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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: Tim on October 29, 2012, 05:42:11 PM
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Allow me to simply apologize for the barrage of pictures ;D
A big Thank You to Leo for generously hosting us in his amazingly compact backyard, thank you Simon (simon_grow) for putting this meeting together and making everything possible, it truly was an enjoyable day. The casts included Leo Manuel himself, Simon, two other forum members we met for the first time known as Gary (mangofang) & Joe (JF), Eunice Messner chauffeured by Joe, Jim Neitzel & Frank (can't seem to recall but I think Jim mentioned Abbott)... and myself.
Simon will provide more details on the Q&A by members here at a later time.
Leo's marked Todo Santos wedge graft - multi-grafted tree
(http://s12.postimage.org/lrl5wx4d5/Leo_s_marked_Todo_Santos_wedge_graft_multi_gr.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lrl5wx4d5/)
Todo Santos mangoes - we were told it's a Mexican cultivar
(http://s12.postimage.org/bt07afuxl/Leo_s_Todo_Santos_on_multi_grafted_tree.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bt07afuxl/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/sw2z5ybmh/Leo_s_Todo_Santos_mango_cluster.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sw2z5ybmh/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/3slwlydzt/Leo_s_lone_Todo_Santos_on_multi_grafted_tree1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3slwlydzt/)
Moringa - not having much success in front yard
(http://s12.postimage.org/pqidfqt09/Leo_s_Moringa_not_having_much_success_in_front.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/pqidfqt09/)
Longan - forgot to ask which cultivar
(http://s12.postimage.org/5lota9z6h/Leo_s_longan_forgot_to_ask_which_cultivar.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5lota9z6h/)
Passiflora coccinea?
(http://s12.postimage.org/wxk2bm3x5/Leo_s_passiflora_something.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wxk2bm3x5/)
Big jaboticaba tree right in his front porch - doesn't get nearly as much sun (in between properties)
(http://s12.postimage.org/sptvglrvd/Leo_s_huge_jaboticaba_tree.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sptvglrvd/)
Kensington Pride seedling tree & fruits
(http://s12.postimage.org/6rxemtcux/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_seedling_tree1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6rxemtcux/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/iibc475nd/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_seedling_tree.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/iibc475nd/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/yhtznr1p5/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_seedling_mangoes.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/yhtznr1p5/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/5ivqvygrd/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_seedling.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5ivqvygrd/)
Leo's mislabeled "Carrie" seedling tree, I suspect it to be VP seedling - Jim also confirms my VP suspicion
(http://s12.postimage.org/3owojfxw9/Leo_s_possibly_mislabeled_Carrie_seedling_sus.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3owojfxw9/)
Thomson T-1 mango - according to Leo, Paul Thomson preferred this mango many times over his other commercialized cultivar, Thomson mango.
(http://s12.postimage.org/daq8zqp21/Leo_s_Thompson_T_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/daq8zqp21/)
"Florida sourced" Maha Chanok, multi-grafted onto the same rootstock as the T-1. That's his dilemma for not cutting the tree back to let Maha Chanok thrive
(http://s12.postimage.org/jcxvq8di1/Leo_s_lone_Maha_Chanok_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jcxvq8di1/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/8r0890315/Leo_s_lone_Maha_Chanok_mango1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8r0890315/)
seedling mango tree
(http://s12.postimage.org/cazy419w9/Leo_s_seedling_mango_tree.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/cazy419w9/)
A massive seedling mango that Leo doesn't remember from which cultivar
(http://s12.postimage.org/id7kuiyc9/Leo_s_massive_seedling_mangoes1_this_picture.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/id7kuiyc9/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/n0dmwalp5/Leo_s_massive_seedling_mangoes.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/n0dmwalp5/)
another seedling selection that's multi-grafted onto the same tree as above
(http://s12.postimage.org/mp0rx9umx/Leo_s_seedling_mango_fruits_forgot_which_assig.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mp0rx9umx/)
Multi-grafted seedling selections with Simon looking on
(http://s12.postimage.org/yfepennfd/Leo_s_multi_grafted_seedling_selections_with_Si.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/yfepennfd/)
Nam Doc Mai bush
(http://s12.postimage.org/qb6l9x109/Leo_s_Nam_Doc_Mai_bush.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qb6l9x109/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/4da4g4lzt/Leo_s_Nam_Doc_Mai_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4da4g4lzt/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/ym66mz0pl/Leo_s_Nam_Doc_Mai_fruits.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ym66mz0pl/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/u1k081h09/Leo_s_Nam_Doc_Mai.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/u1k081h09/)
dwarf Keitt mango - this tree was allowed to fruit at a young age, doesn't seem to bounce back at all, it's now putting out even more humongous fruits ... poor tree
(http://s12.postimage.org/xgyccda3d/Leo_s_dwarf_Keitt_mango_tree.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xgyccda3d/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/vqfbavsk9/Leo_s_dwarf_Keitt_mangoes.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/vqfbavsk9/)
Jim, mangofang & Eunice admiring the multi-grafted Peggy mango tree ... Jim calls this Peggy tree "the always reliable"
(http://s12.postimage.org/u5dtoamhl/Jim_mangofang_Eunice_admiring_Peggy_mango_tree.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/u5dtoamhl/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/c167pwzfd/Leo_s_Peggy_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/c167pwzfd/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/czde0pxzt/Leo_s_Peggy_mangoes_displaying_unique_shapes.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/czde0pxzt/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/tporq1wex/Leo_s_Peggy_mangoes_showing_characteristic_prot.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tporq1wex/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/viroedhll/Leo_s_Peggy_mangoes.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/viroedhll/)
grafted onto the same rootstock as Peggy, forgot which variety this is (U.P.)? This exposed to the element fruit doesn't seem to fare well
(http://s12.postimage.org/5xfgeiue1/Leo_s_U_P_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5xfgeiue1/)
Brewster Lychee - only remaining handful of fruits are on the neighbor's side of the yard
(http://s12.postimage.org/jiatrdzkp/Leo_s_Brewster_Lychee_only_remaining_fruits_a.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jiatrdzkp/)
One of the many seedling trees, though this one has not been grafted on yet. Bottom right hand corner in white grafting tape is a newly grafted Lemon Zest.
(http://s12.postimage.org/5r6cp6amx/Leo_s_seedling_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5r6cp6amx/)
Kensington Pride mangoes, the actual KP mango -not KP seedling like his other trees
(http://s12.postimage.org/o80rfzql5/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_mangoes2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/o80rfzql5/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/547fzndqx/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_mangoes1_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/547fzndqx/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/guldh16jd/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_mangoes.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/guldh16jd/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/ikcu82frt/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ikcu82frt/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/43pkthqah/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_mangoes1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/43pkthqah/)
Leo in the midst of his backyard jungle
(http://s12.postimage.org/9fw1onknt/Leo_in_the_midst_of_his_backyard_jungle.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9fw1onknt/)
seedling tree's new growth - the colors are absolutely amazing in person
(http://s12.postimage.org/hmo1g8aqh/Leo_s_seedling_mango_tree_s_new_growth.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/hmo1g8aqh/)
McDill white sapote, fruits in the cluster of 4 in the second picture are bigger than a large navel orange ... unreal
(http://s12.postimage.org/qiytk61cp/Leo_s_Mc_Dill_white_sapote.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qiytk61cp/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/nde7tyiqh/Leo_s_Mc_Dill_white_sapote_these_fruits_are_bi.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/nde7tyiqh/)
seedling rose apple from one of his other known cultivar, new growth on SoCAL sky backdrop
(http://s12.postimage.org/ng2oujbrt/Leo_s_seedling_rose_apple_s_new_growth_on_So_CA.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ng2oujbrt/)
big macadamia seedling tree, planted just outside of his property line
(http://s12.postimage.org/ytp85qmah/Leo_s_seedling_macadamia.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ytp85qmah/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/t6sv89jrt/Leo_s_seedling_macadamia1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/t6sv89jrt/)
Pink Panther dragon fruit - He told us but I forgot the actual crosses
(http://s12.postimage.org/hiytdpumx/Leo_s_Pink_Panther_forgot_what_crosses.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/hiytdpumx/)
Yellow Dragon - even though it hasn't fully filled out, still pretty big fruits for a yellow dragon
(http://s12.postimage.org/ats9xp9ax/Leo_s_yellow_dragon_fruit_pretty_big_fruits_f.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ats9xp9ax/)
Leo's signature hybrid DRAGON TOMATO
(http://s12.postimage.org/jdbnvghnd/Leo_s_hybrid_DRAGON_TOMATO.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jdbnvghnd/)
San Ignacio (red) - this fruit is massive, the thumb scale doesn't do it justice
(http://s12.postimage.org/m8or2blnd/Leo_s_San_Ignacio_Red_this_fruit_is_massive.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/m8or2blnd/)
huge cherimoya tree's new growth after "severe" pruning - humongous leaves
(http://s12.postimage.org/ptkmljq6x/Leo_s_massive_cherimoya_tree_s_new_growth_hum.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ptkmljq6x/)
mangofang, JF & Leo ... you can't really tell but I managed to get in under the low canopy of this Peggy mango to snap this picture - annoying paparazzi skills ;D
(http://s12.postimage.org/dvnnlebtl/mangofang_camera_shy_with_JF_Leo.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dvnnlebtl/)
Jim discussing plant matters with Eunice
(http://s12.postimage.org/p9a6wlmc9/Jim_discussing_plant_matters_with_Eunice.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/p9a6wlmc9/)
small view of Leo's backyard jungle, left of the cherimoya tree is his Annona hybrid (Atemoya x Cherimoya)
(http://s12.postimage.org/3o548zpll/Leo_s_backyard_jungle.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3o548zpll/)
fruits from seedling tree "seedling 3" & fruit of another seedling selection
(http://s12.postimage.org/pbu2jfpzt/Leo_s_seedling_fruit1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/pbu2jfpzt/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/qfe6veamx/Leo_s_seedling_fruit.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qfe6veamx/)
Eunice's box of mangoes - Edwards, Thomsons & Carnivals
(http://s12.postimage.org/fwe7687yx/Eunice_s_box_of_mangoes_Edwards_Thompsons.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fwe7687yx/)
Kent mango knocked off the tree by accident, rock hard & still very green (outside the box)
(http://s12.postimage.org/k6sv1td21/Leo_s_fallen_Kent_outside_of_box.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/k6sv1td21/)
Leo's favorite fruits ;D
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Leo's sampler basket - clockwise from top right: Peggy, Rose Giant, Rose Giant, seedling 11, Early Gold, Rose Giant (center)
(http://s12.postimage.org/elb1bi1qx/Leo_s_mango_sample.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/elb1bi1qx/)
Eunice & Frank in conversation with Jim(not in picture), JF staring at mangofang. Behind Frank is a multi-grafted Surinam tree
(http://s12.postimage.org/bshtrh1eh/Eunice_Frank_JF_looking_on_behind_Frank_is.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bshtrh1eh/)
mangofang showing JF & Simon how big a hoop his long arms make, Simon's not impressed
(http://s12.postimage.org/6icv06h5l/Gary_showing_JF_Simon_how_big_a_loop_he_makes.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6icv06h5l/)
Jim conversing with Eunice & Frank, with JF replacing mangofang in hoop making
(http://s12.postimage.org/r3rms2yqh/Jim_talking_to_Eunice_Frank_Leo_s.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/r3rms2yqh/)
Leo finally resting his legs after multiple tours. Simon, Frank & I arrived earlier...
(http://s12.postimage.org/9ezw0gmzd/Leo_finally_resting_his_legs_after_the_multiple.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9ezw0gmzd/)
Jim discussing poly mango seed with JF, mangofang & Simon
(http://s12.postimage.org/gjhp9hu8p/Jim_discusssing_poly_mango_seed_with_JF_Gary.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gjhp9hu8p/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/rkcueimhl/Jim_discussing_poly_mango_seed_with_JF_Gary_S.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rkcueimhl/)
Pioneers of SoCAL tropicals - from left to right: Leo, Eunice, Frank & Jim
(http://s12.postimage.org/4k6726ont/Pioneers_of_So_CAL_tropicals_Leo_Eunice_Frank.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4k6726ont/)
Group picture, seated: Leo, Eunice, Jim. Back row: Me, Frank, Gary (mangofang) & Joe (JF)
(http://s12.postimage.org/5ayx7yr15/Group_picture_Leo_s.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5ayx7yr15/)
Group picture, seated: Leo, Eunice, Jim. Back row: Simon, Me, Frank & Gary (mangofang). Who's the better photographer? Simon or JF?
(http://s12.postimage.org/v7x6ybk2h/Group_picture_Leo_s1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/v7x6ybk2h/)
Leo giving our group a tour of his back yard
(http://s12.postimage.org/gr9xjqul5/Leo_giving_our_group_a_tour.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gr9xjqul5/)
Jim showing Eunice & myself a seedling loquat, 1 of 4 seeds Maurice Kong sent to Leo & Jim.
(http://s12.postimage.org/sixsujp7d/Jim_showing_Eunice_a_seedling_1of4_seeds_sent_b.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sixsujp7d/)
lone fruit from seedling selection grafted onto turpentine rootstock. Leo uses turpentine as opposed to manila rootstocks, I forgot what his explanation to JF was.
(http://s12.postimage.org/gjman8jmh/Leo_s_lone_seedling_fruit_from_seedling_selecti.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gjman8jmh/)
top worked tree with Kensington Pride seedling. Notice the graft right above the rope tie? Branched out from the scion and fruited immediately. Fuyu persimmon in background
(http://s12.postimage.org/58jmyvcrd/Leo_s_top_worked_with_Kensington_Pride_seedling.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/58jmyvcrd/)
Fuyu persimmon
(http://s12.postimage.org/hboymfntl/Leo_s_persimmons.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/hboymfntl/)
Jim showing Eunice a multi-grafted apricot tree
(http://s12.postimage.org/og6rvgv2x/Jim_showing_Eunice_a_multi_grafted_apricot_tree.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/og6rvgv2x/)
Leo's dragon fruit collection, there are WAY MORE pots than my camera can pan out at that distance. Can't take pictures from too far because they'd be covered by other trees
(http://s12.postimage.org/laqrj01uh/Leo_s_dragon_fruit_collection.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/laqrj01uh/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/9a5bi9uft/Leo_s_dragon_fruit_collection1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9a5bi9uft/)
Gary questioning legitimacy of this PEGGY mango dropping on its own without my helping
(http://s12.postimage.org/kb0gnamop/Gary_questioning_legitimacy_of_this_PEGGY_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kb0gnamop/)
Peggy mango with its unique and characteristic protuberance
(http://s12.postimage.org/917qschnd/Leo_s_PEGGY_mango_with_its_unique_and_character.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/917qschnd/)
Leo's generous gift
(http://s12.postimage.org/f796z3bkp/Leo_s_generous_gift2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/f796z3bkp/)
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Of the mangoes sampled that day, many of us agreed Peggy was clearly the breadwinner. Not as rich compared to others I've had, but outstanding flavor nonetheless. Very sweet with a light sub-acid balance that sits just right, very juicy flavor - does that make any sense?
Monoembryonic seed
Firm flesh
Fiberless
Sweet & nice aroma even before cut open
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(http://s8.postimage.org/wzs3a0dwx/20121027_220624.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wzs3a0dwx/)
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Great pictures, wish I was there! Looks like an abundance of mangoes to harvest this year. They look like they are going to keep rolling in till the end of November. After looking at the pictures and reading about the descriptions, I want to grow some of these mango varieties lol.
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I understand how you grow most of your fruit and the conditions required, but how did you grow your lychee so large. Isn't it hard because if the dry Santa Ana winds for the lychee to grow that large?
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Tim,
You guys are truly roll'n in the deep in them tropical fruit in SoCal 8) Truly breath taking pics and inspirational...Them pioneers done a truly amazing job...such mouth watering fruits 8)
I thought only SoFL is a mango powerhouse, Socal is up there too...now, in my book ;)
Thanks so much for sharing guys :) Mangoperro...nice expression on PEGGY ;D
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It was a pleasure meeting Tim, Simon, Frank and it was a true honor and privilege to have meet Leo and Jim. This was the first time Eunice had visit Leo's orchard and she was thrilled! I was going to visit Paul Fisher's orchard with Jim after Leo's but there was a schedule conflict and we didn't make it this time. We are hoping to meet up in Eunice's and in my house in late April for a mango graft demonstrations by the legends. I hope Simon chimes in on this thread with some of the notes he took. Leo and Jim are the custodians of some the first mango experiments in Southern California. They are involved in the Captain Bucklew project and they have restore some of those earlier cultivars. Most of the mangos we sample were very good to excellent and some are worthy of propagation , notably, Peggy Winter's seedling that's named Ultimate...... an exceptional mango.
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Moorpark guy - I could only wish this is my yard at the moment. This is the work of a local legend who I greatly respect, Leo Manuel. I did not think to ask how the wind plays a roll in his yard, but assuming it's location, looks to be well protected
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Tim, thanks for posting your adventure to Leo Manuel's, I've heard tails from folk's who have gone there. I've been to Eunice's before a couple times amazing Lady nice that she was able to go! I heard that Leo has a black sapote grafted onto a persimmon tree! Did you happen to see it! Very interesting get to gather lot's of CRFG knowledge in that group.
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Thanks for posting this Tim - you are definitely more organized than Joe (JF) and I as we both
forgot our cameras!!!
Of course you're MUCH younger....
:-X
And yes, a huge thanks to Leo for being such a great host and Jim Neitzel for sharing his
wisdom along with Eunice. We didn't realize Tim and Simon_Grow would be there so it was
lots of fun.
THanks Jackfruit for noticing that one mango just didn't look G-rated to me!
MangoPerrito
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Great meet-up and great photos. Leo Manuel has so many seedling mango trees. Did he reveal any techniques he has to get them to fruit sooner?
He is doing so much grafting onto trees..... So it matters less what the tree starts out as, seedling or grafted.
Tip pruning might get a seedling mango tree fruiting sooner. Sources say it does this for grafted mango trees
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ScottR - yes he did show us that persimmon tree and mentioned of the black sapote graft but unfortunately, it died not too long ago. I think either Leo or Jim said he's got another one elsewhere but I'm not 100% certain, I was busy taking pictures ;D
He does grow mango trees from seeds but from the looks of it, sooner or later, they get top-worked with multiple varieties. He allows them to fruit, but doesn't limit them to just that. During our little poly & mono seed discussion, both Jim & Leo suggested planting mono seeds isn't a terrible idea. Considering the crosses of great/superior cultivars over many generations, your odds of getting a more than decent mango is fairly high. Sometimes it does hit that absolute dud dormant genes but then you'd have a really strong and established rootstock ;D
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Hey Tim,
I check them pics again properly, Today ;) I liked the pic were you made a fist :o ''If don't ripen now...i'm going to kick your a**'' ;D ;D ;D
The multi-grafted trees sure is a supreme technology for backyard grower! Instead of having 5 trees...you have one tree with 5 cv's 8) With 5 trees, you have 25 different named varieties ;) 8) Definitely a space saver :)
I surely did underestimate SoCal...you guys sure got top notch mangos over there 8) So, what's the top 5 native cultivars of South California?
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ScottR - yes he did show us that persimmon tree and mentioned of the black sapote graft but unfortunately, it died not too long ago. I think either Leo or Jim said he's got another one elsewhere but I'm not 100% certain, I was busy taking pictures ;D
He does grow mango trees from seeds but from the looks of it, sooner or later, they get top-worked with multiple varieties. He allows them to fruit, but doesn't limit them to just that. During our little poly & mono seed discussion, both Jim & Leo suggested planting mono seeds isn't a terrible idea. Considering the crosses of great/superior cultivars over many generations, your odds of getting a more than decent mango is fairly high. Sometimes it does hit that absolute dud dormant genes but then you'd have a really strong and established rootstock ;D
Thanks Tim. When you are such a seasoned mango grafter like Mr Leo, you can plant what you want and graft multiple mangoes onto it later. One good thing about grafted mangoes is we know when they ripen (at least in Fl) so we can buy the right mangoes to extend the season. I have disliked only one seedling mango I ate. But with seedling mango trees it's a crap shoot what time of season they ripen.
Meaning you can plant a mango seed and 4-5 years later you will get fruit that happens to turn out good. But when is it ripe? Same time most other mangoes are which is June-July for S Florida. So it's just more fruit overload during the mango rush hour. Meaning you have fruit rotting and you are are giving away tons too.
ZZZZzzzz
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Hey Tim,
I check them pics again properly, Today ;) I liked the pic were you made a fist :o ''If don't ripen now...i'm going to kick your a**'' ;D ;D ;D
The multi-grafted trees sure is a supreme technology for backyard grower! Instead of having 5 trees...you have one tree with 5 cv's 8) With 5 trees, you have 25 different named varieties ;) 8) Definitely a space saver :)
I surely did underestimate SoCal...you guys sure got top notch mangos over there 8) So, what's the top 5 native cultivars of South California?
My top 5
Ott
Ultimate
Villasenor
Thompson
Coconilla
Todo Santos is not from Socal it is a Mexican mango from Cabo.
Moorpark Guy
there many, many large Lychee trees around Orange County and Socal. Look at the archives..... I am sure I have pics of some of them.
MangoDog
we forgot to give our thanks to Leo's wife Betty for her warm welcome.
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Hi Joe,
I forgot i got OTT in the orchard ;D Which is a native mango cultivar from SoCal 8)
- OTT-Origin La Habra heights, William Ott, 1948. Seedling of Saigon. Tree dwarf. Fruit medium, to six inches, orange-yellow with pink blush. Season very early
- Ultimate-Didn't find no info, on this cv.
- Villaseñor-Origin Los Angeles, 1950s, Sr. Villaseñor. Tree dwarf, spreading, responds to strong rootstock. Fruit medium, to 12 oz., shape ovate, color greenish yellow, pink blush, flavor mild. Late midseason (Dec Jan). For coast, foothills.
- Thompson-(syn. Thomson Large Seedling)
Origin Vista, Paul Thomson, 1966. Manila seedling, polyembryonic. Tree spreading, vigor dependent upon rootstock. Fruit small to medium, (6-12 oz.), yellow, shape flat, to eight inches. Resists mildew. High fiber under chemical fertilizer regime. Season early, long (September-November), ripens well indoors if picked prematurely. For coast
- Coconilla-Also didn't find any info. Though, I remember the pictures you uploaded and a quote from you ''The Coconilla is suppose to be the Coconut Cream of California''
Thanks a bunch for sharing your Top 5 mangos from SoCal...They truly sound awesome 8)
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Hey Tim,
I check them pics again properly, Today ;) I liked the pic were you made a fist :o ''If don't ripen now...i'm going to kick your a**'' ;D ;D ;D
The multi-grafted trees sure is a supreme technology for backyard grower! Instead of having 5 trees...you have one tree with 5 cv's 8) With 5 trees, you have 25 different named varieties ;) 8) Definitely a space saver :)
I surely did underestimate SoCal...you guys sure got top notch mangos over there 8) So, what's the top 5 native cultivars of South California?
My top 5
Ott
Ultimate
Villasenor
Thompson
Coconilla
Todo Santos is not from Socal it is a Mexican mango from Cabo.
Moorpark Guy
there many, many large Lychee trees around Orange County and Socal. Look at the archives..... I am sure I have pics of some of them.
MangoDog
we forgot to give our thanks to Leo's wife Betty for her warm welcome.
Where can I find these mango cultivars?
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Joe & Gary - I know Eunice said the Carnival mangoes she brought were not up to par but from the ones sampled at Leo's, how would you rate Peggy & Early Gold?
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Hey Tim,
I check them pics again properly, Today ;) I liked the pic were you made a fist :o ''If don't ripen now...i'm going to kick your a**'' ;D ;D ;D
The multi-grafted trees sure is a supreme technology for backyard grower! Instead of having 5 trees...you have one tree with 5 cv's 8) With 5 trees, you have 25 different named varieties ;) 8) Definitely a space saver :)
I surely did underestimate SoCal...you guys sure got top notch mangos over there 8) So, what's the top 5 native cultivars of South California?
My top 5
Ott
Ultimate
Villasenor
Thompson
Coconilla
Todo Santos is not from Socal it is a Mexican mango from Cabo.
Moorpark Guy
there many, many large Lychee trees around Orange County and Socal. Look at the archives..... I am sure I have pics of some of them.
MangoDog
we forgot to give our thanks to Leo's wife Betty for her warm welcome.
Where can I find these mango cultivars?
I have Thompson. The others I am working on. I'll have some budwood to share with you in late April,May.
Steven
Unfortunately, the only varieties that are being propagated (LaVerne) in California are Thompson and Villaseñor. Coconilla is Eunice Messner mango.
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Joe & Gary - I know Eunice said the Carnival mangoes she brought were not up to par but from the ones sampled at Leo's, how would you rate Peggy & Early Gold?
Tim
Jim told me that Peggy's is called Ultimate, or something like that, because there is another variety in Florida by the same last name of Winter(20222). The Early Gold we had was a chance seedling of that variety from Captain Bucklew. I will call Jim and confirm. I think both of those mangos are excellent. Like I said, I don't know why they havent been propagated....they are superior mangos in the same category as Dot or Fairchild.
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Hi Joe,
So, Coconilla is a seedling tree from Eunice Messner 8) That explains why there is no info online.
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Tim, thank you very much for sharing the pictures and information! Great paparazzi skills... LOL
Looks like you all had a great time. On the other had it's also great to get all the experience and expertise from such horticulture veterans!
BTW, very cute mango eating ladys you have there... looks like the next fruitlover generation ;)
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Tim spent a lot of time on photographs and captions and posting them. Some of those tropical fruit elders have few or none photographs on the internet. So now they are there for people to look and learn from in the future. Ha...looks like Tim's daughters eating mango
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Mr. Jackfruit - the Coconilla from what I remember Eunice saying, was a chance Manilla seedling
that apparently has coconut overtones - I've never tasted one to see.
Tim - I loved the Peggy Winter (Ie Ultimate mango or whatever it may be) - I thought it was the superior tasting one of the bunch we tasted. The Carnival was so-so in comparison. I don't remember the Early Gold - but I think it must have still fell short of Ms. Peggy......
"Thank you BETTY (Leo's wife) for ushering us into your tropical heaven!!!!!!"
Fang of the Mango
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Hi MangoFang,
I checked out Manilla mango on Google images, from what i noticed is that Atualfo and Coconilla have some thing in common...they are both offsprings of the Manilla Mango 8)
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Betty Manuel was first class.
lol I always use my fists as size reference cuz it's gnarly big.
Thank you Zands & Felipe for the kind remarks as well. Just happy to share an enjoyable day. You know, I thought Leo would kick me out off his property for that behind the bush shot ;D
mangofang - I'm only a couple years younger, don't short change yourself.
JF - thanks for the Peggy/Ultimate clarification. You guys speak so highly of Thomson mangoes, I wonder how much flavor improvement from the Manila? I like Manila but that's because they're always available.
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great pics!
gotta love peggy.
Like devil with one horn.
Is it bad luck to eat the peg?
Anyone growing Peggy in FL?
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Thanks for sharing the pictures. Can imagine it was an outstanding outing for you guys!
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This is in the San Diego area? Amazing! I, too, am surprised at the size of the lychee tree. What a great tour! Thanks for posting. BTW: I also see lots more than just fruits and garden photos when I clicked on any one of your photo. ;D
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Newgen - http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=4.msg38407#msg38407 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=4.msg38407#msg38407)
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Wow, very cool day, 3 incredible people (plus you guys) and one amazing yard! Yes Peggy does look pretty, glad she tastes good too. Please put me down for a scion if any become available, I need to complete my collection of CA mangoes. 8)
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Wow, first Eunice and now Leo Manuel. How do I sign up for the tour group? But seriously, weekdays aren't too good for me.
Thanks for the photos. These people are around so long they must have seedlings that are better than some named cultivars.
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It seems I had spoken too soon regarding Peggy not having rich flavor. The 2nd of those two mangoes sat out a week longer, without any sign of breaking down, tasted fantastic. It was sweeter and whatever acidity the 1st fruit had was not detected at all in this mango. I dare to venture a turf war in say this mango is better than Pickering ;D
Absolutely worth growing for SoCal, don't know if it's proven elsewhere.
(http://s11.postimage.org/sn1jd5esf/20121102_200722.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sn1jd5esf/)
(http://s11.postimage.org/xzqdra2ov/20121102_201046.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xzqdra2ov/)
(http://s11.postimage.org/q89nspyjj/20121102_201400.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/q89nspyjj/)
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It seems I had spoken too soon regarding Peggy not having rich flavor. The 2nd of those two mangoes sat out a week longer, without any sign of breaking down, tasted fantastic. It was sweeter and whatever acidity the 1st fruit had was not detected at all in this mango. I dare to venture a turf war in say this mango is better than Pickering ;D
Absolutely worth growing for SoCal, don't know if it's proven elsewhere.
(http://s11.postimage.org/sn1jd5esf/20121102_200722.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sn1jd5esf/)
(http://s11.postimage.org/xzqdra2ov/20121102_201046.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xzqdra2ov/)
(http://s11.postimage.org/q89nspyjj/20121102_201400.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/q89nspyjj/)
Tim
I agree that it is worth growing but I wouldn't rate it better than a Pickering. I would sandwich it in between a Graham and a Dot. I don't think it would make my top 10 list.
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Haven't had Dot but I didn't think much of Graham, a good mango but not that special.
I'm not sure the exact stage you ate your previous Peggy Winters but this one was much better than the my first, a lot better than the two we sampled at Leo's. Weird how its profile changes so drastically.
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Haven't had Dot but I didn't think much of Graham, a good mango but not that special.
I'm not sure the exact stage you ate your previous Peggy Winters but this one was much better than the my first, a lot better than the two we sampled at Leo's. Weird how much its profile changes so drastically.
I loved Graham and I did take a Winter home. I agree with you that if you let in ripen in a fruit bowl it gets better but I even rate the California Ott better.....I guess I prefer that intense full mango flavor.
Moonpark guy
here are pics of a couple of large lychee trees around here
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/IMG_3629-1.jpg)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/IMG_3630-1.jpg)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/IMG_3632.jpg)
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I've got to try this OTT you've been advocating for so long ;D
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I've got to try this OTT you've been advocating for so long ;D
I had the Ott for the first time this summer but I heard it is one of Julian Lara favorite mangos.
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Hi Guys,
Peggy sure looks delish 8) Tim, what happened to the horn? Don't tell me you sold it to China :o ;D
Joe, Those mature Lychee trees look amazing 8)
I'm truly shocked to hear that OTT is one of Julian Lara's favorite mangos :o
Thanks for sharing :)
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JF thanks for the pics of the amazing Lychee trees, I still am amazed by the size if the tree. Do the Santa Ana winds not effect the tree?
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Yes, Tim - like Mr. Jack Fruit asked - where's Peggy's horn of plenty?
It's GOT to be the best part of the mango!
;D
gary
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The unknown longan from 1st post is Sri Chompoo.
What happened to the horn? It's been long digested ;D
Yes, Tim - like Mr. Jack Fruit asked - where's Peggy's horn of plenty?
It's GOT to be the best part of the mango!
;D
gary
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Here it is Mike T... it's Kensington Pride but they were around the 750gram range about half the size of your R2E2.
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Here are some pics of a recent tasting done at Leo's residence. Thank you Leo for always being an incredibly generous host, Jim, Joe (JF) & PM (not the PedalaiMaster we knew here) but more like Professor M who happens to be in my neck of the woods, owns an incredible property with any & everything you'd want to grow but CAN'T. Phone died so no pics of his place, sorry.
Brewster Lychees from Leo's tree....Jim labeling mangoes brought from his trees
(http://s21.postimg.cc/fpkkdain7/IMG_20130927_111914.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fpkkdain7/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/fx3lw2483/IMG_20130927_111925.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fx3lw2483/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/7isklpskj/IMG_20130927_111933.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7isklpskj/)
mangoes: bowl from Leo....basket from JF....ORO from Jim
(http://s21.postimg.cc/jw5esmi8z/IMG_20130927_111942.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jw5esmi8z/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/mz1ji97tv/IMG_20130927_111954.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mz1ji97tv/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/6qpwmiodf/IMG_20130927_112059.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6qpwmiodf/)
lychees...humungous Keitt in the 3-4lb range...one of several Keitts on the ground
(http://s21.postimg.cc/mvcbfqrqb/IMG_20130927_112105.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mvcbfqrqb/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/m4jl9ypcz/IMG_20130927_112149.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/m4jl9ypcz/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/hl7cog7hf/IMG_20130927_112214.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hl7cog7hf/)
Leo w/Maha Chanok seedling fruit (poly seed came from the motherland) ...Rosie Gold front & back
(http://s21.postimg.cc/otnkrh9lv/IMG_20130927_112444.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/otnkrh9lv/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/7cevimjfn/IMG_20130927_113044.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7cevimjfn/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/demi947vn/IMG_20130927_113104.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/demi947vn/)
Villaseñor dwarf bearing habit?...rose apples
(http://s21.postimg.cc/hey8z3nqb/IMG_20130927_113157.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hey8z3nqb/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/aykov9psz/IMG_20130927_113506.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aykov9psz/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/rqalrrffn/IMG_20130927_113513.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rqalrrffn/)
The Grandmasters awaiting...incredibly productive Surinam cherry
(http://s21.postimg.cc/tw4wm9iw3/IMG_20130927_115113.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tw4wm9iw3/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/ru4f80kwz/IMG_20130927_115128.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ru4f80kwz/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/gghvwtaeb/IMG_20130927_115144.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gghvwtaeb/)
Surinam cherries galore...branch of Brewster...Jim's Carrie
(http://s21.postimg.cc/hzda1sgyr/IMG_20130927_115149.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hzda1sgyr/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/mwqumwixv/IMG_20130927_115333.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mwqumwixv/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/w72yqftnn/IMG_20130927_115959.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/w72yqftnn/)
Joe's Chinchilla from La Habra...Leo & his Leo2 seedling .....two of the more magnificently colored mangoes I've seen...and I haven't seen much ;D
(http://s21.postimg.cc/phwfaf8bn/IMG_20130927_121040.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/phwfaf8bn/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/n1z7abfmr/IMG_20130927_121911.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/n1z7abfmr/) (http://s21.postimg.cc/8wte8i6lf/IMG_20130927_121922.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8wte8i6lf/)
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Tim, thanx for sharing the pics. Once again I couldn't make it to that tasting either. Great looking fruit!!!
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Amazing collection and new varieties, thank you for what you're doing and for posting.
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Well documented Tim! Here are some pics of Leo's 3 pound Keitts and his 25 year old Maha tree loaded with fruits.
I like to thank Leo and Jim for being great host we'll see you guys next year in Palm Springs and La Habra!
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_6793.jpg)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_6805.jpg)
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WOW Great farm! Great photos! Thank you very much! ;D
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Tim, thanks for sharing pic's of a meeting of the Masters, great pic's!!! 8) 8)
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First time for me. Any information regarding the Peggy mango variety?
Eddie
Allow me to simply apologize for the barrage of pictures ;D
A big Thank You to Leo for generously hosting us in his amazingly compact backyard, thank you Simon (simon_grow) for putting this meeting together and making everything possible, it truly was an enjoyable day. The casts included Leo Manuel himself, Simon, two other forum members we met for the first time known as Gary (mangofang) & Joe (JF), Eunice Messner chauffeured by Joe, Jim Neitzel & Frank (can't seem to recall but I think Jim mentioned Abbott)... and myself.
Simon will provide more details on the Q&A by members here at a later time.
Leo's marked Todo Santos wedge graft - multi-grafted tree
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Todo Santos mangoes - we were told it's a Mexican cultivar
(http://s12.postimage.org/bt07afuxl/Leo_s_Todo_Santos_on_multi_grafted_tree.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bt07afuxl/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/sw2z5ybmh/Leo_s_Todo_Santos_mango_cluster.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sw2z5ybmh/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/3slwlydzt/Leo_s_lone_Todo_Santos_on_multi_grafted_tree1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3slwlydzt/)
Moringa - not having much success in front yard
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Longan - forgot to ask which cultivar
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Passiflora coccinea?
(http://s12.postimage.org/wxk2bm3x5/Leo_s_passiflora_something.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wxk2bm3x5/)
Big jaboticaba tree right in his front porch - doesn't get nearly as much sun (in between properties)
(http://s12.postimage.org/sptvglrvd/Leo_s_huge_jaboticaba_tree.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sptvglrvd/)
Kensington Pride seedling tree & fruits
(http://s12.postimage.org/6rxemtcux/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_seedling_tree1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6rxemtcux/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/iibc475nd/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_seedling_tree.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/iibc475nd/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/yhtznr1p5/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_seedling_mangoes.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/yhtznr1p5/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/5ivqvygrd/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_seedling.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5ivqvygrd/)
Leo's mislabeled "Carrie" seedling tree, I suspect it to be VP seedling - Jim also confirms my VP suspicion
(http://s12.postimage.org/3owojfxw9/Leo_s_possibly_mislabeled_Carrie_seedling_sus.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3owojfxw9/)
Thomson T-1 mango - according to Leo, Paul Thomson preferred this mango many times over his other commercialized cultivar, Thomson mango.
(http://s12.postimage.org/daq8zqp21/Leo_s_Thompson_T_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/daq8zqp21/)
"Florida sourced" Maha Chanok, multi-grafted onto the same rootstock as the T-1. That's his dilemma for not cutting the tree back to let Maha Chanok thrive
(http://s12.postimage.org/jcxvq8di1/Leo_s_lone_Maha_Chanok_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jcxvq8di1/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/8r0890315/Leo_s_lone_Maha_Chanok_mango1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8r0890315/)
seedling mango tree
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A massive seedling mango that Leo doesn't remember from which cultivar
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another seedling selection that's multi-grafted onto the same tree as above
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Multi-grafted seedling selections with Simon looking on
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Nam Doc Mai bush
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(http://s12.postimage.org/u1k081h09/Leo_s_Nam_Doc_Mai.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/u1k081h09/)
dwarf Keitt mango - this tree was allowed to fruit at a young age, doesn't seem to bounce back at all, it's now putting out even more humongous fruits ... poor tree
(http://s12.postimage.org/xgyccda3d/Leo_s_dwarf_Keitt_mango_tree.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xgyccda3d/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/vqfbavsk9/Leo_s_dwarf_Keitt_mangoes.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/vqfbavsk9/)
Jim, mangofang & Eunice admiring the multi-grafted Peggy mango tree ... Jim calls this Peggy tree "the always reliable"
(http://s12.postimage.org/u5dtoamhl/Jim_mangofang_Eunice_admiring_Peggy_mango_tree.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/u5dtoamhl/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/c167pwzfd/Leo_s_Peggy_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/c167pwzfd/)
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(http://s12.postimage.org/tporq1wex/Leo_s_Peggy_mangoes_showing_characteristic_prot.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tporq1wex/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/viroedhll/Leo_s_Peggy_mangoes.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/viroedhll/)
grafted onto the same rootstock as Peggy, forgot which variety this is (U.P.)? This exposed to the element fruit doesn't seem to fare well
(http://s12.postimage.org/5xfgeiue1/Leo_s_U_P_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5xfgeiue1/)
Brewster Lychee - only remaining handful of fruits are on the neighbor's side of the yard
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One of the many seedling trees, though this one has not been grafted on yet. Bottom right hand corner in white grafting tape is a newly grafted Lemon Zest.
(http://s12.postimage.org/5r6cp6amx/Leo_s_seedling_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5r6cp6amx/)
Kensington Pride mangoes, the actual KP mango -not KP seedling like his other trees
(http://s12.postimage.org/o80rfzql5/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_mangoes2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/o80rfzql5/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/547fzndqx/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_mangoes1_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/547fzndqx/)
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(http://s12.postimage.org/ikcu82frt/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ikcu82frt/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/43pkthqah/Leo_s_Kensington_Pride_mangoes1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/43pkthqah/)
Leo in the midst of his backyard jungle
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seedling tree's new growth - the colors are absolutely amazing in person
(http://s12.postimage.org/hmo1g8aqh/Leo_s_seedling_mango_tree_s_new_growth.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/hmo1g8aqh/)
McDill white sapote, fruits in the cluster of 4 in the second picture are bigger than a large navel orange ... unreal
(http://s12.postimage.org/qiytk61cp/Leo_s_Mc_Dill_white_sapote.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qiytk61cp/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/nde7tyiqh/Leo_s_Mc_Dill_white_sapote_these_fruits_are_bi.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/nde7tyiqh/)
seedling rose apple from one of his other known cultivar, new growth on SoCAL sky backdrop
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big macadamia seedling tree, planted just outside of his property line
(http://s12.postimage.org/ytp85qmah/Leo_s_seedling_macadamia.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ytp85qmah/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/t6sv89jrt/Leo_s_seedling_macadamia1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/t6sv89jrt/)
Pink Panther dragon fruit - He told us but I forgot the actual crosses
(http://s12.postimage.org/hiytdpumx/Leo_s_Pink_Panther_forgot_what_crosses.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/hiytdpumx/)
Yellow Dragon - even though it hasn't fully filled out, still pretty big fruits for a yellow dragon
(http://s12.postimage.org/ats9xp9ax/Leo_s_yellow_dragon_fruit_pretty_big_fruits_f.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ats9xp9ax/)
Leo's signature hybrid DRAGON TOMATO
(http://s12.postimage.org/jdbnvghnd/Leo_s_hybrid_DRAGON_TOMATO.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jdbnvghnd/)
San Ignacio (red) - this fruit is massive, the thumb scale doesn't do it justice
(http://s12.postimage.org/m8or2blnd/Leo_s_San_Ignacio_Red_this_fruit_is_massive.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/m8or2blnd/)
huge cherimoya tree's new growth after "severe" pruning - humongous leaves
(http://s12.postimage.org/ptkmljq6x/Leo_s_massive_cherimoya_tree_s_new_growth_hum.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ptkmljq6x/)
mangofang, JF & Leo ... you can't really tell but I managed to get in under the low canopy of this Peggy mango to snap this picture - annoying paparazzi skills ;D
(http://s12.postimage.org/dvnnlebtl/mangofang_camera_shy_with_JF_Leo.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dvnnlebtl/)
Jim discussing plant matters with Eunice
(http://s12.postimage.org/p9a6wlmc9/Jim_discussing_plant_matters_with_Eunice.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/p9a6wlmc9/)
small view of Leo's backyard jungle, left of the cherimoya tree is his Annona hybrid (Atemoya x Cherimoya)
(http://s12.postimage.org/3o548zpll/Leo_s_backyard_jungle.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3o548zpll/)
fruits from seedling tree "seedling 3" & fruit of another seedling selection
(http://s12.postimage.org/pbu2jfpzt/Leo_s_seedling_fruit1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/pbu2jfpzt/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/qfe6veamx/Leo_s_seedling_fruit.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qfe6veamx/)
Eunice's box of mangoes - Edwards, Thomsons & Carnivals
(http://s12.postimage.org/fwe7687yx/Eunice_s_box_of_mangoes_Edwards_Thompsons.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fwe7687yx/)
Kent mango knocked off the tree by accident, rock hard & still very green (outside the box)
(http://s12.postimage.org/k6sv1td21/Leo_s_fallen_Kent_outside_of_box.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/k6sv1td21/)
Leo's favorite fruits ;D
(http://s12.postimage.org/ek13i2zx5/Leo_s_favorite_fruits.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ek13i2zx5/)
Leo's sampler basket - clockwise from top right: Peggy, Rose Giant, Rose Giant, seedling 11, Early Gold, Rose Giant (center)
(http://s12.postimage.org/elb1bi1qx/Leo_s_mango_sample.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/elb1bi1qx/)
Eunice & Frank in conversation with Jim(not in picture), JF staring at mangofang. Behind Frank is a multi-grafted Surinam tree
(http://s12.postimage.org/bshtrh1eh/Eunice_Frank_JF_looking_on_behind_Frank_is.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bshtrh1eh/)
mangofang showing JF & Simon how big a hoop his long arms make, Simon's not impressed
(http://s12.postimage.org/6icv06h5l/Gary_showing_JF_Simon_how_big_a_loop_he_makes.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6icv06h5l/)
Jim conversing with Eunice & Frank, with JF replacing mangofang in hoop making
(http://s12.postimage.org/r3rms2yqh/Jim_talking_to_Eunice_Frank_Leo_s.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/r3rms2yqh/)
Leo finally resting his legs after multiple tours. Simon, Frank & I arrived earlier...
(http://s12.postimage.org/9ezw0gmzd/Leo_finally_resting_his_legs_after_the_multiple.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9ezw0gmzd/)
Jim discussing poly mango seed with JF, mangofang & Simon
(http://s12.postimage.org/gjhp9hu8p/Jim_discusssing_poly_mango_seed_with_JF_Gary.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gjhp9hu8p/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/rkcueimhl/Jim_discussing_poly_mango_seed_with_JF_Gary_S.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rkcueimhl/)
Pioneers of SoCAL tropicals - from left to right: Leo, Eunice, Frank & Jim
(http://s12.postimage.org/4k6726ont/Pioneers_of_So_CAL_tropicals_Leo_Eunice_Frank.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4k6726ont/)
Group picture, seated: Leo, Eunice, Jim. Back row: Me, Frank, Gary (mangofang) & Joe (JF)
(http://s12.postimage.org/5ayx7yr15/Group_picture_Leo_s.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5ayx7yr15/)
Group picture, seated: Leo, Eunice, Jim. Back row: Simon, Me, Frank & Gary (mangofang). Who's the better photographer? Simon or JF?
(http://s12.postimage.org/v7x6ybk2h/Group_picture_Leo_s1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/v7x6ybk2h/)
Leo giving our group a tour of his back yard
(http://s12.postimage.org/gr9xjqul5/Leo_giving_our_group_a_tour.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gr9xjqul5/)
Jim showing Eunice & myself a seedling loquat, 1 of 4 seeds Maurice Kong sent to Leo & Jim.
(http://s12.postimage.org/sixsujp7d/Jim_showing_Eunice_a_seedling_1of4_seeds_sent_b.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sixsujp7d/)
lone fruit from seedling selection grafted onto turpentine rootstock. Leo uses turpentine as opposed to manila rootstocks, I forgot what his explanation to JF was.
(http://s12.postimage.org/gjman8jmh/Leo_s_lone_seedling_fruit_from_seedling_selecti.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gjman8jmh/)
top worked tree with Kensington Pride seedling. Notice the graft right above the rope tie? Branched out from the scion and fruited immediately. Fuyu persimmon in background
(http://s12.postimage.org/58jmyvcrd/Leo_s_top_worked_with_Kensington_Pride_seedling.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/58jmyvcrd/)
Fuyu persimmon
(http://s12.postimage.org/hboymfntl/Leo_s_persimmons.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/hboymfntl/)
Jim showing Eunice a multi-grafted apricot tree
(http://s12.postimage.org/og6rvgv2x/Jim_showing_Eunice_a_multi_grafted_apricot_tree.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/og6rvgv2x/)
Leo's dragon fruit collection, there are WAY MORE pots than my camera can pan out at that distance. Can't take pictures from too far because they'd be covered by other trees
(http://s12.postimage.org/laqrj01uh/Leo_s_dragon_fruit_collection.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/laqrj01uh/)
(http://s12.postimage.org/9a5bi9uft/Leo_s_dragon_fruit_collection1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9a5bi9uft/)
Gary questioning legitimacy of this PEGGY mango dropping on its own without my helping
(http://s12.postimage.org/kb0gnamop/Gary_questioning_legitimacy_of_this_PEGGY_mango.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kb0gnamop/)
Peggy mango with its unique and characteristic protuberance
(http://s12.postimage.org/917qschnd/Leo_s_PEGGY_mango_with_its_unique_and_character.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/917qschnd/)
Leo's generous gift
(http://s12.postimage.org/f796z3bkp/Leo_s_generous_gift2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/f796z3bkp/)
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Sorry, I can't find my notes but I remember liking it. I believe it has a poly seed but my memory is not so good. I have a fruit ripening right now and I'll report back when it's ripe.
Simon
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Cool little appendage those peggy's have...
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Have any of these S. Cal varieties been evaluated in Florida? Or is there any plan to do so?
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I'm not sure if anyone has sent scions to Florida. Leo has a mango that tastes like Coconut so he does have some very interesting seedling selections. I'm a big fan of his Leo #2, it is very sweet and has an excellent taste.
Simon
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This thread has been posted long time ago, & I enjoyed reading this thread. :)
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Leo called me up last week asking me if I’d like some Mangos and of course I said yes. Many of his Mangos were knocked off the tree by the last couple thunderstorms we had a couple weeks ago but he still had plenty hanging on his large trees.
The great thing about Leo’s trees are that they produce fruit without any spraying. Not all his varieties produce consistently, some hardly produce, but these are mostly the named Florida varieties like Lemon Zest. I put on a few small Lemon Zest grafts on his trees about two years ago and this is the first year they held any fruit although they were nubbins. If his LZ grafts progress the way my LZ tree did, he should get full sized fruit in the coming years.
Leo’s trees are pretty tightly packed in considering their size so he gets quite a lot of fungus issues. Because he doesn’t spray, he uses pruning to open up the canopy and allow for proper air flow to minimize moist stagnant air.
The seedling varieties he has selected over the past several decades are excellent eating quality and SoCal growers should take note because they grow well in our climate here. Leo and I both live in what is considered as coastal inland and we get dense heavy fog that makes it look like it just rained, most of this is around winter time where our mango trees, especially their blooms, are especially susceptible to damage by pathogens. The varieties that Leo selected will get hit with lots of fungus that is clearly visible to the naked eye yet his varieties still produce excellent crops.
About 10 years ago, I asked Leo why he doesn’t spray. I mentioned the obvious and said “you would get so much more fruit if you had a spray regimen”. Leo replied that he had so much fruit already that he couldn’t eat them all.
Anyways, I picked up some excellent tasting Gold Nugget tangerines along with his Leo Keitt seedling, Leo 2, Maha Chanok, and Peggy.
The first one we sampled was his seedling Keitt. This variety was one of the top picks from a mango tasting about two years ago. It had a perfect balance of sugars and acidity. The sugar acid balance reminded me of a milder Sweet Tart. This fruit has an aborted seed and a Brix reading of 23%.
(https://i.postimg.cc/xXhCDJ3K/E4442762-BA71-4-C50-8550-06-D024-B6-DAF0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xXhCDJ3K)
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The next fruit we sampled was the Leo 2. This fruit was a beautiful yellow with a blush of red. It was very sweet and my daughters loved it. It had a Brix reading of 23%. I like this Mango a lot but wished it had a bit more acidity to balance out the high sugars. If I ate this mango a day or two earlier, i would imagine it would taste even better.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HryJL9xS/0-CFE144-C-7906-4-B90-864-D-31080-DC33925.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HryJL9xS)
(https://i.postimg.cc/F7qdmB9d/C979-C562-1-AB1-4443-BE7-C-5130-DCE5-A357.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F7qdmB9d)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NK9XHwNk/D41-E1018-E9-B5-4-E19-B192-97-CA8-D6-E5749.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NK9XHwNk)
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The last Mango we sampled was the Peggy. This mango has a yellow base color with just a very slight pink blush. This mango is fatter and more rounded than the Leo 2. It also has more prominent lenticels. This mango was the best tasting of the three we sampled so far. It had a stronger flavor and perfect sugar acid balance. It also had a Brix reading of 23% but the added acid balance and slight mango turpene flavor components pushed it over the top.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XB9jbQxF/6-AC78-BD1-A89-D-4-CC0-9-F3-E-8-BB074-F8762-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XB9jbQxF)
(https://i.postimg.cc/WDfb6DhD/B94-F1-A01-0071-4-D93-9-D38-E40620944639.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WDfb6DhD)
Simon
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I would go "late" on the ripening if it were me.
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I'm in awe of some of our amazing amateur horticulturists. What a fantastic community! Happy Holidays to all!
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Chris, it took about 1 week to ripen at room temperature and they were pretty much perfect.
Thanks John, happy holidays to everyone!
Simon
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Great Collection of fruit trees on what looks to be a rather condense site. How rewarding it is to grow your own mango cultivars from seed.