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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Shikuwasa "Lime"
« on: April 07, 2022, 07:57:43 AM »
I bought some green fruit last year and liked the taste very much, tart/sour but also with a noticeable mandarin note.
My own seed-grown plants have not flowered yet.

Do you know how coldhardy it really is? Reports range from -5 to -15 C..

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: U.S. 119...who is growing it?
« on: April 07, 2022, 07:55:43 AM »
Good thing I live in a fog hole.. ;D

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Cold hardy lemons
« on: March 15, 2022, 02:49:11 PM »
Has anyone grown or tried hanayu?

https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/CRC3469.html
EMN, 11/23/1988: A small, yellow, seedy fruit; very sour. Somewhat lemon-like in flavor.
It doesn't say anything about hardiness but I assume its hardy like its kabosu n such.

but also interestingly I found a paper that mentions hanayu crosses (along with yuzu & kabosu) having precocious flowering.
https://catalog.lib.kyushu-u.ac.jp/opac_download_md/4675/p615.pdf

found 1 mention of it on the form, enncouragingly compared to lemon as well https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=31460.msg353093#msg353093

The taste of the peel and juice are very close to normal Yuzu but the fruit is much smaller. One advantage is that it is a very prolific bearer. Also, it contains fewer seeds than Yuzu but still a lot. It is somewhat juicier than Yuzu but since it is also smaller, there is not really a lot of juice. I gave mine away last year. I didn't find it "very sour" as th ucr page suggests. I certainly wouldn't consider it a substitute for a lemon.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: inside hiding from cold
« on: March 13, 2022, 05:35:56 AM »
How cold was it?

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I have had contact with the author through facebook and he is a very friendly and helpful guy.
I also bought the book. If you know your coldhardy citruses and read the forums, there is not an awful lot to learn but it is a well-made book and certainly the best one exclusively about coldhardy citrus that is currently available.


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrumelo Nr. 82
« on: January 23, 2022, 05:28:10 AM »
Frank,
A French guy said somewhere that he tasted both 5* and 82 and that they were close. But I can't remember where I read that.
I have only tasted a European Dunstan from Germany and I did not like it too much. It was certainly no match for my 82.


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Tricimequat
« on: January 12, 2022, 06:33:15 AM »
Interesting, the plant is monofoliate? Or is that a random picture from the internet lol

The picture comes from this website https://www.eisenhut.ch/dyn/index.php?id=272791&onlyid=140267 .

I'm always curious why sellers on eBay don't post photos of their fruiting plants that they are collecting seed from?





might be a hoax?
the picture from Eisenhut is a different plant

I messaged the guy last time he offered seeds and asked why he used Eisenhut's photos. Did not get a reply.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Sanford Curafora
« on: December 20, 2021, 04:03:49 AM »
Till, yes I think it is a very attractive tree which is why I bought it. But as you say, it is not coldhardy enough for 6b/7 and people in warmer zones have much better options. Even if the plant was hardy enough, the fruits would freeze long before the plant.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Sanford Curafora
« on: December 19, 2021, 07:15:59 AM »
Florian, when you slice the fruit open it would be nice if you would put a picture of the insides on this thread.  Thanks

Here you go, Millet. I picked it because there were a few soft spots on the fruit. I was able to peel it but it wasn't as easy as with a regular clementine. The taste was mainly sour, a little sweetish and also slightly bitter. Given the disadvantages, I cannot really recommend it.










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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hybrid Nin-Kat-MandarinXPoncirus
« on: December 13, 2021, 03:52:58 PM »
Is Nin Kat itself particularly hardy? I saw a plant in Eisenhut's garden in July.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Citrumelo Nr. 82
« on: December 02, 2021, 03:17:19 PM »
I posted this on facebook but since not everyone is on there I thought I'd share it here too.

In Switzerland, we have this Citrumelo called Nr. 82 because that is its catalogue number from Eisenhut nursery. It is a selection they made. It is not known what the original variety was. A fellow citrus enthusiast once said that this was by far the best Citrumelo he had ever tasted and that he thought it tasted like a grapefruit from the 80s. A few days ago, I picked the fruits and I have to say it is quite good for a Poncirus hybrid. The flesh is sour but with a notable sweetness. It is also bitter but not unpleasantly so. And there is very little poncirine taste, no resin. The juice is even better, I can drink it just like that, bo Poncirus notes whatsoever. I used the juice to make jelly and I think it tastes great.

Mind you, this is still far from eatable compared to any commercial citrus but much better than other Poncirus hybrids that I have tasted. It is also better than Dunstan in our climate. I have a smaller one in ground but it hasn't fruited yet. It did sail through its first winter with about -9C unscathed though. Considering that spring and early summer were much too cold (everything is about a month behind) I think it could taste even better in a normal year.









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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
« on: November 18, 2021, 05:36:17 PM »
Has anybody ever had fruit from their plant? Haven't heard from Andreas since my above post from 2018.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: TaiTri
« on: September 12, 2021, 02:00:00 PM »
My TaiTri seedlings have such leaves:
This is a picture from spring after a winter with -11°C / 12.2°F


The leaves are quite uniform on all seedlings.

If these are the ones I sent you, they came from eyeckr.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Sanford Curafora
« on: September 08, 2021, 02:33:28 PM »
Here's my one fruit. It looks more yellowish on the photo than it actually is.


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Sanford Curafora
« on: August 29, 2021, 04:18:33 AM »
I bought mine in 2018 and it came with one overripe fruit that still tasted ok. It did not fruit in 2019. In 2020, it set one beautiful fruit but as of now, the fruit is still green and rock hard. There is something odd going on with my plant.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« on: May 07, 2021, 04:47:23 PM »
my experience with C.ichangensis is very difficult to interpret ... But up to now I have not seen any photos of mature pure ichangensis that survived long term in the Northern part of Europe.
Just to point out, there is one picture of a C. ichangensis in Germany zone 8a here:
"Hardy citrus growing in Switzerland"
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=30863.0

But it does seem to be in the middle of a residential suburban neighborhood, which may be having an effect on temperatures.

I know the guy and it is a seed-grown plant. It is by far the best ichangensis I have ever tasted (he sent me some fruit last year). They are early-ripening, seedless and easy to peel. Also, he says the plant is very coldhardy.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Yuzu Ichang Papeda cross
« on: May 06, 2021, 02:02:20 AM »
My seedlings from ichang papeda fruits have not proven to be as hardy as trifoliate hybrids. I thought that it was supposed to be hardy to 0 degrees according to Tom McClendon’s Hardy Citrus for the Southeast book. I had a really warm winter this year with temps getting above freezing every day and I lost two more three year old seedlings and one suffered minor damage with only being protected by plastic sheeting cover a few nights this winter. I’m done trying to grow papeda here. I have one yuzu but it will be protected like a satsuma here when I plant it in ground. I lost a seedling yuzu years ago when I tried protecting with only frost cloth.

Funny you should say that. I know several people in Germany and Austria who say that their seedlings are more coldhardy than their plants that are grafted on Poncirus (and also hardier than Poncirus hybrids). I guess it depends on so many factors..

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus ichangensis x sinensis (194)
« on: February 21, 2021, 05:43:55 AM »
From February 10 to February 14/15 we had a cold spell with daytime highs at around -3 C and nighttime temperatures between -5 and -9 C. The top layer of the ground was frozen solid. It has become once more apparent that this plant is not extremely coldhardy, at least not the leaves. The wood looks ok so far, I can see no cracks or fissures, but we won't know for sure until well into April/May.

I left the fruit on the tree right up to the cold spell to ascertain the impact on the fruit quality. Well, the fruit are quite dry and bitter at this time. The bitterness is unlike that of a grapefruit and not as pronounced. They taste sweet at first but then there is a cleary noticeable bitter aftertaste. I believe the best time to pick them where I live is around Christmas.








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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Ichang papeda fruiting season?
« on: November 22, 2020, 10:05:17 AM »
Mine flower in spring and occasionally flower again later in the year. Depending on the variety, they can be ripe as early as October.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Ichang papeda tasting / flavor
« on: October 19, 2020, 11:50:33 AM »
I'm thinking maybe in this northern climate, Ichang papeda fruits do not have time to grow to full size. The region around Portland/Olympia has already entered into the colder rainy season.
Keep in mind the early Fall season here has cooler/colder average temperatures than New England (although the temperatures show more stability with fewer very cold days).
If the fruits have only reached this size by this time in the year, then it is difficult to imagine them being able to grow any bigger.
This is from a big tree that should be fully mature enough.

I do not think it is the northern climate. My climate is cooler than Portland and has significantly fewer average hours of sun per day, yet the fruits grow to normal size and have no problem reaching maturity.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Poncirus winter protection
« on: September 05, 2020, 04:14:44 AM »
Poncirus is reputed to withstand -20 to -25C, depending on the source. I have not been able to test this but there are other people here who have seen those kind of temperatures. I would think that light protection during the first few years should suffice and no heating is necessary but others may know more.


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Would like to ask regarding the precocious, how long will take to fruit from seed?
Also would be interested what is minimum temp. it can withstand and what is best temp. to overwinter (could be overwinter in room temp. around 20C)?

I would also like to know what minimum temperatures they can take for a longer period of time. So far, I have been reluctant to buy a finger lime because I fear I will kill it in its first winter anyway. I overwinter my potted Citrus in a cold but just frost-free greenhouse.

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They got a little protection over the winter.

New Zealand lemonade protected on all sides with 4 layers of glass with the north wall my house.


Fukushu kumquat seed grown with 4 layers of glass east and west.  3 layers for south wall


Valentine pomelo behind 4 layers of glass east and west. 3 layer south wall


Meiwa kumquat with 4 layers of glass with no heating devices


Impressive setup you have there. I would be much too lazy to build such a sophisticated protection every winter. Here's hoping winters contiue being as mild as they have been the last few years here.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Ichangensis froze to death, then bloomed.
« on: June 16, 2020, 07:46:10 AM »
 19F/-7C seems weak. Any true Citrus ichangensis should be able to take more. I think Ilya said that Citrus ichangensis breaks dormancy quickly and is subsequently more vulnerable to (late) frosts and can be easily damaged at much higher temps than normal. I have never had this with my Citrus ichangensis but it is grafted on Poncirus. There is a fella near Cologne (GER) who has a seed-grown, fruiting tree which he claims is very coldhardy (also, the fruit are rather large and nearly seedless).

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« on: May 29, 2020, 04:46:21 AM »
Do any of the coldhardy citrus reliably ripen for you? Where I live, the absolute low isn't even that much of a problem but many varieties are just too late and then frost can take the fruit.

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