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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: beicadad on March 22, 2021, 01:37:46 AM
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For those of you who are not familiar with Yangmei, you can find some information at the wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrica_rubra.
The fruits are red to dark red, or black. Flesh is juicy, sweet and tart. Though wiki says the fruits are very tart, good varieties have very nice sweet/tart balance. One of my favorite fruits. The tree is hardy to USDA zone 10.
The trees have been out of reach for most people in the USA. Recently I talked to a Chinese fruit tree exporter, and I am negotiating with him. If we can get like 300 trees, the cost can be reasonable (around $45 per tree). Hence I am trying to get an assessment about how may trees we can reach in a group order. The exporter offers four varieties:
- Dongkui: large (20-40g), dark red, excellent flavor.
- Black Peak: new variety. Very large（up to 68g), black, stores better than other varieties
- An Hai: new variety. Early-maturing (mid May), medium fruit size (23g), purple black. Stores well
- Biqi: smaller fruits (10-20g) with small pits, black, juicy, sweet with aroma. said to be tasty
I ate a lot of Dongkui and it's really delicious. I didn't get to try other varieties. Trees are 1.5-2.5 ft tall, 1/4 - 3/8" diameter, bare-root (required by USDA APHIS)
If you are interested, please specify 1) # of trees you'd like to order, and 2) your location (such as Irvine, Southern California). I don't have time to ship 300 trees to like 100 locations so the idea is to ship large quantiles to a few people in certain cities and people go pick up the trees there.
It's not a commitment at this point, I just want to check how many trees we can get. Keep in mind of the risks below
- Being scammed: Many years ago many people group-ordered from the same guy, and received the trees. However, obviously I cannot guarantee he doesn't scam us this time
- Tree condition: Exporter said it takes two weeks to receive the tree. Delay is possible (for example, custom clearance) due to COVID. There is simply no guarantee that they all arrive in top conditions.
- Transplant risks: Yangmei trees are sensitive to transplant especially when shipped bare-root. The success rate was very low according a member who bought Yangmei trees last time. He had good success however (light potting mix, low temperature, high humidity, no overwatering keep in shade for 3-5 months!)
- Additional costs: shipping fees from USA to select locations near you, hidden costs such as custom clearance (not sure yet)
Update 3/23:
- I created a spreadsheet here with your order info here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11ujd-xLLAKCaBIxLbK0HJnhlZNeBrwyCr66AOc8sqec/edit?usp=sharing
- Please double check for accuracy. Comment in the google sheet or post your correction here. If your username is highlighted, you didn't specify the accurate # of trees or varieties
- This is a non-profit effort to help everyone (myself included) to get this amazing tree. Hopefully some of us will be successful so that we can help each other out in the future. That being said, I will charge $1 per tree to cover my time, just for transparency purpose.
- The price is an estimate based on the quote from the exporter based on 300 trees, and until I collect the $ from everyone (and hence the final # of trees), the price is just an estimate. I hope to further negotiate price down once we are ready to commit.
- Survey will close as soon as the import permit is approved. Then I will announce the price (with $1 added) and start collect $ from everyone (Paypal friend's and family option). Potential complication is that people don't send me money, cause the final order size to be much smaller, and hence we might need to pay higher price per tree
- After collecting money, I will send 50% of the payment to the exporter as a deposit. He will get the trees ready and apply for phyto certificate. Then he will ship the trees out. I am still negotiating when to make final payment. He wants full payment after phyto certificate and other government approvals (which he claims is the norm), and I want to pay him only after receiving the tree.
- Please stay tuned for updates! We need to act pretty quickly since the weather is getting hotter and the conditions become harsher for the trees
Update 3/31: I got import permit approved! Since we are just ordering for San Diego pickup only, we will be processing the CA orders at this time, which has a total of 198 trees, and I expect the final committed # of trees to be even lower. Hence the cost per tree is higher. Please pay attention to the following:
- Please send payment ($55/tree) to beicadad4533@gmail.com via Paypal and use friends and family option, double check the order info in the spreadsheet before you do so! Please include your forum username with the payment
- This is limited to people who can pick up from San Diego or who can have someone pickup from San Diego
- If you haven't signed up, you can still sign up and send payment before we close the group buy. Timing depends on how quickly we can collect payment for ~200 trees;
- For those who ask someone else to pick up the trees, make sure you double check the forum username in the "Pickup by" column of the spreadsheet
- There is still a chance that this will not go through - such as very low # of actual trees ordered. In this case, you will be fully refunded
- Next steps: once we close the group buy we will send 50% payment to seller immediately. 30% payment due when phyto certificate is ready and trees are ready to be shipped (~10 days after first payment), 20% due after trees are received ~2weeks after first payment).
Update 4/4: We've reached the critical mass - more than 150 trees. You can still sign up and send payment at this point. I Plan to send payment some time on Monday. After that the opportunity will be closed.
Update 4/7: It's taken a bit longer to add a term on the tree condition. Finally the seller accepted it. Expect the contract to be signed and first payment to be sent on 4/8. You can still join at this point. Thank you for your patience!
Update 4/8: the deposit was sent to the seller today. The seller is now preparing the trees and and will apply for phyto certificate. It takes 7-10 days to get documents ready for air shipping.
I ordered a few extras, so you may still join and send payment (very limited QTY though).
- For everyone who ordered, please double check your QTY and varieties, and double check who will pick up the trees for you if you can't come
- For those in Socal but not in San Diego (such as Los Angeles, Irvine, Riverside), please consider consolidate order pickup to save yourself a trip.
- For those in Bay Area, CA central coast, I believe nattyfroootz will pick up the trees. Please double check.
Update 4/29:
All gone!
Dongkui: 0 left. $55 each. they come with less roots compared but are still alive.
Black Peak: 0 left. $65 each
An Hai: 0 left. $75 each
Biqi: 0 left. $85 each
Minimum two trees per order. First come first serve. Please send payment ($55/tree) to beicadad4533@gmail.com via Paypal and use friends and family option, Please include your forum username with the payment
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Thanks for putting this together.
I would want anywhere from 12 - 20 trees. Definitely Dongkui and Biqi.
South Miami, FL area.
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Put me down for one Biqi and one Dongkui just to support the cause.
What is the plan for male trees?
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Put me down for one Biqi and one Dongkui just to support the cause.
What is the plan for male trees?
The seller said the grafted trees will produce both male and female flowers. However, I heard that it may many years for the trees to mature up to produce both male and female.
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12 trees, 3 of each variety. Southeast Florida (South Miami, FL area)
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Put me down for one Biqi and one Dongkui just to support the cause.
What is the plan for male trees?
The seller said the grafted trees will produce both male and female flowers. However, I heard that it may many years for the trees to mature up to produce both male and female.
Another seller in China told me all plants sent would produce fruit. Wasn't sure at the time if he was suggesting that yangmei is monoecious, which is contrary to what I have heard from other sources. To be sure, want some extras!
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3 trees. Dongkui, Black Peak, Biqi. Local pick up or Fountain Valley, Southern California area.
Thank you!
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I would like to support the cause.
Put me down for one of each. I am near LAX.
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2 - Black Peak
2- An Hai
I am in San Diego.
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I would gladly stick it to those monopolizers.
Put me down for 4 to 6
I'm in San Diego
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Put me down for 4 (1 of each) Located in TN so local pickup is not an option :P .
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The exporter has seedless lychees too but it seems that postentry quarantine is required. Anyone familiar with the process?
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I'd be in for 6. I am in San Diego.
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I would take 1 of each. Santa Barbara, CA but I'm willing to drive down to LA / OC for a pick up there.
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PM sent
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Put me down for 1 of each variety. I’m in San Diego.
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I'd be in for some lychees, if the requirements could be worked out.
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I'd be in for a couple of trees 1=Dongkui and 1= Black Peak I'm in Arroyo Grande, Ca. Central Coast of Ca.
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I would be interested in one of each.
I'm in the Southern California Area.
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In the articles I read they compare the flavor to pomegranate, would you say that is accurate?
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In the articles I read they compare the flavor to pomegranate, would you say that is accurate?
It has some similarity to pomegranate, though without the astringency. Yangmei is much tastier though, IMO.
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Thank youuu! There is a God! This is the top tree on my list. I’d do 4 of each. Riverside, CA.
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Interested in
1 Dongkui
1 Black Peak
SLO, CA 93405.
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I’m in for 2 seedless lychee.
Pick up in SD is not an issue.
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I’m in for 2 seedless lychee.
Pick up in SD is not an issue.
Most likely won’t order lychees to complicate things. I’m not sure about the process requirements
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Ok
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Lychees would really be an issue. I know in Florida, they would be required to be put in quarantine by USDA protocols. Not sure what, if any, protocols would need to be followed in California.
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5 trees
San Jose
CA
Thank you
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We’re interested in 2 of each (4total) and we’re in mission viejo Ca and can drive locally (LA to SD etc)
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Lychees would really be an issue. I know in Florida, they would be required to be put in quarantine by USDA protocols. Not sure what, if any, protocols would need to be followed in California.
Yes, I would stick with one species (m. rubra). Already risky enough, and lychee particularly is a problem right now. Wouldn't want to give any extra reasons for the shipment to be held.
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Lychees would really be an issue. I know in Florida, they would be required to be put in quarantine by USDA protocols. Not sure what, if any, protocols would need to be followed in California.
Yes, I would stick with one species (m. rubra). Already risky enough, and lychee particularly is a problem right now. Wouldn't want to give any extra reasons for the shipment to be held.
agreed
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We’re interested in 2 of each (4total) and we’re in mission viejo Ca and can drive locally (LA to SD etc)
that's 8, right? there are 4 varieties
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I'm interested in (1) Dongkui and (1) biqi
Norther CA, SF Bay Area 94555
Can ship to me and I can help distribute to others in NorCal; or I can drive down to SoCal for pick up.
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I'm good for 4-6 (1 of each and I'll take up to two more Dongkui if needed)
South Florida
Keith
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I'm good for 4-6 (1 of each and I'll take up to two more Dongkui if needed)
South Florida
Keith
Just realized my location was vague.
I'm in Southwest Ranches, FL but will travel anywhere in South Eastern FL to pickup.
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Two of each.
So how do we do the payment? How do we keep everything transparent? How are the phyto certificates going to be handled?
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I'd be interested in one of each.
I tried importing lychees from China a few years ago.They came and the local Ag inspector checked them in my quarantine area where they have to be for 2 years. After more than a year the state AG came and said I couldn't have them so they took all 50 and destroyed them. I think it was because China didn't want to have them imported to the USA.
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Thanks for putting this together beicadad. I'd be interested in:
Dongkui: 2 trees
Black Peak: 2 tress
I'm also located in San Diego, CA.
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Two of each.
So how do we do the payment? How do we keep everything transparent? How are the phyto certificates going to be handled?
Please check my updated post. We still need to get more orders in to get better price. If you know someone who might want the tree, please ask him/her to sign up.
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Update 3/23:
- I created a spreadsheet here with your order info here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11ujd-xLLAKCaBIxLbK0HJnhlZNeBrwyCr66AOc8sqec/edit?usp=sharing
- Please double check for accuracy. Comment in the google sheet or post your correction here. If your username is highlighted, you didn't specify the accurate # of trees or varieties
- This is a non-profit effort to help everyone (myself included) to get this amazing tree. Hopefully some of us will be successful so that we can help each other out in the future. That being said, I will charge $1 per tree to cover my time, just for transparency purpose.
- The price is an estimate based on the quote from the exporter based on 300 trees, and until I collect the $ from everyone (and hence the final # of trees), the price is just an estimate. I hope to further negotiate price down once we are ready to commit.
- Survey will close 3/24 9PM PST. On or before 3/25, I will announce the price (with $1 added) and start collect $ from everyone (Paypal friend's and family option). Potential complication is that people don't send me money, cause the final order size to be much smaller, and hence we might need to pay higher price per tree
- After collecting money, I will send 50% of the payment to the exporter as a deposit. He will get the trees ready and apply for phyto certificate. Then he will ship the trees out. I am still negotiating when to make final payment. He wants full payment after phyto certificate and other government approvals (which he claims is the norm), and I want to pay him only after receiving the tree.
- Please stay tuned for updates! We need to act pretty quickly since the weather is getting hotter and the conditions become harsher for the trees
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Lets change my order to:
5 Biqi
5 Dongkui
2 Hai
2 Black Peak
14 total
Thanks again for doing this!
So exciting, and a little scary.
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I’d like to change my order please to one of each:
1 Biqi
1 Dongkui
1 Hai
1 Black Peak
Thanks Ken!
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I am interested in Black Peak. Would anyone in FL order an extra one for me, and eventually I come and pick it up (might be a year or so), Ill pay double..
Also, is this exporter willing to sell scions and viable seeds (even at a high price?)?
One more, maybe a long shot but can M. rubra be pollinated by Arbutus unedo or wax myrtle?
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I am interested in 2 of each.
Central Coast/CA Bay Area
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I would take 4 (1 for each variety). I live in Los Angeles.
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I would like a total of 6:
2 Dongkui
2 Black Peak
1 An Hai
1 Biqi
South Florida area, Delray Beach, can drive to pickup.
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In for 3:
1 - Dongkui
1 - Black Peak
1 - Biqi
Hayward CA - 94541
Thanks!
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Update 3/24: Looks like the import permit will take a few days to be approved (Seller said I didn't need it, until I called USDA). Therefore I am extending the survey for a few more days.
UDSA said lychee trees are not allowed to be imported.
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Thanks for the info, guys.
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1 of each Yumberry please. Bokeelia, FL 33922
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I'm interested in:
2x dongkui
2x biqi
I'm in San Diego. I can do local pickup.
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I would like to buy 4 trees please
1x dongkui
2x biqi
1x Black Peak
I'm in Northern California so can pick up in the SF bayarea please
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Hi I would like to add 4 more of each variety, so a total of 24 total 6 of each variety for Mark Lee in Chula Vista, San Diego.
Thanks
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Hi-
I am having difficulty accessing the google document but I would like one of each
Dongkui: large (20-40g), dark red, excellent flavor.
Black Peak: new variety. Very large（up to 68g), black, stores better than other varieties
An Hai: new variety. Early-maturing (mid May), medium fruit size (23g), purple black. Stores well
Houston TX
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I would be interested in one of each
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Please put me down for:
1 x Donkui
1 x Black Peak
1 x An Hai
1 x Biqi
Thanks for trying to pull this together beicadad!
Oh yeah, I’m in San Diego but you already knew that!
Simon
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I would like:
1 x Donkui
1 x Black Peak
1 x Biqi
I’m in SW Florida and can pick up anywhere between Tampa and Ft Myers (or a little further if needed).
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What strategies will everyone be taking to mitigate transplant shock?
It looks like the folks at Calmei tried to import their trees originally, but they didn't survive to fruiting age https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451 (https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451)
It's also good to know that these are nitrogen fixers too.
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What strategies will everyone be taking to mitigate transplant shock?
It looks like the folks at Calmei tried to their import trees, but they didn't survive to fruiting age https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451 (https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451)
It's also good to know that these are nitrogen fixers too.
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=634.0 (https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=634.0)
Here's a good thread about caring for bare rooted trees.
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What strategies will everyone be taking to mitigate transplant shock?
It looks like the folks at Calmei tried to their import trees, but they didn't survive to fruiting age https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451 (https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451)
It's also good to know that these are nitrogen fixers too.
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=634.0 (https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=634.0)
Here's a good thread about caring for bare rooted trees.
Thanks for the pointer! I think it’s very important that people understand the risk of trees not surviving the transplant. As far as I know, the guy who got good success last time followed the same method. Others had pretty bad results.
This is exciting and scary at the same time. You may want to adjust your quantities before you commit and send money over!
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What strategies will everyone be taking to mitigate transplant shock?
It looks like the folks at Calmei tried to their import trees, but they didn't survive to fruiting age https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451 (https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451)
It's also good to know that these are nitrogen fixers too.
the link doesn't work for me
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I like to get two of each varieties, 8 trees all together. San Diego, CA local pick up. Thanks.
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Guys I have a dilemma. I checked 1-day shipping cost at Fedex or UPS, say 20lbs in a 30x20x10 box. Shipping fee easily goes to $500, then there is cost of packaging as well. I don't have experience packing trees and I am concerned that you might not be happy at the conditions after receiving them.
Therefore I am leaning toward a SoCal, pick up only order this time. This must be pretty disappointing for some of you. If we are successful this time, maybe next time we can expand it to other regions.
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Hi
I always use USPS EXPRESS MAIL service. Not so expensive.
10 trees bareroot in wet sphagnum moss cost approximately 100 USD. Believe me I have a lot of experience. Anyway I can ask a friend for local pickup .
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You could check if airport to airport is cheaper. This is shipping it directly through an airline like Delta. The biggest hitch with this is someone has to drop them off at the departing airport and someone else has to pick it up at a the receiving airport. It’s more complicated but can save some money. You could also see if someone on the forum has a business that does a lot of shipping since they can potentially get a dramatically better rate.
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I recently ordered 7 kousa dogwoods from a nursery who sent it express mail and they arrived within 3 days. Most were desiccated and dying when I got them in. That was less than 3 days shipping of several 2-ft bare root trees. I complained and they sent me 7 replacements, of which most survived because I told them to pack in a lot more moist paper towels..
When you go to repot the bare root trees, NEVER put them in full sun! For at least a few months. Perhaps extra humidity too.
That is my experience with bare root trees, can be pretty shotty..
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1 each of every variety.San Diego pick up.
Thanks!
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Yes, very frustrating but understandable. Please document the process in detail so others can learn from your experience.
Guys I have a dilemma. I checked 1-day shipping cost at Fedex or UPS, say 20lbs in a 30x20x10 box. Shipping fee easily goes to $500, then there is cost of packaging as well. I don't have experience packing trees and I am concerned that you might not be happy at the conditions after receiving them.
Therefore I am leaning toward a SoCal, pick up only order this time. This must be pretty disappointing for some of you. If we are successful this time, maybe next time we can expand it to other regions.
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Guys I have a dilemma. I checked 1-day shipping cost at Fedex or UPS, say 20lbs in a 30x20x10 box. Shipping fee easily goes to $500, then there is cost of packaging as well. I don't have experience packing trees and I am concerned that you might not be happy at the conditions after receiving them.
Therefore I am leaning toward a SoCal, pick up only order this time. This must be pretty disappointing for some of you. If we are successful this time, maybe next time we can expand it to other regions.
I could make the journey down to Socal for BayArea /Central Coast.
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UPS ground shipping will be economical and will be next day for the area surrounding the shipper.
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If this thing works out for the SoCal group, hopefully the members in other states can follow in your example and work out a group buy of their own. I don’t think it will be too difficult for Florida members to rack up enough interest to reach a minimum plant order to make the group buy worth while.
Simon
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Guys I have a dilemma. I checked 1-day shipping cost at Fedex or UPS, say 20lbs in a 30x20x10 box. Shipping fee easily goes to $500, then there is cost of packaging as well. I don't have experience packing trees and I am concerned that you might not be happy at the conditions after receiving them.
Therefore I am leaning toward a SoCal, pick up only order this time. This must be pretty disappointing for some of you. If we are successful this time, maybe next time we can expand it to other regions.
I could make the journey down to Socal for BayArea /Central Coast.
Could also grab them from me? I have a long bed, could take all of the Bay's orders up to SB to save some time for you Nate
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For those curious, I've been doing a bit of research into the different varieties and found some interesting info.
Zhejiang (the main Yangmei producing provence), has an annual competition to judge different cultivars and growers. In 2020, the DongKui took first place to beat out Biqi with a soluble solid content of 15.5% to 14.7% respectively.
The winning farm is located in Lanxi. It looks to be USDA zone 9b/10a with an average annual rainfall of ~57", most of that coming in the spring/summer rainy season. I've visited Hangzhou, a couple hours drive north from Lanxi, and I can see why there is the old saying "上有天堂, 下有苏杭". It roughly means "Just as there is paradise in heaven, there are Suzhou and Hangzhou on earth".
Sources:
- 2020 Zhejiang Yangmei competition (https://zj.zjol.com.cn/news.html?id=1467555)
- Comparison of Biqi and Dongkui Yangmei in Xianju county (https://k.sina.com.cn/article_7033417344_1a3396e8000100jmq6.html?from=home)
- Dongkui Yangmei encyclopedia entry (https://www.baike.com/wikiid/1568692654343429840?prd=home_search&search_id=3onahj8awfz7k&view_id=475vrv6pp42000)
- Weather in Lanxi, Jinhua, Zhejiang Provence, China (https://weatherspark.com/y/133586/Average-Weather-in-Lanxi-China-Year-Round)
I'd be very interested to see what other information folks have found for the varieties on offer.
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For those curious, I've been doing a bit of research into the different varieties and found some interesting info.
Zhejiang (the main Yangmei producing provence), has an annual competition to judge different cultivars and growers. In 2020, the DongKui took first place to beat out Biqi with a soluble solid content of 15.5% to 14.7% respectively.
The winning farm is located in Lanxi. It looks to be USDA zone 9b/10a with an average annual rainfall of ~57", most of that coming in the spring/summer rainy season. I've visited Hangzhou, a couple hours drive north from Lanxi, and I can see why there is the old saying "上有天堂, 下有苏杭". It roughly means "Just as there is paradise in heaven, there are Suzhou and Hangzhou on earth".
Sources:
- 2020 Zhejiang Yangmei competition (https://zj.zjol.com.cn/news.html?id=1467555)
- Comparison of Biqi and Dongkui Yangmei in Xianju county (https://k.sina.com.cn/article_7033417344_1a3396e8000100jmq6.html?from=home)
- Dongkui Yangmei encyclopedia entry (https://www.baike.com/wikiid/1568692654343429840?prd=home_search&search_id=3onahj8awfz7k&view_id=475vrv6pp42000)
- Weather in Lanxi, Jinhua, Zhejiang Provence, China (https://weatherspark.com/y/133586/Average-Weather-in-Lanxi-China-Year-Round)
I'd be very interested to see what other information folks have found for the varieties on offer.
Quality research, thank you for that!
I'm looking forward to the challenge of getting these bare-roots to survive.
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beicadad, are you sure this doesn't require you to keep the plants for 2 years in quarantine at your place? I've had a permit before that required that I keep the imported plants whatever they are for 2 years before they could be moved out of my house. That was 7-8 years ago and I never renewed the permit.
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That's true!
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Guys I have a dilemma. I checked 1-day shipping cost at Fedex or UPS, say 20lbs in a 30x20x10 box. Shipping fee easily goes to $500, then there is cost of packaging as well. I don't have experience packing trees and I am concerned that you might not be happy at the conditions after receiving them.
Therefore I am leaning toward a SoCal, pick up only order this time. This must be pretty disappointing for some of you. If we are successful this time, maybe next time we can expand it to other regions.
I could make the journey down to Socal for BayArea /Central Coast.
Thank you Nate
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beicadad, are you sure this doesn't require you to keep the plants for 2 years in quarantine at your place? I've had a permit before that required that I keep the imported plants whatever they are for 2 years before they could be moved out of my house. That was 7-8 years ago and I never renewed the permit.
Checked the list of plants that require postentry quarantine and Myrica is not on the list. I also sent an email to USDA for confirmation and am waiting for their response.
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Tried to add myself to the spreadsheet, but not sure if it worked. Can you put me down for one Dongkui and black peak?
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Did you want PayPal now?
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I would love to be put on the list for 1 Dongkui, 1 Black Peak and 1 Biqi!
Didn’t look like I could just add myself to the spreadsheet.
I am in Palm Bay, Florida.
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Did you want PayPal now?
Hi Shane, I’d like to make sure import permit is in place before collect money. Will move pretty fast to collect money after that.
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I would love to be put on the list for 1 Dongkui, 1 Black Peak and 1 Biqi!
Didn’t look like I could just add myself to the spreadsheet.
I am in Palm Bay, Florida.
Sorry this round we will do SoCal pickup only. Fast Shipping to FL is too cost prohibitive - too much at stake for slower shipping.
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Guys in Bay Area and central CA, can you find someone who is willing to pick up at San Diego on your behalf?
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Guys in Bay Area and central CA, can you find someone who is willing to pick up at San Diego on your behalf?
nattyfroootz mentioned he can make the drive
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I would love to be put on the list for 1 Dongkui, 1 Black Peak and 1 Biqi!
Didn’t look like I could just add myself to the spreadsheet.
I am in Palm Bay, Florida.
Sorry this round we will do SoCal pickup only. Fast Shipping to FL is too cost prohibitive - too much at stake for slower shipping.
Understood - appreciate the response
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Guys in Bay Area and central CA, can you find someone who is willing to pick up at San Diego on your behalf?
Yep, got a truck and can make it down whenever is necessary.
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Now we are getting real serious! I got the import permit approved!
Pay read the update in the first post and send payment. Thanks!
(https://i.postimg.cc/kVBsqY7k/B2849-DFD-84-DD-4567-B712-78-F235263547.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kVBsqY7k)
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So exciting! Payment sent.
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Very exciting! Payment sent.
Tons of thanks.
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Thanks Nate. How will Nor Cal buyers contact or arrange to meet? How much do you want for gas?
Guys I have a dilemma. I checked 1-day shipping cost at Fedex or UPS, say 20lbs in a 30x20x10 box. Shipping fee easily goes to $500, then there is cost of packaging as well. I don't have experience packing trees and I am concerned that you might not be happy at the conditions after receiving them.
Therefore I am leaning toward a SoCal, pick up only order this time. This must be pretty disappointing for some of you. If we are successful this time, maybe next time we can expand it to other regions.
I could make the journey down to Socal for BayArea /Central Coast.
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I am thinking that I'll drive down and back in the same day then likely have anyone over to collect their plants. Although, depending on the situation I can just stop in San Jose somewhere and try and just get people to pick up their plants there. I'll stay posted and keep track of gas expenses and try and just split it between everyone in the order.
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It would be great if everyone that ordered plants send in their payment as soon as possible before it gets too hot. I just sent payment.
Simon
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Payment sent.
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Hey Beicadad,
I would like to add two more Dongkui and two more Biqi to my order. I will PayPal the additional funds now.
My total should be:
3 x Dongkui
1 x Black Peak
1 x An Hai
3 x Biqi
Thanks,
Simon
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Where do we send payment?
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Where do we send payment?
The instruction is in the first post. thanks.
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This is better than March Madness. Hopeful for everyone, but could be a nail biter
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This is better than March Madness. Hopeful for everyone, but could be a nail biter
We just got blasted with 85f dry as a bone weather here... I would love to keep the greenhouse doors shut and humidity way up for these. Let's hope we get some cool weather when they arrive.
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your best option is indoors with a humifier running on humidistat under grow lamps on low.
i got a 20$ humidistat on amazon and my kids winnie the poo humidifier that i use to keep a room the right humidity when needed.
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We just got blasted with 85f dry as a bone weather here...
It's hitting 80'F up here in SLO too today, crazy cause some friends back east are preparing for freezing cold front 🥶
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your best option is indoors with a humifier running on humidistat under grow lamps on low.
i got a 20$ humidistat on amazon and my kids winnie the poo humidifier that i use to keep a room the right humidity when needed.
I have some 50% white shade cloth that'll arrive on Saturday. I hope that'll let me close the doors up to around 80f. It holds humidity really well since it's full of ultra soaked jabos and stuff like that. Usually sitting in the 70% area. There are a few spots that are blocked by direct sun by those monster dragonfruit trellises.
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Please put me down for 1 of each variety (4 trees total), will be sending paypal shortly. I'm in Castro Valley (Bay Area). Would join in with Nate's NorCal pick-up.
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slopat and k-Rimes how do you plan on picking up your trees? Since were are all relatively close ( closer than L.A.) maybe we can work out plan between us to pick up our tree's! Open to suggestions? I don't have a truck w/a shell on back!
beicadad I sent payment!
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Hello! Can I please get 2 trees:
1:
Dongkui
2:
Biqi
Thank you! PayPaling you now. Appreciate you!
-Sean (Sean Shahrokhi)
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Hi Ken, you may want to send everyone who hasn’t paid a personal message as email notifications still aren’t working.
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Hi Ken, you may want to send everyone who hasn’t paid a personal message as email notifications still aren’t working.
Sure. do you know how to send a group msg? separate usernames by , or ;?
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slopat and k-Rimes how do you plan on picking up your trees? Since were are all relatively close ( closer than L.A.) maybe we can work out plan between us to pick up our tree's! Open to suggestions? I don't have a truck w/a shell on back!
beicadad I sent payment!
I have a long bed f350 but no shell. I was planning to head down to LA to grab mine, but don't mind grabbing them all for others in the central coast area - dunno how you feel about uncovered in the truck bed if it comes to it (Being that they're really big up top with lots of branches, but that is doubtful) I did read in the original post that "Trees are 1.5-2.5 ft tall, 1/4 - 3/8" diameter, bare-root" so I figure they could just go in the back seat for the most part. Not sure how they'll be packaged, either.
I count 10 trees for our area and think they'd probably fit in the back seat fine.
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Payment sent.
Hoping I can join Nate's (nattyfroootz) pickup as well <3
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Hi Ken, you may want to send everyone who hasn’t paid a personal message as email notifications still aren’t working.
Sure. do you know how to send a group msg? separate usernames by , or ;?
I don’t know how to send a group message. I would just type a generic message and then copy and paste it to each person’s personal message inbox.
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Possible options,
1) Asking Nate to transport, If he's cruising up the 101
Nate takes a pit stop near us, AG is in-between SM9b and I, and meet up with him.
*** Could also help out K-Rimes too on the way up.
2) One of us goes down to K-Rimes and brings them up
slopat and k-Rimes how do you plan on picking up your trees? Since were are all relatively close ( closer than L.A.) maybe we can work out plan between us to pick up our tree's! Open to suggestions? I don't have a truck w/a shell on back!
beicadad I sent payment!
I have a long bed f350 but no shell. I was planning to head down to LA to grab mine, but don't mind grabbing them all for others in the central coast area - dunno how you feel about uncovered in the truck bed if it comes to it (Being that they're really big up top with lots of branches, but that is doubtful) I did read in the original post that "Trees are 1.5-2.5 ft tall, 1/4 - 3/8" diameter, bare-root" so I figure they could just go in the back seat for the most part. Not sure how they'll be packaged, either.
I count 10 trees for our area and think they'd probably fit in the back seat fine.
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All of the above options sound good to me as I don't really want to go down to L.A. area but could go to K-Rimes to pick up no problem! We could help pay for gas to K-Rimes or something!
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Hi Ken, you may want to send everyone who hasn’t paid a personal message as email notifications still aren’t working.
Sure. do you know how to send a group msg? separate usernames by , or ;?
I don’t know how to send a group message. I would just type a generic message and then copy and paste it to each person’s personal message inbox.
And/or their personal email
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I paid the total price for my order
Looking forward to picking up my four trees from Nate
Thanks Nate and Kang Wang
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I have paid for the 4 trees that I requested.
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All of the above options sound good to me as I don't really want to go down to L.A. area but could go to K-Rimes to pick up no problem! We could help pay for gas to K-Rimes or something!
Just buy some cool plants from my greenhouse or something. No worries. I’m happy to do it for the central coast folk.
SantaMaria9b
Slopat
Do you also want me to grab your trees?
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All of the above options sound good to me as I don't really want to go down to L.A. area but could go to K-Rimes to pick up no problem! We could help pay for gas to K-Rimes or something!
Just buy some cool plants from my greenhouse or something. No worries. I’m happy to do it for the central coast folk.
SantaMaria9b
Slopat
Do you also want me to grab your trees?
That would be a awesome if you could grab my trees. Thanks a bunch
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Thanks guys. We are at 126 trees now. Need to get 24 more trees minimum to get this price.
If you know a friend who might be interested, this is the time to let them know.
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I want a couple but can’t sign up right now.
I’ll sign when I sit at a pc later.
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Just sent payment. Thanks again for the great work on this!
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Getting closer. Just a few orders away. Still waiting for the following IDs
RevivalR00ts
Rtreid
Svamarlins
Tlaloc
ChristineT
knlim000
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1 Dongkui
1 Black Peak
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How do I update the pickup? I will pickup in SoCal? What is the payment deadline? What are the pickups dates?I need to know so I can arrange travel.
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CA only for now, right? Would love to try and give this a go if able to get to FL at some point.
Kudos on organizing, best luck!
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How much will price go up if we are at a nominal 160-170 trees? Is it more cost effective for us to just add another tree to the order to get it over 200?
I realize this may be a complicated calculation / dependent on seller.
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How much will price go up if we are at a nominal 160-170 trees? Is it more cost effective for us to just add another tree to the order to get it over 200?
I realize this may be a complicated calculation / dependent on seller.
160-170 there is no saving. but if we can reach 200, we can shave $3 off each tree
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To all the people in the Bay Area/ Norcal that would like me to pick up their order please reach out and I will add you to my excel sheet. Ideally people would come to pick up their trees in Santa Cruz (right by UCSC campus) , because I will likely not be getting back until later in the day, although will try and get back in a timely manner. Also, it would be difficult to be stopping multiple places and taking trees out to sort and dole out, etc. I'll be giving people an ETA to let them know when I arrive.
If you are in central Cal it would be awesome if K-rimes could snag your plants, because I think I will likely be going up the 5. I can meet you off the 5 though if we can be quick and make that work.
If people would like me to pot up their plants, I can do that and would require a fee: ~10$ per plant depending on pot size (5g or 15g?) and Fox Farm Ocean Forest potting soil, which all my Yangmei seedlings really seem to like. I would be doing this as soon as I arrive home. If that is something you are interested in, please let me know.
Further, any contributions towards gas would be appreciated; plant trades are always welcome ;)
Here is the sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1acoF9WkEI2yzlDYheoYH_XOuKY0GWphHIOm5YKXzty8/edit?usp=sharing
Thank you, and it may make sense to have someone from respective areas; San Jose, SF, etc. to come pick up plants.
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For the record, so far I have been impressed with the Yangmei varieties I've tried. Definitely worth having this tree if you have the budget and space for them.
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Update 4/4: We've reached the critical mass - more than 150 trees. You can still sign up and send payment at this point. I Plan to send payment some time on Monday. After that the opportunity will be closed.
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Is this still available?
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Is this still available?
yes
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My name is not on your list.
Not sure I should send payment now.
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My name is not on your list.
Not sure I should send payment now.
Yes please send now and I will add you to the list. Thanks
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just paypal you. Please reserve for me 1 dongkui and 1 black peak.
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If you California guys are in a struggle to meet the 200 minimum, consider working out a deal with us South Florida Guys. I'm willing to purchase 2 or 3 trees to tag on your California order now with a promise of shipment later in the summer once the trees have recovered from the initial shipping stress - maybe a moth or two. I could tag on an extra $20-25 per tree to make up for shipping/potting/baby sitting.
I don't know, just an idea. I imagine there are more than a few South Florida guys here who would be cool with a deal like that.
Thoughts?
Keith
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I’m in for 2 seedless lychee.
Pick up in SD is not an issue.
Most likely won’t order lychees to complicate things. I’m not sure about the process requirements
Alex from papaya tree nursery explained to me this quarantine process last year. He said it sounds complicated but it is not. I can try to email and ask him, I forget most of what he said because I was not planning to import any tree back then.
Is it too late to order the yang mei?
Btw, i am sorry if this is out ofvtopic, but i emailed the USDA a month ago because i am planning to import some mango trees from Indonesia. The seller has export license and phyto.
USDA emailed me back 'no fruit tree import is permitted at this time'.
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I’m in for 2 seedless lychee.
Pick up in SD is not an issue.
Most likely won’t order lychees to complicate things. I’m not sure about the process requirements
Alex from papaya tree nursery explained to me this quarantine process last year. He said it sounds complicated but it is not. I can try to email and ask him, I forget most of what he said because I was not planning to import any tree back then.
Is it too late to order the yang mei?
Btw, i am sorry if this is out ofvtopic, but i emailed the USDA a month ago because i am planning to import some mango trees from Indonesia. The seller has export license and phyto.
USDA emailed me back 'no fruit tree import is permitted at this time'.
You can still order now. I plan to close it tomorrow. Everyone in USDA told me that an import permit is needed.
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My name is not on your list.
Not sure I should send payment now.
you are on the list now. thanks
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Sorry for the flood of questions...
What is the shipping method for these from China? Do you know what the expected time is from the seller packaging the trees to when they clear US customs? Also, what terms did the seller agree to, e.g FOB, CIF, DDP, etc?
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I'll take
1 Dongkui
1 Black Peak
Thanks
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Is this still available to order?
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Alright, I'm officially the pick-up guy for Central Coast folks. If anyone else is holding back from the cennie coast get that order in! So far I'm picking up for:
SantaMaria9b
Slopat
ScottR
me
Beicadad are you able to group our trees together for when I swing by to grab them?
Thank you again for organizing,
Kevin
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Is this still available to order?
Yes. thanks
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Alright, I'm officially the pick-up guy for Central Coast folks. If anyone else is holding back from the cennie coast get that order in! So far I'm picking up for:
SantaMaria9b
Slopat
ScottR
me
Beicadad are you able to group our trees together for when I swing by to grab them?
Thank you again for organizing,
Kevin
sure will group your trees. Please update the list once more people are added
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I would like to order one of each. Please provide the payment instruction. Thank you.
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I would like to order one of each. Please provide the payment instruction. Thank you.
Check on first page, all info is there.
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I have already sent the payment. Thank you.
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Just sent my payment. Made a booboo but the money is sent.
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Sorry for the flood of questions...
What is the shipping method for these from China? Do you know what the expected time is from the seller packaging the trees to when they clear US customs? Also, what terms did the seller agree to, e.g FOB, CIF, DDP, etc?
Just wondering if this question has been addressed yet?
I would like to know when the ETA would be for this order, just to make sure I can accommodate accordingly.
Thanks,
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seller is responsible for air shipping to the USDA inspection station. I will pick up the trees after it clears the custom.
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seller is responsible for shipping to the USDA inspection station. I will pick up the trees after it clears the custom.
I don’t want to pile on here, but that did not answer the question. Unless seller has stated to you that the plants will be shipped air freight, we all threw away a lot of money. With the shipping delays that are currently occurring at the CA ports it could possibly take months to receive this order.
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seller is responsible for shipping to the USDA inspection station. I will pick up the trees after it clears the custom.
I don’t want to pile on here, but hat did not answer the question. Unless seller has stated to you that the plants will be shipped air freight, we all threw away a lot of money. With he shipping delays that are currently occurring at the CA ports it could possibly take months to receive this order.
Yep, lots of container ships sitting off the coast outside the port of Los Angeles since the pandemic, the line of ships was stretching into Huntington Beach last week, that’s approx 15-20 miles from the port.
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seller is responsible for shipping to the USDA inspection station. I will pick up the trees after it clears the custom.
I don’t want to pile on here, but that did not answer the question. Unless seller has stated to you that the plants will be shipped air freight, we all threw away a lot of money. With the shipping delays that are currently occurring at the CA ports it could possibly take months to receive this order.
I was speaking with beicadad about shipping method, and he confirmed it is via air, which is the fastest option.
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In his first post he mentioned it would take around 2 weeks from shipment to delivery and pick up at USDA station - so it sounds like should roughly plan for delivery the week of April 26th. Hopefully we can get a more dialed in date as the order progresses.
Either way, I am really stoked on this whole thing and our TFF community coming together for this. Thank you Beicadad for leading the charge.
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I'd be in for 6. I am in San Diego.
Richard, can I buy you an additional 2 plants to care for so I can get scions from them? No problem if they don’t make it for any reason.
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seller is responsible for shipping to the USDA inspection station. I will pick up the trees after it clears the custom.
I don’t want to pile on here, but that did not answer the question. Unless seller has stated to you that the plants will be shipped air freight, we all threw away a lot of money. With the shipping delays that are currently occurring at the CA ports it could possibly take months to receive this order.
Yes it's air shipping.
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In his first post he mentioned it would take around 2 weeks from shipment to delivery and pick up at USDA station - so it sounds like should roughly plan for delivery the week of April 26th. Hopefully we can get a more dialed in date as the order progresses.
Either way, I am really stoked on this whole thing and our TFF community coming together for this. Thank you Beicadad for leading the charge.
Hear, hear! Thank you Beicadad for all your work researching and coordinating this.
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Yes indeed, thank you very much Beicaded for putting this order in and doing all the work to make it happen very much appreciated at this end ;D 8)
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Thanks to all for clarifying the subject matter.
Sounds good! 👍
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Have the trees been ordered? Thanks
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Have the trees been ordered? Thanks
Not yet. Since I got these shipping questions I am pushing seller to add a term to protect us (such as tree conditions upon arrival. I will update ASAP.
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Update 4/7: It's taken a bit longer to add a term on the tree condition. Finally the seller accepted it. Expect the contract to be signed and first payment to be sent on 4/8. You can still join at this point. Thank you for your patience!
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Great weather next 9 days so ship ASAP.
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If it’s not too late, I’d order
Dongkui
Black Peak
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sure please send payment instructions in the first post. Ok use friend and family option. Thanks
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Update 4/8: the deposit was sent to the seller today. The seller is now preparing the trees and and will apply for phyto certificate. It takes 7-10 days to get documents ready for air shipping.
I ordered a few extras, so you may still join and send payment (very limited QTY though).
- For everyone who ordered, please double check your QTY and varieties, and double check who will pick up the trees for you if you can't come
- For those in Socal but not in San Diego (such as Los Angeles, Irvine, Riverside), please consider consolidate order pickup to save yourself a trip.
- For those in Bay Area, CA central coast, I believe nattyfroootz will pick up the trees. Please double check.
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are you shipping to hawaii?
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I believe K-rimes is picking up for people on the Central Coast, yeah?
I'll be picking up plants for people on the way northern end of the Central Coast (Monterey Bay Area) and SF Bay Area. Please reach out to me if you want me to get your plants. I believe everyone has reached out except knlim.
Nate
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Its going to be a long 10 - 14 days
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I believe K-rimes is picking up for people on the Central Coast, yeah?
I'll be picking up plants for people on the way northern end of the Central Coast (Monterey Bay Area) and SF Bay Area. Please reach out to me if you want me to get your plants. I believe everyone has reached out except knlim.
Nate
Indeed, I am the Central Coast man for the job. The F350 will roll!
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Is it too late for people in FL to get in? I'd like 2 of each.
Edit: I'm in Jacksonville, Florida, but can travel to Central/South FL.
Edit 2: Just saw it is limited to CA :-( Would love to join (or join another order) if we can get some to FL.
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Hi there. Is it too late to jump in on the order? Ideally I'd take 2 of each. I'm in orange.
Khaled
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Is there a list of the people who volunteered to pickup the orders for each area?
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Hi
i am in New Orleans
if its not too late to order, i would love to get 2 plants
not real picky about which ones, but i usually like black fruit over reds.
let me know if its possible, and if it can be mailed to New Orleans ??
thanks
brad.team8@gmail.com
504-905-1681
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Edit: not taking new orders now.
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are you shipping to hawaii?
Sorry not at this point.
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Seller booked air freight next week. I will provide an update when accurate time is available.
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Thanks for the update!
Simon
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Thanks for the update beicadad!
In regards to transportation, do you have any idea on how they will be coming into the US? Will the roots be bagged, in a medium to keep them moist, or will it be a bundle of sticks and roots as is commonly seen in bare root stone fruit distributors?
K-rimes and I have been talking about the best way to transport them. I don't have a truck shell, but I have a tarp and a cargo net that I frequnetly used to transplant plants on freeways to my farm. I am thinking I will load the plants in and cover the roots with how ever many bags of potting soil (that I'll later use for potting up) necessary, watering it in slightly and getting on my way back to the Bay Area. Any thoughts are appreciated.
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I’m planning on putting the trees in a plastic bag.
Fill a few inches of water.
Tie the bag.
Put in a bucket to keep bag upright.
Trees probably ready to plant by the time I get home.
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Seller said the roots are wrapped in something to keep them moist.
OK the trees will arrive Thursday evening - not a great timing as it takes time to get an appointment with USDA. It means that likely the trees won't be cleared by UDSA before Monday. I am working with a customers broker to get the trees ASAP.
I spent a lot of time dealing with the seller/different customs brokers and even USDA back and forth... lots of lessons learned...
Sorry for lack of more frequent updates. The process is very stressful (many steps could go wrong) as it involves so many peoples' hope and money. I hope for the best and will keep you updated.
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cool weather this week so they should be ok.
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Seller said the roots are wrapped in something to keep them moist.
OK the trees will arrive Thursday evening - not a great timing as it takes time to get an appointment with USDA. It means that likely the trees won't be cleared by UDSA before Monday. I am working with a customers broker to get the trees ASAP.
I spent a lot of time dealing with the seller/different customs brokers and even USDA back and forth... lots of lessons learned...
Sorry for lack of more frequent updates. The process is very stressful (many steps could go wrong) as it involves so many peoples' hope and money. I hope for the best and will keep you updated.
Thank you for all your efforts!
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Seller said the roots are wrapped in something to keep them moist.
OK the trees will arrive Thursday evening - not a great timing as it takes time to get an appointment with USDA. It means that likely the trees won't be cleared by UDSA before Monday. I am working with a customers broker to get the trees ASAP.
I spent a lot of time dealing with the seller/different customs brokers and even USDA back and forth... lots of lessons learned...
Sorry for lack of more frequent updates. The process is very stressful (many steps could go wrong) as it involves so many peoples' hope and money. I hope for the best and will keep you updated.
Thanks beicadad!
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Thanks for the update and all your hard work! There’s great cooler weather this week so hopefully the trees will be ok!
Simon
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arZdeg_fL-I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arZdeg_fL-I)
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Seller said the roots are wrapped in something to keep them moist.
OK the trees will arrive Thursday evening - not a great timing as it takes time to get an appointment with USDA. It means that likely the trees won't be cleared by UDSA before Monday. I am working with a customers broker to get the trees ASAP.
I spent a lot of time dealing with the seller/different customs brokers and even USDA back and forth... lots of lessons learned...
Sorry for lack of more frequent updates. The process is very stressful (many steps could go wrong) as it involves so many peoples' hope and money. I hope for the best and will keep you updated.
Should I plan to come down on Monday, then? I am the gopher for Central Coast and SF area so I really want to be there as quickly as possible for everyone (same vibe as you have for all of us)
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I am trying to get an appointment with USDA tomorrow night to avoid the weekend delay. There is $300 afterhours charge by USDA but I think it's worth it. If successful the plants will be ready for pickup by Saturday...
If not, Monday will be the earliest date to get the plants from USDA.
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Thanks for all your hard work. Also let us know if you need any extra to cover the $300 charge -I would be happy to chip in for it.
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$1.50 extra for each plant is worth it.
Saturday pick up is great.
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Ok broker said I got an inspection appointment tomorrow night. It will be late night when I get the plants home. Hoping for a smooth inspection. You should plan for pickup on Saturday. I will send pickup instructions tomorrow night after getting the plants. Anyone know how to send group msg? Separate username by , or ;?
As to the cost, I am asking the seller to cover it since he did make a mistake that caused some delay.
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Ok broker said I got an inspection appointment tomorrow night. It will be late night when I get the plants home. Hoping for a smooth inspection. You should plan for pickup on Saturday. I will send pickup instructions tomorrow night after getting the plants. Anyone know how to send group msg? Separate username by , or ;?
As to the cost, I am asking the seller to cover it since he did make a mistake that caused some delay.
Awesome! Thanks for going to bat for us on that. I will plan for Saturday.
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Hey beicadad, thanks for all your yard work and definitely let us know if the seller won’t cover the extra $300. I’m crossing my fingers that these trees will be in good shape but I do realize that these trees are extremely difficult to keep alive.
Simon
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Ok broker said I got an inspection appointment tomorrow night. It will be late night when I get the plants home. Hoping for a smooth inspection. You should plan for pickup on Saturday. I will send pickup instructions tomorrow night after getting the plants. Anyone know how to send group msg? Separate username by , or ;?
As to the cost, I am asking the seller to cover it since he did make a mistake that caused some delay.
seperate names by , but theres ab10 person limit on sending messages.
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Additionally, the PM system isn’t really working right now. Only 1/2 my sent messages are reported as received. Email will probably be better
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Thanks Beicadad for all the work you put in.
I have not received any confirmation whether the pick up of plants is for tomorrow. I hope I have not missed email or message. I will keep checking this post for updates.
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OK i will send emails. Expect pickup tomorrow. I will send instructions later tonight via email.
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Who is the pickup for Los Angeles orders?
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I am at USDA. Really bad news - they found insects and the plants are on hold.
They will check on Monday if they need to be fumigated- if so the plants may be released by Tuesday. $600 extra charge.
If no fumigation needed, the plants will be released on Monday.
The only comfort I find is that the trees are in USDA facility which has AC.
So no pickup tomorrow. I wish I had better news.
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Ok, thanks for the update. It is what it is so I’m just hoping for the best outcome. We definitely don’t want to be spreading bugs around.
Simon
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Thank you Ken. I wonder what kind of bugs? You stated the final 20% of the payment would be sent to the seller after the trees have arrived in good condition. Bugs don’t sound like good condition to me...Since bugs were found, will you be sending the additional 20%?
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It would be interesting to hear if they showed these bugs and what they are or if the recipient is expected to just take their word and pay the fee. I'm a skeptic.
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Thank you Ken. I wonder what kind of bugs? You stated the final 20% of the payment would be sent to the seller after the trees have arrived in good condition. Bugs don’t sound like good condition to me...Since bugs were found, will you be sending the additional 20%?
Of course not
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Definitely do not want any new insect species here
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According to my broker, USDA can’t identify the bug yet and will identify on Monday. Depending on type of bugs, the trees could be released immediately or after fumigation.
According to broker, the trees don’t have disease so won’t be destroyed.
Hoping for the best
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Fingers crossed! In any event, thank you so much beicadad, I know coordinating this has been a lot of work and stress. Regardless of the outcome, I am really grateful to you for that!
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Thanks beicadad, for going through this hassle hopefully everything will turn out fine!
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You have to mix in frankia bacteria into the soil for the plants to survive. And use the proper shade cloth
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You have to mix in frankia bacteria into the soil for the plants to survive. And use the proper shade cloth
Where can we find Frank’s Bacteria for sale? Do you know if the strains of Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria used on beans would work? Thanks for the suggestion! Also, do you have any literature you might be able to point us to?
Simon
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You have to mix in frankia bacteria into the soil for the plants to survive. And use the proper shade cloth
Where can we find Frank’s Bacteria for sale? Do you know if the strains of Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria used on beans would work? Thanks for the suggestion! Also, do you have any literature you might be able to point us to?
Simon
I was looking for it and I found this. I don’t know if it’s the same bacteria but it’s also a nitrogen fixing bacteria. Is he suggesting it or is he saying it’s required?
https://growgeneration.com/blacksmith-bioscience-nitryx-nitrogen-fixing-bacteria-16-oz-1-lb-12-cs.html (https://growgeneration.com/blacksmith-bioscience-nitryx-nitrogen-fixing-bacteria-16-oz-1-lb-12-cs.html)
And
https://www.xtreme-gardening.com/azos (https://www.xtreme-gardening.com/azos)
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You have to mix in frankia bacteria into the soil for the plants to survive. And use the proper shade cloth
Where can we find Frank’s Bacteria for sale? Do you know if the strains of Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria used on beans would work? Thanks for the suggestion! Also, do you have any literature you might be able to point us to?
Simon
I was looking for it and I found this. I don’t know if it’s the same bacteria but it’s also a nitrogen fixing bacteria. Is he suggesting it or is he saying it’s required?
https://growgeneration.com/blacksmith-bioscience-nitryx-nitrogen-fixing-bacteria-16-oz-1-lb-12-cs.html (https://growgeneration.com/blacksmith-bioscience-nitryx-nitrogen-fixing-bacteria-16-oz-1-lb-12-cs.html)
And
https://www.xtreme-gardening.com/azos (https://www.xtreme-gardening.com/azos)
I doubt either of the above products would provide the desired benefit since they don’t have any strains of Frankia.
Apparently M. Rubra is fairly promiscuous in which Frankia it forms a symbiotic relationship with. https://www.jstor.org/stable/42951529?seq=1. (https://www.jstor.org/stable/42951529?seq=1.) Some Myrica species are more narrowly associated with specific Frankia strains. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8048284_Molecular_phylogeny_of_Myricaceae_A_reexamination_of_host-symbiont_specificity (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8048284_Molecular_phylogeny_of_Myricaceae_A_reexamination_of_host-symbiont_specificity)
I plan to just add some native soil to my mix, but if you could fine another myrica specimen and make a solution from it’s root nodules, that’d your best bet.
That being said, would inoculation be necessary for optimal results? Yeah, probably. Will the plants die without it? That seems like a leap too far. I recommend just using a fertilizer with some available nitrogen and not overthinking it.
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Yeah in a dream world our soil would be innoculated but the plants do not have an obligate association with Frankia spp.
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Lately I've been adding liquid beneficial root enzymes and bacteria into my new plantings along with plentiful humic acids and seeing phenomenal root and plant growth since doing so - I plan to do the same thing with my yangmeis. I would imagine that frankia is the best native option, but I could foresee having something comparable commercially here. The cannabis grower industry has this down to literal science.
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Gonna throw some beneficial mycorrhizae fungus on mine
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Lately I've been adding liquid beneficial root enzymes and bacteria into my new plantings along with plentiful humic acids and seeing phenomenal root and plant growth since doing so - I plan to do the same thing with my yangmeis. I would imagine that frankia is the best native option, but I could foresee having something comparable commercially here. The cannabis grower industry has this down to literal science.
Nice, thx for sharing. What product do you use for your liquid beneficial root enzymes and bacteria?
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The suspense!
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Lately I've been adding liquid beneficial root enzymes and bacteria into my new plantings along with plentiful humic acids and seeing phenomenal root and plant growth since doing so - I plan to do the same thing with my yangmeis. I would imagine that frankia is the best native option, but I could foresee having something comparable commercially here. The cannabis grower industry has this down to literal science.
Nice, thx for sharing. What product do you use for your liquid beneficial root enzymes and bacteria?
I'm using Down to Earth humic acid, and azomite, super cheap like $9 for 5lb of the stuff at grow stores. I'm experimenting with Voodoo Juice and Piranha from Advanced Nutrients - they are not cheap, $30 a quart or something, but the half dose of 1tsp per 2.5 gallon of water is doing the job. When I've pulled my plants for up-potting the root growth is impressive, hairy white. I am also experimenting with Advanced Nutrients for indoor growing and yeah, the stuff just plain works better than other brands.
For certain plants, like jaboticaba, I'm willing to spend a bit of extra money to hasten their root development when young and hopefully build them up for future success. I tried some jabos with and some without to see if it really works and it does change the root color (pure white tips), and amount of feeder roots (hairs) and up top the plant just thrives. I have a red jabo that I treat hardest with it that is the same age as my others and has a 1/4" trunk about the size of a pencil and the others are barely 1/16". Obviously genetics plays some part of this too, but, all the same batch of seeds and the only change I made was utilizing these products. The indoor grow though, because it's such a short plant life, is really demonstrative.
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All right UDSA said the plants can be released after fumigation ($600 at a third party). Should be ready for pickup by tomorrow evening. So please be prepared for Wednesday pickup.
Please send an email to beicadad4533@gmail.com with your forum username so that I can email you pickup instructions. The forum msg system is not easy to use. Thanks.
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Great!
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Any word on condition of the plants?
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I can’t pick up until Wednesday afternoon.
Anyone in OC picking up Wednesday morning?
Would you pick up my 2 trees too?
Sean.
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Any word on condition of the plants?
just asked again - "still alive". I sure hope so!
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I am planning to head down bright and early on Wednesday to pick them up for Bay area and Central coast folks. Probably will make it down there around 11am-1pm or so I hope to be back later in the evening around 6-7pm depending on traffic. It's a grind to get down and back to SD through LA traffic.
If everyone can arrange for pick up at my place then, that would be great. PM me for my number / address if needed!
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Who is picking up Los Angeles orders? I’ll pay for gas
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Any word on condition of the plants?
just asked again - "still alive". I sure hope so!
Green is a good sign!
Hopefully they can mist them with water, not just pesticide.
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You local buyers pick plants up yet?
Pic?
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I just sent pickup direction for tomorrow (Wednesday) via email.
The plants are in good shape. They are more or less the same.
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Wonderful news Ken! Great job in pulling this off. Very kind of you. Will be exciting to see what these trees do.
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Picked up my trees last night. These are bunch better quality than the previous group buy that was done years back. I grabbed random plants from the barrels and when potting them up I noticed that half of them already had new roots starting to grow out!
Excellent work Ken, and thanks for everything you put into it
Cheers,
Richard
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Should we start a separate post aboit the journey and techniques to keeping these trees alive.
Is a shaded greenhouse a good idea? Are night time lows still too cold?
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I am also very happy with the quality of the trees. These should start pushing new root growth with a little TLC.
In the meantime, here is the main reference I’m using for how to care for these trees. It’s a study done by the Australian government back in ‘05. https://www.agrifutures.com.au/wp-content/uploads/publications/05-081.pdf (https://www.agrifutures.com.au/wp-content/uploads/publications/05-081.pdf)
Also interesting is another study on stimulating root growth in cuttings for these https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6663/40c9389598dead45f186ef42a56dcab8d312.pdf?_ga=2.215529879.1491570547.1619585891-2061660700.1619585891 (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6663/40c9389598dead45f186ef42a56dcab8d312.pdf?_ga=2.215529879.1491570547.1619585891-2061660700.1619585891)
I soaked mine for an hour in a mix of water, FF boomerang, superthrive (for the NAA), and takeroot (For the IBA, see above article). They were then transplanted to a peat/sand/pumice based medium in the shade with a vented humidity dome (trash bag, ha!)
I’m excited to hear everyone’s progress!
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What size did the tree's end up being?
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Hi guys, I am very happy for all of you,you have done a great job! I followed this topic and held my fists so that you could succeed. Now just grow it and remember what path was passed!
In the south of Russia, Myrica Rubra grows and I can collect seeds in the fall,if someone is interested in it, I prefer to exchange rather than sell. Good luck to everyone! 8)
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On ScottR's suggestion, I searched the forum earlier and found the neat thread about a previous Yangmei GB and lessons learned!
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=290.0
Pat.
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Here's a picture of the bare-root trees for those inquiring. Thanks again, Ken - you the man!
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Thank you so much for all the hard work Ken!
I know you are trying to get the seller to cover some of the additional costs but please let us know if it doesn’t work out. I know you had to pay a lot extra for the fumigation, transportation and inspections. Several members approached me and said they wanted to chip in.
I think it’s most fair to split the additional costs if you can’t get the seller to pay.
I don’t want to be a downer but all my trees are lacking leaves except for my Biqi. The other varieties do have some green branches and what appears to be the beginnings of buds so this is a good sign.
I’ve re read all the information and it appears that using good quality rain/RO water is very important and keeping the plants out of direct sunlight is a must. Increasing the humidity is extremely important and if we are so lucky enough to get these trees to push new growth, the trees should still be kept out of direct sun until the root mass is very large and even then, shade cloth may be required in hotter or drier climates.
Simon
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Thanks guys for the kind words - it means a lot to me. At a few occasions I regretted doing it since I hit one issue after another and I wondered if I will ever see the plants, or if the plants will be still alive after arrival.
As to the cost, hopefully I will settle with the seller since the extra cost was due to his fault.
A member decided not to keep the plants so I have some leftovers. For original group buyers, the price is still $55 each. For new buyers, please refer to the price below (as lots of risks are now removed and trees are in good shape)
Dongkui: 1 left. $55 each. they come with less roots compared but are still alive.
Black Peak: 2 left. $65 each
An Hai: 6 left. $75 each
Biqi: all gone!
Minimum two trees per order. First come first serve. Please send payment ($55/tree) to beicadad4533@gmail.com via Paypal and use friends and family option, Please include your forum username with the payment
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Hello -
I've just now forwarded payment for (1) Dongkui and (1) Black Peak. One small detail that I overlooked in my Paypal note - my user name info to correlate with my order. Here it is:
Chris Coughlin - AKA Pedroboy
surfshaq@gmail.com - in case the PM system is still hit/miss.
I saw in the ongoing correspondence for the trees that Nate ('Nattyfrootz') was handling the Norcal group pickup.
LMK if there are any changes/problems - I do have Nate's contact info for followup
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Payment sent for 2 Dongkui. Thanks for making them available.
JC
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Hello -
I've just now forwarded payment for (1) Dongkui and (1) Black Peak. One small detail that I overlooked in my Paypal note - my user name info to correlate with my order. Here it is:
Chris Coughlin - AKA Pedroboy
surfshaq@gmail.com - in case the PM system is still hit/miss.
I saw in the ongoing correspondence for the trees that Nate ('Nattyfrootz') was handling the Norcal group pickup.
LMK if there are any changes/problems - I do have Nate's contact info for followup
Sorry the Bay Area pick up is done...
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Sorry for the misunderstanding - I wasn't sure when the Bay Area pickup was taking place.
I don't wish to complicate things, but if any LA based buyers come forward for the remainder of your trees, is there any chance you could still honor my purchase and I could connect with that third party - maybe in a week's time? I have family in South Bay LA and could probably make the trip within a week. Just a thought - no worries if that can't happen.
Thanks again,
Chris
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Chris, send me an email. I got you
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Update:
Dongkui: 1 left. $55 each. they come with less roots compared but are still alive.
Black Peak: 2 left. $65 each
An Hai: 6 left. $75 each
Biqi: all gone!
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Update:
Dongkui: 0 left. $55 each. they come with less roots compared but are still alive.
Black Peak: 1 left. $65 each
An Hai: 6 left. $75 each
Biqi: all gone!
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Big thanks to Ken for going through all the hassles to make this order happen I got my tree's yesterday from Kevin who picked up for my area.
Big thanks to Kevin, for doing the long trip down and back to pick our tree's
Also, nice to meet forum member in person and talk a little. Got to meet Nattyfroootz too at Kevin's since I'm and old fart it's nice to meet young enthusiastic rare fruit growers!! 8)
Also in my area got to meet Slopat and Santa Maria9b who came and picked up there tree's at my place 8)
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Sent Paypal for 1 black peak and 1 An Hai
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Big thanks to Ken for going through all the hassles to make this order happen I got my tree's yesterday from Kevin who picked up for my area.
Big thanks to Kevin, for doing the long trip down and back to pick our tree's
Also, nice to meet forum member in person and talk a little. Got to meet Nattyfroootz too at Kevin's since I'm and old fart it's nice to meet young enthusiastic rare fruit growers!! 8)
Also in my area got to meet Slopat and Santa Maria9b who came and picked up there tree's at my place 8)
Indeed, huge thanks to Ken for being so kind to arrange this for all of us. The trees looked healthy and I think we'll all have success here. Mine are in the greenhouse in a shady spot and I keep spraying it down with water every few hours to keep humidity up.
Really nice to meet everyone I did through this group buy and I'm looking forward to seeing everyone's trees thrive.
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Potted
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Bagged and hidden
A month is enough?
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Only 4 An Hai's are available. If not picked up by this weekend I will pot them up and keep them.
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Potted
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Bagged and hidden
A month is enough?
Looking good! I would only recommend to put some air holes in the bags or loosely open them up so that they get some fresh air exchange. I've run into mold issues on the soil surface when humidity is too high
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I keep going back and forth about putting them on a seedling heating mat to stimulate those roots a bit. I put them on one last night and the temp in the soil this morning was 73. What do you guys think? Anyone using a heat mat? Also, did anyone put rooting hormone on the roots? Wishing everyone the best of luck with their trees.
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I keep going back and forth about putting them on a seedling heating mat to stimulate those roots a bit. I put them on one last night and the temp in the soil this morning was 73. What do you guys think? Anyone using a heat mat? Also, did anyone put rooting hormone on the roots? Wishing everyone the best of luck with their trees.
I thought about this too. It's really warm outside now and especially in my greenhouse so I'll try it without first. They were growing snowy white roots just sitting in water at Ken's house so I feel like they're going to build out pretty quick.
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+1 to Ken, K-Rimes, ScottR, and this forum.
Most smooth and incredible Group Buy of anything I've experienced!
I only had a peek at ScottRs yard but definitely looking forward to this COVID business being taken care of so as Kevin said, see how the trees progress. Also for CRFG and other tour visits startup again. One more shot to go!
Pat
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+1 to Ken, K-Rimes, ScottR, and this forum.
Most smooth and incredible Group Buy of anything I've experienced!
I only had a peek at ScottRs yard but definitely looking forward to this COVID business being taken care of so as Kevin said, see how the trees progress. Also for CRFG and other tour visits startup again. One more shot to go!
Pat
It was awesome having some TFF people over at my place yesterday. We all have cool stuff to talk about and are just excited about growing - really nice people every single time. I'm waiting for one more shot I'll get in Santa Maria and I'm stoked to get out there with everyone. Can't wait to host a CRFG meeting here one day.
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I’m surprised there’s any Black Peak left. It’s the largest fruit and supposedly one of the best according to the nursery
http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm (http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm)
Never mind, that last BlackPeak went fast, only An Hai left!
Simon
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Potted
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Bagged and hidden
A month is enough?
I would suggest planting in the smallest pot that will hold all the roots. A #1 pot fir the smaller plants and #2 pot for the larger ones. I recommend this due to the perched water table. It will be easier to control the soil moisture.
Simon
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trees are all gone!
Thanks to everyone who participated and offered advice - you guys have been so patient - truly the best group of people. Good luck growing them!
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Nice work Ken. Beautiful job and thank you!
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Thank you Ken for all the efforts and time spent!
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You ROCK Ken! Very cool of you to make this happen. You've made a lot of people happy, and have earned your place in the annals of fruit history. Yangmei may now spread in the US. I salute you.
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I've been following this thread since the beginning and join in applauding beicadad for making it happen!
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I recommend this due to the perched water table. It will be easier to control the soil moisture.
Simon
I’ve grown seedlings. The biggest seedlings are from biggest pots.
That’s why I use #7 for these big trees.
My pots have vapor blocking at top and anti-perching near the bottom.
Those extra holes above the bottom holes help to dry out the bottom layer of potting soil.
The dry bottom potting soil is homogeneous with the top potting soil so it soak up the water above.
It’s not the same as putting rocks in the bottom of a pot.
Try it.
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I like the holes in the lower parts of the pots, seems like some things that don't like sitting in excess water would enjoy that.
Thanks again for all your work on making this happen! And to K-rimes for making it down to San Diego for the Norcal Group. Most people are picking up their plants this saturday and everyone should have their plants by that point. Most of the plants look good! I broke a graft and was wondering how they grafted it. Does it look like an approach graft to anyone else, or a peeling the bark back graft?
BIQI definitely look like the healthiest of the bunch.
Thanks again!
Nate
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I recommend this due to the perched water table. It will be easier to control the soil moisture.
Simon
I’ve grown seedlings. The biggest seedlings are from biggest pots.
That’s why I use #7 for these big trees.
My pots have vapor blocking at top and anti-perching near the bottom.
Those extra holes above the bottom holes help to dry out the bottom layer of potting soil.
The dry bottom potting soil is homogeneous with the top potting soil so it soak up the water above.
It’s not the same as putting rocks in the bottom of a pot.
Try it.
For seedlings, it’s a completely different story, you want the taproot to extend down and taller tree pots are preferred. I’ve done lots of experiments with mangos, cherimoyas and avocados.
It sounds like you know what you are doing and I wish everyone that their trees will make it, one team, one dream.
Growing Yangmei is new to most of us and from the previous posts, they do not like transplanting. Since you planted in a big pot, your plant will not require transplanting which may be a bonus.
It is good that we all try our own techniques so that we can figure out what actually works and what doesn’t.
If my trees survive, I will try to gradually up pot them into larger root pruning containers as described by Dr. Carl Whitcomb.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_lkDLSPWZd0&t=3000s
Simon
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i used 1 gal pots and a baggie. plants are in the garage under grow lights.
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I highly recommend my friend Brad . Superb packing.
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I think the anti-perching holes on the side are genius. But when you say "vapor block" on the top, are you referring to those tiles I can see in your photo? Does it matter if they are glazed or unglazed (assuming they are actually tiles)?
Like many in this thread, I am going nuts trying to figure out what to do with these yang mei trees. I only have two and don't want to kill them. Out of desperation, as soon as I got them yesterday, I soaked them for a couple of hours in filtered water, then potted them up with cactus mix lightened with perlite. With further research I suspect I may be moving them to something more, um, sterile. I know some of the SoCal crew are going with horticultural sand, horticultural charcoal and rice hulls or vermiculite; but I don't know if that is just to get the little guys over their jet lag or what.
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So excited to get a chance to grow these. I really enjoyed meeting all of you and talking nerdy plant stuff. I am a big believer in Gary matsuoko from Laguna hills nursery and going to try and use his potting mix to get these yangmei going. I am hoping to give the frankia already living in the roots the best chance and go with a sterile growing medium and feeds
Nutrients from top down. Really interested to hear of everyone’s successes!
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I find soil less mediums are useful for certain things, but it can be really hard to control the nutrition precisely - especially what the trees want to build roots. I'm using Fox Farm Ocean forest mixed about 3:1 with ProMix BH. It's my go to for all my sensitive plants like jaboticaba or eugenias and has been really good for rooting stuff thus far, so, I'mma stick with it.
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Just finished planting my 2 Dongkui and 2 An Hai in 5 gal rootmaker pots. I used Pro-Mix mixed with pumice and bio-char. I am keeping them in loft with plenty of indirect lighting. Also added a humidifier for humidity, I have to add water every 2 days or so until I buy a bigger unit. Hoping for the best and thanks to Ken again for making this happen.
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Hello K-Rimes,
The bag traps water vapor.
It’s not air tight.
I use friend’s Fox Farm Ocean Forest when I up pot trees for him.
It seems to be an excellent potting mix.
I add more pumice only.
I’m using MG because it’s easy to buy.
Hello ronke47,
Any solid materials would do.
I’m using 4”x4” ceramic tiles because they $0.72/sf
They are 8 pennies a piece at HD.
I’m using 2x4, 4x4, 3x6, and others.
The smaller ones are more $.
Adding mulch will trap vapor too but it’s hard to keep mulch away from trunk, for trees in small pots.
Potting soil below tile will be damp days after watering.
Rootmaker sell RootCaps but I haven’t bought any.
I’m trying to emulate in-ground with dry bottom wet top.
Hello simon_grow,
I’ve used Air-pot and RootBuilder.
I’ve no success with them.
Either I don’t know how to use them or air too dry here for them.
Good luck with your trial.
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Kang let us know if you need money for the government fees
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Kang let us know if you need money for the government fees
yes! I am happy to pitch in as well.
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Kang let us know if you need money for the government fees
Thanks Brad. No I settled with the seller. I’m covered.
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Thanks Ken for the Yangmei. I picked up some extra plants he had, not sure if they will make it but my trip to his place was well worth it.
I got to meet him in person and see his fruit trees. I'm really impressed with the loquats he has, the nicest looking, very big fruited trees. His trees are not that large but his fruits are huge and look super clean. He gave me a Shorepointe loquat so when I got home, did a quick taste test with my top 2 loquats and his was number 3 (still very good taste).
In addition to picking up my plants, Ken gave me heads up on picking up some myrica californica at a nearby nursery. I had to walk a little with my crutch (60 acre nursery) to find the plant but they have super great prices ( 1 gallon plants $6.50) and very big, so I had to buy 8 of them.
Thanks again Ken.
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Are you planning to graft yangmei on m. californica?
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yes, I was told they should be compatible. I know nothing about the Yangmei or myrica californica but sounded like a fun project to join in. I plan to take a small cutting from each one I bought and graft onto these healthy guys.
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Wow Kaz, nice tree's you got hope you have luck grafting them keep us posted on results!
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kaz and kang, what part of the nursery were the californica plants in? When youdrive in which way did you go?
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kaz and kang, what part of the nursery were the californica plants in? When youdrive in which way did you go?
I think it’s all the way to the upper left corner. The most unnoticeable place in the nursery.
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Thanks Ken for the Yangmei. I picked up some extra plants he had, not sure if they will make it but my trip to his place was well worth it.
I got to meet him in person and see his fruit trees. I'm really impressed with the loquats he has, the nicest looking, very big fruited trees. His trees are not that large but his fruits are huge and look super clean. He gave me a Shorepointe loquat so when I got home, did a quick taste test with my top 2 loquats and his was number 3 (still very good taste).
In addition to picking up my plants, Ken gave me heads up on picking up some myrica californica at a nearby nursery. I had to walk a little with my crutch (60 acre nursery) to find the plant but they have super great prices ( 1 gallon plants $6.50) and very big, so I had to buy 8 of them.
Thanks again Ken.
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Hi Kaz, it was nice to meet you in person. I forgot to tell you that you could drive within the nursery so you don’t have to walk.
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Please keep us posted on your progress.
Wondering if there is a good rootstock for us here in humid SoFL?
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Please keep us posted on your progress.
Wondering if there is a good rootstock for us here in humid SoFL?
Myrica cerifera
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Brad, if it's ok to post the nursery diagram they gave me here then I can mark exactly where in their lot it is. Otherwise if its not allowed then send a PM and I will can send you their map with "X-marks the spot". The still have about 20-30 plants left (all about 3ft tall).
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Only a couple of my trees have leaves, and when I say leaves, I mean one, tiny, little half leaf, probably not even enough for an appetizer for a caterpillar...Not sure how the trees without leaves will find enough chlorophyll to stimulate any kind growth? I think the best route for the ones without leaves is to graft onto myrica Californica, which I will be doing. I also believe this is how the guy from Calmei got his first tree going. I have a few extra myrica californica in 1 gallon pots if anyone needs some, local pick up only in Fountain Valley.
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FV Fruit Freak, I have few to no leaves on mine. That's why I think grafting them will save it.
Robert, I found some qince rootstock online for my loquats so I will be grafting some loquats onto these now.
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Only a couple of my trees have leaves, and when I say leaves, I mean one, tiny, little half leaf, probably not even enough for an appetizer for a caterpillar...Not sure how the trees without leaves will find enough chlorophyll to stimulate any kind growth? I think the best route for the ones without leaves is to graft onto myrica Californica, which I will be doing. I also believe this is how the guy from Calmei got his first tree going. I have a few extra myrica californica in 1 gallon pots if anyone needs some, local pick up only in Fountain Valley.
The plants, with roots, will have energy to put out growth. First step is establishing a new root system. They are angry to have no leaves or roots and will push out when they're recovered from their long trip - at least that's how I see plants that I massively defoliate or prune other species. My yangmei leaves, or what is left of them, are currently falling off.
I 100% defoliated a mango seedling I have just to see what happens and it's coming back strong after just a few weeks with lots of fresh healthy growth.
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I cut 2” back and still hit dead woods.
The roots looked fresh.
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Yes, I have similar result on one of them, but small section of the grafts are still good. One is very healthy, branches and all. Keeping my fingers crossed that grafts work on MC.
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Brad, here's the map. X-marks the spot.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Qx5cWf0X/myrica-californica-X-mark-location.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rKVDBCBb)
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Only a couple of my trees have leaves, and when I say leaves, I mean one, tiny, little half leaf, probably not even enough for an appetizer for a caterpillar...Not sure how the trees without leaves will find enough chlorophyll to stimulate any kind growth? I think the best route for the ones without leaves is to graft onto myrica Californica, which I will be doing. I also believe this is how the guy from Calmei got his first tree going. I have a few extra myrica californica in 1 gallon pots if anyone needs some, local pick up only in Fountain Valley.
I feel I should mention that Fang Liu has done many many yang mei grafts onto my myrica californica and even though some took and pushed leaves for over a year, they all ultimately and quite suddenly died. He reported to me this week that he had finally successfully grafted onto a myrica californica plant I had given him (his was still in the pot I think; mine in the ground) but I believe Yunfei Chen found grafting on East Coast bayberry was more successful than on our west coast version (so you folks in FLA may be in luck!) The article on Chen https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451 (https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451)also made it sound that he was grafting onto yang mei seedlings he had grown so who knows?
My Dong Kui does look pretty dead (the main root rotten, the bark cracked: but the Biqi's roots look good and I will think hopeful thoughts about both these little guys.
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Here's my logic on growing these bareroot plants.
If grafts takes on MC and grows for a year, that's that much more time to figure out the best rootstock to graft it again. Better than a dead tree now if roots do not form on some plants.
Ronke47, thanks for your feedback on the rootstock compatibility.
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I’m going to give this a shot too, as others have said, even if there isn’t a possibility for high long-term compatibility, it seems like a way to keep scionsood fresh for grafting ona more suitable rootstock.
For those curious, the nursery still had plenty of M. californica trees
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I also bought a californica today and grafted it up. It was by far the ugliest plant at the nursery in town and they laughed at me for buying it, but didn't know my important plan. I was able to get a few scions off the Anhai which is my healthiest one. The grafts were drying out / dying from the tip down so I cut down to healthy wood and then wrapped them up with grafting tape. It's all I can do.
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Curious..what is the tile for?
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Potted
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Bagged and hidden
A month is enough?
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The tiles block water vapor loss through the surface of the potting soil.
That pot is bagged so no need for the tiles.
I added then so I would not need to add later after I removed the bag.
One guy claimed 25%-30% water loss through the surface.
On wider pot the tiles cover up to 90% of surface.
They reduce water loss to 3%.
The best is plastic that cover the pot and tied to to trunk, 0 water loss.
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3” x 6” tiles in #15 pot.
All my pots have tiles.
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There’s an article in fungimag that lists myrica as a confirmed species with dual mychorrizal fungi associations (both endomychorizzal and ectomychorrizzal). I use mycogrow from fungi perfecti and the water soluble product from plant success organics with good results. I innocculated the roots before planting on all but two plants to keep as a control. I also added some native soil that was under a ceanothus which is known to have associations with frankia.
Best of luck to everyone,
Janet
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I gleaned some soil from under my Locust trees and Elaeagnus trees which has associations with frankia and screened into potting mix of peat moss and worm castings. Potted both trees up with bags over pot's to keep up mosture. Time will tell did some tip pruning back to healthy wood!
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Thanks Kaz, Kang came here for avocado tasting yesterday and donated me a rootstock to use so I dont have to drive all the way over to that nursery now.
Thanks for the tree Kang, thanks for making this happen.
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ok, good. Very nice of Ken.
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Anyone doing bottle graft or approach graft? Simon? Just tossing around ideas.
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I was noticing some dying back of the tips of the plants so I went ahead and clipped them all to graft onto some M. californica. I left rootstock & a bit of graft in most cases and plan to wrap those in tape. I'll probably just be doing cleft grafts.
I just got 4, 5 gallon M. californica to try and graft a few of each type onto. They are a pretty common tree in nurseries here in Northern california.
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I'm interested in 1 of the Dongkui.
I'm in Hawthorne near LAX. If still available
Bob
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I don’t want to jinx it but I think I see signs of life on my donqui
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Anyone doing bottle graft or approach graft? Simon? Just tossing around ideas.
Hey Fang, I plan on approach grafting onto M. Californicus but I’m going to wait until the grafted plants have fully recovered before attempting anything.
How is your plant from the first group buy doing? Do you have any advice for us?
Simon
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I don’t want to jinx it but I think I see signs of life on my donqui
That’s very promising, please keep us updated! I’m afraid to even look at my plants too long for fear that it will just up and die on me.
Simon
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Grafted what I could onto californicus. I do not hold out much hope at all for these grafts. Maybe the micro grafts... only one scion I took was decent and healthy looking (the smallest one)
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That looks good.
I removed more dead woods.
Only 2” long branches left.
No buds.
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i noticed theres no buds on any of the trees. the rootstocks from the local nursery, covered in new growth and buds.
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At the very tip of one of mine (it was dead) it had the same bud look as californicus. I don’t have much live wood left on the scions (has to cut back a lot) and the lower stuff wasn’t budding like the top, and then not all of them either - I think just biqi
Hoping for the grafts!
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I feel I should mention that Fang Liu has done many many yang mei grafts onto my myrica californica and even though some took and pushed leaves for over a year, they all ultimately and quite suddenly died. He reported to me this week that he had finally successfully grafted onto a myrica californica plant I had given him (his was still in the pot I think; mine in the ground) but I believe Yunfei Chen found grafting on East Coast bayberry was more successful than on our west coast version (so you folks in FLA may be in luck!) The article on Chen https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451 (https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451)also made it sound that he was grafting onto yang mei seedlings he had grown so who knows?
Lol, wax myrtles? Plenty of those around here if anyone wanted to trade something for Florida wax myrtle rootstocks. I might go ahead and start severing runners..
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I'm curious what the rootstocks of our plants are. One can assume yangmei, I guess. If our graft doesn't work on what we received... Maybe we will still get some yangmei if the root stock survives?
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Been following this from beginning. I was in on the first go around and unfortunately mine did not survive. Truly an incredible effort and I hope everyone has 100% success with your trees! Hey beicadad...you should write up your procedures, findings, conclusions from start to finish. Should make for one hell of a read! I'm sure it would be a good source for anyone else wanting to do something similar.
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Most of my smaller branches are completely dried out and dead. Some of the thicker branches are still partially green.
I found one bud sprouting from one of the rootstocks and I immediately pinched it off. I’m still hopeful that at least a few of us can keep these plants alive and hopefully fruit them.
Simon
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Simon, I would not have pinched off the only thing growing. Now your rootstock may not make it. If you left it alone at least you could see what type of rootstock they used if your Yangmei doesn't make it. I would wait until you see new bud growth on the original grafted branch before removing the rootstock buds.
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Simon, I would not have pinched off the only thing growing. Now your rootstock may not make it. If you left it alone at least you could see what type of rootstock they used if your Yangmei (graft) doesn't make it. I would wait until you see new bud growth on the grafted branch before removing the rootstock buds.
I'm pretty mean to my grafted plants and never let them grow anything below the graft union till it is fully established and growing well. It would be sad to not give the graft the energy it needs - but I admit that you probably have decades more experience than I do Kaz, so, maybe I'm wrong to do this.
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Oh, I thought he was talking about the actual Yangmei plant received, and not the rootstock (californicus.) of the newly grafted plants.
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Oh, I thought he was talking about the actual Yangmei plant received, and not the rootstock (californicus.) of the newly grafted plants.
I think Simon was referring to the rootstock of the Yangmei plant, not the m. californica.
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Hello, my plants are all still pliable and not dying back. I am considering wrapping some of them entirely in buddy tape. Just to seal in moisture and keep them going as long as possible. I will wait one more week then inspect the roots on 1 plant to see if the tree is trying to come back. They are being kept in the garage where the temperature is nearly always 70-80F and under weak grow lamp on 24/7
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I only have buds on BiQi. It is losing leaves but the branch stays green so far. Some buds seem to be swelling but not very sure yet. I did some grafting too. Too early to tell.
My setup is very primitive - a trash can with plastic cover. I open it up during the night and cover it during the day. Give it some spray a few times.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/G4DH7KPL/6-FB7-EDAA-32-F5-4-DE9-8-C41-10-C0-E2-EDFE55.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G4DH7KPL)
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Those buds look great, I think you're successful on keeping it alive!
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Thats looking promising!
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Simon, I would not have pinched off the only thing growing. Now your rootstock may not make it. If you left it alone at least you could see what type of rootstock they used if your Yangmei doesn't make it. I would wait until you see new bud growth on the original grafted branch before removing the rootstock buds.
The growth was coming from the rootstock of the Yangmei plants that we received from China. I’ve grafted many many plants as most forum members have seen from my various posts here and I highly recommend pinching back growths from the rootstock in order to focus the energy to the grafted scion which I want to push. Any energy given to the growth of the rootstock will equate to that much less available energy to the scion.
Simon
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I'm curious what the rootstocks of our plants are. One can assume yangmei, I guess. If our graft doesn't work on what we received... Maybe we will still get some yangmei if the root stock survives?
seller that the rootstocks are yangmei seedlings.
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I just want to reiterate that I’m in this for the long haul and I expect these plants to survive. I’m trying to grow the grafted Yangmei and not the rootstock variety even though the rootstock is very likely Yangmei seedlings.
The growth coming from my rootstock was from a tree with no leaves and with some of the skinny dead branches that I was talking about and the growth is a great sign that the tree has life in it. I want every chance for the scion to survive.
Based on my personal experience grafting over a thousand trees, removing growths from below the graft Union significantly increases the odds of the scion taking.
In this case with our Yangmei, the graft union is already completely healed over so the Union is formed. Any energy wasted on the rootstock will equate to a proportional loss of energy to the scion.
Yes, it was very difficult to pinch off the new growth from the rootstock but I’m trying to grow out the superior grafted variety and not just more rootstocks. We know very little about the growth of Yangmei and we should be patient with our plants and plan for success.
I’m sure others will eventually see growths from their rootstocks as well and it’s up to each individual to decide what they want to do but based on all the grafting experiments I’ve done, removing the growths below the graft union will give you the best success.
When I teach people how to graft, I tell them that the grafting is just 50% of the equation. The other 50% is the after care. If the grafting was good, the scion could still die because it was not protected during callous formation because it was exposed to sun, wasn’t wrapped properly or a multitude of other factors.
One of the major mistakes that grafters make is that they don’t keep up with post graft maintenance. Approximately 4-6 weeks after a graft is put on, the tree will often push new growth buds from below the graft union.
This is because the apical dominance was removed (for cleft grafts and many other types of grafts) when the branch was cut. For cherimoyas, you can have 8+ new branches that want to form really close to the graft union. I teach my friends to immediately rub off or remove the new growths as soon as they see them.
I like to have them imagine that every new rootstock branch that grows below the graft union will decrease the chances of a successful graft by about 5-10%. Of course I’m just making this up but at least they can have a figure to go by. If you don’t check up on your plants for a few weeks or a month and you discover that 5 branches are growing below the graft union and each branch it 1-2 inches long, you just lost that much energy from going into the grafted scion.
In the example above, I hope you can see why successful grafts can fail or die back.
When I do volunteer grafting, I usually visit the newly grafted tree every week or two for 1-2 months to do the follow up care which includes removing new growth from below the graft union.
Simon
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I've read all your stuff on mangoes and grafting Simon which is where I picked up the picking off of any new growth below the graft(s). My grafts have been seriously 100% since I followed some of your tips and some of Spaugh's on using flagging or nursery tape. I don't think I've had a single failed graft other than when I banged into them or something that was obviously my fault.
The other thing I find it helpful is, once the plant is happy and rooted, is giving it some nutrition. I really want to do this with the yangmei but will wait till I see it actively growing. I do see some signs of life on black peak and donqui now.
Maybe if only the rootstock survives, we can help some other members out with scions to restore them to their grafted type. If I get some success I am happy to help others.
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I've got a few hopeful buds on mine
(https://i.postimg.cc/q63dHt27/20210505-182428.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/q63dHt27)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hjqg42C8/20210505-182451.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hjqg42C8)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0BmdQXh/20210505-182632.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0BmdQXh)
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Bonsaibeast, that is looking very promising. Do you have your plants in full sun?
Simon
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I've read all your stuff on mangoes and grafting Simon which is where I picked up the picking off of any new growth below the graft(s). My grafts have been seriously 100% since I followed some of your tips and some of Spaugh's on using flagging or nursery tape. I don't think I've had a single failed graft other than when I banged into them or something that was obviously my fault.
The other thing I find it helpful is, once the plant is happy and rooted, is giving it some nutrition. I really want to do this with the yangmei but will wait till I see it actively growing. I do see some signs of life on black peak and donqui now.
Maybe if only the rootstock survives, we can help some other members out with scions to restore them to their grafted type. If I get some success I am happy to help others.
The literature seems to indicate that soaking the bare root trees in very mild fertilizer with perhaps a bit of hormone may benefit bare root trees. I soaked my plants in about 200-300ppm fertilizer prior to potting them. I soaked for only about 4 hours.
Simon
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I’ve got tiny new buds on my Biqi. I guess the prayers are working...
Thanks for all the updates and suggestions.
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I've got a few hopeful buds on mine
(https://i.postimg.cc/q63dHt27/20210505-182428.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/q63dHt27)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hjqg42C8/20210505-182451.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hjqg42C8)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0BmdQXh/20210505-182632.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0BmdQXh)
Wow they look super nice and promising! What varieties are they? You must be doing something right.
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I've got a few hopeful buds on mine
(https://i.postimg.cc/q63dHt27/20210505-182428.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/q63dHt27)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hjqg42C8/20210505-182451.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hjqg42C8)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0BmdQXh/20210505-182632.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0BmdQXh)
Wow they look super nice and promising! What varieties are they? You must be doing something right.
LIFE!!!!!! ...and with it, hope
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OK. mu report I looked at my two tree's one Dongkiu which has most trunk section above graft no bud's pushing yet, the Black Peak is not as well off had to cut back trunk above graft to about 1" above graft but not giving up yet as still has many spot's where bud's can push!! finger crossed.
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The literature says that Yangmei is diocious. But I believe someone mentioned that the grafted plants will eventually produce both male and female flowers. Does anyone have more information on this?
For this reason, if your grafted scion dies, we should still try to grow out the rootstock in hopes we get a male. I believe Shane and Fang both have females so we will need a male to pollinate the females in case the Yangmei is truly diocious.
On a side note, I see little buds on all 4 of my varieties.
Simon
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Yeah Simon, I plan on growing out root stock hopefully but keep hope for graft's. Yeah, I remember seeing Fang's tree's when we visited his place back when last CRFG conference was in L.A. area plus some folks on forum will have it growing later on hopefully.
Did Fang, move or something? He hasn't posted for quite some time!
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Seller said the grafted trees should produce both male and female flowers but I am not sure how true it is. I also heard that mature grafted trees may produce both male and female flowers but I am not sure how long it takes and how likely it happens.
Therefore, one reason to perhaps keep the suckers from the seedling rootstock is to have a 50% chance to get male branches.
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This is said to be an example of dongkui branch with both male and female flowers
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Some promising news! Catching a faint whiff of yumberries already.
Just received m. cerifera plants ordered to graft on; they should be ready in about a year or 2, LOL
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Honestly I think its the quality of the trees more than what in doing. I had them in too much humidity and they were developing that white fluffy mold on the dead tips. So this is my new setup for now.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mh9975T4/20210505-181009.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mh9975T4)
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While trimming back dead branches I accidentally caught the trunk and was amazed to see green!
This was on my black peak
(https://i.postimg.cc/FkJH3R8v/20210507-161852.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FkJH3R8v)
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The earlier pictures I showed of buds were on my biqi and anhai
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This is said to be an example of dongkui branch with both male and female flowers
That is very promising if it’s true!
Simon
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Yeah Simon, I plan on growing out root stock hopefully but keep hope for graft's. Yeah, I remember seeing Fang's tree's when we visited his place back when last CRFG conference was in L.A. area plus some folks on forum will have it growing later on hopefully.
Did Fang, move or something? He hasn't posted for quite some time!
Fang is still around, I think he posted on page 13 of this thread.
Simon
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Honestly I think its the quality of the trees more than what in doing. I had them in too much humidity and they were developing that white fluffy mold on the dead tips. So this is my new setup for now.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mh9975T4/20210505-181009.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mh9975T4)
That set up looks very clean and organized. Please keep us updated.
Simon
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The literature says that Yangmei is diocious. But I believe someone mentioned that the grafted plants will eventually produce both male and female flowers. Does anyone have more information on this?
I still have the DongKui tree from the previous import in 2012 or so. It’s 5ft tall and wide now after I stopped trying to propagate it (which ended up slowing it down early on). It bloomed the 2nd year, then was weak and didn’t bloom until about 4 years ago. A little before that all I did to it was trim any side and downward growth to make it grow more upright.
Anyway, I haven’t seen any male flowers on that plant ever. This is consistent with what Yunfei said during the recent zoom talk for San Diego CRFG. He’s always said to just graft a pure male for pollen. This shouldn’t be a problem with all the sexed(by DNA markers) seedlings sold by Marta at reallygoodplants.com. She said that the ratio is roughly 50% males.
I got a couple of unsexed seedlings (early on from Marta) growing which I tried to graft this year but they didn’t work. Maybe they’re too young. The grafts from the same round on californica and cerifera are looking alive so far.
The native rootstocks I’ve seen sold are all males. They actually make a few berries. I don’t know if they germinate. I never was able to germinate the native Myrica seeds I bought online either. Maybe I didn’t do enough scarifying to the seeds. They have a wax covering that repels water.
I don’t know if I should say too much about what to do to the imported plants since we imported them when they were relatively dormant back then and this time it’s during the growing season. It’s probably all in the other thread. Humidity and shade are probably still relevant for treating the bareroot shock. I’m glad you guys are trying different things. What everybody’s doing all makes sense. I think you’re giving them the best chance at surviving.
One thing I noticed for grafting is they take a long time to heal. If it starts growing within a month of grafting, it’s not a good sign. I’ve had plenty of grafts that started growing early on that quickly turned brown at a couple mm long.
Potted rootstocks generally go into decline after 1 year is my experience with them. If any of them take for you guys, I recommend planting them as soon as feasible. I had a few previous grafted plants suddenly die on on me in pots. I planted all the remaining rootstocks last year so they’re healthier when I grafted them this year. I have some grafts this year that are still looking alive. I don’t want to say they’re good until they survive the summer heat.
Thicker scions also help grafting success. I think it’s just because there’s more reserve energy to last through the long healing time.
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Simon, thanks for all your insides about growing and your experience with Yangmei plant's that sure help's us new folks with this plant. 8)
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Scott. I believe you meant to thank Fang, he’s been the most successful so far aside from the Calmei folks. I’m a complete newbie when it comes to Yangmei but I’m applying the techniques I’ve learned propagating other fruit trees.
Thanks Fang for all the valuable information, we definitely need to find a male plant.
With all the plants from this group buy, we will hopefully be able to find a male from one of the rootstocks. I have more growths coming from my rootstocks so I will probably leta few grow a single branch so that it doesn’t pull too much energy from the scion. We appreciate all your valuable input Fang!
Simon
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Yes, both of you Fang & Simon for your input's on growing Yangmei, Fang it's good to see you posting again either I have missed your other posts or whatever but I do know that you have most experience here besides Richard in San Diego area who had good luck with first try at growing these tree's.
I value your guy experience please keep us posted on the nuances of growing this new fruit to us anyway!!
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Hey everyone, I was thinking about it some more and from what I’ve seen in videos, Yangmei have a medium large canopy with lots of smaller branches. This species is not like mango and leaving some rootstock shoots may be a good idea because we need a male plant for pollen.
Although leaving a lot of rootstock shoots may divert energy from the grafted scions, leaving a few shoots shouldn’t hurt the scion as much as compared to Mango for example.
I have at least two plants with rootstock buds popping and I’ll leave the rootstock buds for now because the top scion buds also look very good.
This is all new to me and I’m playing it by ear and we have to stay dynamic and learn as we go. Fang already has a female Dongkui so we should try to get a male so he can pollinate his flowers. If some of us are so lucky enough to keep our trees alive and get them established, we will definitely be looking for male plants.
Simon
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Nothing here.
Still waiting for a sign.
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We are still very far from success but here are a few pictures that will at least keep our hopes alive. This first picture is the rootstock growth. It’s super tiny but at least it’s something.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mt4c5gjk/D812-DF31-3532-42-C9-8643-E5-CA9981-C8-BC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mt4c5gjk)
Simon
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In that first picture, there are actually two growths from the rootstock.
And here are some pictures of my Biqi leafing out, I think.
(https://i.postimg.cc/yk5Nz6X0/6-D306-E80-D3-C5-405-A-9-B8-B-BAC8-ED0311-C3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yk5Nz6X0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0rVQc0zW/8-CF89-CD1-D3-FB-41-A5-8-DD4-8-DDDB7-BFF757.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rVQc0zW)
Simon
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Same Biqi, the growths are actually a lot smaller than they look. I tried to zoom in to get a better picture
(https://i.postimg.cc/239k4jtg/FE978-E0-F-57-FB-4-FCD-909-A-61-F73-DF71-C36.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/239k4jtg)
Simon
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These next few pictures are from my An Hai
(https://i.postimg.cc/7CX8wm8j/06-BDBC36-31-A5-4-F74-BCBD-1886-F5-BC8664.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7CX8wm8j)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Yv6BytXr/D8-B0-A9-E3-522-E-4-C2-E-A0-EB-C142984-DF3-F4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Yv6BytXr)
Simon
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More An Hai
(https://i.postimg.cc/3kCzFnRW/B23-C363-C-8778-4-A81-91-FD-3-DDE42685-D68.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3kCzFnRW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/TLSs3skN/D9-C86201-2858-4-E6-D-B03-F-4-CF26-EE7753-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLSs3skN)
The Donkui and Black peak both have buds but they have significantly fewer buds. My Biqi and An Hai seem to be doing the best so far.
Simon
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Wow amazing growth! I'm wondering if your extra light Is getting yours pushing faster..
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Look great.
Mines are in the cold.
Yours heated?
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I keep my plants in my house, average temperature is about 75F. I kept them in pretty much ambient light, absolutely no direct sunlight. For the first week, I had the humidifier set to full blast to allow the wood to rehydrate but I had circulating air to prevent mold/fungal growth. After about 5-7 days, I dropped the humidity to 85% so that I can get the vapor pressure deficit where I want it. I’m keeping it at this humidity for the time being.
If the vapor pressure deficit is too low, it could make it more difficult for the new growth to push. Certain nutrients require some evaporation to pull the nutrients throughout the plant. I’m still trying to avoid direct sun as much as possible. I’m pretty much giving the Yangmei Phalaenopsis orchid amount of light right now.
My wife won’t let me take pictures inside my cluttered house so I took them outside for the photo op. I almost dropped one of the plants so I probably won’t take any more pictures until I see significant growth.
Simon
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Look great.
Mines are in the cold.
Yours heated?
I did put a seedling heat mat under my plants with the thermostat set to 75F but it never turned on because my house is around 75-80F so I ended up in plugging it.
Simon
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Wow I can’t believe Simon your trees are doing so well! This gives me hope. Thanks for sharing the pics and your expertise.
My Biqi looks the best with some buds (none are popping yet). Others have no leaves or obvious buds.
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Wow I can’t believe Simon your trees are doing so well! This gives me hope. Thanks for sharing the pics and your expertise.
My Biqi looks the best with some buds (none are popping yet). Others have no leaves or obvious buds.
Agreed, unreal progress on those Simon.
Mine are at the same spot, more or less. I see a bit of bud showing but it has not progressed much in the last few days. It's colder than usual right now so that will slow them down.
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I plugged my seedling heat mat back in yesterday and this morning it did turn on because it got cold last night. I’m going to up the thermostat to 80F in hopes of accelerating root growth.
I don’t see any roots coming out of the bottom of the drainage holes but I don’t expect to see any roots for several weeks. I’m afraid that my plants are pushing leaves without sufficient feeder roots. If all the buds pop new leaves, it will require sufficient roots to pull up the necessary water and nutrients. By upping the temp of the roots, I’m hoping the roots will catch up to the shoots.
Simon
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of all the pictures I've seen so far, An Hai and Bi Qui have the most growth. Anyone seen any growth on Dong Kui or Black Peak beside Simon?
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of all the pictures I've seen so far, An Hai and Bi Qui have the most growth. Anyone seen any growth on Dong Kui or Black Peak beside Simon?
I have the same tiny buds on all of mine now. None have progressed beyond the others, just a millimetre protruding from the grafts that was not there when I received them.
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of all the pictures I've seen so far, An Hai and Bi Qui have the most growth. Anyone seen any growth on Dong Kui or Black Peak beside Simon?
I am also seeing growth on my An Hai and Bi Qui but there is no growth yet on my black peak although they are still alive. The worst of the lot for me are the Dong Kui, where all but one are dead above the graft union.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Jyr6ry5Z/IMG-5338.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jyr6ry5Z)
Bi Qui
(https://i.postimg.cc/pmZC6WMT/IMG-5337.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pmZC6WMT)
An Hai
Cheers,
Richard
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of all the pictures I've seen so far, An Hai and Bi Qui have the most growth. Anyone seen any growth on Dong Kui or Black Peak beside Simon?
I am also seeing growth on my An Hai and Bi Qui but there is no growth yet on my black peak although they are still alive. The worst of the lot for me are the Dong Kui, where all but one are dead above the graft union.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Jyr6ry5Z/IMG-5338.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jyr6ry5Z)
Bi Qui
(https://i.postimg.cc/pmZC6WMT/IMG-5337.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pmZC6WMT)
An Hai
Cheers,
Richard
Richard, your trees are looking good so far. Hopefully the leaves will start popping on all our trees soon. I agree that the best growth is in the Biqi and An Hai.
My Black peak and Donkui only have a few small buds on them.
Simon
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of all the pictures I've seen so far, An Hai and Bi Qui have the most growth. Anyone seen any growth on Dong Kui or Black Peak beside Simon?
I am also seeing growth on my An Hai and Bi Qui but there is no growth yet on my black peak although they are still alive. The worst of the lot for me are the Dong Kui, where all but one are dead above the graft union.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Jyr6ry5Z/IMG-5338.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jyr6ry5Z)
Bi Qui
(https://i.postimg.cc/pmZC6WMT/IMG-5337.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pmZC6WMT)
An Hai
Cheers,
Richard
they look really good. My Dongkui die back until the graft union. If the rootstock survives I hope to get a male plant. One black peak is probably dead.
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For those who don't know, "Bi Qi" means "water chestnuts" in Chinese, referring to the similar dark color of the fruits - some also call it "black charcoal" Yangmei.
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Well, the 2 dongkui I got all died above the graft so only have rootstocks now. The grafted part came looking good with green under the bark, but the wood had rotted and was brown so the tree looked alive but actually wasn't and eventually just shriveled up. Same with 1 of the rootstocks below graft. The other one looks slightly better because when I cut it back, the wood was healthy looking, so fingers crossed. Don't see any buds yet though.
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My black peak died back to the rootstock and the biqi is now just a couple inches of scion. We'll see. Anhai and Donqui doing the best for sure.
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Is everyone using good quality water. I’m using RO water. I read that they may be very sensitive to the chemicals in our city water.
Simon
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RO water, only watered 2X so far. Did the second watering a day or 2 ago with RO and 25ppm of 20-20-20 with micro.
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Rain water.
No buds today.
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So Far:
Dead:
Grafts:
An Hai
3/4 Biqi
Green:
Rootstocks w/ Original grafts: All, None pushing
Pushing:
Grafts:
Biqi
Black Pearl (maybe)
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I haven’t needed to water yet after potting them since they are kept in high humidity. I will only water them when the pot feels light. I think at this stage it’s best not to water until the potting mix is dry. Just like rooting cuttings - overwatering kills new roots easily
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I haven’t need to water yet after potting them since they are kept in high humidity. I will only water them when the pot feels light. I think at this stage it’s best not to water until the potting mix is dry. Just like rooting cuttings - overwatering kills new roots easily
Ken, I absolutely agree. I still haven’t watered since my initial watering. It’s starting to dry up but there’s still probably 30-40 moisture in the soil. I may have to water tomorrow or on Thursday. Since it’s out of direct sun and the humidity is kept high from my humidifier, the soil is taking a long time to dry out.
I don’t want it to be bone dry, but I also don’t want root rot.
Simon
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It looks like most Yangmei are diocious but there is at least one that is monoecious.
Here’s a paper on the genetic diversity of Yangmei
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/277028420_Genetic_diversity_of_male_and_female_Chinese_bayberry_Myrica_rubra_populations_and_identification_of_sex-associated_markers/fulltext/582f439f08ae102f072f3331/Genetic-diversity-of-male-and-female-Chinese-bayberry-Myrica-rubra-populations-and-identification-of-sex-associated-markers.pdf?origin=publication_detail (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/277028420_Genetic_diversity_of_male_and_female_Chinese_bayberry_Myrica_rubra_populations_and_identification_of_sex-associated_markers/fulltext/582f439f08ae102f072f3331/Genetic-diversity-of-male-and-female-Chinese-bayberry-Myrica-rubra-populations-and-identification-of-sex-associated-markers.pdf?origin=publication_detail)
Simon
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Simon- YOU DA MAN. Awesome work so far and thanks for sharing the valuable knowledge.
My Biqi is the only one that is still alive, with tiny buds trying to push, slowly. The An Hai I gifted to a friend died (shoulda kept it, haha) I did graft branches from each variety and noticed a green bud pushing through the graft tape on the An Hai graft today. I’ve been watering with rain water and only watered once. I don’t think the dongkui or black peak had much of a chance to begin with...only Biqi and An Hai had the little white roots and tiny leaves when I picked them up.
Good luck everyone!
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Simon and Richard, that is some really encouraging growth. I hope that they continue to thrive!
As for my 4 trees, my results have been less exciting:
* 1 dongkui - died back to just above the graft, rootstock is still green
* 1 dongkui - green with no new growth
* 2 biqi - green with tiny buds, but not pushing.
After a week in high humidity, I wrapped each tree. They remain in ambient light with ~60% rh at 70-75 degrees.
I grafted 3 of each variety onto M. Californica and I’m seeing some swelling in each of the grafts except one biqi which looks a bit dried out. I’m actually hoping they slow down a bit since I want the grafts to heal more before they push. These are in part sun.
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Thanks FV Fruit Freak and Kuhyay,
Hopefully the growth continues but I do see more of the thinner branches dying.
Something we should all keep our eyes out for is the fungus attacking the leaves of Yangmei plants in China. The fungus is called Pestalotiopsis sydowiana and here’s a it more information.
https://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/abs/10.1094/PDIS-01-12-0065-PDN
Probably nothing we should be overly concerned about but if we see the described patterns of necrosis on the leaves, we may want to treat it immediately.
Simon
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This abstract says that the soils in Yangmei growing regions have a soil pH of around 4-6. They also mentioned the soils had low organic matter and the orchards all had high B content which I presume is Boron. Very interesting information
https://pdf.hanspub.org/HJAS20191200000_58692802.pdf
Simon
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Those samples were from a single province in China so we can’t assume all Yangmei growing provinces will have a similar soil analysis result.
Simon
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Yup, looks like Boron may be a piece of the puzzle in keeping these trees happy.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01904167.2013.864305 (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01904167.2013.864305)
Beware of the extreme toxicity to plants if boron is over applied. I’ve nearly killed a few mango trees when I accidentally over applied boron on my trees. The leaves turned yellow and chlorotic. It took me several months to slowly flush away the excess Boron.
Simon
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Too much heat and light can cause increased photo inhibition. In other words, when it’s hot and sunny, photosynthetic capacity is reduced.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=myrica+rubra+scholarly+growing+articles+site:www.sciencedirect.com&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&as_vis=1#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DMY-KhtkBuTYJ (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=myrica+rubra+scholarly+growing+articles+site:www.sciencedirect.com&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&as_vis=1#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DMY-KhtkBuTYJ)
I also wanted to update that my Dongkui and Black Peak don’t look so good. Although there are a few buds on each tree, the buds look like they could be drying up but a few buds still look ok.
Simon
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Here’s an update on my Biqi
(https://i.postimg.cc/VSm95BWS/E77-AE637-9-A95-43-B6-BC3-B-2-DC30-A53-A07-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VSm95BWS)
And the same Biqi but growths from the rootstock
(https://i.postimg.cc/jC3rckDD/C7-F1-B7-EE-74-DF-4-F20-B904-C9236-E1-F4-FD9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jC3rckDD)
Simon
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Here’s my An Hai
(https://i.postimg.cc/xJFFvh6Y/41-B5-B687-7196-4-A46-AC0-B-150-B60-FD05-B0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJFFvh6Y)
(https://i.postimg.cc/rzKHVypp/C18-EF4-EE-03-E2-44-BF-9-B01-8-D17055-B0-A8-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rzKHVypp)
Simon
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Wow Simon, you really have it dialed. I am impressed. Mine aren't even close to there.
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I finally have roots popping out the bottom but only for An Hai. There is perlite in my mix, the roots are the longer thin growths coming out of the drainage holes.
(https://i.postimg.cc/r0d7Pq0z/CB724-A38-1-F7-B-46-E0-A242-81985-F281873.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r0d7Pq0z)
Simon
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I finally have roots popping out the bottom but only for An Hai. There is perlite in my mix, the roots are the longer thin growths coming out of the drainage holes.
(https://i.postimg.cc/r0d7Pq0z/CB724-A38-1-F7-B-46-E0-A242-81985-F281873.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r0d7Pq0z)
Simon
Have you watered yet? Impressed the roots have already made it down there
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No, I only watered them on the very first day when I potted them. The pots still feel like there’s about 30-40% moisture so I will probably wait one more day when they’re closer to 30% moisture remaining. The roots are poking through because I put them in the smallest container that I could fit them into. This gives me easier control of soil moisture.
Because the cut tap root and secondary roots were already at the bottom of the pot, they only needed to grow a tiny bit in order for me to see them.
My plan is to let them fill this small pot with roots and transplant them to the next size pot before they get root bound. With this technique, the root hairs will attach to the fibers in my soil mix and the entire root ball should slide out without much transplant shock.
This is how I did it for my rooting experiments with other species.
Simon
Simon
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Wow, Simon, I think your plants are back to good health now that there’s roots and the shoot growth is longer. I did the same thing with the smallest containers and light potting mix so I could tell when to add water. It took 4-6 months for me though.
Oftentimes the grafts start to grow and then turn brown. Here’s a couple shots today of my grafts. The grafts were done in January.
You can see how there are many buds that pushed and turned brown right after. One of them did keep growing. The small green one is not out of the woods yet. This is why I say having the graft push too soon after grafting is not a good sign. They die once they run out of available buds if the graft union hasn’t bridged.
I did grafting during the cool season. You guys doing grafts this round can provide data on how well spring grafts work with the warmer weather. Who knows, it might help them heal faster. It’s not something I’ve tried before but I hope for a good outcome.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HJKSZWc0/4-A0-C7-DC7-8944-4-ECF-9120-58-BDBCEA483-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HJKSZWc0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Mf0dpyst/B29-DD21-A-2955-491-B-844-E-FF48-C03-E80-B6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mf0dpyst)
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Wow, Simon, I think your plants are back to good health now that there’s roots and the shoot growth is longer. I did the same thing with the smallest containers and light potting mix so I could tell when to add water. It took 4-6 months for me though.
Oftentimes the grafts start to grow and then turn brown. Here’s a couple shots today of my grafts. The grafts were done in January.
You can see how there are many buds that pushed and turned brown right after. One of them did keep growing. The small green one is not out of the woods yet. This is why I say having the graft push too soon after grafting is not a good sign. They die once they run out of available buds if the graft union hasn’t bridged.
I did grafting during the cool season. You guys doing grafts this round can provide data on how well spring grafts work with the warmer weather. Who knows, it might help them heal faster. It’s not something I’ve tried before but I hope for a good outcome.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HJKSZWc0/4-A0-C7-DC7-8944-4-ECF-9120-58-BDBCEA483-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HJKSZWc0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Mf0dpyst/B29-DD21-A-2955-491-B-844-E-FF48-C03-E80-B6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mf0dpyst)
Wow Fang, that looks super promising! I haven’t done any grafts yet. I wanted to keep all the green branches in hopes the scion will push. My Donkui and Black Peak have buds but nothing is budging, I guess this could be good so that the roots can catch up.
Hopefully one of my rootstock buds is a male so I can share scions with you and other members with living trees.
Simon
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Wow, Simon, I think your plants are back to good health now that there’s roots and the shoot growth is longer. I did the same thing with the smallest containers and light potting mix so I could tell when to add water. It took 4-6 months for me though.
Oftentimes the grafts start to grow and then turn brown. Here’s a couple shots today of my grafts. The grafts were done in January.
You can see how there are many buds that pushed and turned brown right after. One of them did keep growing. The small green one is not out of the woods yet. This is why I say having the graft push too soon after grafting is not a good sign. They die once they run out of available buds if the graft union hasn’t bridged.
I did grafting during the cool season. You guys doing grafts this round can provide data on how well spring grafts work with the warmer weather. Who knows, it might help them heal faster. It’s not something I’ve tried before but I hope for a good outcome.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HJKSZWc0/4-A0-C7-DC7-8944-4-ECF-9120-58-BDBCEA483-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HJKSZWc0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Mf0dpyst/B29-DD21-A-2955-491-B-844-E-FF48-C03-E80-B6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mf0dpyst)
Thanks for sharing! It took 3-4 months for the second graft (side graft) to grow just that little bit? What graft did you use for the first one?
Is the rootstock M. Californica?
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Nice Simon,roots mean your on your way to growth.
Fang, nice work grafting on your plants and rootstock your using?
Your guy's are getting great results on your plants keep up the great work we all are looking up to you guy's ;) 8)
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Thanks Scott, I’ll keep everyone updated on the progress of these plants.
Marta Matvienko from Reallygoodplants.com has had success growing out Yangmei seeds. She is a geneticist and has mentioned that mono potassium phosphate may be very detrimental to Yangmei plants. She also mentioned that there is anecdotal evidence that Yangmei likes Iron.
Marta also mentioned that young Yangmei plants may be very sensitive to pest pressures and she recommends that we avoid putting our trees under the shade of larger trees because the larger trees could rain down spores and bugs (mites and thrips) which could easily overwhelm a young Yangmei plant. If your tree is already under a larger tree, she recommends checking the leaves for pest damage. Instead of a tree, she recommends a shade structure or shade sail.
I don’t know Marta. It would love to have her here on this forum to give us some advice if she’s not already a member.
Simon
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What a small world, I just emailed Marta and she knows Leo Manuel. Anyways, Marta said that using media/soil with low organic content seemed to help with the seedlings survival in pots. She believes it helps because of the better drainage.
Marta also mentioned that once the roots have established, she fed her plants with a diluted soluble fertilizer. Her experience is with growing out seedlings but this can help us significantly if we want to propagate more trees.
Simon
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For those of you that have Yangmei trees where the scions have died back, don’t give up on the tree because the rootstock is Yangmei and you could have a good seedling selection or perhaps a male seedling. Marta does DNA testing to determine the sex of Yangmei and it costs $200 for ten samples so it’s not bad at all.
Simon
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i started moving the biqi trees out in the sun. they still have a bag on them but im pushing 1 of them into full sun already just to see how hard I can push it. seems ok so far been doing it for 3 days now increasing the exposure each day. its got leaves starting to grow.
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i started moving the biqi trees out in the sun. they still have a bag on them but im pushing 1 of them into full sun already just to see how hard I can push it. seems ok so far been doing it for 3 days now increasing the exposure each day. its got leaves starting to grow.
Nice. Are you bringing them in at night?
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Brad, thanks for pushing the limits. Keep us updated on how this plant handles the sun. If it does well, we won’t have to baby them as much.
Simon
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yes I keep them in my garage most of the time and only move outside for a few hours a day so far. The temperature is 70+ in the garage all the time and the grow lamp runs 24/7.
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Quick update on my trees: One of my Dongkui seems to be dying back further, it’s probably on its way out. Luckily, I noticed two small green buds appear on the rootstocks of my other Dongkui and Biqi. Hopefully the roots will continue to grow and they will start to push above the graft.
Master Simon, do you recommend keeping the rootstock growth at this stage?
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Haha, definitely no master. I am learning everything from Fang, Richard, Marta and from literature and the YouTube videos.
If you see the grafted portion of the tree is drying up indicated by a wrinkled up look, definitely keep the rootstock suckers.
I actually keeping all rootstock suckers at this point because upon further research, the trees grow a dense rounded canopy. Allowing a couple rootstock suckers will not pull as much energy from the grafts as a mango for example. We really do need some male trees and the rootstocks seem to be at least 1-2 years old.
Simon
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I have around a 4 or 5 year old male if anyone needs scion.
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Hi, I sent you a PM
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I have around a 4 or 5 year old male if anyone needs scion.
Wow this is great. A male tree is the most critical missing piece right now. Thanks for offering the scions.
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I have around a 4 or 5 year old male if anyone needs scion.
Hey Nattyfroootz,
Thanks for the offer. Can you tell us how you’ve been keeping your tree alive? Is it in the ground? If so, did you amend your soil? Do you water with city water, filtered water or Reverse Osmosis water? Any info you can share would be greatly appreciated.
Simon
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I had gotten my tree as a 3 or 4 year old seedling from an online nursery and it was rootbound in a 1g. I potted it up into a 5, and then a 15 where its been the past year. It flushes profusely every year and looks much better than the 1 female I had in the ground from the same source (tested by Marta to confirm gender). I just dug that one up and plan to plant it at my farm where there are patches of CA Native Myrica californica.
I use FoxFarm OceanForest and water with city water, which is part ground and surface water. No filtering or anything, I have a chlorine filter on the line but its years old so I'm not sure it's actually doing anything.
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Thanks for the information nattyfroootz!
Sounds like the seedlings can take at least some city water. Foxfarm has lots of organic fertilizers incorporated into it so it seem that fertile soils aren’t burning your plants so far. Perhaps these trees are hardier than I expected.
I will still baby my plants for now but it is very promising that you have a verified male and also a female plant. Thanks again for the great info!
Simon
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(https://i.postimg.cc/4KKZctnd/20210514-110133.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4KKZctnd)
Hi Nattyfroootz,still waiting for reply to my PM
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I had gotten my tree as a 3 or 4 year old seedling from an online nursery and it was rootbound in a 1g. I potted it up into a 5, and then a 15 where its been the past year. It flushes profusely every year and looks much better than the 1 female I had in the ground from the same source (tested by Marta to confirm gender). I just dug that one up and plan to plant it at my farm where there are patches of CA Native Myrica californica.
I use FoxFarm OceanForest and water with city water, which is part ground and surface water. No filtering or anything, I have a chlorine filter on the line but its years old so I'm not sure it's actually doing anything.
Good to know. Dis your male tree bloom this year? I wonder how many years it takes for a male seedling tree to produce flowers.
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Dongkui dead.
Biqi graft dead, rootstock still green.
Black Peak still green but no buds.
Moved the 2 into shed and added bottom heat.
Should have used smaller pots so bottom heating more effective.
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Here’s an update on my trees. I believe my Donkui graft is dead but the rootstock might pop buds, I’m not giving up hope yet.
My Black Peak still has some green on it but it’s not doing anything. Hopefully it will push a bud or two soon. If the scion is dead, I’ll use more aggressive fertilizer to try to push the rootstock.
Here’s a few pictures of my Biqi. It’s doing really good and the leaves are expanding fast but I don’t see roots at the bottom drainage holes yet. Some actual branches are forming as well.
(https://i.postimg.cc/DJyGmD7c/5-B4-A7-CBC-E457-4606-AB16-662-D13031-F01.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DJyGmD7c)
Simon
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More Biqi pictures. The largest leaves are over an inch long. Most of the original leaves have fallen off already.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QBKPw620/3-D98-B216-964-D-4-AA2-A803-1668-F4-E47314.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QBKPw620)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LhkdmbnW/7-B0-D9987-75-B9-4859-89-E8-14-A14-CB6-C457.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LhkdmbnW)
Simon
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Some new buds are also forming and small leaves are starting to pop from them. More Biqi
(https://i.postimg.cc/FkHwW9NJ/451-D2-B40-399-D-4-FAF-8-B61-A5-EE03093-F91.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FkHwW9NJ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/jCMpWJ46/9329-E58-F-ED57-43-AF-BE9-A-AEC48-C947757.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jCMpWJ46)
Simon
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Nicely done Simon!
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I stand by what I said, your results are incredible Simon!
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Looks awesome Simon. :o 8)
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Very nice Simon, you got the luck of the draw but must be your excellent growing skill's ;) 8)
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Thanks everyone, I’m cautiously optimistic but I know the real difficulties will begin when I try to plant it into the ground. Here’s a picture of the rootstock suckers from this same Biqi. These are very small compared to the grafted scions leaves.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vgcrZk3b/6-A67893-A-48-D0-4-CEE-A3-A8-2-AA894-C833-F9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vgcrZk3b)
Simon
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Quick update on my trees and grafts:
Trees:
1 dongkui- dead ☠️
1 dongkui - buds have begun pushing both above and below graft
1 biqi - dead above graft, pushing below graft
1 biqi - still green above/below graft but no swelling
M. Californica grafts:
3x biqi - dead
3x dongkui - green and swelling, not pushing new growth yet.
I definitely think harvesting scions from the trees slowed things down. In retrospect I should have let the biqi do its thing since it was the healthiest.
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Hey Kenny,
At least it sounds like your Dongkui is doing good so far. Hopefully your grafts will heal over and push soon.
I think we are all learning a lot from this group buy and if there’s another group buy in the future, we will be that much more prepared. If there is a future group buy, Ken already mentioned that he wants it during the cooler months and we would also try to get some grafted male trees.
It will be a while before my plants are large enough to begin my grafting experiments but I already have a few ideas that I hope will work.
Simon
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Here’s my progress.
The Dongkui graft has died but the rootstock is still alive. Not pushing any buds either.
All of the branches on my an hai have died but there is still a grafted portion on the trunk that is still green. No buds pushing.
The Biqi is pushing many buds. No full leaves yet.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TyRD7nSH/10078-DF8-6301-4793-8-EF4-F3-A029-AD85-D8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TyRD7nSH)
(https://i.postimg.cc/sGpfCNGP/0159206-F-8-D2-D-4-E9-B-A911-FB9-A0-E3738-EE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sGpfCNGP)
The black peak is doing the best and has even more buds than the biqi. I think there will be some actual leaves soon.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hXnzv9SP/2531248-D-06-A7-4-DAA-B59-E-615-B0-F924-AA3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hXnzv9SP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9zqrBx0Q/9-FBE8361-A970-473-E-B5-F3-ED7650-F296-DD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9zqrBx0Q)
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Fruitkid374,
Your Black Peak and Biqi are looking good. That’s how my trees looked before they pushed their leaves.
At this point, if you see your buds are getting larger, that’s a great sign you will get a flush soon.
What kind of water are you watering your trees with? I’m hoping to eventually acclimate my trees to city water.
Simon
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FruitKid374, impressed by your successes on BiQi and Black Peak. Especially BP - I didn't see many successes so far, and mine is green but there is no bud.
Please keep us updated about your progress.
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Would be nice if all 4 varieties can be saved and shared. Glad to hear about BP FruitKid!
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Here’s a quick update of my An Hai. It’s doing a little better than my Biqi and it has longer leaves. The largest leaves are about 1.5 inches long and it seems to be growing more vigorously than the Biqi even though this variety didn’t have any leaves on it and the Biqi did.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Mcrz1JJh/0946-F46-C-9-E51-4273-A3-C0-BBFC2-B1-FDABA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mcrz1JJh)
(https://i.postimg.cc/tYhRwcFx/889048-E9-141-A-4-E91-B0-A6-395-BCB017-E7-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tYhRwcFx)
(https://i.postimg.cc/yJNVJYtm/DED6318-D-7-CED-4-B74-8-F89-49-EEBA54-B148.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yJNVJYtm)
Simon
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Simon they are growing like crazy. Looks like they will be ready to plant really soon. Did you try acclimating them to outside at all yet?
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I give it a little bit of indirect sun everyday but not in or around noon. I usually give it early morning or late evening sun do that it doesn’t burn.
It gets a little bit of direct sunlight because I put it under my palm tree and when the wind blows, the leaves move, giving it some direct sun but only for a few seconds before the leaf shades it again.
Simon
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Here’s an update on my Black Peak. Some buds are finally swelling and I see the first buds starting to pop. It’s got a long way to go before it catches up with the An Hai and Biqi but I’m super happy there are signs of life.
I’ve still only watered twice and I probably won’t need to water again for at least several days. It’s been cloudy the last week and I’ve been able to give my trees a lot more indirect sun. It’s been super cloudy but bright and the humidity has been relatively high so my plants seem to be loving it.
Here are a few pictures of the buds on my Black Peak.
(https://i.postimg.cc/jWxqBnXC/6-DD636-D1-DC1-C-4-DF5-8-B9-D-FFF3365-ABF68.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jWxqBnXC)
(https://i.postimg.cc/1nT9gCZN/D0-D2-B7-B2-DCE0-43-C5-941-C-4-B8-F24-B19432.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1nT9gCZN)
(https://i.postimg.cc/qtv01VJ3/FD3-F9933-3709-4157-9-DD4-F4-A4-A6-A09193.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qtv01VJ3)
Most of the branches are dead but there’s a few that have some green on them.
Simon
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Lovely Simon!
Is anyone having luck with Dongkui?
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Looks awesome Simon
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Lovely Simon!
Is anyone having luck with Dongkui?
Rob, out of the four varieties, Dongkui is the variety I’m least concerned about because Fang has a good sized tree that is established.
I am also curious if anyone has a Donkui that has green buds or wood on it?
Thanks Itay!
Simon
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It was cloudy yesterday so I brought my Yangmei plants under my Palm tree as I always do but the sun came out and the shadow of my palm tree moved and my plants were exposed to full sun for maybe 15-30 minutes before I moved them under the shade again. There is now a slight bronze color on some of the leaves.
Only part of the leaves got affected because the shadow of my palm tree was still shading part of the trees.
When you give your trees light, be careful not to give it too much direct light.
I previously mentioned that Marta advised not to put your Yangmei plants under the canopy of larger trees but I doing it because I fogged my trees to kill any pests.
Simon
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All of my trees are still showing green wood including my two dongkui but they look pretty much the same as i got them. Only one of my An Hai is showing green buds. I just moved them to 75% shade from full shade and hoping to see a little spark.
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All of my trees are still showing green wood including my two dongkui but they look pretty much the same as i got them. Only one of my An Hai is showing green buds. I just moved them to 75% shade from full shade and hoping to see a little spark.
Mine are all about the same, minus the chopping of dying scion back smaller and smaller. My AnHai is in the best shape so far. I moved Biqi and Dongkui indoors onto a heat mat and I think the Dongkui is finally about to pop out a bud. AnHai and black peak are still in the greenhouse in the shadiest area and not really doing anything. None of them are, but at least they aren't dead. I'm really tempted to give them a light liquid N and micronutrient fert... But will hold off some more.
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In the same situation. Haha. I’m jealous of simons growth but from fangs post it seems like these guys need a long time to heal. None of mine were fortunate enough to have white root hairs or as many branched as simons so I’m keeping mine wrapped in wax tape and going with the hope and pray method.
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My thoughts are that the shorter the duration was from Ken's place to the pot they live in now, the higher likelihood they are to thrive. Simon also is evidently the SoCal king of roots / plants, so, there is also that. I have hopes mine will survive. I am at least fairly certain the rootstocks will all survive.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/JDqyFzFw/20210519-133414.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JDqyFzFw)
My black peak
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(https://i.postimg.cc/JDqyFzFw/20210519-133414.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JDqyFzFw)
My black peak
Nice work Canito lookin great! Yangmei can call Puerto Rico home now!
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(https://i.postimg.cc/JDqyFzFw/20210519-133414.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JDqyFzFw)
My black peak
Wow looking so promising! Congrats!
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All of my trees are still showing green wood including my two dongkui but they look pretty much the same as i got them. Only one of my An Hai is showing green buds. I just moved them to 75% shade from full shade and hoping to see a little spark.
That’s great news, green wood at this point is an excellent sign. Hopefully it will push soon. Please keep us updated!
Simon
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All of my trees are still showing green wood including my two dongkui but they look pretty much the same as i got them. Only one of my An Hai is showing green buds. I just moved them to 75% shade from full shade and hoping to see a little spark.
Mine are all about the same, minus the chopping of dying scion back smaller and smaller. My AnHai is in the best shape so far. I moved Biqi and Dongkui indoors onto a heat mat and I think the Dongkui is finally about to pop out a bud. AnHai and black peak are still in the greenhouse in the shadiest area and not really doing anything. None of them are, but at least they aren't dead. I'm really tempted to give them a light liquid N and micronutrient fert... But will hold off some more.
I watered with a very diluted fertilizer solution on the second watering. I made sure it was low in Phosphorus. I saw increased growth after the fertilizer application but be very careful about over fertilizing.
Simon
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(https://i.postimg.cc/WdsZzp4D/D1-C29183-F419-4-F50-A261-CCD75-B37-AF85.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WdsZzp4D)
Happy yangmei dad today. Up potted one An Hai that is green wood but no buds swelling and just green wood. When I up potted I saw Beautiful white roots forming and growing. My other An Hai is swelling with buds.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/WdsZzp4D/D1-C29183-F419-4-F50-A261-CCD75-B37-AF85.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WdsZzp4D)
Happy yangmei dad today. Up potted one An Hai that is green wood but no buds swelling and just green wood. When I up potted I saw Beautiful white roots forming and growing. My other An Hai is swelling with buds.
Hi Joe, great job! I’d rather have nice root growth over buds right now. I’m glad that Your method is working nicely.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/8FrC4xKd/68488-C6-B-1-B4-B-4-F54-9-A09-1-E3-D631978-F0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8FrC4xKd)
(https://i.postimg.cc/crsrW9CZ/7-CE35-A46-F938-4582-9858-10-B17-D437-F36.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/crsrW9CZ)
Thanks! Here’s a picture of the green wood. Not very big but holding on! The other pic is my other An hai. It’s starting to bud but not checking roots. All my others are green but look dormant. Having roots show gives me hope.
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My thoughts are that the shorter the duration was from Ken's place to the pot they live in now, the higher likelihood they are to thrive. Simon also is evidently the SoCal king of roots / plants, so, there is also that. I have hopes mine will survive. I am at least fairly certain the rootstocks will all survive.
This doesn’t seem to be true for me :). Most of you guys are doing better than me. My dongkui is dead above the graft, black peak and an Hai are alive but no obvious buds yet. Biqi is growing some leaves.
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Curious to hear where you guys plan on planting your trees once the time comes? I guess it depends on your location...I read it grows in forest and mountain areas in its natural habitat between around 300-5,000ft in elevation so I’m thinking full time partial shade and not full sun would make a good, permanent home for them. Any thoughts? Update on my trees: Biqi is pushing nice green growth, albeit very slowly, and my An Hai grafted onto m. Californica has pushed a couple green buds through the graft tape.
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Wonder if it would produce more fruit in full sun or partial...
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Curious to hear where you guys plan on planting your trees once the time comes? I guess it depends on your location...I read it grows in forest and mountain areas in its natural habitat between around 300-5,000ft in elevation so I’m thinking full time partial shade and not full sun would make a good, permanent home for them. Any thoughts? Update on my trees: Biqi is pushing nice green growth, albeit very slowly, and my An Hai grafted onto m. Californica has pushed a couple green buds through the graft tape.
It's pretty rainy and often cloudy where the Yangmei trees are grown. It's pretty humid there too. My guess is that partial sun is excellent for them.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Q94dBfbJ/0-A36-CFA6-EEC5-424-B-BD52-863-A108-B0131.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Q94dBfbJ)
Tiny buds on Biqi rootstock.
Nothing on Black Peak.
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Mine will get full day sun once its planted with a 30% shade cloth for the first summer or 2. Its starting to gain a little bit of vigor now it has some leaves. Hopefully it continues to pick up the pace. I'm going to fertilize it soon with 50ppm of generic miracle grow from lowes. I already gave it 25ppm fake miracle grow on watering #2.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vr4dZwdD/20210524-145257.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Vr4dZwdD)
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Thanks Brad. Your trees are looking awesome! Really nice deep green color on those leaves.
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@Shaneatwell
Hi Shane, did you notice if your yangmei seedling produced more flowers on the shady side or sunny side? Thx
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I hope there will be another group buy
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@Shaneatwell
Hi Shane, did you notice if your yangmei seedling produced more flowers on the shady side or sunny side? Thx
My tree is in a walkway on the west side of my two story house. For years it only got direct sun for a couple hours a day. Now its grown way over my neighbors fence and is approaching our roofline so it gets a lot more. There were definitely more flowers on the sunny side, in fact they might have exclusively been on that side. I don't remember seeing any on the north side of the plant and only a few on the east side (facing the house).
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Mine will get full day sun once its planted with a 30% shade cloth for the first summer or 2. Its starting to gain a little bit of vigor now it has some leaves. Hopefully it continues to pick up the pace. I'm going to fertilize it soon with 50ppm of generic miracle grow from lowes. I already gave it 25ppm fake miracle grow on watering #2.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vr4dZwdD/20210524-145257.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Vr4dZwdD)
Looks super nice Brad. Looks like it will take off pretty soon.
I took out my BiQi and put it under a shaded spot that gets some dappled light. At this point do they still need high humidity?
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i dont know about where you live but it still needs it here. it was in the 90s and single digit humidity here yesterday. i keep them in a micro greenhouse under LEDs with the humidifier set at 70%. Once we get some more mild weather Ill put it back out in the sun for a few hours a day. the yellow winnie the poo bear in there is a kids humidifier.
(https://i.postimg.cc/crTtL45m/20210525-112610.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/crTtL45m)
(https://i.postimg.cc/nj8CPsCH/20210525-112604.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nj8CPsCH)
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knowing what we know now from simon/brad and others, I suggest Kang to organize another group buy.
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this would be easier if we did it in January so the plants have time to recover and be planted by summer.
for the record I hate trying to rehab mailorder plants. its a complete PITA. Im OUT for future orders...
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I found a few trees full of fruits almost ripe at Monterey’s Andronico’s community market.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mzZJjp9Q/0-E23-A199-1794-4775-950-C-65-A4-EF71-A9-C3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mzZJjp9Q)
(https://i.postimg.cc/JHGgVyP0/CB821440-F8-D0-4-E09-A235-2229-F8194809.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JHGgVyP0)
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I found a few trees full of fruits almost ripe at Monterey’s Andronico’s community market.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mzZJjp9Q/0-E23-A199-1794-4775-950-C-65-A4-EF71-A9-C3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mzZJjp9Q)
(https://i.postimg.cc/JHGgVyP0/CB821440-F8-D0-4-E09-A235-2229-F8194809.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JHGgVyP0)
I think these are strawberry trees, not Yangmei. They fruits look quite similar but tastes totally different
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbutus_unedo
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Thanks,I learned something here. When I lived in France, I used to find a lot of these in the southern part especially on the island of Corsica and always thought of it as Yangmei. Excellent as jam though.
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99 ranch has yangmei flavored chips right now. I've never tried the fruit so now I have some idea what it tastes like.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pmdJhpnM/chips.png) (https://postimg.cc/pmdJhpnM)
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99 ranch has yangmei flavored chips right now. I've never tried the fruit so now I have some idea what it tastes like.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pmdJhpnM/chips.png) (https://postimg.cc/pmdJhpnM)
Cool...Just a word of warning...I bought the chestnut flavor of these and they had no trace of chestnut. I advise you to look at the ingredients first. All it had were some ingredients I couldn't pronounce...ended up throwing it away. But I did manage to find some canned yangmei. Tried them and was not impressed probably due to the fruits sitting in sugar water sludge for a few months maybe even for years. Based on what the fruit tasted canned, I think that they will be a great fruit fresh and have not given up on these just yet. ::)
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99 ranch has yangmei flavored chips right now. I've never tried the fruit so now I have some idea what it tastes like.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pmdJhpnM/chips.png) (https://postimg.cc/pmdJhpnM)
These tasted bad to me lol
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I gave up on mine a couple weeks ago but just noticed that 2 of my Biqi are pushing lots of buds as well as one An Hai. Super stoked! Looks like neglect in a shady hoop house is what they wanted.
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Nate, that's great to hear I'll keep neglecting mine too! :P
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Neglect and patience seems to be the key. My one Biqi is pushing out the rootstock and I have a sucker I’m gonna let grow out. This Biqi is dead above the graft
Line so hoping for something yummy.
(https://i.postimg.cc/94fSQv9S/9-C5-E9-F03-00-DF-4161-B90-F-91358-C76-E6-F0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94fSQv9S)
(https://i.postimg.cc/HJPNcB4L/BC4-D06-A7-E0-BC-46-B0-8964-0-FDBCC84-DD6-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HJPNcB4L)
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these 2 seem alive! several look dead as well...
(https://i.postimg.cc/hJ2NsNdw/20210608-112355.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hJ2NsNdw)
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this tree likes to make tons of buds. I think if you get to the point that your tree is making a lot of buds on the branches, they should be thinned down to 2 or 3 on each main branch so the energy is directed to just a few buds.
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Beautiful job Brad! Those look super fantastic.
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They look great, Brad.
All 3 graft dead here.
1 rootstock dead.
1 rootstock has many tiny leaves.
1 rootstock green but not showing anything.
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i bought 1 of each type for myself and rob in florida got 8 trees which I agreed to try and revive for him. Of those 12 plants 2 biqi look good, the other 2 biqi may make it. And the rest I think are dead. The An Hai looked like they might pull though but they apear to be dead grafts now. So 15-20% success rate. Not very good really but at least theres some survivors here. Im sending one to Rob soon. Waiting for the insane heatwave to pass. its supposed to be 125 in the desert here on Monday.
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You rock Brad, happy to have anything. Know its been a lot of work, but I won't apologize for helping to drag you into the yangmei craze. ...Unless the fruit sux, lol.
It hit 90F by 9am here today.
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Just a quick update regarding my plants. After my last post, I had a power outage at my house. My humidifier shut off and turned back on at 100% humidity for about 14 hours. My plants were sitting in plant saucers to catch excess water and they filled up with water and nearly drowned the plants. All the branches were completely soggy and branches were drooping from the weight of the water droplets.
The plants sucked up all the water in the saucers until the soil was 100% saturated and couldn’t suck up any more water.
I dumped out all the excess water from the saucers but the damage was done because of the saturated soil moisture levels and the lack of evaporation from the leaves for 14 hours.
This all happened a few days after I burned the leaves of the plant by accidentally allowing them to get too much direct sun.
The plants now have burned leaves and are showing extreme nutrient deficiencies due to the flushing of the soil that occurred when my humidifier malfunctioned.
I didn’t want to fertilize after they got drowned because I wanted to soil to dry up so I couldn’t fertilize until last week.
The plants are starting to look a little better now but still have burnt leaves and nutrient deficiencies which I’ll have to slowly dial in.
The good news is that my BlackPeak is finally starting to branch out.
Simon
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Here is my update
AnHai 1 flushing above and below graft (verified new white root growth)
(https://i.postimg.cc/CR7dVSfR/05-FE3106-4999-4198-8-AC0-65491-FA6-FABE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CR7dVSfR)
An Hai 2 flushing above graft
(https://i.postimg.cc/y30YpHHY/06975526-BA23-489-D-BD78-9-A3-BA5593-E9-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/y30YpHHY)
Biqi 1. Dead above graft. New sucker and buds
(https://i.postimg.cc/3dHw4dXy/B9-F7-DED1-1-F64-4-D59-9-D48-EEEBE40-C024-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3dHw4dXy)
Biqi 2 woohoo. Just noticed new buds above graft line!
(https://i.postimg.cc/7CC4Qk18/66347-D9-F-995-C-4-B3-B-9011-82258435015-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7CC4Qk18)
Black peak 1 budding below graft hope that doesn’t mean that above is dead although this one doesn’t look good above graft.
(https://i.postimg.cc/SY4psYBk/7-B27-B902-156-F-4-B5-D-BD2-D-61-B1-F245-F421.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SY4psYBk)
The others still look dormant but green wood so I am holding out hope.
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I’ve been hoping to grow this. I’ve bought tons of seeds and they never sprouted. I heard they take about a year? I really want to buy a tree
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Here’s an update of my Black Peak
(https://i.postimg.cc/nMLzk2qC/424-D5-BDC-954-B-4776-AD38-6-E0-C6-A6-A498-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nMLzk2qC)
(https://i.postimg.cc/py09b4Pf/8-F076332-ED1-F-4-D80-B18-F-C3-F886-D198-C8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/py09b4Pf)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LYxsSgF9/DA6-E2323-0-B27-4-E5-B-A978-3-A1320-DA3-B8-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LYxsSgF9)
Simon
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An Hai
(https://i.postimg.cc/nsXt9JTn/2897-B247-D06-A-4654-9358-7-A20-D4-D4-C9-D0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nsXt9JTn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/jDgbj5H8/2-D9-E2-F10-E164-4-DEB-9-E07-268497-FA0-E27.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jDgbj5H8)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8fRGkm4W/4-F0-D4-A2-B-FBCC-4907-A660-52-B1283-DFEDB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8fRGkm4W)
(https://i.postimg.cc/5HDWwRkL/DB96-C708-F924-4481-B797-C993-E3-ABC8-DA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5HDWwRkL)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zLQ8xB3L/FCF06-E5-A-E042-4-F57-845-F-AAF6-FB3607-EE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zLQ8xB3L)
Simon
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And Biqi
(https://i.postimg.cc/bDcPb5sW/22-B26-F78-FAD7-4-C3-B-9-E70-2-C3-FB40-F2-F53.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bDcPb5sW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/bDxGWMWf/4-D5939-C0-4-A2-D-4-DD6-A088-C06-D22-CA9-ADE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bDxGWMWf)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LnHfK9mC/C78-E7378-199-A-4937-BBC5-2216-FA35-DAED.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LnHfK9mC)
Simon
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Very nice!!!
Looks like maybe all 4 varieties will be available over time.
Good luck everyone
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Looking AMAZING Simon. Well done sir. My lone survivor, Biqi, is growing really slowly. What are you fertilizing with? How often? And what are you keeping humidity at? Thank you
(https://i.postimg.cc/2LnMNzBb/4-C6409-AB-FEC6-4-F9-B-B7-A2-CCF914-F1-F30-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2LnMNzBb)
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Hey Nate,
I have my humidity set at 70% now. I plan on dropping it down by 5% every week until it reaches ambient humidity.
Ive been feeding it with Dyna Gro foliage pro 9-3-6. I use this because the research I did on Yangmei and emailing Marta suggested that too much Phosphorus may be detrimental to this plant. I do Not use it at full strength, I started off with on day 1 with approximately 250 ppm to rehydrate it and to initially wet the soil and on the first real watering after that, I bumped it up to around 400 ppm. The second real watering was at around 5-600 ppm and now it’s at about 900 ppm.
This is using the ppm 500 scale. How often I water/fertilize depends on when the soil dries up. I water/fertilize when there is about 20-30% moisture remaining in the soil.
The Biqi and Anh Hai have significantly more foliage and thus more evaporative surface so they now require significantly more watering than the Black Peak.
You can see how bad the leaves got burned and you can also see the extreme chlorosis caused by the flooding but it was significantly worse immediately after the event. The chlorotic leaves showed significant improvement after I dosed it with chelated Iron as you can see by comparing the older leaves to the newer leaves.
The longest branches on the Biqi and Anh Hai are approximately 5-6 inches long. This is new growth since I got the tree not including the old wood.
Simon
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THANK YOU
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I have had my head down germinating seeds and throwing away my dead ones missed this thread :-(
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Hi,
For the 5 plants I bought the grafts are dead, rootstocks are alive. I did place them in a small GH for the humidity, mostly indirect sunlight and I didn't overwater.
I hope I will be able to buy scion in the future.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/zy6L1GP8/5-A4-A7-BAF-B2-EE-4540-BE7-A-513-A8-F87-E036.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zy6L1GP8)
All I have so far.
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Hey man a least you've got something ;) I'm bear still afraid to kick trunks :-\
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Attention Nor-Cal dudes! Looks like Yangmei is on sell in your area, would love to hear a taste report if you can score some, or maybe an overnight sample sent to me ;) I would be super grateful and would be stoked to work out a deal, barter, throw you some cash, whatever....lemme know!
(https://i.postimg.cc/5Hkmq1HL/06284-ED4-7-CB6-45-A2-9-F99-486-AFFAD8-B83.png) (https://postimg.cc/5Hkmq1HL)
Peace,
Nate
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Yeah, I’d be very interested in ordering some fruit to sample as well. Please message me. Thanks
Simon
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Only Biqui is growing here. I'm sending one to FL today Rob.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LJ6pM3ZD/20210622-094303.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJ6pM3ZD)
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Oooooooo..........
You have done a wonderful job Brad!
So thankful and excited. Much gratitude.
Will be watching for FedEx from above, with my electric eye drone spy.
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Biqi just dropped in, thanks again Brad and Kang! Expert shipping, she looks perfectly fine despite the heat wave.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0rv6cLZn/Yangmei-Biqi62321.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rv6cLZn)
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Looks good
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Biqi just dropped in, thanks again Brad and Kang! Expert shipping, she looks perfectly fine despite the heat wave.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0rv6cLZn/Yangmei-Biqi62321.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rv6cLZn)
It looks much better than mine, congrats!
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Brad did an excellent job reviving those trees and I’m so glad it made it to you safely. It should grow well for you with the higher humidity in your neck of the woods.
Simon
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well I killed 8 trees and saved 4 it looks like. Not so great but not bad considering they sat in transit bare rooted for 2 weeks and usda gassed them.
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You did great. That's why I bought 8 trees, and all 4 varieties. Was thinking 25% survival rate would be acceptable and realistic.
3 out of 8 is not bad at all.
Just hope there's scions of all to go around.
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I think I had purchased about 12 trees and had 3 survivors, 2 Biqi and 1 AnHai. It definitely looks like I could have done more like you, Brad, to have that rad success! Although, for pretty passive inputs im stoked enough with the results
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This demonstration of Bayberry preparations in Yunnan just dropped. Hope you all have success.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGg4X4gxv2w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGg4X4gxv2w)
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Pineislander, thanks for the link to the video! I’ve seen a bunch of her videos and they are so well choreographed. She is extremely talented and in one of the videos, she was digging holes and planting trees, some hard labor.
Does anyone have a Black Peak that is still alive? My Black peak is just barely alive, not sure if it will pull through. It has some leaves but some of the growths just completely dried up.
Simon
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My Black Peak is no good.
(https://i.postimg.cc/yDPtW788/69567958-C87-F-479-C-A9-E2-B236-B7-F7-E1-B9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yDPtW788)
This rootstock is getting full sun.
Last week it couldn’t.
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A good friend in San Francisco stopped by Bi-Rite and picked up some Yangmei for around $50/lbs if I remember correctly. He was generous enough to overnight me some and I was super stoked. He was able to get some Dongkui and also some Biqi.
Ever since this group buy, I was excited to grow this tree because of how rare it is but I have never tasted the fruit and always wondered in the back of my mind, what if this fruit doesn’t even taste good?
Well, those fears were laid to rest today and I’m stoked to report that this fruit is absolutely incredible! It’s very unique and there’s no other fruit like it! To compare it to a more common fruit like a strawberry would be a disservice to the Yangmei. After eating this fruit, I can’t understand why this fruit isn’t more talked about and why did it take so long for us to find out about it?
This fruit has a slightly sweet smell with a tinge of berry, a hint of floral notes and a background of sandalwood. I know it sounds unusual but to me, the smell is absolutely fantastic.
I gave a DongKui to my daughter and she said it was reminiscent of a strawberry but better. I then gave her a Biqi and she liked Biqi even better. I feel that the people that have tried Yangmei often compare this fruit to a strawberry not because it actually tastes like a strawberry but because the taste is subtle. The sugar level is moderate and the acidity is also moderate. The actual Yangmei flavor is also moderate but the complete package is sublime.
Yangmei is not one of those fruit with an intense flavor profile but it’s fantastic smell combined with a perfect sugar acid balance makes it super addictive. I feel like I can eat a bucket full of these fruit.
The first fruit I sampled was a Dongkui and the fruit were larger than I was expecting. The Dongkui was a bit larger than a half dollar and there was a good amount of flesh on the fruit. The fruit tastes like it smelled and it had a Brix of 10.1%.
I then sampled the Biqi which is a smaller fruit that is much darker in color. The Biqi was slightly smaller than a half dollar and had a Brix of 13.4%. The Biqi has a noticeably sweeter taste and in addition to the flavor that the Dongkui had, the Biqi also had a combination of Blackberry and Pakistan mulberry. In this sampling, I preferred the Biqi over the Dongkui. The folks at Calmei or wherever these fruit came from did a very good job growing and processing these fruit from the quality I observed in this small sampling.
I’m definitely saving the seeds and hopefully they will sprout in a year or two. Now I’m super excited that I have a few trees that are still alive. My Anh Hai and Biqi have grown pretty well and are ready to be up potted.
Here are some pictures of the absolutely incredible tasting Yangmei fruit.
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Had some trouble post pictures, let me try again
Dongkui
(https://i.postimg.cc/jDfqBRb1/0-D41737-A-9-C4-B-41-E8-B5-F2-95-FB1-C33-F4-D9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jDfqBRb1)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/hz2KVjLX/5370745-C-1-CA2-4-C7-B-B27-E-2-D0-FF8-A1-EE04.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hz2KVjLX)
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Simon
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Biqi
(https://i.postimg.cc/PpVkP7HZ/74-EFC15-F-9-D8-E-4464-A0-A5-AF5586447-AC9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PpVkP7HZ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/34xTrTsY/E969-E64-D-E8-A7-4-E68-8086-A0-D30-AE1-DC06.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/34xTrTsY)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y437w9yd/F07-B6-FC3-E612-4-F06-A0-A5-D2-B06-C72-C602.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y437w9yd)
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Simon
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I forgot to mention, the Yangmei had a slight Osmanthus smell and taste which was very enjoyable!
Simon
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That is wonderful news Simon!
I've gambled on growing lots of fruits that have never sampled. It doesn't always work out well.
Any idea on how long these trees will likely take to start fruiting?
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That’s nice you got to try some yangmei and it’s great to hear it’s an awesome tasting fruit, thx for posting about the flavor and such. Is your “friend” part of the group buy?
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Hey Rob, that I have no idea but I would assume that the faster we can grow the trees, the sooner they will fruit. These are grafted trees so they have the ability to fruit much sooner than a seedling but we still need male trees for their pollen. I would assume that since these trees are grafted that they will bloom whenever their bloom season is here.
Simon
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No, my friend is more of a fruit eater and doesn’t grow much.
Simon
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Ah, gotcha, I need to make friends in San Fran...
Your recommendation on the fertilizer is working great! Thanks again!! My Biqi has really started to come to life since fertilizing with it :)
(https://i.postimg.cc/6ym6nDgc/1-B0-BB61-B-8-CD8-400-A-8-AB2-E960-D71-CD04-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6ym6nDgc)
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Hey Nate, I’m glad the fertilizer recommendation is working out for you.
I am also using this Iron Chelate since the research shows it may like more iron and I had chlorotic leaves.
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Here is a quick update on my Biqi. The longest branches are now over 13 inches of new growth and it appears the buds are getting ready to pop secondary branches as well but I have no idea. They just look swollen and ready to grow.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hQ8Pkb6v/6-EA6912-D-38-B2-428-F-BF0-D-01-EB47373-EB3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hQ8Pkb6v)
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The rootstock growth is now about 7 inches tall. If we can get 9 more members with enough growth on their rootstocks, we can send leaf sample in for Genetic testing to determine the sex. The sooner we find out the sex of the rootstocks, the sooner we can remove female rootstocks( if scion is still alive) so that we don’t waste energy on the female sprouts.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rDXvHRL0/08-A6706-C-F341-4514-BC66-6-A562437-B4-B8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rDXvHRL0)
Simon
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Here’s a picture of the Biqi with my hand out of the way
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Simon
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Here’s my An Hai. The branches aren’t as long but this variety has much larger leaves.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rd6HwQCF/DCE51-CAA-2-F87-40-A0-9-FD3-60-E9-C1-A5034-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rd6HwQCF)
Simon
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Just realized Simon is a member of Blue Man Group.
Amazing growth on those. Going to try and catch up!
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Any chance at doing a 2nd round of this group buy?
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Dang Simon, you will have fruit off that in no time!
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Wow Simon! That's awesome, those are boosting.
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I’d be happy to graft Somme of those rootstocks into my mature female seedling. One of my rootstocks appears to have survived as well.
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Sad to say both my Black Peak and Dongkui died :-[ :'(
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Just realized Simon is a member of Blue Man Group.
Amazing growth on those. Going to try and catch up!
Haha, more like Blue Hand group! Rob, I would think your plants will grow fast in your warmer and more humid environment. I believe they will grow well in areas where Lychees do well.
Simon
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I know several people are hoping for another group buy but it would not be wise to attempt another group buy during the heat of Summer. The trees in this group buy did better than the previous group buy perhaps because the trees were bigger but I feel we would have gotten a much higher survival rate if the temperatures were even cooler.
I’ve been pretty busy working on some other projects and I need to up pot these ASAP. I am about to start some grafting and rooting experiments on these Yangmei but there is the potential I could kill the plants so I’m hesitant to start.
For now, I want to focus on getting a list of everyone that has rootstocks with enough leaves so that we can send leaf samples in for genetic testing. We really need to find a few male trees if we want to successfully fruit these trees.
Simon
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I am about to start some grafting and rooting experiments on these Yangmei but there is the potential I could kill the plants so I’m hesitant to start.
Simon, you're welcome to use my tree as either rootstock or scion for experiments.
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Thanks for the offer Shane!
Simon
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I believe Nate (nattyfrootz) mentioned he has a large male tree.
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Thanks Nate, I keep forgetting about that. Hopefully we can get some scions and start grafting.
I’m still hopeful that one of us will get more male trees in case the grafting fails.
Simon
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Howdy everyone, been keeping a bit quiet about this but I'll be selling around 40 or 50 yangmei seedlings in the next week or so. You can find more info at www.wildlandsplants.com (http://www.wildlandsplants.com). I'll post here when I do ultimately post the plants for sale. I'll also have Male Scion wood to trade (In spring of 2022) to anyone who wants it from a plant thats probably about 4 or 5 years old. You can subscribe to my email list in order to get updates on when plants are listed for sale!
Thank you!
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Despite my best efforts, my yangmeis didn't make it, even the rootstock. I chalk it up to being really hot and dry where I live. If I tried to spin the wheel again, I'd definitely employ a humidity dome and humidifier like Spaugh and Simon used - clearly helped since both of their success rates was statistically better. Nate in SC also probably has a more mellow climate than mine, so, definitely not an easy task up here at high elevation inland CA - but I did my best!
I'll leave them sitting for awhile and see if anything comes from the roots but am definitely not holding out any hope.
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Kevin, i did put my tree's in or with plastic bag over pots tied to pot put failed also I cut into or below bark to see if any green put they were gone!! when through shredder today :'(
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I got some of last ones left (3 plants), one looks dead (didn't have much roots) but the other two are now finally starting to grow (An Hai).
Here's how much root they had. The two on the right made it, the DK on left never grew new buds.
(https://i.postimg.cc/YSrhGxfV/Yangmei-bareroot-4-30-21.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0z48hD4d)
Pictures taken today, 7/7/21, below:
(https://i.postimg.cc/pX2x9MrW/An-Hai-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/z3P4MMT6)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Cxz3Dhgg/An-Hai-1-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fVQqQhy2)
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I have an An Hai that just started to grow leaves in the last week.
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I have one An Hai and one Biqi with growth above and below grafts and two others growing from rootstock. Mine have been outside under the eaves of my house getting late afternoon sun when/if the clouds clear. It’s been really cool in my garden all spring and summer so far with high temps just now getting into the 70’s so growth has been slow. Happy to share scion when plants get big enough.
Janet
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Hey Janet, nice work! Be careful with the sun, I think they’re pretty sensitive to it still, I slightly burned a couple of my newly pushing buds early on and it was only in partial/marine layer sun in the early morning and late afternoon. I’ve kept it in full shade since and it seems happy, and still pushing new growth.
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Is anyone else giving theirs sun? I’m scurred.
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Mine is in the sun much of the day. It's been overcast and rainy a bit lately. Seems to be doing just fine.
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When I read that Brad was exposing his to sun I decided to put one plant that was just budding (An Hai) in sun to see if the warmth would stimulate growth. It’s been the most vigorous, but the leaves were exposed to sun from the beginning. So far two plants seem to take the sun fine, the other two seem more sensitive so give them dappled morning sun. However, full sun in my garden is not that intense compared to even a mile inland. I live a couple blocks from the ocean and we’ve had a lot of marine layer so far this year.
Brad, are you still exposing your plants to sunlight?
Janet
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I have been giving them some morning sun lately. The problem is it's gotten too hot and dry and windy now to give them mid day sun.
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I have been doing the same as Janet, just keep the pot in partial shade and water when it gets dry, nothing special.
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I have been doing the same as Janet, just keep the pot in partial shade and water when it gets dry, nothing special.
Kaz your trees are taking off. Nice job!
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Thanks Ken, yes, glad I got a few to grow, now I can taste some fruits in 2-4 yrs.
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Kaz, still need to figure out male plants. I suggest you keep at least one rootstock sucker for each tree (if suckers grow) as they have 50% chance of being a male.
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Yes, will do. I have not cut any root suckers so both have them growing.
All of my grafts I put on the myrica californica failed. It could be due to the scions not looking that good when I used them for grafting.
When my An Hai tree grows more branches, I may try grafting again in spring with healthy green branches.
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Just took pic this morning. Seems to be growing a little already, loving the sun.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5Y7WyFCz/Yangmei-Biqi-7-8-2021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5Y7WyFCz)
Going to hit it lightly with iron chelate and Foliage Pro 9 3 6.
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Mine has been in the sun.
The white tiles burn the lower leaves.
I now have a tall tree next to it to block the afternoon sun.
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I left mine out under a 70% shade all day today it was over 90F and around 30%RH and windy. Seems fine. I may go ahead and plant it a d put a shade over it. It will either take off or die.
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Great job Kaz, your trees look like they’re doing great now!
Rob, your s are looking great as well.
Brad, I’m with you. I’m considering just planting one of my trees into the ground very soon and I’ll experiment with the other one. I just need to erect a small shade shelter.
My Black Peak is not looking good at all, I have it in intensive care but it probably won’t make it. If it dies, I’ll only have Biqi and An Hai.
Simon
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Howdy everyone, been keeping a bit quiet about this but I'll be selling around 40 or 50 yangmei seedlings in the next week or so. You can find more info at www.wildlandsplants.com (http://www.wildlandsplants.com). I'll post here when I do ultimately post the plants for sale. I'll also have Male Scion wood to trade (In spring of 2022) to anyone who wants it from a plant thats probably about 4 or 5 years old. You can subscribe to my email list in order to get updates on when plants are listed for sale!
Thank you!
Hey Nate,
Have you tried grafting your male plant onto your seedlings? If you have a grafted male, I’m definitely interested! Thanks for the info, I’ll subscribe to your email list now.
Simon
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Thanks Brad! Yangmei 2 has landed, and has been reunited. You did a phenomenal job of taking care of these rarities; just hope I can continue with similar success.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XGj9QNkN/Yangmei-Duo792021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XGj9QNkN)
Good luck with Black Peak Simon! What do you think went afoul?
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roblack, looks like your trees are doing great, so many leaves and branches growing out. You, Brad and Simon have the healthiest looking trees. My trees were not showing any new growth until a few weeks ago so I didn't want to take any photos to show until it finally started to bud/leaf out. Once the leaves grows it seems to take off pretty quickly.
Thanks to Ken for allowing us to try growing these guys. I'm glad he had some extras for me.
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Thanks Kaz, but my trees look great thanks to Brad. I've had the smaller one maybe 2 weeks or so, the taller one just arrived yesterday.
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Thanks Brad! Yangmei 2 has landed, and has been reunited. You did a phenomenal job of taking care of these rarities; just hope I can continue with similar success.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XGj9QNkN/Yangmei-Duo792021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XGj9QNkN)
Good luck with Black Peak Simon! What do you think went afoul?
Rob, I believe the trees may have been exposed to too much heat during the international shipping.
Does anyone from this group buy still have a Black Peak that is alive? I was hopeful when it pushed leaves a while back but the growths have since dried up and there’s only a few that leaves that have some green on them. I treated all the trees the same.
I’m really hoping someone has a live Black Peak.
Simon
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Howdy everyone,
I'm selling yangmei seedlings at:
https://www.wildlandsplants.com/shop/p/myrica-rubra (https://www.wildlandsplants.com/shop/p/myrica-rubra)
Thanks for your support!
Don't forget to use the discount code: TFFISTHEBEST for 5% off.
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Haha, I love the discount code. I just placed my order. Thanks Nate!
Simon
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Awww man, I missed the code.
...Nate hooked me up with a retro discount. Thank you!
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Howdy everyone,
I'm selling yangmei seedlings at:
https://www.wildlandsplants.com/shop/p/myrica-rubra (https://www.wildlandsplants.com/shop/p/myrica-rubra)
Thanks for your support!
Don't forget to use the discount code: TFFISTHEBEST for 5% off.
Hi Nate, is it possible to share pics of the seedlings to get a feel how big they are? How old are they? Thanks
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Hi Nate, is it possible to share pics of the seedlings to get a feel how big they are? How old are they? Thanks
I just sent this message to Simon who asked the same question,
"The seedlings are pretty much reflected of whats in the picture on my website. There are a few in the bunch that are about 5-7" tall and most others are between 2-4" and stout with lots of healthy growth. They were transplanted from a community pot about 2 months ago, and I lost a ton! I had about 150 and now have 90! The die offs have stopped and I figured now would be a good time to get stable plants out.
I am wondering if the different growth rates may have some indication of gender? Just a random hypothesis, but I figured it's best if I randomly assign plants."
I can post some more pictures in a bit.
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Nate, do you know anything about the fruit/variety/quality of yangmei your seeds came from?
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PM sent
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Great post here gentlemen. It took me a bit to read all 23 pages and associated scientific links but very exciting to see a solid push to establish these plants here in the US in a more meaningful way. After sampling one from Simon, I am throwing in my support too. Ordered 3 seedlings from yesterdays order with Wildlands farms. Fingers crossed! Plenty of humidity where we are next to ocean but the soil conditions are interesting on this one. pH seems pretty low in their native environment. Here in San Diego, we have pretty terrible water but this should be fun.
Sounds like this group order was a massive pain to pull together. Happy to jump in if there is one in the future. Again... thanks to all for the many comments and updates. Keep up the good work!
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This plant I have been giving a lot of sun the last week or so and it started growing pretty quickly. I wanted to show this plant because you can see once the leaves harden off they turn a darker green. The new flush is lime green and looks chlorotic but it clears up once they have a month or so to harden off.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bZ7YDyM8/20210710-094504.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bZ7YDyM8)
Here's the An Hai that made a miracle comeback out of nowhere
(https://i.postimg.cc/QHPhwNj5/20210710-094437.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QHPhwNj5)
I have them out in the sun right now its 90F and 20%RH already at 10AM.
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Several years ago I decided variety black carbon had the best chance of fruiting in a tropical climate and had good fruit quality. A contact in Taiwan sent seeds but I didnt expect a kg of them. I spread them out to all takers the best I could and planted a few handfuls. About half came up. I have heard anecdotally that those I sent to sub tropical and cooler areas did very well. I didnt keep any in the end. I recently saw ones offloaded to an acquaintance and they were 4m high and had never flowered. I guess a costal 17 latitude climate is too warm for flowering but great for tree growth.
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Thanks for the info Mike!
I am hoping these trees will not be as difficult to grow as I once thought. It appears that newly sprouted seedlings have some issues after the first transplant into their individual pots and also the bare rooted trees have difficulty with surviving the international shipping and post potting care but they seem to be growing fine after that.
I just up potted my Biqi yesterday and it completely filled the pot it was in with fine feeder roots and a few of the older roots thickened up and began to lignify.
Simon
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From what I’ve heard and my brief experience with seedlings, many tend to die off in the first season for whatever reason. Those that survive into the 2nd season are pretty good survivors. The 2nd year ones I got from Marta were all pretty tough. Barerooting them for shipping didn’t seem to weaken them. One died but that was from not shading it during a bad heatwave.
There are some people in Chinese-language FB groups that want to join as well if there’s ever a future import, but they don’t want to handle the actual import. It takes a good deal of effort to pull it off and I’m glad people are able to revive a good number of them.
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Thanks for the information Fang! All the data gathered so far will be extremely useful in piecing together the next steps forward in growing and propagating Yangmei.
Does anyone know wether the growers at Calmei are growing their fruiting trees on Yangmei seedling, M.Californica or some other rootstocks?
Jason Nursery grafts onto Yangmei seedling rootstocks so one might believe this is the preferred rootstock but whom or from what country is their target clientele? Yangmei seedlings may be the best rootstock in China but with our high pH soil in my yard, I wonder if M. Californica might be a better rootstock?
Simon
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Grafted good varieties onto seedling Yangmei rootstock he grew in his backyard.
https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451 (https://www.californiabountiful.com/features/article.aspx?arID=2451)
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Thanks for the info Kaz! I wonder if Calmei is continuing to use seedling rootstock or if they found anything better like M. Californica or Cifera?
Simon
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Is M. Californica a good rootstock to use for grafting?
I haven't had any success so far with my grafts on the 1 gallon M. Californica, they are all dying.
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Sad to hear those grafts failed.
Going to try grafting onto yangemi seedlings and wax myrtle (morella cerifera) here.
Also, will try air layers.
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I think the native rootstocks are not really good to use but usable with lower success rates. I haven’t done a good comparison of them. I do know that most of my yangmei on yangmei grafts worked but most of my yangmei on M. cerifera and M. californica grafts failed. But it’s much harder to grow yangmei for rootstocks than to get the native ones. So I think we have to settle with that as the best option for now.
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I’m starting to have doubts M. Californica is a compatible rootstock for yangmei...if it is, it’s not a very good one. After initially pushing, all my Yangmei grafts on M. Californica died. I also have a friend that’s been trying to graft yangmei onto Californica for awhile with no luck. It’s like Fang says, it’ll look like they’re compatible because the scion will push, sometimes even for months, but it will eventually always dry up and die.
Shane, it would be awesome if you could do an experiment by grafting some scions from your male tree onto some M. Californica.
Natty, have you experimented with different rootstocks for your yangmei tree?
I believe yangmei rootstock is the only way to go for grafting yangmei scions. I hope someone can prove me wrong.
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I grafted like 6 really small scions from Shane onto three Californica's and the following is the only one that's still alive, which is a side veneer. Not sure if it's out of woods already but the graft union is healing so I am hopeful.
The other grafts died, along with the two Californica trees. It seems that Californica tends to give up on the entire branch (and tree) if all the rootstock buds are removed. For this reason, I recommend side veneer, and I suggest leaving some buds above and below the graft until you are sure that the graft takes. Be very careful - initial bud break doesn't mean much! You really need patience with Yangmei grafting.
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Ken, your graft looks good. I think it will survive. Have you tried grafting any scions from the purchased yangmei plants (An Hai, Bi Qui, etc) to the California and had success ?
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Ken, your graft looks good. I think it will survive. Have you tried grafting any scions from the purchased yangmei plants (An Hai, Bi Qui, etc) to the California and had success ?
Yes I did, but all of them failed. Big difference between fresh scions from Shane and the scions from the imported plants. For the fresh scions, each grafted pushed out some buds, none from the imported ones.
Had I used side veneer and kept the trees alive, I think I would've had better successes on the fresh scions.
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Yes, I agree. When my small buds/branches grows more on the An Hai, I will try to micrograft to the Californica for one last try before I give up on it since I have 5 rootstock plants. Yes, I got the same results as you, but I left all the new shoots/buds on the rootstock so when my grafted branch died, I was able to cut off just the branch before it killed the entire plant.
I purchased a few seedling grown yangmei so I will graft onto those later when the plant grows out more next year. It may be the best bet.
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I grafted like 6 really small scions from Shane onto three Californica's and the following is the only one that's still alive, which is a side veneer. Not sure if it's out of woods already but the graft union is healing so I am hopeful.
The other grafts died, along with the two Californica trees. It seems that Californica tends to give up on the entire branch (and tree) if all the rootstock buds are removed. For this reason, I recommend side veneer, and I suggest leaving some buds above and below the graft until you are sure that the graft takes. Be very careful - initial bud break doesn't mean much! You really need patience with Yangmei grafting.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HJVQ9Lt4/318-D0678-CD3-E-420-F-ACB9-2-F36-F5-EFA922.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HJVQ9Lt4)
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Hey Ken nice work, looking great, so far...when did you graft the side veneer? Looking forward to seeing the progress!
Thanks for sharing.
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Hi Nate, I grafted it on may 2nd.
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Ken, that is awesome progress on the graft!
I just put a couple bud grafts, two side cleft grafts, one approach graft and one air layer on my Yangmei and M. Californica rootstock. Hopefully at least one of these will take.
Simon
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Nice Simon! Stoked you did all those different grafts, should give us a good idea of what works and what doesn’t. The only grafts I attempted, and failed at, were cleft grafts.
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All 3 of my trees from group buy had side veneer grafts.
Just look at your trees.
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The different trees may have had different grafts because my trees appear to have Z grafts on them.
Simon
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They look like modified cleft graft to me. But what works for Yangmei to Yangmei may not work well for Yangmei to Californica.
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How about air layering when plants are larger? Think that might be the way to go for propagation.
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How about air layering when plants are larger? Think that might be the way to go for propagation.
I read somewhere that Yangmei roots very slowly (like 6 months in controlled environments). I hope Simon’s AL experiment works.
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Ken, it does look like a modified cleft graft.
I received my Yangmei seedlings from Wildlands farm and nursery yesterday and Nate did a great job packaging the plants. The seedlings look like they’re several months old and about 3 inches tall. Although these seedlings cost as much as the grafted plants we received from China, it’s worth the time saved in acquiring and sprouting these seeds myself which can take over a year.
I hope to grow out these seedlings and then graft the named varieties onto them once they reach the appropriate size. Here are a few pictures.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LJTjnJpv/353-EBBB5-A1-D3-4836-8-A75-694-A71-B7-B5-CC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJTjnJpv)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZC68zfsG/49-FBFB2-A-3-F28-42-A1-99-BB-AAD703-A4544-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZC68zfsG)
Simon
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Received mine yesterday too, nice and healthy.
Concur that its worthwhile, multiple sources sure helps achieve having at least one tree. Maybe we did things just a bit out of order as the train of thought you all have posted, seedlings first as potential root stock then tree/scions second. Now its time for them to grow and be ready.
You guys rock! I'm not as clueless about sub tropical fruits after reading stuff here for the past year.
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I cracked open several seeds from the fresh Yangmei I ate recently and was able to extract the kernel inside. I just planted them yesterday and hope they will sprout in a month or less Vs 1+ years if I didn’t remove the hard outer seed.
Simon
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today my yangmai was transplanted into the ground. It didnt have a ton of roots yet but Im hopeful it will take in its new spot. its fully exposed to all day sun no obstructions. i put 90% aluminet cover on it for now. 70% would have been better but all I hd was 90 aluminum. Ill switch to 70% in a few weeks if all is well then drop to 50% hopefully if the tree starts flushing well.
(https://i.postimg.cc/n9bCM68M/20210717-123454.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/n9bCM68M)
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That’s so cool.
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Nate, your plants looks good, really grew a lot in a few weeks.
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Brad, that tree will hopefully take off in the ground. I see there’s a rootstock sucker as well so hopefully it’s a male! I’m going to get my trees into ground after i complete my experiments.
Simon
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Nate, your tree is looking really healthy. Keep up the great growing everyone!
Simon
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Thanks guys. It’s all about that dyna gro and iron Simon! 👍🏽
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Received mine yesterday too, nice and healthy.
Concur that its worthwhile, multiple sources sure helps achieve having at least one tree. Maybe we did things just a bit out of order as the train of thought you all have posted, seedlings first as potential root stock then tree/scions second. Now its time for them to grow and be ready.
You guys rock! I'm not as clueless about sub tropical fruits after reading stuff here for the past year.
(https://i.postimg.cc/xk28VG8s/Screenshot-20210715-150917-Gallery.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xk28VG8s)
Ken, it does look like a modified cleft graft.
I received my Yangmei seedlings from Wildlands farm and nursery yesterday and Nate did a great job packaging the plants. The seedlings look like they’re several months old and about 3 inches tall. Although these seedlings cost as much as the grafted plants we received from China, it’s worth the time saved in acquiring and sprouting these seeds myself which can take over a year.
I hope to grow out these seedlings and then graft the named varieties onto them once they reach the appropriate size. Here are a few pictures.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LJTjnJpv/353-EBBB5-A1-D3-4836-8-A75-694-A71-B7-B5-CC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJTjnJpv)
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Simon
East coast will not be left behind. I just ordered two!
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looks great, its about to take off. which type is yours?
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It’s Black Peak.....psyche! (Haha remember that...) Naw it’s just Biqi.
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Very nice new growth!
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Group shot
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2 Biqi and 3 seedlings from Nate.
Big one is going in ground soon.
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Hi all,
I just brought 3 seedlings from Nat, should I transplant them to a bigger pot when I received them or let them grow a bit before transplant?
Thanks,
Al
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I left mine in the pot they came in. I want to settle them down to recover from the shipping before up potting them.
Simon
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I left mine in the pot they came in. I want to settle them down to recover from the shipping before up potting them.
Simon
Thanks Simon......
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I let my seedling recover for 2 days, then carefully removed the plant with soil for transplant to larger pot. If you cut the corners of the pot, you can carefully remove the whole plant without disturbing the soil. Just drop it in a large whole in the pot and no problem.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pr9gfh6S/Yangmei-pot1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/m1sXRDR3)
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Thanks SC4001992.
After reading more info online. Myrica cerifera is compatible for grafted. Myrica californica is not.
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I believe both are compatible but Cerifera may be preferred. Of the rootstocks available, it would appear that Yangmei seedling rootstock is best but hardest to acquire.
In the USA, Cerifera or Californica may be better able to adapt to our high pH soil but Shane was able to grow out his seedling Yangmei without any issues with the soil.
I guess we just don’t have enough data and we need everyone to report their experiences so we can systematically progress. We will fruit these trees here, it’s just a matter of time.
Simon
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The following link I believed is related to Yunfei Chen yangmei introduction.
https://image.hanspub.org/html/1-2210081_16972.htm
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The following link I believed is related to Yunfei Chen yangmei introduction.
https://image.hanspub.org/html/1-2210081_16972.htm
It’s an excellent article if you can read chinese. Try google translate.
It did mention that both the cerifera & Californica are graft compatible with Yangmei.
It also mentioned that Yangmei grafted in Feb 2014 formed flower buds in summer/fall of 2014, with flower bloom in feb 2015. They grafted on Yangmei seedlings, and Biqi grafts were more vigorous than dongkui.
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Thanks for all the research and info everyone!
Picked up a bundle of m. cerifera off Etsy. They were smaller than expected, but grow fast. Will eventually experiment grafting onto these.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LJ9m7nvs/mcerifera72021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJ9m7nvs)
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Apparently there is another rootstock that can be used for Yangmei, M Pennsylvanica.
Check out this video for hints on how we might be better able to grow this fruit
https://youtu.be/QyqQagZM_6Y
Simon
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There’s actually a 4th Myrica that might work. A Taiwanese guy blogged about this in Chinese many years ago.
I can never remember the name of it. Myrica gale. It’s not talked about at all in English.
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I guess M. gale is not that promising, looking at the native range. https://fourthcornernurseries.com/plant/myrica-gale/
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I have some Myrica esculenta plants I may try grafting on things/on to in the future
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Hi beicadad,
is there any chance that you will do it again? I missed this. I would like to order 2 of each. I didn't realize this is for 杨梅 when I looked at the topic.
Thanks,
Al
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I'd be in line for a second buy too, Ken - since I jumped on board too late to take part in the Norcal relay that would've gotten my plants up here a few months back. I'd likely be up for purchasing at least one each of the 4 varieties made available last time. Keep us posted if you're willing - I may be able to be the relay guy for the North Central Coast growers who are interested - especially if Nate is busy on the farm next time around.
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Received my seedlings from Nat today. Finger cross. Hope I can get some fruits 6 years later.
(https://i.ibb.co/86ZS43w/20210728-190803.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GcSb3wD)
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I had not looked at the biqi since planting it a week or 2 ago. checked it out today and it has started to take off already under the 90% shade. Ill swap it to 70% soon. It looks like it wants to grow fast.
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Awesome Brad, I’ll definitely peep them out at the fruit party.
It’s still early for my grafts but out of two side cleft grafts, one has dried up and the other looks good.
I put on three bud grafts on M. Californica and one has definitely dried up and two look good so far. I believe at least one of the two remaining bud grafts is good because the leaf petiole dried up and segmented off while the bud is still green.
As for the other bud graft, both the leaf petiole and the bud is green.
The innarch of Yangmei onto M. californica looks good so far and the union is callousing over. There is new growth on the innarched branch of both the Yangmei and californica.
Simon
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I'd be in line for a second buy too, Ken - since I jumped on board too late to take part in the Norcal relay that would've gotten my plants up here a few months back. I'd likely be up for purchasing at least one each of the 4 varieties made available last time. Keep us posted if you're willing - I may be able to be the relay guy for the North Central Coast growers who are interested - especially if Nate is busy on the farm next time around.
Sorry for the late response. I’ve not been checking the forum very often.
Import is a pain in the butt and the worst case is total loss (USDA can destroy all trees if they find something they don’t like). That being said, I’m thinking about a second one in the winter - it looks like I may not have a tree surviving myself this time…
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Ken, that's terrible if you end up with no surviving plant after all this work you did for everyone and you ending up with none.
I have my 2 An Hai plants that are growing well, if you end up with none making it then I will give you one of my plants.
The reason I purchased these last call rootstock was after reading about all the work you did, and then you ending up with some extra plants because people who committed to buy backed out on you.
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I'd be in line for a second buy too, Ken - since I jumped on board too late to take part in the Norcal relay that would've gotten my plants up here a few months back. I'd likely be up for purchasing at least one each of the 4 varieties made available last time. Keep us posted if you're willing - I may be able to be the relay guy for the North Central Coast growers who are interested - especially if Nate is busy on the farm next time around.
Sorry for the late response. I’ve not been checking the forum very often.
Import is a pain in the butt and the worst case is total loss (USDA can destroy all trees if they find something they don’t like). That being said, I’m thinking about a second one in the winter - it looks like I may not have a tree surviving myself this time…
I will be interested since I missed out last time, I would encourage you post it in the sale section of this forum, people hardly look here when they want new plants.
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I'd be in line for a second buy too, Ken - since I jumped on board too late to take part in the Norcal relay that would've gotten my plants up here a few months back. I'd likely be up for purchasing at least one each of the 4 varieties made available last time. Keep us posted if you're willing - I may be able to be the relay guy for the North Central Coast growers who are interested - especially if Nate is busy on the farm next time around.
Sorry for the late response. I’ve not been checking the forum very often.
Import is a pain in the butt and the worst case is total loss (USDA can destroy all trees if they find something they don’t like). That being said, I’m thinking about a second one in the winter - it looks like I may not have a tree surviving myself this time…
I will be interested since I missed out last time, I would encourage you post it in the sale section of this forum, people hardly look here when they want new plants.
That is a good point, I think I missed it because it is not on the sale section.
I am looking forward the 2rd order.
Thanks,
Al
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I came in late.
Not sure where I can get the seeds or plants in Florida.
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just switched the shade from 90% to 70% overhead and 30% on the sides. It should really start to grow now its seems happy wnough here even though its super hot and dry and windy.
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Ken, that's terrible if you end up with no surviving plant after all this work you did for everyone and you ending up with none.
I have my 2 An Hai plants that are growing well, if you end up with none making it then I will give you one of my plants.
The reason I purchased these last call rootstock was after reading about all the work you did, and then you ending up with some extra plants because people who committed to buy backed out on you.
Kaz, it’s very kind of you! I’m still not giving it up yet on my remaining An Hai. Also, it seems that nobody is successful with dongkui and black peak this time.
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The following link I believed is related to Yunfei Chen yangmei introduction.
https://image.hanspub.org/html/1-2210081_16972.htm
It’s an excellent article if you can read chinese. Try google translate.
It did mention that both the cerifera & Californica are graft compatible with Yangmei.
It also mentioned that Yangmei grafted in Feb 2014 formed flower buds in summer/fall of 2014, with flower bloom in feb 2015. They grafted on Yangmei seedlings, and Biqi grafts were more vigorous than dongkui.
I have a copy of this in English if someone can tell me how to post a .pdf
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Sorry for long radio silence. Been over on the ourfigs.com forum, preoccupied with battling the Black Fig Fruit Fly arrival in SoCal.
Apparently I wasn't the only one whose Dong Kui never made it out of the starting gate. If I had bothered reading Yunfei Chen's article first, I might not have bothered ordering it. Alas, my Biqi graft never showed any life but the seedling rootstock it was on is doing great. I hope to nurture it long enough that it will be graftable someday.
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A little bit of promising news and a quick update of my Yangmei. I’ve moved my An Hai and Biqi plants into my grow tent in order to control the environment better for my grafting experiments.
On 07/11/21, I put on two side cleft grafts, three bud grafts and one approach graft of my Biqi onto M. Californica. On the same day, I put on one air layer on my An Hai.
After approximately two weeks, it appeared that one of my side cleft grafts were growing but having never grafted Yangmei, I unwrapped one side cleft because I was afraid the growth would not be strong enough to push through the Buddytape. It appeared there was some growth so I decided to leave the Buddytape off instead of re wrapping it but after about three days, I noticed the scion dried up.
At about week 2.5, I decided to unwrap the second side cleft graft and it is still green and it looks like the union has healed up and the buds look like they are enlarged but have not pushed yet. The green tip was manhandled by me and I may have accidentally squished it a bit to hard just handling it while grafting.
I did green wood grafting and the wood I used was very fragile. This is very different from working with lignified wood and you have to be very gentle when handling the green wood and ensure it does not dry out.
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The scion looks pretty bad but at least there’s hope with this one.
Simon
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I got some cuttings from Shane and this one seems to have flower buds form on the top already. According to the article by Yunfei Yangmei forms flower buds in summer/fall and I think this is what I’m seeing.
Only the buds on the top look like this. The other buds below looks just like regular vegetative ones.
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As for my three bud grafts, the first bud I removed was just for practice. When I cut into my M Californica, I noticed the bark was slipping so I thought I might as well try a bud graft. The first bud I removed was dropped two times and it took me several minutes to find it in all the leaf litter and soil. The buds are so tiny that if you drop them, you might as well just select another bud because it may have dried too much by the time you find it. This was confirmed when I decided to just use this first bud anyways. About one week after grafting, I noticed that the entire bud and leaf petiole stub was dried up. It appears that when you bud graft with younger green buds, the failed grafts turn brown pretty quickly.
At about two weeks after bud grafting my second and third bud grafts, one of the petiole stubs dried up on one of the bud grafts but the bud remained green. From previous experience grafting other fruit trees, this is usually a good sign! On 08/10/21 so approximately one month after the bud grafting, I noticed that the bud graft that had the petiole stub fall off was pushing its bud.
This is the graft I’m most excited about because it uses the least amount of plant material. Even though we know that cleft, side cleft and modified cleft grafts work, they use up too much wood. One scion for a regular cleft graft may contain 10 or more buds and if the graft fails, you lose all those buds.
With the bud grafts, you only lose that one bud if the graft fails. Anyways, here’s the bud graft that looks promising so far. You may notice the huge scar from bud grafting. It appears that M Californica leaves huge scars so it may be wise to make the smallest incisions possible that will fit the bud.
I’m surprised it takes a whole month for the bud to push but the bud I used was not swollen, it was just a tiny dot. I didn’t use a swollen bud because others have mentioned that if the graft pushes too fast, it usually dies. I guess this may not apply to bud grafts but who knows. Next time I will try a bud graft with a swollen bud. Maybe it will push faster.
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Simon
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My approach graft of Biqi onto M Californica seems to have calloused over the best. The union is completely formed and the swelling has started to burst the Buddytape.
I will soon begin making incremental cuts on the Biqi rootstock and M Californica top in order to gradually decrease dependence on the portion of the plants that I will eventually be severing.
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Simon
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Great job!
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Nice work Simon, your the man along with Fang!! Beautiful pic's too! 8)
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Thanks everyone,
Here is a picture of the approach graft after I made a 33% depth cut on the M. Californica rootstock tip and a 20% depth cut on the Biqi scion.
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Simon
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Simon you’ve made remarkable progresses! Both the bud and the approach grafts look very promising
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Thanks Ken!
The bud graft is looking really good and based on the tiny size of the bud I used, there is no way possible that the push is from stored energy from that tiny bud. The bud is pushing more everyday and I will soon remove the top of the M. Californica support branch so that all the energy will be diverted to the Biqi bud.
Simon
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The approach graft was getting girdled as it expands so I decided to remove the Buddytape.
(https://i.postimg.cc/r0TB2Npj/41-FB91-B4-9089-4-F3-E-899-E-0593-E54995-D3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r0TB2Npj)
(https://i.postimg.cc/DJctv4JT/5-B2-DBB65-93-CE-4362-A08-B-1-BCE1-BFD2824.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DJctv4JT)
I also snapped the top of the Californica branch to redirect the energy towards the Biqi graft
Simon
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The side cleft graft has healed up decently but nothing pushing yet. There are three buds that look like they may push soon.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FdjJ7NNm/149-F2-FA8-0-C2-A-4-CF4-ADD1-767-D97334-CAF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FdjJ7NNm)
(https://i.postimg.cc/WFRkNhRX/B8-E30-B09-BD49-4-A71-AD8-C-70-C8-D2086-DE4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WFRkNhRX)
Simon
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The bud graft is pushing about 5 tiny leaves now
(https://i.postimg.cc/LJctXyLt/95-E4483-C-7375-488-F-AC6-A-024-B37-CB8281.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJctXyLt)
(https://i.postimg.cc/bZD0qXDY/9-D5-D4-F17-95-A0-4-D95-AE48-CFC8-D9-D0-CB77.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bZD0qXDY)
Simon
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Howdy everyone,
I've got a small bunch of Yangmei available again in my store.
www.wildlandsplants.com (http://www.wildlandsplants.com)
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The bud graft is pushing about 5 tiny leaves now
(https://i.postimg.cc/LJctXyLt/95-E4483-C-7375-488-F-AC6-A-024-B37-CB8281.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJctXyLt)
(https://i.postimg.cc/bZD0qXDY/9-D5-D4-F17-95-A0-4-D95-AE48-CFC8-D9-D0-CB77.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bZD0qXDY)
Simon
Wow Simon, this is incredible. Very nice job!
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Simon, very nice looking grafts, congrats !
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Thanks Kaz! I’m hopeful but after reading through the Yangmei group, I realize that there were many people that were initially successful with Yangmei grafts only to have them die later. They seem to like to spontaneously die just when you think you got it right.
I’m using some different techniques, testing different soils, different pH, fertilizers so hopefully I can figure it out. I won’t consider myself successful until I’ve successfully fruited and harvested Yangmei.
Simon
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Howdy everyone,
I've got a small bunch of Yangmei available again in my store.
www.wildlandsplants.com (http://www.wildlandsplants.com)
Nate, the seedlings I got from you were super healthy! I got them infested with Spider mites but I took care of the problem and they’re bouncing back nicely. In the month I’ve had them, they’ve doubled in size already at 5-6 inches tall for the bigger seedlings and the largest leaves are 5.5 inches long already.
Two of my seedlings are growing very vigorously and the other two are growing very slowly. I read on the Yangmei group that the more vigorous seedlings are likely to be males and the slower ones, and typically the ones that die easier, are females.
If this is true, I may have two males and two females.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QV1snVW1/07-EE9-DDB-E1-E5-4-B03-BCBF-CD30049532-A2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QV1snVW1)
(https://i.postimg.cc/87PS5HXm/2024-DAC7-D855-48-EE-A82-C-C5-CD63-E257-E9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/87PS5HXm)
Simon
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You can see the size differences between the two smaller vs the two larger seedlings.
(https://i.postimg.cc/sQ58KQ02/8-A69-A189-F0-DB-4-C42-B499-963-F1-CB2-B478.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQ58KQ02)
Simon
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Wow, is that true? All my 3 seedlings from Nat didn't grow much.
That mean I get 3 female.
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I must have 3 females, my plants are growing very slowly. Also the leaves are not as large as Simon's plants.
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Great preliminary results Simon! Blaze the trail brother.
So, what are thoughts on these regarding gender:
3 seedlings from Nate. They look the same to me, with the top one being a little smaller. Thinking 2+ maybe male.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CByxLSW3/yangmeiseedlings82021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CByxLSW3)
Biqi with rootstock, which looks like it could be male to me, with big leaves and vigorous growth.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5Q4Ybfzx/Yangmei-Biqi82021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5Q4Ybfzx)
Biqi trio. Reuniting, it feels so good.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4nfmKNKG/Yangmei-Biqi-Trio82021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nfmKNKG)
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It would be interesting to test that and see what the plants are with some testing! (or time if we remember when they start flowering, haha.) Glad to hear they are doing good and glad that nobodies has died yet (that I know of). I haven't had any plants die since the shipment so they have been pretty stable which is really great.
I have had them all in FoxFarm Ocean Forest and making sure that they stay wet enough where the lower and top do not dry out too much. I had been watering them sparingly at first and that's when I was losing a lot of plants, moisture seems to be important for the young plants, although, not too much to waterlog the plant. I'm wondering what the best course of action is for planting them out (last year I stepped into 3's from Marta's and they did very well). I might try to put some in the ground on irrigation.
I was deciding whether or not to keep some plants for myself but I have a bunch of irrigation to put in so I need the money to expand my plantings... haha. I might have a couple that will stick around and will probably get them tested if they survive transplant into whatever I do next.
I have some big Myrica californica and Ceanothus thrysiflorus (has Frankia spp.) on my property, so should probably be able to cultivate the bacteria and incorporate it into my plantings
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Pink turtle, Kaz and Rob,
I’m completely new to Yangmei so I’m just guessing at this point but based on research from what Marta Matvienko posted on the Yangmei group, the female plants are more susceptible to dying off and are slower growers. The males are more vigorous and tend to survive. Marta is a geneticist that runs DNA testing on leaf sample and determines the sex by looking at specific sex related DNA markers if I remember correctly.
She’s sexed many plants for people already and her customers have overwhelmingly reported back that the female have died for some reason but the males survived. Her customers also reported the stark difference in growth rates of her seedlings that were pre sexed.
If your plants are still in the slow growth phase, it will be too difficult to guess at the sex. I think the plants need to get at least twice the size in order to make a more educated guess. If you see one or more seedlings grown under the exact same conditions that are growing at roughly double the rate of other plants, there is an increased likelihood that the more vigorous seedling is male and the slower growing plant is a female. You need to see a difference in growth rate in order to make an educated guess.
Marta mentioned that when she sexed her seedlings, they were roughly 50% male to 50% female.
Simon
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It would be interesting to test that and see what the plants are with some testing! (or time if we remember when they start flowering, haha.) Glad to hear they are doing good and glad that nobodies has died yet (that I know of). I haven't had any plants die since the shipment so they have been pretty stable which is really great.
I have had them all in FoxFarm Ocean Forest and making sure that they stay wet enough where the lower and top do not dry out too much. I had been watering them sparingly at first and that's when I was losing a lot of plants, moisture seems to be important for the young plants, although, not too much to waterlog the plant. I'm wondering what the best course of action is for planting them out (last year I stepped into 3's from Marta's and they did very well). I might try to put some in the ground on irrigation.
I was deciding whether or not to keep some plants for myself but I have a bunch of irrigation to put in so I need the money to expand my plantings... haha. I might have a couple that will stick around and will probably get them tested if they survive transplant into whatever I do next.
I have some big Myrica californica and Ceanothus thrysiflorus (has Frankia spp.) on my property, so should probably be able to cultivate the bacteria and incorporate it into my plantings
Nate, from the root research I’ve done, gradually stepping them up in pot size is the best way to go. Or if you can get them into the ground, People that have planted their plants directly into the ground had better survivability compared to plants that were kept in pots.
Simon
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Great preliminary results Simon! Blaze the trail brother.
So, what are thoughts on these regarding gender:
3 seedlings from Nate. They look the same to me, with the top one being a little smaller. Thinking 2+ maybe male.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CByxLSW3/yangmeiseedlings82021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CByxLSW3)
Biqi with rootstock, which looks like it could be male to me, with big leaves and vigorous growth.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5Q4Ybfzx/Yangmei-Biqi82021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5Q4Ybfzx)
Biqi trio. Reuniting, it feels so good.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4nfmKNKG/Yangmei-Biqi-Trio82021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nfmKNKG)
Rob, the rootstock suckers from the grafted trees from China are different. The rootstock suckers will require DNA testing because there is no control plant to compare it against. Those rootstock suckers are extremely vigorous because they are older seedlings with a mature root system. Also, there was at least one article I read somewhere that mentioned that in China, they sometimes use wild Yangmei seedlings as rootstocks because they were more vigorous.
My Biqi rootstock suckers are crazy vigorous and the biggest of the three have grown about two feet long already with 7+ inch long leaves
(https://i.postimg.cc/gXBFNKwP/CBDB8288-636-F-4-F57-A8-D8-0-C4473-C5-A4-B8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXBFNKwP)
Simon
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I should also mention that sex guesstimating is just a guess and you should get your plants tested to confirm. The seedlings are random seeds and some of the seedlings may just have the genetic advantages of accelerated growth or some of the seedlings may come from larger seeds which may or may not give it more energy to grow faster. Some varieties like DongKui are very large and have correspondingly larger seeds compared to Biqi which is a smaller fruit with smaller seeds.
I’m just trying to say that you shouldn’t be too surprised if your more vigorous seedling turns out to be female or if your weaker seedling is a male.
It’s kinda funny that many of us from this recent group buy are hoping that we get a male seedling or rootstock sucker so that we have a pollinator for our grafted females.
On the Facebook group, most the people are trying to get females because they ordered one sexed male and one sexed female from Marta and everyone’s females died out.
Simon
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I should also mention that sex guesstimating is just a guess and you should get your plants tested to confirm. The seedlings are random seeds and some of the seedlings may just have the genetic advantages of accelerated growth or some of the seedlings may come from larger seeds which may or may not give it more energy to grow faster. Some varieties like DongKui are very large and have correspondingly larger seeds compared to Biqi which is a smaller fruit with smaller seeds.
I’m just trying to say that you shouldn’t be too surprised if your more vigorous seedling turns out to be female or if your weaker seedling is a male.
It’s kinda funny that many of us from this recent group buy are hoping that we get a male seedling or rootstock sucker so that we have a pollinator for our grafted females.
On the Facebook group, most the people are trying to get females because they ordered one sexed male and one sexed female from Marta and everyone’s females died out.
Simon
Good points. Lots of assumptions being made without solid evidence. Not a gambler, but fun trying to pick right and roll the dice.
With dioecious species, I'm always happy first to have female, then figure male out later. Since they both are necessary, probably illogical reasoning.
Seems like figuring out grafting and air layering is the key. If one group has lots of males, and the other females, could be need for a yangmei dating service. Whatever the case, the FB yangmei group could benefit from some assistance, and perhaps we could be helped by them as well.
If I don't have a male between the 3 seedlings and 3 rootstocks currently growing, would be surprised. Getting some different genetics in the mix is an interesting idea though.
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Ok, I'll make another guess on the seedling from Nate. I looked at my plants closer after reviewing Simon's and Rob's.
It looks like I have 2 small males and 1 small female plant. Maybe in 6 months it will show the difference more. I can see the female (?) leaves seems to look smaller than the male leaves.
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I have 6 different plants to sex with Marta. Can we do a group order on sexing (sounds NSFW, sorry about that)?
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I already contacted Marta since I have gathered 11 plants that are ready to be sexed but Marta said it’s too hot now and she wanted me to wait till Fall to send in the samples.
She processes them in minimum orders of 10 samples. She may be able to process fewer samples but it will likely be more expensive.
I would really like to know the sex of my plants now since my grafts are looking so promising. I have special transportation bags made of Mylar that reflects heat that I can use to protect the samples from heat damage but she’s the expert so I’ll gladly wait till Fall.
Simon
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(https://i.postimg.cc/MvGKZ0XR/631-A36-BE-AEC4-4002-A4-D1-B727-F5-D415-E8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MvGKZ0XR)
This rootstock didn’t like being in full sun and against a brown shed.
I moved it.
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At least the rootstock is still alive. Several people on the Yangmei group advised that these trees be planted into the ground sooner rather than later. It’s easier to control the perched water table in ground as opposed to a pot.
Once I’m done with my experiments, I’m going to stick my trees into the ground.
Simon
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If you plant them in ground, what do you think is the best spot, direct sun, partial shade, or shade only ?
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I’m going to plant mine in full sun but I’m going to build a shade structure over it. I will need the shade to protect the young trees from excessive heat. If temps are below 90F I probably won’t even use the shade. This is after I adapt the trees to full sun.
For most of the year, I don’t intend to use the shade but a shade structure may be useful when the trees begin fruiting. Once the fruit begin to form, a shade structure can prevent desiccation and hold in a bit more humidity and increase fruit quality.
It’s better to have a shade structure ready and not need it rather than needing it and not having it.
Simon
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My fears have actualized; turns out parrots enjoy yangmei.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8J2tBLYt/yangmeiparrot8252021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8J2tBLYt)
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Grow more to feed that parrot.
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Need to grow more furniture too. She eats that as well. Not much she doesn't eat.
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Haha, pretty bird. Its got salad to munch on while it waits for those darn Yangmei to fruit. Oh Rob, you think you have issues now, wait till you get fruit in the coming years.
Simon
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Thanks Simon!
Yep, saw a couple of pairs of macaws fly over yesterday, and hear them often. If they catch on to the yangmei, going to be a problem. Hopefully they'll save some for me.
Popped this puppy in ground finally. Watering and shading a bit. If it handles the limestone well, will add a friend soon.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7f8QV5jm/yangmeigrounded8282021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7f8QV5jm)
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Hey Rob,
Looking good so far!
I severed my approach graft last night and I’m really hoping I didn’t kill it. It was approach grafted on 07/11/21 and completely severed/removed on 08/28/21 so approximately 7 weeks from start to finish. I usually leave my approach grafts on for 3-4 months but I want to see what the minimum amount of time required is.
The approach grafted Biqi scion has secondary branches sprouting out but they were already pushing when still attached to the Biqi plant. If this approach graft fails, I should know in about two weeks or less. The scion is so huge that the small union will not be able to support the large scion for very long if the graft failed.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qg8RY4jp/24-D7-E12-A-02-B1-4874-A950-88-D95-BCBA391.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qg8RY4jp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZvF5yxCW/4-FEFA58-C-8807-4-F4-E-A69-F-16-AE952-C01-CC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZvF5yxCW)
Simon
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Hope everyone’s plants are doing well. It’s 107 at my place right now. I have dead corn stalks protecting my plant from Marta and a couple of M. ceriferas. Hope it turns out okay.
My grafted californica finally died though. I think it’s from my outdoor sink water pouring directly over the plant. I must have moved the pipe there by mistake recently.
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Hey Fang,
My approach grafted Biqi Yangmei onto M. Californica rootstock was successful. The graft union was completely severed about 3 weeks ago and the secondary shoots are elongating and the leaves are expanding.
Grafting Yangmei is a pain in the rear. I tried to pull some nice buds from my Biqi tree and removing a few buds was enough to damage the branch to the point where the branch snapped in half where I removed the buds. The branches are pretty brittle if you try to push the growth too much.
Here’s a picture of my Biqi after removing about 12-14 inches off the ends of the longest branches for my grafting experiments.
(https://i.postimg.cc/w1rSp2LX/8992-FBC3-0-F11-4451-A53-D-7-B98058424-A4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w1rSp2LX)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Fdyq0Qqp/BD45-A36-F-FCA9-4-D2-A-8-E91-B10-B4-D4-AEB15.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Fdyq0Qqp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/67GF5ZfD/D4-CE7-DF6-A59-A-441-D-862-B-2-BE637-BE3699.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/67GF5ZfD)
Simon
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Amazing growth Simon! Your plant looks very healthy.
How often do you fert?
Mine are way behind.
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Hey Rob,
I fertilize at a minimum once every 2 weeks after I’ve used up the nutrients in the soil. I’m currently using a 50/50 mixture of Foxfarm Ocean Forest/Happy Frog for my soil mix and it has a lot of fertilizer in it already so when I first transplant into my new soil, I don’t fertilize for the first month to 6 weeks because the nutrients in the soil can easily sustain it.
If you fertilize when there’s still a lot of nutrients in the soil, you can burn your plants. I have a couple Yangmei grafted onto M. Californica growing in Promix HP/BX and these have little or no added fertilizer so I would fertilize these with Osmocote Plus as a staple fertilizer and then give it chelated iron whenever the leaves start yellowing.
If you want to encourage Frankia actinomycetes, giving your tree less Nitrogen may encourage faster colonization but your leaves will be more chlorotic because Yangmei seems to like Nitrogen.
Simon
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Here’s a quick update on my Yangmei seedlings from Nate. When I received them around July 15, they were approximately 3 inches tall, to see a picture of how they looked when I first received them, check out Page 24, reply # 584. They have been growing for about 2.5 months now and the tallest seedling is between 15-17 inches tall with the largest leaves almost 8 inches long.
Two of the bigger plants are about twice the size of the smallest plant with one tree being intermediate in size.
I should have up potted these trees 2-3 weeks ago but have been too busy, hopefully they’ll be up potted by next week. Secondary branches are growing nicely on these seedlings.
(https://i.postimg.cc/YjH44NzJ/057-F3-EA0-DB56-403-A-8-A2-D-51545-DA27-EEF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YjH44NzJ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/HVLk56cP/5-E3-BD63-D-C6-DA-4-BA5-8-CCB-8553-F63-DFD43.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HVLk56cP)
Simon
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More pics of seedlings
(https://i.postimg.cc/Jt296xYF/5-DADEE78-FD70-4959-A82-C-E323-CB5-F9577.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jt296xYF)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vr73cWfd/BA3-E416-C-516-C-47-EC-9-D66-85-A43895-C1-A2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Vr73cWfd)
Hmm, something wrong with post image, I can only upload 2 pictures at a time
Simon
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More
(https://i.postimg.cc/kBx0J58v/0617-E7-B4-A03-C-463-D-8-AA3-C99-E4-EF8-FDB6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kBx0J58v)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0bRg1S6N/186-C6-EA0-BD3-B-451-C-859-A-AE6-DC3-ED95-EE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0bRg1S6N)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0KSLJk4x/37439-EE1-2913-4-E08-8687-CDB3-FC8-F7-CA4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0KSLJk4x)
(https://i.postimg.cc/4YsrmTQk/8449-FE5-B-2-DD6-4-F98-B5-FF-5149815-CDA1-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4YsrmTQk)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vgkJBg33/E3-C584-C7-5322-402-C-977-E-2770-CF99095-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vgkJBg33)
Simon
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Heres the latest on my biqi. It started to flush then got hit with a dry wind the other day it looks like a few soft leaves curled up abut otherwise seems ok. Just growing slowly. Havent done anything to it since planting it.
(https://i.ibb.co/tP30qmS/20211017-131453.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tP30qmS)
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Here’s a 3 month update of my Yangmei seedlings from Nate. The tallest plant has grown from 3inches to over 24 inches. The seedlings are also producing multiple secondary branches that are growing extremely fast. They were growing in a #1 pot and I just transplanted them into a #2 pot. <br />(https://i.ibb.co/Wtfsg39/EC1-A4-B4-B-4233-487-D-BD08-98-FC8716385-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Wtfsg39)<br />
Rootball of seedlings after removal from #1 pot<br />(https://i.ibb.co/CPhwQvy/E03628-E1-CC2-F-4-E30-B3-DF-0-A58-FC55-F69-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CPhwQvy)<br />
Simon
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Brad, that’s awesome you have them adapted to full sun. I bet the roots are growing out so hopefully it’ll take off next year once it gets more established. Thanks for the picture!
Simon
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I had a shade on it most of summer and just ditched the shade a few weeks ago since it seems like the worst of it is over. Although it was 0% RH and 92F and super windy here a few days ago and it took pretty well.
I put a few chicken turds on it today and will start fertilizing more in spring, it should take off next year.
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Here’s a quick update of my original Biqi from the group buy. It’s quite big now and I should have up potted it a long time ago but I’ve been too busy so it’s been stuck in a #5 pot for much too long. I finally up potted it this week. The entire pot was completely jam packed with roots so I had to carefully untangle roots that were beginning to circle and also cut some roots. Hopefully it doesn’t shock the plant too much. Here’s the rootball
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/nQtKhLt/1973-B905-D110-425-E-80-DA-19-A9-C6-EDF059.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nQtKhLt)<br /><br />(https://i.ibb.co/b5Cz0h6/A83282-CC-68-DE-4-C14-97-BE-3-BF1446-F48-BA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b5Cz0h6)<br /><br />(https://i.ibb.co/NNwxJxJ/97-B6104-C-D5-BE-4-DB7-B419-50217972-A128.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NNwxJxJ)<br />
And here’s my Biqi tree
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/T4TQhcv/59-C5960-E-F7-A0-4-BAA-A757-D261-C180-B08-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T4TQhcv)<br />
Simon
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Its a monster!
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Hi Simon,
Thank you for all the info you posted in this thread. I live in the SF bay area and new to the Yangmei tree planting, but I am very interested in this topic. You were talking about the grafting technique by
using M Californica. Is it Myrica Californica tree? How big of plant of Myrica Californica did you use for grafting? Are they all growing well now?
Best regards,
Bill
My approach graft of Biqi onto M Californica seems to have calloused over the best. The union is completely formed and the swelling has started to burst the Buddytape.
I will soon begin making incremental cuts on the Biqi rootstock and M Californica top in order to gradually decrease dependence on the portion of the plants that I will eventually be severing.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pp6TNyjG/6-E47-F2-AD-C789-4-D6-E-9-C20-82-D1-AF322503.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pp6TNyjG)
(https://i.postimg.cc/d7MV1X4G/78-A66-C6-F-C7-A7-47-F1-89-F9-92-A3-F57-D6859.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/d7MV1X4G)
(https://i.postimg.cc/K13YmFrZ/AB487593-D923-40-E8-9-BE1-E4-C904063959.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K13YmFrZ)
Simon
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Nice job Simon, you've diffidently got roots that's for sure glad some folks got them to grow concrats 8)
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Is there any chance we can do this again? I missed the last one.
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Hello Bill,
yes, I was successful grafting Yangmei onto Myrica Californica now Morella Californica. I was successful grafting onto small plants in quart containers and large plants in 5 gallon containers.
Simon
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Nice job Simon, you've diffidently got roots that's for sure glad some folks got them to grow concrats 8)
Thanks Scott! It was tough but I think I’m starting to figure this plant out. I ran a bunch of experiments and sacrificed many plants in the name of science but I’ve got it pretty well dialed in now. I’ve been super busy taking care of sick family members and haven’t grafted any more plants recently but the ones I grafted earlier are doing great.
I will probably put a plant or two up for auction in the near future.
Simon
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You rock Simon!
I have 2 Biqi in ground, and one of Nathan's seedlings next to one of them. 2 of Nathan's seedlings in pots still.
The first Biqi planted in ground looks best. The other is stressing, but has new growth.
Lost one Biqi after a bottom fell out of a rootsaver pot while moving it. Surprised it died, wasn't that bad of a mishap imo.
Going to try granting to m. cerifeira in the spring.,
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Hey Rob, that’s great news! New top growth with fully expanded leaves is a good sign that the roots are expanding as well. The Chinese Yangmei rootstocks seem very vigorous so far. I’m still waiting to see if any of my trees spontaneously dies but everything is looking good so far.
How is Nate’s in ground seedling doing so far? Have you noticed any new growth?
Now that I’m familiar with grafting onto M. Californica, my next focus will be to graft onto M. Cerifera. I already have a bunch of rootstocks growing out and much of the knowledge gained when experimenting with M. Californica should translate over to the Cerifera rootstocks. From talking with people on the Yangmei Facebook group, Cerifera should be even easier to graft and grow.
Some small M. Cerifera rootstocks sizing up for my next set of experiments.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ygrjFtJT/B08069-D5-A5-E8-4-DA2-8-A4-E-984-B28-D92-FBA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygrjFtJT)
Simon
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I posted my first “Biqi” Yangmei grafted onto Morella Californica up for auction for those that were asking. Please see this link if you are interested.
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=45663.0
Simon
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I bid 5$ :D
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No new growth/not much on Nate's seedlings, either in ground or in pots. Initially saw some, but they appear to have slowed. Things have cooled down here a bit lately.
Definitely think they do better in ground. Interesting, we have high soil ph here and lots of limestone. Might be part of reason why mine aren't going crazy like yours Simon, but they appear to be acclimating. Think its going to work out.
Congrats on getting plants ready for eBay sale! Exciting.
Lmk when you throw up a DK, An Hai, or one of the other ones (DK/BP?).
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I bid 5$ :D
Come on man, at least $6.00. Don’t be a cheap skate, lol!
Simon
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No new growth/not much on Nate's seedlings, either in ground or in pots. Initially saw some, but they appear to have slowed. Things have cooled down here a bit lately.
Definitely think they do better in ground. Interesting, we have high soil ph here and lots of limestone. Might be part of reason why mine aren't going crazy like yours Simon, but they appear to be acclimating. Think its going to work out.
Congrats on getting plants ready for eBay sale! Exciting.
Lmk when you throw up a DK, An Hai, or one of the other ones (DK/BP?).
Rob, I believe the pH affects of the limestone may be detrimental to the overall health of the trees. Maybe add some Sulfur to gradually bring down the pH.
I may have an An Hai up for auction in the near future.
Simon
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Will keep my $5 handy!
Sulfur will probably help, thanks.
The tree that has been in ground longest looks the best. So I think/hope they are acclimating to the limestone.
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I'm considering planting out a bunch of my Yangmei and Myrica esculenta into the ground. I've got a 15g male and a 15 g female as well as the grafted BIQI, that is nowhere near as awesome as Simon's. I also have a handful of seedlings.
I'm wondering if anyone has thoughts on planting going into fall or planting come spring.
It's definitely fake spring right now and all my Myrica are pushing.
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This Biqi was planted a while back. Didn't do much for a while, but is active now. Hope the cold front doesn't shut it down. Several m. cerifeira in the background, for grafting in the spring.
Oct
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vd6Np1R5/Yangmei-Ground1021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Vd6Np1R5)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/LnMT3CBy/Biqi-11-21.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LnMT3CBy)
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I'm considering planting out a bunch of my Yangmei and Myrica esculenta into the ground. I've got a 15g male and a 15 g female as well as the grafted BIQI, that is nowhere near as awesome as Simon's. I also have a handful of seedlings.
I'm wondering if anyone has thoughts on planting going into fall or planting come spring.
It's definitely fake spring right now and all my Myrica are pushing.
From the research I’ve done, it may be best to plant the trees into the ground sooner rather than later. Some people on the Facebook Yangmei page suggested that the in ground plants did better and specifically for seedlings, the males performed better than the females.
Simon
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This Biqi was planted a while back. Didn't do much for a while, but is active now. Hope the cold front doesn't shut it down. Several m. cerifeira in the background, for grafting in the spring.
Oct
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vd6Np1R5/Yangmei-Ground1021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Vd6Np1R5)
Today
(https://i.postimg.cc/LnMT3CBy/Biqi-11-21.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LnMT3CBy)
Rob, your plant looks great! I’m sure we will get a male out of some of the seedlings we got from Nate. Hopefully we can get some fruit in a couple more years.
Simon
Simon
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Thanks Simon!
I totally agree that most people will fare better with yangmei IN GROUND. Especially people like me, who like to water their plants.
Was worried about my limestone soil. Shoud've been more worried about my hose.
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My biqi tree that has been in ground for a few months now is taking the heat and low humidity fine here. Its been in the mid 90s and humidity has been 0 for several days in a row with santa ana wind and the tree looks fine getting all day sun. Its been flushing nicely.
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How are people's seedlings doing here? It sounds an awful lot like most people's seedlings have died?
I haven't lost any seedlings since I started selling them and have about 7 or so still in 4" pots that are doing great.
I'd be curious to hear about mortality rates on these.
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All of my seedlings are still alive. 1 in ground and 2 still in the 4 inch pots you sent them in.
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anybody knows the nursery's name in San Diego that sell m. californica? The pictures that kaz posted about that nursery were deleted.
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Its the evergreen nursery in carmel valley.
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The chickens thought it was something tasty for them... but apparently not too much, fortunately for me.. The seedlings survived, just a bit mangled and new stuff growing out. The other two fared much better.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZB76c1fR/Screenshot-20211115-191926-Gallery.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZB76c1fR)
How are people's seedlings doing here? It sounds an awful lot like most people's seedlings have died?
I haven't lost any seedlings since I started selling them and have about 7 or so still in 4" pots that are doing great.
I'd be curious to hear about mortality rates on these.
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You guys are doing great.
My only tree gave up last week.
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So here's some potentially useful info from my results here in South Florida.
Posting pics of most recently planted (in ground) Biqi tree. While it looks stressed, upon closer inspection you can see that new growth is abound.
(https://i.postimg.cc/V5mRR3Tk/Yang-Biqi1121.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V5mRR3Tk)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SJtfmjKn/Yang-Biqi-Ground2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SJtfmjKn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/1gDG0HrF/Yang-Biqi-Ground3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1gDG0HrF)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y4NFLStf/Yang-Biqi-Ground41121.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4NFLStf)
My guess is this tree would have died soon if not planted in ground, due to overwatering.
The other tree that died on me, most likely was due to overwatering.
Biqi on this rootstock seems well suited for my high alkaline, limestone soil. More time is needed, but I am encouraged.
The potted seedlings I have are likely not dead because roots fill the pot up, and not much soil to get soaked.
My deductions:
Yangmei is sensitive to root rot in pots (no surprise, Simon already said it).
Yangmei may be tolerant of alkaline soils.
Yangmei wants to be connected to the Earth, put those puppies in ground while you can!
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Hello everyone, I just wanted to give everyone a quick update and some clarification on something I brought up earlier in this thread.
Earlier in this thread, I mentioned that multiple people in the Facebook Yangmei group had the experience where they planted out DNA sexed male and female trees and that the males tended to grow more vigorously and the female plants usually died out. Based on that information, I hypothesized that the larger and faster growing seedlings I had were probably male trees.
Well, I sent out leaf samples for DNA testing and (thanks Marta!) and found out that I was completely off on my hypothesis. My two larger seedlings turned out to be females and my two smaller seedlings turned out to be males.
I believe that the initial reports from the Facebook Yangmei group that saw males growing faster and more vigorously can be attributed to the females being in bad condition (they were dying) . Since the females were on their way out, they would grow ( more like dying slowly) much slower compared to the males.
This still doesn’t explain why females were dying at a higher rate than males however.
This just goes to show that you won’t really know if you have a male or female tree until you have your trees tested. Big thanks to Marta for processing the samples the same day she received them and giving me results immediately!
Simon
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On a positive note, I now have three confirmed males and another friend has two confirmed males. One of my males is the rootstock on my Biqi which is great news because the rootstock appears to be at least several years old. The male rootstock may already be sexually mature enough to produce pollen where as the seedling trees will probably have to go through their juvenile period and reach a specific size/age before they will be able to produce pollen.
My dream of growing Yangmei to fruition is one step closer!
Simon
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My update. Sad news; 2 potted Biqi plants died, probably my fault, may have sprayed some diluted bleach by mistake. Or maybe over watered them and should have planted in ground sooner as Rob mentioned. Of my 3 seedling plants, only 1 survived so far. Not having much luck on these plants for me. Maybe next time I will learn from my mistakes.
But the good news; I'm thankful that my loquats (70) and white sapotes (28) are doing great, many flowers and should have fruits from the majority of the loquat and white sapote varieties next year.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
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Hey Simon! Now that is something to be “Thankful” for! I don’t need to say this but...AWESOME work on the yangmei trials!!! :) :) :) Some really cool stuff you’re doing man and I congratulate you!!! Please keep the updates coming, learning a lot from you, thank you.
Update on my trees:
Grafted Biqi from the group order is doing great but has kinda slowed down on the growth, probably because of the colder weather, planning to plant it in the ground next week.
My first three seedlings all died after attempting to transplant into bigger pots, I believe I used too much mycorrhizae on the roots when transplanting, I mean they were dead by that evening, very sensitive, I’ve never had seedlings die after transplant and mycorrhizae, at least not that fast.
After the loss I got a couple more and Nate (Wildlands plants) was super kind in hooking up a nice size seedling, and now all three of those are thriving inside an unheated hoop house that’s under the patio cover, and up against the house. I also have a bowl of water in there for some humidity. I up potted them all to one gallons, without mycorrhizae, and they didn’t skip a beat.
Slow and steady is the way to go with these guys...
Ps nice meeting you at the fruit tasting party Simon! ;) It was nice talking with you.
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Happy Thanksgiving yangmei lovers!
Sorry to hear of your losses Kaz. You must try again! Hopefully the m. cerifeira grafts go well, happy to send you one in the future if successful.
Simon continues to blaze the trail. The yangmei code is being cracked.
Updated pic of Biqi in ground (not same tree as post #704, this was first one planted in ground):
(https://i.postimg.cc/gxyq62KC/Yangmei-Biqi112521a.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gxyq62KC)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XrW9300Q/Yangmei-Biqi112521b.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XrW9300Q)
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Looks like its growing nicely now Rob. Mines looking about the same. But its getting hammered in a really strong santa ana wind today. :'( could hardly sleep last night, it felt like my house was going to blow away.
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Nice looking tree Rob! That thing is nice and green
What’s up Brad, please give an update in a week or so, I’m really curious to see how your tree handled these stupid winds
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Rob, your biqi plant looks really nice, good job. The santa ana winds are very strong here the last few days. It blew my alumimum 6 ft A-frame ladder down and also blew off my American flag (5 ft) off the holder and was in my yard.
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Simon did you get the trees from the group order sexed as well?
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Thanks everyone,
Nate, the grafted portions of the group buy trees are female but I do have one rootstock coming out of my Biqi tree and it is at least 3 feet long and yes, I got it DNA tested and it is a male.
If I plant this tree into the ground, I could potentially get fruit in a couple years, maybe sooner.
Simon
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Happy Thanksgiving yangmei lovers!
Sorry to hear of your losses Kaz. You must try again! Hopefully the m. cerifeira grafts go well, happy to send you one in the future if successful.
Simon continues to blaze the trail. The yangmei code is being cracked.
Updated pic of Biqi in ground (not same tree as post #704, this was first one planted in ground):
(https://i.postimg.cc/gxyq62KC/Yangmei-Biqi112521a.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gxyq62KC)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XrW9300Q/Yangmei-Biqi112521b.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XrW9300Q)
Rob, your in ground Biqi looks great, it appears it’s establishing well and the new growth looks healthy.
Simon
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Here is a new thread for the new Yangmei(Myrica Rubra) group order
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=45912.0
If anybody who missed the previous group order or wants to add more Yangmei trees, you are welcome to add your orders there.
Thank you.
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Here’s a quick update of my Biqi Yangmei which has three rootstock branches that have been confirmed male through DNA analysis. First, here is the only zoomed out picture I have of one of the Yangmei trees ( not sure which variety) that we received in April of 2021. Most the varieties looked like this when we received them with the exception of Biqi which looked the best with some leaves intact.
(https://i.postimg.cc/r0nxGDzF/7-B1-C2-CB8-E015-4027-8-B4-B-A6455-FC6-C970.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r0nxGDzF)
Approximately 10 months later, the Biqi is 6 feet wide and 4 feet tall. The actual size should be considered 4 feet wide and 4 feet tall. There is one extremely long branch that grew very tall and started leaning over and this branch sticks out an additional 2 feet from the rest of the tree. Here’s the Biqi. This tree has been planted into the ground at my mother in laws house.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GHQrXvdQ/C879-BCBD-3-C68-4614-B9-A2-36-C10091829-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHQrXvdQ)
And here is the An Hai which will be planted into my backyard this week.
(https://i.postimg.cc/s1PR25Qr/58037922-4087-4-C43-8691-EEAC76-BAFD38.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/s1PR25Qr)
This An Hai is 4 feet wide and approximately 2.5-3 feet tall. I’m hopeful that I will get fruit within two years.
Simon
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Fabulous work Simon!
That is an insane rate of growth- whatever you are doing with them in pots they seem to be very happy and I will be interested to know what happens when you put them in the ground-
Forgive my naivety but what is your native soil like?
Also how much osmocote are you adding every two weeks? I have the extended release stuff
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Hey elouicious,
I actually now use a customized fertilizer that I developed for rapid growth. If you use Osmocote slow release, I would use 1/2-1/4 of what they recommend. I previously use Dynagro liquid fertilizer.
I don’t think these trees will do much growing in Winter but I expect them to grow rapidly in Summer.
My soil is a horrible heavy clay with lots of rocks and poor drainage, that is why I plan on planting most my test trees at my parents and in laws. My backyard has better soil so I believe it will grow fine back there.
Simon
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Perfect and prompt response!
Thanks as always Simon
Don't suppose I could get you to spill the secret fertilizer recipe? :P
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Sorry elouicious,
I’m in a contract with a company that I’m partnering up with to graft and produce trees for sale to the general public in the future. Many of the bare root trees from China did not survive but we should be able to provide multiple varieties of Yangmei with a healthy grown out root system that will make it significantly easier to grow in the USA.
Simon
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Totally understand-
I'll buy some trees from you when you are off the ground
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Congratulations Simon! What an amazing contribution to bring this rare fruit into production for more people to try. Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge on how to grow these trees and making it accessible to the fruit growing community. I take comfort in knowing that if I fail with this second batch, there’s still hope I can grow it in the future. Wish you great success in your partnership!
Janet
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You go Simon, wishing great success ;) 8)
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Wow Simon, way to go. So huge and healthy.
Nice to hear you will have some available in the future, congrats !
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Thanks elouicious, Janet and Scott!
Prospects are looking bright for Yangmei as common dooryard fruit trees in the near future.
I know a lot of people are highly discouraged from attempting to grow Yangmei because of high mortality rates with bare root trees and seedlings but I strongly believe that our trees will grow well for most people as long as their climate is suitable.
We are currently testing out some of my grafted trees at random locations without any special fertilizers or hormones and although the rate of growth is slower, they are growing fine and appear to be very healthy. The rate of growth from our grafted trees without special fertilizers and hormones is roughly the same growth rate as native M Californica or M Cerifera. Both of these species grow relatively fast.
Simon
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Put me on the list to buy when you have the trees available Simon :)
Thanks elouicious, Janet and Scott!
Prospects are looking bright for Yangmei as common dooryard fruit trees in the near future.
I know a lot of people are highly discouraged from attempting to grow Yangmei because of high mortality rates with bare root trees and seedlings but I strongly believe that our trees will grow well for most people as long as their climate is suitable.
We are currently testing out some of my grafted trees at random locations without any special fertilizers or hormones and although the rate of growth is slower, they are growing fine and appear to be very healthy. The rate of growth from our grafted trees without special fertilizers and hormones is roughly the same growth rate as native M Californica or M Cerifera. Both of these species grow relatively fast.
Simon
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Ok, we can use this thread to track for now but we hope to have the sales through an actual nursery website when we are up and ready.
Simon
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Hey elouicious,
I actually now use a customized fertilizer that I developed for rapid growth. If you use Osmocote slow release, I would use 1/2-1/4 of what they recommend. I previously use Dynagro liquid fertilizer.
I don’t think these trees will do much growing in Winter but I expect them to grow rapidly in Summer.
My soil is a horrible heavy clay with lots of rocks and poor drainage, that is why I plan on planting most my test trees at my parents and in laws. My backyard has better soil so I believe it will grow fine back there.
Simon
Ok,
So what's in the secret sauce? You know we want the recipe ;D
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Yeah, I’ve been asked by several members but I’m bound by my contract as far as what I can disclose.
My fertilizer isn’t necessary to grow great Yangmei plants, just about any fruit tree fertilizer used appropriately should give you great results.
I believe the secret to growing healthy specimens of Yangmei is to establish a strong root system. The branches and leaves will follow if you can grow out a vigorous and healthy root system.
Simon
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Following your advice to get our plants into the ground as soon as possible, I am planning to put out my sole survivor of last May's group buy. My soil, however is in many places pretty crappy and riddled with the roots of the incense cedars that are my block's street tree. Any feelings about planting yang mei on a mound as is advised for avos and tropicals?
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You could also plant inside a large pot with the bottom removed as an alternative to planting on a mound. In my heavy clay soil, I planted most my in ground trees on a mound about 8-9 years ago and over the course of those years gone by, the mound slowly dropped to almost ambient ground level.
Planting on mounds have been very beneficial in my situation. With your invasive root situation, you may consider using a tiller or a large shovel or saw to sever roots along your property line in order to give your trees a fighting chance to establish their roots.
If you just planted on a mound on top of Cedar roots, I would hazard to guess that the Cedar roots will quickly take over the mound.
Take into consideration that severing the Cedar roots could be seen as a type of root pruning and the Cedar trees could branch out more, after you cut them but this may give your trees enough time to send out roots.
You could do an annual root prune at your property line as your annual or semi annual maintenance of your yard.
Simon
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Hi Simon..
On my dong kui from the order this year, I saw a couple really small bud try to push. Should I start to fertilize it in really small dose? My potting mix is mostly sand, peat and perlite. It is kept indoor with no direct sunlight.
You could also plant inside a large pot with the bottom removed as an alternative to planting on a mound. In my heavy clay soil, I planted most my in ground trees on a mound about 8-9 years ago and over the course of those years gone by, the mound slowly dropped to almost ambient ground level.
Planting on mounds have been very beneficial in my situation. With your invasive root situation, you may consider using a tiller or a large shovel or saw to sever roots along your property line in order to give your trees a fighting chance to establish their roots.
If you just planted on a mound on top of Cedar roots, I would hazard to guess that the Cedar roots will quickly take over the mound.
Take into consideration that severing the Cedar roots could be seen as a type of root pruning and the Cedar trees could branch out more, after you cut them but this may give your trees enough time to send out roots.
You could do an annual root prune at your property line as your annual or semi annual maintenance of your yard.
Simon
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If they’re just small buds, I would be very careful with fertilizer. If your soil had any fertilizer in it at all, you probably don’t need to give it fertilizer yet but if it was inert, I would give it very dilute fertilizer. If you give it fertilizer, just give it a fruit tree fertilizer diluted to about 1/5 of what the package recommends.
Simon
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Thanks elouicious, Janet and Scott!
Prospects are looking bright for Yangmei as common dooryard fruit trees in the near future.
I know a lot of people are highly discouraged from attempting to grow Yangmei because of high mortality rates with bare root trees and seedlings but I strongly believe that our trees will grow well for most people as long as their climate is suitable.
We are currently testing out some of my grafted trees at random locations without any special fertilizers or hormones and although the rate of growth is slower, they are growing fine and appear to be very healthy. The rate of growth from our grafted trees without special fertilizers and hormones is roughly the same growth rate as native M Californica or M Cerifera. Both of these species grow relatively fast.
Simon
Greetings Simon! Have you noticed any trends, in terms of plants favoring full sun, morning sun, afternoon sun, partial shade, etc.? Thanks!
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Yes, under outdoor conditions, fully rooted plants prefer full sun. If the plants are not fully rooted, you have to be careful and very slowly acclimate the trees.
For bare root trees from China, they are in a state of shock and should be kept in full shade or morning indirect sun until they root/ leaf out a bit. Once they start growing, you can very gradually increase the light levels.
Keep in mind the article I posted somewhere on this thread that showed photo inhibition beyond a specific light level but the average backyard Yangmei grower shouldn’t concern themselves with this. Commercial growers, wether for fruit or nursery stock, should consider this in their business plan because of the huge multiplier effect when growing out thousands of trees.
A bunch of my original graft experiments that were kept outside through Extreme heat and more recently, through 3 nights of frost have shown little to no damage. I do notice minor damage to newly emerging growth when there is extremely low humidity and high winds such as our Santa Anna wind conditions.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hj6vkXQD/0843-A823-247-C-4107-B24-F-F26912-C2-FF18.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hj6vkXQD)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xcqxJ8Rk/C47-B3-E16-326-D-4-A07-A771-2244-BE4-F1266.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xcqxJ8Rk)
These grafts were neglected and not given any special fertilizers and they grew much slower than my plants which were given my fertilizer but the growth rate was still very good and comparable to ungrafted Californica and Cerifera.
Simon
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Is anyone ready to have their trees (suckers) sexed from this order? I have a sucker coming from my in ground Biqi I’d like to get sexed, but it’s $200 for 10 samples (leaves) so I’m looking for people to go in with to save some cash. Send me a pm if you’re interested, thanks
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Curious how everyone’s trees are doing from this order? I had one Biqi survive that’s in the ground doing well, there’s also a sucker coming from the rootstock I’m hoping is male. Thanks again Ken! :) You pretty much got the Yangmei hype and excitement going again.
(https://i.postimg.cc/dDTqtKS1/708-BEC73-FC63-49-D7-8696-ABA1866-AC58-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dDTqtKS1)
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My trees are doing pretty good but they haven’t grown much since I put them in the ground in Winter. They are probably growing out their roots right now so hopefully I’ll see signs of growth when it warms up a bit. This is my An Hai and it survived 2-3 nights of light frost with only minor damage to new growth that was trying to emerge. This tree is now about 11 months old.
There are new buds that have swelled on the entire tree so hopefully I don’t get a late frost which may damage the new growth.
(https://i.postimg.cc/n92Vd9Ms/0-DD860-DE-6-FA3-40-EB-ABAD-2-B210-F79801-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/n92Vd9Ms)
(https://i.postimg.cc/JHM4c57V/7-E69981-B-818-D-4-DB6-AB4-F-9270514-DB379.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JHM4c57V)
Simon