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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: SoCal mango start flowering
« on: February 18, 2023, 04:55:08 PM »
My franken Manila has started to bloom also for 3 weeks now and I've been spraying sulfur once a week since then. I'm determined to get some fruits this coming season. Powdery mildew has been wrecking havoc for the last 2 years.
The tree is 16 years old but no that tall.
16 yrs old grafted tree planted when it's 2 ft tall? Young grafted tree takes forever to grow.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: SoCal mango start flowering
« on: February 18, 2023, 04:47:30 PM »
wow, more than 3 months since I reported of the flower panicles on the trees, and now here they are still with flower buds not open yet. The cold weather slow down the flower development, I think. So far no bad sign of PM yet. I hope the buds will fully open for the bees in March and it should be warmer by then. I also think we only have the best wind from March to early May, before the marine layer moving in causing morning dews in warm weather and it a good recipe for PM. Took this pic this morning on LZ + O-krung tong grafted on HD mexican rootstock:


 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rootstock size for mango grafting?
« on: February 17, 2023, 02:08:02 AM »
You’re in zone 10a, greenhouse, not a tropical as the author of the books assumed or in Florida.
So no, even with your 3 yrs old seedling in ground. I grafted mine when they were with 3” trunk.

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Pomegranate cuttings root easily in water and soil, but mature tree will die if the old trunk is covered with soil.
Longan seems to be ok so far in my yard with new high soil.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rootstock size for mango grafting?
« on: February 16, 2023, 08:18:27 PM »
There is no need to wait for a rootstock to become mature and fruit-bearing before you graft onto it, and for many trees (avocados, citrus, others) you'll have much better luck using small seedlings. I assume that mangoes are similar?
Not for mango. I suggest to read "mango grow in SoCal" thread.
If graft to a young rootstock, the young tree will try to flower and stop grow, then runs out of energy, depress, and die. Grafting to small rootstock is for commercialize, not for home growers.

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That does look close! Most of the results online show a fruit with a pink or purple blush when unripe, and these are solid deep green, even in direct sun. Otherwise it looks real close, and Internet photos are notoriously inaccurate.




None in the pic looks like my Lance, color and shape. Maybe the climate makes the difference. Notice the dots on the skin. Most of mine turned yellow from green, and some had a little red tint if exposed to full sun.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ripening Green Sapote
« on: February 16, 2023, 08:07:35 PM »
wait for them to get soft and skin start wrinkling.

Soft and wrinkled white sapote is no good. Green sapote never ripe properly as banana or mango. Only ripe on the tree and timing is critical: just give to the squeeze and discarded when soft.

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I am 99% sure your is Lancetilla. Here is my tree ripen fruit. I am not crazy about it -- almost taste like Valencia pride -- but it is a reliable fruiting many bombs good for green mango salad.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help save Mango
« on: February 16, 2023, 07:47:53 PM »
it was the last varietal branch. Who knows. What is this disease?


I call it brown wood disease (and probably anthracnose). I used to have this problem on most of my bought grafted mango trees. No more, as I only grafted on my home grown rootstock. The healthy rootstock will overcome most disease fairly easy. Young trees don't like to be in full sun which weaken them and succumbed in the cold winter.

Too late for your tree now.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rootstock size for mango grafting?
« on: February 16, 2023, 07:33:14 PM »
Is there any way to use the little seedling without waiting for it to grow more first, or should I stick with the larger one instead?
What is your objective? Ornamental or fruit tree? For fruits, wait until the rootstock have flower and fruits, then do the grafting. Why graft now?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Please identify this fruit
« on: February 16, 2023, 07:23:27 PM »
My first thought was black sapote, but upon close it didn’t look like one.
It seems like someone had picked the fruits when they were ready -- saw the empty stems but nothing on the ground. Must be an edible fruit tree and the fruit to stem attachment point looks like magosteen and black sapote.

Pic taken on 10/2/2022 in San Diego.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How are your Lychees doing in Socal?
« on: February 07, 2023, 02:09:05 AM »
Sweetheart lychee grafted onto Emperor lychee. Amazing 1year of growth. Graft was done on 3/26/22
Hi there, what type of graft is it? I'm thinking it's a cleft graft as often used for mango, but not sure.

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I bet it's one of the green type fig that should be ripen in late Fall.
No leaves means junk fruits.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: SoCal mango start flowering
« on: December 07, 2022, 08:36:54 PM »
I don't know if the cold weather, or PM, that caused the fruits to have no developed seed and then they all cracked and fell off. This is the reason why I only let the trees hold fruits after March/April.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango: 2023 SoCal mango start flowering
« on: December 06, 2022, 06:41:54 PM »
Most of my trees start to send out flower stokes on Dec 1st 2022 -- much early than normal. Too bad as I will only let the fruitlets hold after March. I think reason is those trees didn't have flowers or fruits this year and they are busted with energy.

Same for your trees?

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In SoCal, my IP has huge fruits -- not many as the grafted branches are still small but the fruits are as large as Keit, and they are the last to ripe. We just ate the last one on 12/2/2022. Firm texture, rich flavor and creamy in the mouth. The flesh color is pale yellow but don't let it fools you.

I found it's best to to clef graft for IP, as it grows faster than bark graft (like my coffin-grave graft).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: germinate seed in 90F oven
« on: October 23, 2022, 01:05:15 AM »
Thanks Victoria Ave and Sapote, for confirming what I thought I would do with my baby mango seedlings.

Sapote, being just 3 ft on the East side of the house, your seedling trees would only get about half day sun growing up, right? If that is so, I might pull a couple of Hibiscus bushes and replace them with mango seedlings then…
Correct. Young seedlings love to be in morning eastern sun then shaded off after 11am. They will grow much better than those on the south or west side. Once they tall then they will get more sun.

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Can anyone identify this mango tree a keitt or Valencia pride?
Got this from Emily nursery, listed as keitt but looks like Valencia pride to me…
Why do you want to plant small grafted tree? As mentioned many time in this thread, the best way in SoCal is to plant a seedling and then graft on it when it is 10ft or larger.

Sorry couldn't help on the Q as I would pull out both Keitt and Valencia -- there are many better varieties to have.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: germinate seed in 90F oven
« on: October 22, 2022, 05:30:39 PM »
I also have newly germinated mango seeds in conventional pots currently,
would you recommend to plant these in the ground now (late October)
or later in Spring be better for our SoCal climate?
It's better to keep them in the pot until the trunk is 6 to 8" tall then plant in the ground shade off the summer sun for high survival. I found out that a healthy mango tree will take a direct rain gutter right on top of it in cold winter, as long as it was not exposed to direct hot sun in the summer. Five of my seedlings were planted on the east side 3 ft from the house and so they were all shaded in hot summer. They are not over 10 ft tall and 5ft wide.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: germinate seed in 90F oven
« on: October 22, 2022, 05:24:41 PM »
We usually use a 27 gallon tote with a heat mat sandwiched between 2 1020 trays. I'd be concerned about the humidity levels in your oven but it looks like its working.
The seeds are in very high humidity - inside the food container with sealed cover and a few spoon of water :) These seedlings were in there about 2 weeks.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: germinate seed in 90F oven
« on: October 21, 2022, 02:56:39 AM »
Here is a sample of my mango sprouts in oven:
Remove the hush off minimize the smelly and fungus that could damage the seeds. It's best to wait for the seedling about 3" tall then plant it in a pot, place in warm shade location. Mango seedling don't like direct strong sunlight.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Squirrel Dog recommendations
« on: September 27, 2022, 07:21:14 PM »
cats would probably do a better job since they can climb trees.  my neighbors cat is a good hunter and kills squirrels.
My cats are no match for the squirrel iron teeth -- they torn up the chicken wire of the live trap and escaped. I even added double layer of steel mesh that used on stucco wall, and they torn through them also on this cage:
https://www.amazon.com/Garsum-Humane-Chipmunks-Squirrels-Outdoor/dp/B0B8D8Z2T5/ref=sr_1_7?crid=36GN5WGI9B56F&keywords=Live+Animal+Trap+for+Squirrels&qid=1664320365&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIzLjIyIiwicXNhIjoiMi41NiIsInFzcCI6IjIuNjMifQ%3D%3D&s=lawn-garden&sprefix=live+animal+trap+for+squirrels%2Clawngarden%2C231&sr=1-7


So I bought this one with stronger cage: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BQQMJQ?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
This is the best and nothing they can do even if the dentist added diamond teeth to them :)
So a month before the fruit season, I set the trap up on the tree with peanut butter bait. The trick for this trap is to spread the peanut butter on the bottom side of the trigger platform, so they have to dig the head under it and so lift it up one side and Bang. If you put the bait on the top, then they carefully lick the butter off without triggering. I didn't know, but the squirrels have the best nose for peanut butter, even up high on the powerline without able to see the trap and the bait.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting Fruit Trees Near Queen Palm Tree
« on: September 27, 2022, 07:06:46 PM »
The palm trees are my neighbor. They seem to be growing roots all over my fruit trees. I'm more concern about my fruit trees. I'm concern it may cause my tropical fruit trees to die.
The palm roots will suck the soil dry. You're feeding water and nutrient to the palms, and less to your trees.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 12, 2022, 08:33:34 PM »
Speaking of which looks like my VP fruit are coming along well. Looking like late September I should be ready to harvest
This is a year for vegetative growth. My big 5" trunk PC has only ONE fruit -- not much flowers to begin with. Another big tree with cocktail graft has zero fruit that last years gave many wonderful fruits: ST Maui, Sweet tart, Okrungtong, Edward (I since topped it off and grafted Iman Passand but not took), Mahachanok; the biggest tree (HD rootstock) with LZ and Okrungtong only has 2 LZ and zero Okrung fruits. I thought this year I will have load of LZ, but all the green fruits splited with no seed. The 2 remained fruits are from late blooming in June I believe. Other trees near the house are doing better: some Alphonso the first time, and Maha as every year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 12, 2022, 08:14:16 PM »
Speaking of which looks like my VP fruit are coming along well. Looking like late September I should be ready to harvest
From the pic, my guess is this tree was bought grafted in the pot? A California seedling grafted should look stronger and fuller with more branches  than this.

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