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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nam Doc Mai seedling question
« on: July 27, 2023, 01:31:21 PM »
Maybe keep all the smaller (clones) and get rid of the big robust one (hybrid vigor)?

Oooops...I thought I was supposed to keep only the biggest/most vigorous as that was likely to be the clone.  I snipped the smallest ones.  If I'm looking for a clone did I do that wrong?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nam Doc Mai seedling question
« on: July 27, 2023, 12:36:15 PM »
OK, well when I opened up the seed I thought I was only looking at one embryo but there must have been multiple.  I planted it and I had 4 or 5 shoots come up.  I already trimmed off the smaller ones.  Now I'm down to these 2.  The one with the leaves came up first and the taller one came up later.  Which one do you think I should narrow it down to?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nam Doc Mai seedling question
« on: July 18, 2023, 03:56:36 PM »
Thanks for the responses.  I had no idea that a tree could produce both poly and mono seeds...or that a mono seed from a parent capable of producing clonal could be identical to the parent.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Nam Doc Mai seedling question
« on: July 18, 2023, 10:13:36 AM »
I've been told that the Nam Doc Mai produces polyembryonic seeds.  My neighbor has a NDM that I thought was #4, just planted a few years ago...but I cracked open a seed and it only had one seed embryo in there.  Based on this, can I assume that it's a mono and any fruit that may grow from a seedling will be a mystery fruit?

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I think what I decided to do was to cut everything off from about 6-12 inches from the first branching...basically start over from that point.  The lack of leaves seems to be a result of the shock from being uprooted in the hurricane..my mangos haven't really flushed since then.  I did have my palm tree fertilization company start doing a deep root fertilization of my mangos but I wonder if I should continue to to a topical granular fertilization like I had been doing.

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OK, thanks much.  I'm thinking low and bushy.  You think I'm OK to cut it back this year after the fruits are done or should I wait till next year?  My concern is the stress of being uprooted during the hurricane then adding on the stress of severe pruning.

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This is a Sweet Tart mango that we had planted 8 years ago.  It survived Irma but got blown down during Ian.  I thought it was a goner.  My neighbor and I righted it but I couldn't get water on it for 10 days due to lack of power.  The leaves on half of it completely went dry.  When we finally got power I watered it every day for a month and lo and behold, this past winter it started to bloom and currently has fruit.

I think it's way too tall and lanky.  I would like to dramatically prune it down and try to encourage some more horizontal growth.  Question:  Do you think I should give it another year before I prune it back?  And if it was yours, how would you prune it?

Thanks in advance!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Canker/greening resistant citrus
« on: June 15, 2020, 01:32:56 AM »
I think what I have is canker.  Here's my what my fruit looks like.  None of these taste good when mature.  The flesh is more "dry" than a traditional lemon, not sure how else to describe it.  Even when young. This is canker right?  And there is nothing I can do about it?  My friend's tree doesn't have this issue.  The skin looks fine and the flesh appears normal.




https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Canker+Symptoms+in+Citrus&FORM=IARSLK

Thank you!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Canker/greening resistant citrus
« on: June 14, 2020, 09:23:47 AM »
I think what I have is canker.  Here's my what my fruit looks like.  None of these taste good when mature.  The flesh is more "dry" than a traditional lemon, not sure how else to describe it.  Even when young. This is canker right?  And there is nothing I can do about it?  My friend's tree doesn't have this issue.  The skin looks fine and the flesh appears normal.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Canker/greening resistant citrus
« on: June 13, 2020, 02:51:46 PM »
Is there such a thing?  Like many naive homeowners when I first moved to SW FL in 2015 I planted a Myers lemon tree.  Sure enough, within a year or so (maybe less) it got greening.  At this point I'm not sure what to do besides rip it out and plant something else.  It looks OK but the fruit are terrible.  But here's my question...  I have a friend here in Cape Coral who cut his tree down 15 whatever years ago when the county required all homeowners to do so for canker control.  From the stump a small shoot grew, which developed into a nice tree that produces vast amounts of nice fruit ever year.  This tree doesn't seem to be affected by any diseases as far as I can tell.  Is it possible that whatever the rootstock of this tree was is more resistant to disease and that's why it's thriving?  I took some cuttings today to see if I could get them to root.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Leaf notcher weevil solutions
« on: June 08, 2020, 09:29:57 AM »
If you have small trees, can you spend some time and just pull them off or is it a losing battle?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting with electrical tape
« on: June 04, 2020, 07:18:51 PM »
I use only electrical tape here but its not as good as grafting tape.Good idea to use white tape to reflect the heat.

I still like to use the grafting tape to cover everything, it's just the electrical tape to more tightly secure the junctions.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting with electrical tape
« on: June 04, 2020, 06:20:24 PM »
I like using electrical tape on most of my grafts.
Much easier for me to keep things in place, nice and tight.



Well that's encouraging, thank you!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Grafting with electrical tape
« on: June 04, 2020, 04:08:01 PM »
I know this subject came up before but I don't think there was any consensus on this topic at the time.  I'm a newbie to grafting, just started my first mango grafts yesterday.  One Lemon Meringue scion onto rootstock, one Lemon Meringue scion onto a Sweet Tart tree, and one Pickering onto the same Sweet Tart.  These were all cleft grafts.  Though I did my best to ensure that there were no air gaps between the scion and the host, I wanted to be extra sure everything was tight.  First I used a cable tie to hold everything together nice and tight while I buddy wrapped everything from below the host cut to the top of the scion.  Then I cut the cable tie off and added some buddy tape where it was. Finally, I wrapped electrical tape nice and snug where everything came together in the notch.  I was sure to wrap the electrical tape over the buddy tape so there was no direct contact on the bark which might cause difficulties in taking it off later.  I know a lot of people use cut rubber bands, it just seemed easier and more snug using electrical tape.  Other than one Youtube video from a guy in India I haven't really seen this technique used.  For what it's worth I did get white electrical tape so as not to conduct as much heat in this hot Florida sun.  Anybody see any issues with this?


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I watched a video on YouTube where a professional trapper took a can of sardines and partially opened it, then punched a hole in the bottom with a screwdriver where he opened it, then used a piece of wire and wired it to the side of the cage through the hole.  Seems effective if your raccoons eat sardines but I would imagine you'd have to change that out every morning or you'd have every fly in the neighborhood at your house.  Plus we have feral cats and I can see them going in to get the sardines.  I like the idea though, maybe put something else like peanut butter in the sardine tin.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Any effective deterrent for raccoons?
« on: May 08, 2020, 09:57:17 AM »
...and to a lesser extent squirrels?  I have 2 small mango trees and 2 small avocado trees and unless I pick the fruit green they tend to get most of my crop.  Short of trapping them, are there any effective deterrents?  I was looking at nylon fruit bags but I suspect they can chew right threw them.  I've tried solar powered ultrasonic repellers but those didn't seem to work. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Atemoya seedlings question
« on: December 01, 2019, 07:59:11 AM »
OK, thanks everyone for the responses.  As long as I get something that fruits and the fruit resembles atemoya, cherimoya, or sugar apple I will be happy.  I'll plant a few and see what happens.  Maybe some day if I get a bit more advanced I'll try my hand at grafting.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Atemoya seedlings question
« on: November 30, 2019, 12:27:27 PM »
Thanks, I'll probably plant a few and see what happens.  I was just curious if I will get some kind of fruiting tree, even if it's not atemoya.  My assumption is it will either be atemoya or sugar apple or cherimoya is that right?

Here's a picture of what one of the seedlings looks like:





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Atemoya seedlings question
« on: November 30, 2019, 09:19:09 AM »
Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm kind of a newbie to all of this.  I live in SW Florida and recently grew seedlings from a locally grown atemoya.  I have no idea what type of atemoya it was.  I read that trees grown from atemoya seeds usually don't grow "true" and I'm confused about what exactly that means.  Does that mean that the tree will be either atemoya or cherimoya or sugar apple and I won't know until it actually produces fruit?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Hass harvest time
« on: August 17, 2019, 02:24:53 PM »
Thanks!  Boy that's surprising - they look full grown already.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Hass harvest time
« on: August 17, 2019, 09:04:01 AM »
I have this exact same question. I have a Florida Hass tree that snapped in half during hurricane Irma.  I let it sprout up from the top and how I have a 5ft tree that produced its first fruit this year.  They look just like store Hass and are about the same size but rock hard.  How do I know when to pick them?

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Copper Sulfate is quite effective against anthracnose, but only slightly effective against Powdery Mildew.  If you keep your spray mix constantly shaken, you can spray with elemental Sulfur--- do not mix elemental Sulfur with Copper Sulfate, or with most other Copper molecules, as Copper ions become very toxic to plants in highly acidic tank mixes.

Spread more than half of that fertilizer out on the grass outside the ring.  Make sure you use fertilizer containing micronutrients, including Zinc.  Make sure your soil has plenty of Calcium, or add Calcium Sulfate--- it provides also protection against fertilizer-imbalance burns and excess salt build-ups.

Occasionally provide a deep watering--- not just grass root-depth watering--- perhaps just once a month, since the tree already looks reasonably well.

Thank you!

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I don't think it's powdery mildew from the pics I've seen online and wouldn't the copper sulfate take care of that too?  I'll check more closely at the rate of fertilization I should be applying to that tree in case I'm applying too much.

Could it be a watering issue during the dry season?  These plants get water only from the lawn irrigation which runs 3 times a week in that area.  Or are there bugs that I need to worry about with these mangos?  I'm hoping as the trees mature I'll have to worry less about this stuff.

As I think I mentioned this seems to be way more of an issue with the pickering, not so much with the sweet tart which is 15ft away.

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