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Title: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bovine421 on July 24, 2020, 08:55:31 PM
I missed opportunity to taste both. Interested in hearing from others :)
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: johnb51 on July 25, 2020, 12:15:06 PM
Keep researching this.  I'm in the same boat as you.  I haven't tasted either one.  Didn't Har say he considers them unrelated?  What does Rob say, or Alex?  (I've always thought highly of Pickering for its coconut flavor.)
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: MangoCountry on July 26, 2020, 07:32:31 AM
I prefer the taste of E-4
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bovine421 on July 26, 2020, 12:23:07 PM
I prefer the taste of E-4
I have heard that E-4  has a longer flavor window then M4. I hope M4 is not difficult to determine when to pick for Peak flavor as others have said about peach cobbler.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bsbullie on July 26, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
I prefer the taste of E-4
I have heard that E-4  has a longer flavor window then M4. I hope M4 is not difficult to determine when to pick for Peak flavor as others have said about peach cobbler.

Any of the "green skinned mangoes" can be tricky and take practice till you lear tge right harvest time.  If grown near the ciast, some will show a color change but inland, other than a slight lightening of the green coloration, there is no obvious visual mechanism.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: Honest Abe on July 26, 2020, 10:50:58 PM
Have not tried M4 but E4 is the best “performance” mango I’ve ever had.
It’s TRULY deserving of the name “pina colada” because it tastes like a very sweet pina colada when soft. It’s more Sweet pineapple tasting when barely soft and very coconut and pineapple when a bit softer to touch. Delicious, phenomenal, spectacular mango with a real coco flavor, not that artificial coco flavor
Like “coconut cream “ has.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: JulianoGS on July 27, 2020, 09:47:23 AM
Vote up for sugar loaf, it is the bomb!
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: Johnny Redland on July 27, 2020, 02:36:59 PM
I have also not had M-4.....but E-4 is absolutely ridiculous.  Best mango on my property and the only one that I have multiple trees planted out. And its out of the question to graft anything else onto them
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: johnb51 on July 27, 2020, 09:29:19 PM
I have also not had M-4.....but E-4 is absolutely ridiculous.  Best mango on my property and the only one that I have multiple trees planted out. And its out of the question to graft anything else onto them
E-4 is rocking the forum and rocking the mango-tasting videos.  Even though I consider Pickering to be THE MOST FOOLPROOF mango tree, I'm starting to think I should throw caution to the wind and plant E-4 instead when I get a new house. 
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: Johnny Redland on July 28, 2020, 10:45:45 AM
I have also not had M-4.....but E-4 is absolutely ridiculous.  Best mango on my property and the only one that I have multiple trees planted out. And its out of the question to graft anything else onto them
E-4 is rocking the forum and rocking the mango-tasting videos.  Even though I consider Pickering to be THE MOST FOOLPROOF mango tree, I'm starting to think I should throw caution to the wind and plant E-4 instead when I get a new house.

Pickering was a Rockstar this year....it always produces, and its a clean, small tree... But this year the flavor (at least on my tree) was outrageous.  Not E-4 outrageous, but certainly a must have for anybody planting at least a few mango trees IMO
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: johnb51 on July 28, 2020, 12:19:33 PM
Oh man, I know what you mean!  Had some from my old house.  Excellent.  I won't have room for more than one coco-mango.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: JulianoGS on July 28, 2020, 01:23:36 PM
E4 Sugar loaf is just like a pina colada taste, get a tree now and plant it later, since it is a slow grower.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: Johnny Redland on July 28, 2020, 03:12:13 PM
E4 Sugar loaf is just like a pina colada taste, get a tree now and plant it later, since it is a slow grower.

I beg to differ. Both of mine have been vigorous growers thus far.  Seems like they are always flushing. 
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: JulianoGS on July 28, 2020, 04:13:59 PM
Oh okay, good to know. I have heard otherwise, got one in a pot, still small and growing.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bovine421 on July 28, 2020, 05:11:57 PM
I am disappointed that no one is crowing about M4 we've had one mention and it's mostly crickets chirping. I was looking for a little confirmation because I just planted a 3-gallon M-4 tree. Because of limited space i may replace it with a 7 or 15 gallon Phoenix.

My E-4

(https://i.postimg.cc/G85bfzXt/20200719-112905.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G85bfzXt)
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: johnb51 on July 28, 2020, 06:40:50 PM
Ok, Bo, here you go. Have you heard of YouTube?  M-4 reviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmsIXXN-oXQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmsIXXN-oXQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0fwg2Nxh_A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0fwg2Nxh_A)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZEd8sljNV8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZEd8sljNV8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispK56PA9so (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispK56PA9so)

You might be wise to keep your tree (unless Rob says Phoenix is way better).
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: Jabba The Hutt on July 28, 2020, 07:38:26 PM
Gonna finally get to taste some M4's in a day or so and then I'll let you know how I feel about them...

Suagrloaf was fantastic and I had an unripe one but that was the only one I tried so far.

Phoenix was amazing had a bunch so far.

M4 is on the platter for tomorrow and the next day.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bovine421 on July 28, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Gonna finally get to taste some M4's in a day or so and then I'll let you know how I feel about them...

Suagrloaf was fantastic and I had an unripe one but that was the only one I tried so far.

Phoenix was amazing had a bunch so far.

M4 is on the platter for tomorrow and the next day.
Sounds good but let us know which one your copilot prefers :)
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: JulianoGS on July 29, 2020, 11:31:19 AM
Har says M4 it is supremely delicious, but the tree could be an alternate bearer though.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: yessenia on July 29, 2020, 11:49:46 AM
I prefer the taste of m-4
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: johnb51 on July 29, 2020, 01:19:10 PM
Somebody really, REALLY likes Phoenix.  Chris does, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojmayoG1r80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojmayoG1r80)
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bovine421 on July 29, 2020, 04:42:45 PM
I was hoping that Beth would have been more descriptive. I feel that she did a much better job describing Carla in a different video. I would like to know if Phoenix has any acidulousness to it? I would like to know in what way is it comparable to Dot.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: smuvop on July 29, 2020, 06:47:58 PM
Anybody selling E-4 bud wood or trees that can be shipped to Socal?

Thanks,

Jerome
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: johnb51 on August 08, 2020, 11:23:57 PM
And the winner is...Piña Colada!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReCu628WPnc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReCu628WPnc)
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bovine421 on August 09, 2020, 08:24:14 PM
Pina colada! Come on that's too syrupy I'll take Coconut Cream over that.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: Squam256 on August 09, 2020, 08:33:05 PM
It’s a shame so many of you haven’t had M-4. It’s a special mango.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: johnb51 on August 09, 2020, 09:40:34 PM
It’s a shame so many of you haven’t had M-4. It’s a special mango.
Do you like it better than E-4?
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: Squam256 on August 09, 2020, 10:15:04 PM
It’s a shame so many of you haven’t had M-4. It’s a special mango.
Do you like it better than E-4?

I like them about the same honestly. They both have similar (but not identical) flavor profiles. M-4 has the benefit of being very late season, but Sugarloaf might be more disease resistant.

M-4 is an impressive producer by the way.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: johnb51 on August 09, 2020, 10:20:18 PM
You happy, bovine?
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: Squam256 on August 09, 2020, 10:30:52 PM
I took this photo back in May. This particular tree still has plenty of fruit on it, as do several other M-4s:

(https://i.postimg.cc/KKksf0sP/20451874-C467-4-DBF-91-A1-CA31691-B0712.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KKksf0sP)
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bovine421 on August 09, 2020, 10:31:54 PM
Pina colada!!! No I'm not happy mango seasons is over way too early! I know Tropical Acres Farms provides consultations but I need counseling :(
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bovine421 on August 09, 2020, 10:40:20 PM
I took this photo back in May. This particular tree still has plenty of fruit on it, as do several other M-4s:

(https://i.postimg.cc/KKksf0sP/20451874-C467-4-DBF-91-A1-CA31691-B0712.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KKksf0sP)
Oh! Ok  :)
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: johnb51 on August 09, 2020, 11:07:49 PM
I took this photo back in May. This particular tree still has plenty of fruit on it, as do several other M-4s:

(https://i.postimg.cc/KKksf0sP/20451874-C467-4-DBF-91-A1-CA31691-B0712.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KKksf0sP)
Oh! Ok  :)
That's better.  I've been working hard for you, man.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: johnb51 on August 10, 2020, 12:45:34 AM
Pina colada!!! No I'm not happy mango seasons is over way too early! I know Tropical Acres Farms provides consultations but I need counseling :(
You weren't paying attention.  That was only Satya's favorite.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bovine421 on August 10, 2020, 05:26:10 AM
You are correct sir! My ADD kicked in again, this is exactly how I ended up backing over my grandfather's mailbox ;D LOL
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: JulianoGS on August 10, 2020, 12:33:13 PM
I took this photo back in May. This particular tree still has plenty of fruit on it, as do several other M-4s:

(https://i.postimg.cc/KKksf0sP/20451874-C467-4-DBF-91-A1-CA31691-B0712.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KKksf0sP)

Is your M4 an alternate year fruit bearer?  Your tree is loaded, nice!
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: roblack on August 10, 2020, 01:35:08 PM
...even if m4 is alternate bearing, I could deal with that.

Too soon to tell with grafted trees in different regions and growing conditions.

Going to baby mine and treat her nice.

Found some local Keitts today. If they are even decent, going back tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: JulianoGS on August 10, 2020, 04:10:24 PM
Got some from Publix the other day and it was pretty good.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bsbullie on August 10, 2020, 05:37:38 PM
...even if m4 is alternate bearing, I could deal with that.

Too soon to tell with grafted trees in different regions and growing conditions.

Going to baby mine and treat her nice.

Found some local Keitts today. If they are even decent, going back tomorrow.

I know of someone with a M4 in Broward and it fruited last year and this year.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: Squam256 on August 10, 2020, 08:01:28 PM
I took this photo back in May. This particular tree still has plenty of fruit on it, as do several other M-4s:

(https://i.postimg.cc/KKksf0sP/20451874-C467-4-DBF-91-A1-CA31691-B0712.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KKksf0sP)

Is your M4 an alternate year fruit bearer?  Your tree is loaded, nice!

Not so far. We have several M-4 trees that have had nice crops in consecutive seasons.

Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bovine421 on August 10, 2020, 09:20:01 PM
Is E4 more forgiving in when to know when to pick? Does it have a longer flavor window? Is M4 like a Mallika in that  you pick it green and let it ripen at room temperture for a 7 to 10 days? Does it turn different shades of green as a indicator?
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bovine421 on August 11, 2020, 06:39:39 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/T5fFWftw/images-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/T5fFWftw)
Hmmmmm! Late season or longer peak flavor. M-4 or E-4  2020 Coconut King that is the Question???
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: JulianoGS on August 12, 2020, 11:21:21 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/T5fFWftw/images-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/T5fFWftw)
Hmmmmm! Late season or longer peak flavor. M-4 or E-4  2020 Coconut King that is the Question???

EZ, get both!
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: johnb51 on August 12, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
EZ, get both!
If you have the space, or graft one onto the other.
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bovine421 on August 12, 2020, 05:53:28 PM
I took this photo back in May. This particular tree still has plenty of fruit on it, as do several other M-4s:

(https://i.postimg.cc/KKksf0sP/20451874-C467-4-DBF-91-A1-CA31691-B0712.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KKksf0sP)
Oh! Ok  :)
That's better.  I've been working hard for you, man.
Oh Yeah! Woohoo!!!
Fruit tasting not together #2 Half Hop!
(https://i.postimg.cc/Mvf8vNh8/ggjj.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mvf8vNh8)
I guess I should have added Barbados cherry Golden Apple and some citrus but it's raining outside :)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cvGP6HRQ/thumbnail-1-bbbll.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cvGP6HRQ)
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: johnb51 on August 13, 2020, 11:19:27 PM
Is E4 more forgiving in when to know when to pick? Does it have a longer flavor window? Is M4 like a Mallika in that  you pick it green and let it ripen at room temperture for a 7 to 10 days? Does it turn different shades of green as a indicator?
That seems to be correct.  (Did you ask Alex when you were at his place?)
Title: Re: Mango Coconut king 2020 E-4 or M-4 Opinions please!
Post by: bovine421 on August 14, 2020, 02:27:28 AM
No we mostly discussed pruning. With Malika I wait for the first sign of yellowing but I don't know if that is the case with M-4