
This picking green $hit is the cause of a lot of the tasting issues.
Sirry, I disagree 100%. Any mango picked green will hae some level of acidity that one picked tree ripe wont have. I have been picking these for many years at Walter's and have had the ability to try them at many stages. To me and most who purchase from him (and those I have personally sold to, tree ripe rules.
I have eaten a ton of mangoes picked mature green from ZHPP, totally different experience and not usually in a good way. If you look backbat many reciews on Gardenweb of the newer varieties that were numbers before they were named, the fruit were not given high praise. The Sweet Tart and Pineapple Pleasure, to name a couole, were horrid picked green. Pina Colada could have been sold to the school board as teacher's chalk.
Bottom line, to each their own...BUT...mist that I have sold to and shared with very much prefer tree ripe. These are mangoes to be eaten niw, not shipped commercially.
I have to agree 100% with bsbullie. The whole reason I started planting my own trees was that I was tired of under ripe/picked green fruit. Now I have 150 mango trees alone.
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Excuse my ignorance, but what does PPK stand for? Thanks.
Po Pyu Kalay, from Myanmar/Burma. Also called "Lemon Meringue." My question: Who came up with the name "LM?" Was it the Zills?
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Excuse my ignorance, but what does PPK stand for? Thanks.
Po Pyu Kalay, from Myanmar/Burma. Also called "Lemon Meringue." My question: Who came up with the name "LM?" Was it the Zills?
Yes
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Zill tasted it and loved it renamed it for the taste and started grafting then.
That the story I heard at least.
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Zill tasted it and loved it renamed it for the taste and started grafting then.
That the story I heard at least.
Yeah, no...will leave it at that.
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Sounds like zill hpp had a bad harvest year. For me, it was the worst year for mango flavor in the dozen or so years I've been growing and harvesting them here. You might want to give them another shot next year. PPK is normally extremely good. I've eaten Gary Zill's mangoes in previous years, and they've generally been of high quality. Walter's fruits are normally high quality as well.
Who were they from?
I’ve had about 10 PPK this year and was looking forward to eating them since they have always been on my top ten list for years....until this year. I received the fruits hard rock green and I waited until they yellowed up. The texture was gelatinous and the flavor underwhelming i was surprised and disappointed
from a friend in Florida zhpp I believe
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Odd. I've been growing and harvesting mangoes for about a dozen years. Never noted any negative effect in terms of flavor and texture by harvesting mature green and ripening indoors. It is counter-intuitive, and generally newer growers are extremely reluctant to believe such an outlandish concept -- since grocery store fruit is generally of lower quality (I think there are other factors at play, and I think they harvest towards the immature end of the spectrum). It took me several years to convince myself of this.
The current year was absolutely the worst I can remember in terms of flavor, but that was true for both tree ripened fruit and fruit ripened indoors.
And, in reference to the Orange Sherbet mango referenced at the beginning of this thread (picture on another thread), the reason why it had soft nose disorder was precisely because it was allowed to stay too long on the tree (I know this because I've been harvesting OS from my tree over the past couple of months and have experimented both ways). But, most of us like to find these things out the hard way :D.
For reference, here is the OS that nighthawk is referring to:
https://postimg.cc/image/hprj4ku59/
I have to agree 100% with bsbullie. The whole reason I started planting my own trees was that I was tired of under ripe/picked green fruit. Now I have 150 mango trees alone.
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When I say tree ripe, I dont mean you pick and its ready to eat. Its more of a color change/maturity stage and still may take a couple or few days to be ready to eat (but certainly different than mature green).
Jeff, you also prefer that chalkiness and the acidic component, in some, or all(?), mangoes, that I say is more of that found from picking mature green. Now, to be honest, some can be and even benefit, Mallika as one, if picked at the proper mature green stage (very hard to determine on a regular basis) but tbis is the outlier.
This all debatable however its a matter of choice to those eating (and thats where I say I have found more prefer them picked "tree ripe"), not what is right or wrong.
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An off-tree ripening period of a week or less is ideal.
Mallika seems to need a week or more in order to lose the musky flavor (Dr Richard Campbell once said it tastes like "gym socks"). Fortunately, I don't mind the musky component. I'm still trying to figure the mallika out though. A good percentage of the fruits get some sort of internal cavity disorder, and the ones that are edible seem to vary quite a bit in terms of flavor.
When I say tree ripe, I dont mean you pick and its ready to eat. Its more of a color change/maturity stage and still may take a couple or few days to be ready to eat (but certainly different than mature green).
Jeff, you also prefer that chalkiness and the acidic component, in some, or all(?), mangoes, that I say is more of that found from picking mature green. Now, to be honest, some can be and even benefit, Mallika as one, if picked at the proper mature green stage (very hard to determine on a regular basis) but tbis is the outlier.
This all debatable however its a matter of choice to those eating (and thats where I say I have found more prefer them picked "tree ripe"), not what is right or wrong.
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An off-tree ripening period of a week or less is ideal.
Mallika seems to need a week or more in order to lose the musky flavor (Dr Richard Campbell once said it tastes like "gym socks"). Fortunately, I don't mind the musky component. I'm still trying to figure the mallika out though. A good percentage of the fruits get some sort of internal cavity disorder, and the ones that are edible seem to vary quite a bit in terms of flavor.
When I say tree ripe, I dont mean you pick and its ready to eat. Its more of a color change/maturity stage and still may take a couple or few days to be ready to eat (but certainly different than mature green).
Jeff, you also prefer that chalkiness and the acidic component, in some, or all(?), mangoes, that I say is more of that found from picking mature green. Now, to be honest, some can be and even benefit, Mallika as one, if picked at the proper mature green stage (very hard to determine on a regular basis) but tbis is the outlier.
This all debatable however its a matter of choice to those eating (and thats where I say I have found more prefer them picked "tree ripe"), not what is right or wrong.
Not sure if I've just been lucky, I've never had a bad Mallika (or a bad Carrie) and I've had them from different sources. Both have been very consistent for me. As long as both are picked early/mature green & allowed to ripen to a full bright/dark orange color without going over ripe, all the ones I've had have been deserving of PIN's 5 star flavor rating. It should be noted that it is a full flavored mango same as a Carrie. My guess is people who don't like Carrie won't like Mallika as it's even stronger flavored than Carrie. Both Mallika & Carrie are mango lovers mangoes. It's not a mango for people who think a Glenn tastes too strong.
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Carrie and Mallika are absolutely nothing alike.
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Carrie and Mallika are absolutely nothing alike.
My taste buds beg to differ.......IMHE. While I am still thinking about planting a Mallika the season/flavor profile is similar enough to the mature Carrie that I already have that I don't feel the need.
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Carrie and Mallika are absolutely nothing alike.
My taste buds beg to differ.......IMHE. While I am still thinking about planting a Mallika the season/flavor profile is similar enough to the mature Carrie that I already have that I don't feel the need.
Me thinks your taste buds have an issue.. need a re-calibration...
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Carrie and Mallika are absolutely nothing alike.
X 1,000,000
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The smallish, well-loaded tree of Lemon Zest that I observed this year, had about 90% of the fruits destroyed by what appears to be Mango Bacterial Black Spot. Although one side of the fruits was usually edible, the bad side was too gross to present, not even on a "severely-defective-mangos-for-chutney" table. I hope we find some effective protocol for prevention of MBBS, as Lemon Zest is way too wonderful a fruit to give up on.
Po Pyu Kalay / Lemon Meringue was also very affected by the apparent MBBS, but less than 10% were destroyed, while more than half had several very small, very black, raised, split and oozing spots. This decreased in frequency when I switched to sanitation harvesting, picking fruits of all varieties as soon as the spots became obvious, as the chance is reduced to zilch that any increase in value will occur from leaving the fruits longer on the trees. So the fruits are blemished and often greener than we would like. Not having fruits with active oozing on the trees does give some fruits a chance to be clean.
I have not observed Orange Sherbet in the presence of this disease.
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Interesting. About 5% of my OS harvest had MBBS this year.
My keitt, which would regularly lose 90% of its crop to MBBS was down to about 50% crop loss this year, and even those with MBBS spotting held on the tree much longer than before. I think the hard pruning followed by copper treatment did help. I didn't note any MBBS until my spray routine went from once every 2 weeks to once a month or more (somewhere around June). I feel like there is some hope that a fortnightly copper spray will ameliorate the symptoms. Going to test my theory next year :-).
The smallish, well-loaded tree of Lemon Zest that I observed this year, had about 90% of the fruits destroyed by what appears to be Mango Bacterial Black Spot. Although one side of the fruits was usually edible, the bad side was too gross to present, not even on a "severely-defective-mangos-for-chutney" table. I hope we find some effective protocol for prevention of MBBS, as Lemon Zest is way too wonderful a fruit to give up on.
Po Pyu Kalay / Lemon Meringue was also very affected by the apparent MBBS, but less than 10% were destroyed, while more than half had several very small, very black, raised, split and oozing spots. This decreased in frequency when I switched to sanitation harvesting, picking fruits of all varieties as soon as the spots became obvious, as the chance is reduced to zilch that any increase in value will occur from leaving the fruits longer on the trees. So the fruits are blemished and often greener than we would like. Not having fruits with active oozing on the trees does give some fruits a chance to be clean.
I have not observed Orange Sherbet in the presence of this disease.
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Still have 5 PPK left on my tree. Sad to see them go, but glad they lasted this long.
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Thanks for the info Har and Jeff. In the Biotech industry, we use an alternating pattern of high and low pH detergents along with bleach/hydrogen peroxide and monthly applications of sporicide in order to reduce our bioburden levels. We can’t use these on our plants but we can apply the concept of alternating Fungicides/Bactericides with higher and lower pH in order to disrupt the pathogens life cycle.
Simon
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OS no contest. PPK didn’t even make the top 30 2018..... it’s been a bad year
Really? Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes. PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.
Top selling does not make them the best. Carrie is a huge seller in this area due to the large Indian population.
I didn't realize "Carrie" Zill was from India?.........who knew? The Zill family matriarch no doubt had about every mango there was in the 1940's and the "Carrie" was her favorite. That's why it Lawrence Zill named it after his mother. Ask Gary Zill what his grandmother Carrie's favorite mango was. The fact that Carrie has been around for 80 years and still remains the #1 top fruit stand seller in Florida says a lot. Once again nobody is saying YOU have to think they taste good, just realize most people think it's one of the best.
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OS no contest. PPK didn’t even make the top 30 2018..... it’s been a bad year
Really? Chris at Truly Tropical sells 80 of the best varieties of Mangoes. PPK is a top 5 seller for her every year (Carrie, Edward, Glenn & VP are the other 4). What people actually buy with their money is the best popular survey there is.
Top selling does not make them the best. Carrie is a huge seller in this area due to the large Indian population.
I didn't realize "Carrie" Zill was from India?.........who knew? The Zill family matriarch no doubt had about every mango there was in the 1940's and the "Carrie" was her favorite. That's why it Lawrence Zill named it after his mother. Ask Gary Zill what his grandmother Carrie's favorite mango was. The fact that Carrie has been around for 80 years and still remains the #1 top fruit stand seller in Florida says a lot. Once again nobody is saying YOU have to think they taste good, just realize most people think it's one of the best.
WTF are you babbling about?? Do you reslize how stupid you are sounding? You need to stay off the sauce...
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WTF are you babbling about?? Do you reslize how stupid you are sounding? You need to stay off the sauce...
Hilarious! :P ;D
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??? Who is using bad language and getting upset? Please!
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My Lemon Zest fruited for the first time and I had 7 fruit
Best I’ve had this year and It’s been a good year
Had to use sulfur during powdery mildew stage but no other problems after that
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Carrie and Mallika are absolutely nothing alike.
Agree 100 percent. In my opinion, a perfect Mallika can give any of the new Zills varieties stiff competition; it is that good.
But I am not so sure that Carrie owes its popularity to the Indian population. Two of my American neighbors specifically ask for Carrie mangoes, as do many co-workers. It gets soft quickly, yes, but at the right stage, it is a great mango.
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Carrie and Mallika are absolutely nothing alike.
Agree 100 percent. In my opinion, a perfect Mallika can give any of the new Zills varieties stiff competition; it is that good.
But I am not so sure that Carrie owes its popularity to the Indian population. Two of my American neighbors specifically ask for Carrie mangoes, as do many co-workers. It gets soft quickly, yes, but at the right stage, it is a great mango.
I did not say "popularity", I was referring to being a top seller (there is a difference). Many Carrie growers sell their fruit in large quantities, 100+ pounds at a time to Indian buyers. I have seen a number of Indian buyers offer to purchase all fruit in the tree, regardless of maturity stage.
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I think part of the attraction to Carrie is that a lot of people from India simply accept that we don't how to pronounce and write their word "Keri", which is a name for mango! I often have to explain who it is named after.
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I think part of the attraction to Carrie is that a lot of people from India simply accept that we don't how to pronounce and write their word "Keri", which is a name for mango! I often have to explain who it is named after.
We get unrelated indian customers from all over the place who call it “Kari Kari” (two words). Cecil Brumfield apparently doesn’t get these though and his Indian customers just call it by one word.
However Most of the Indian demand for Carrie is due to its flavor profile being the closest to Alphonso that they can get here.
The rest of the Carrie demand is Jamaican/Caribbean and approximately 40-50% of Americans, with the remainder despising it.
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Alex, you said that your customers find Carrie and Angie indistinguishable. How about you? Do think Angie is as sweet? (I don't.)
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Alex, you said that your customers find Carrie and Angie indistinguishable. How about you? Do think Angie is as sweet? (I don't.)
The Angie's that both myself the the folks at Sulcata grove have had have been horrible spitters. One of the worst varieties I've ever had. They taste like cooked carrots. Sulcata grove says they have tried them in 3 different seasons and agree. Maybe we both just had bad luck because some people say they are good, but any comparison to Carrie is absurd IMHE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tdO4KcH63M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tdO4KcH63M)
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Weird. I consider Angie to be an improved / firmer carrie. I've never tasted carrot. That's odd.
Alex, you said that your customers find Carrie and Angie indistinguishable. How about you? Do think Angie is as sweet? (I don't.)
The Angie's that both myself the the folks at Sulcata grove have had have been horrible spitters. One of the worst varieties I've ever had. They taste like cooked carrots. Sulcata grove says they have tried them in 3 different seasons and agree. Maybe we both just had bad luck because some people say they are good, but any comparison to Carrie is absurd IMHE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tdO4KcH63M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tdO4KcH63M)
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With Angie, resin yes. Cooked carrots no. But only medium sweet for me. Texture is firm and melting, fiber-free, perfect. I guess Southwest Florida does not bring out the best in Angie. Back to PPK vs. Orange Sherbet, Craig of Sulcata is absolutely ecstatic about both--10 out of 10.
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With Angie, resin yes. Cooked carrots no. But only medium sweet for me. Texture is firm and melting, fiber-free, perfect. I guess Southwest Florida does not bring out the best in Angie.
They may have been eaten in SW Florida, but they were grown in SE Florida. ;) ;) ;)
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Alex, you said that your customers find Carrie and Angie indistinguishable. How about you? Do think Angie is as sweet? (I don't.)
Yes. Angie has compared very favorably to Carrie for me, though I don’t get to eat them as much as I like (they all get sold). Now something to consider is that weather conditions at time of harvest, horticultural practices and harvesting time can all have an impact on a cvs flavor and it may be that Angie is more sensitive to changes in the above.
I’ve found that Indians and Caribbean customers love the Angie and find it a more than acceptable alternative to the Carrie.
If we were to take 5 properly ripened Angie and carries, cut them up and put them on separate unlabeled plates, I feel most people wouldn’t be able to tell which was which.
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Alex, you said that your customers find Carrie and Angie indistinguishable. How about you? Do think Angie is as sweet? (I don't.)
Yes. Angie has compared very favorably to Carrie for me, though I don’t get to eat them as much as I like (they all get sold). Now something to consider is that weather conditions at time of harvest, horticultural practices and harvesting time can all have an impact on a cvs flavor and it may be that Angie is more sensitive to changes in the above.
I’ve found that Indians and Caribbean customers love the Angie and find it a more than acceptable alternative to the Carrie.
If we were to take 5 properly ripened Angie and carries, cut them up and put them on separate unlabeled plates, I feel most people wouldn’t be able to tell which was which.
Alex - I will take your word for it that the ones myself & Sulcata grove have tried may not have been Angie at it's best, but are you saying nobody else has ever said they tasted like cooked carrots? Thanks. : )
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They may have been eaten in SW Florida, but they were grown in SE Florida. ;) ;) ;)
Okay. Well, if you got them from Richard Campbell, he loves them and was the one who sold everyone on them back in the beginning.
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They may have been eaten in SW Florida, but they were grown in SE Florida. ;) ;) ;)
Okay. Well, if you got them from Richard Campbell, he loves them and was the one sold everyone on them back in the beginning.
Sulcata Grove I think got them from Dr. C's boys and possibly another source over multiple seasons. I got mine from another SE source. But that is 3 experienced mango tasters over multiple seasons, getting them from different places, all saying the cooked carrot flavor is the dominant flavor in Angie in all the ones we've tried. We can't all be crazy right? I have tried Carrie's at every possible stage you can try them and there has never been any carrot or other vegetable flavor. I know some mango's can vary wildly in flavor by just an extra day on the counter. I trust people who says it tastes good just wondering what the issues might be? Before I saw the Sulcata video on Angie, I thought it was just me that thought they tasted like Gerber baby food carrots. Angie was actually the strongest carrot/sweet potato/acorn squash flavor I've ever detected in any mango I've tried before.
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Never tasted carrots in an Angie. I have heard the same thing about Val-Carrie, which is one of my favorite mangoes, as well.
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Folks,
Are these kesar mangoes? I got these from the local Carrefour in the GCC region. It looks yellow, but it's still hard like hell. It's a small mango-3" in size. Thanks.
(https://s33.postimg.cc/iar4mhp7v/IMG_20180805_194038.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/iar4mhp7v/)
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Will milk be made available to us?
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Will milk be made available to us?
(https://s22.postimg.cc/ue7mta8wt/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ue7mta8wt/)
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Over my head, Rob. Crying over spilled milk? Tell me, nighthawk, have you tasted carrot in Neelam? Maybe it's a taste buds thing.
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Alex, you said that your customers find Carrie and Angie indistinguishable. How about you? Do think Angie is as sweet? (I don't.)
Yes. Angie has compared very favorably to Carrie for me, though I don’t get to eat them as much as I like (they all get sold). Now something to consider is that weather conditions at time of harvest, horticultural practices and harvesting time can all have an impact on a cvs flavor and it may be that Angie is more sensitive to changes in the above.
I’ve found that Indians and Caribbean customers love the Angie and find it a more than acceptable alternative to the Carrie.
If we were to take 5 properly ripened Angie and carries, cut them up and put them on separate unlabeled plates, I feel most people wouldn’t be able to tell which was which.
Alex - I will take your word for it that the ones myself & Sulcata grove have tried may not have been Angie at it's best, but are you saying nobody else has ever said they tasted like cooked carrots? Thanks. : )
I’ve never tasted carrot in angie. I have in other mangos though (such as Baptiste and improperly picked Mallika).
I don’t know if the Welsch’s like the Carrie flavor or not, but if they don’t they are almost guaranteed to dislike Angie.
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Over my head, Rob. Crying over spilled milk? Tell me, nighthawk, have you tasted carrot in Neelam? Maybe it's a taste buds thing.
Never had neelam before, but not prone to detecting carrot flavors. The only thing I have detected carrot in a little bit was Maha Chanoook and one other that I don't recall. I have heard other people say that MC has a carrot taste to them also. But the carrot flavor was most prominent in the Angie. If you watch the Sulcata grove video on Angie they are also are both emphasizing how dominant the carrot flavor is. The SG family is a bit split on Carrie. They don't love it or hate it, but never thought it tasted like carrot. Carrie to me has such a classic mango flavor that it seems like the only people that would dislike Carrie would dislike Haden or anything else with a traditional classic mango flavor.
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No, you didin't say that. Carrie has a traditional classic mango flavor like Haden? :-[
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That is discrediting!
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Will milk be made available to us?
Excuse me, Dick, uh, Rob. You'll find out the answer to that question next mango season.
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Will milk be made available to us?
Excuse me, Dick, uh, Rob. You'll find out the answer to that question next mango season.
Grab some wood there bud.
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Thought I hated Carrie because of texture but Angie came along in a firmer version.
I don’t like it either preferring all the ppk family.
It’s like cilantro, some love it but it tastes like soap to others
Neelam is a lot like cilantro
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Folks,
Are these kesar mangoes? I got these from the local Carrefour in the GCC region. It looks yellow, but it's still hard like hell. It's a small mango-3" in size. Thanks.
(https://s33.postimg.cc/iar4mhp7v/IMG_20180805_194038.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/iar4mhp7v/)
I do not think these are Kesar, shape seems to be a bit off (wider ) coloration , also noticed a few with a crease/indentation, which I have not seen on any Kesar over here. the beak is a bit more pointy on the Kesar I am familiar with. these ones in this picture seem smoother.
Here is a jumbo Kesar, notice some regular Kesar on the table
(http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff510/William_Crowley/DSCN1562_zpsvtvumkck.jpg) (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/William_Crowley/media/DSCN1562_zpsvtvumkck.jpg.html)
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I had not seen a Jumbo Kesar--- very impressive!
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What was the title of this thread again?.?.?.?.?...
(https://s15.postimg.cc/o3c79z6af/200.gif) (https://postimg.cc/image/o3c79z6af/)
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My jumbo kesar is definitely not that big.
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I had not seen a Jumbo Kesar--- very impressive!
My jumbo kesar is definitely not that big.
Folks,
Are these kesar mangoes? I got these from the local Carrefour in the GCC region. It looks yellow, but it's still hard like hell. It's a small mango-3" in size. Thanks.
(https://s33.postimg.cc/iar4mhp7v/IMG_20180805_194038.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/iar4mhp7v/)
I do not think these are Kesar, shape seems to be a bit off (wider ) coloration , also noticed a few with a crease/indentation, which I have not seen on any Kesar over here. the beak is a bit more pointy on the Kesar I am familiar with. these ones in this picture seem smoother.
Here is a jumbo Kesar, notice some regular Kesar on the table
(http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff510/William_Crowley/DSCN1562_zpsvtvumkck.jpg) (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/William_Crowley/media/DSCN1562_zpsvtvumkck.jpg.html)
Agree with All, beautiful Jumbo Kesar, very clean fruit.