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Title: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on April 11, 2021, 03:17:34 PM
Hi, I have several loquat seedlings from which I would like to graft on quince rootstocks that I just dug up today. When is the best time to graft, should the rootstock be actively growing or can I graft now when the trees have not waked up, the are starting to swell buds tho... what about the scion , I ques it should be totally dormant ??
I am applying some photos of the loquats I want to take cuttings from, the thing is they are small seedlings and I wonder if I should and can prune them to half their size and use the prunings for the grafting, will the remaining plants resprout and not die , I heard they do not take well pruning when young??
Finally ,what method works best, bark, cleft, other grafting method ?? I could use approach grafting bit this I thing would be tedious and if I will be cutting the little loquats would prefer to just head them and leave them to resprout faster ....
Thanks for your help !!!:-):-)
(https://i.postimg.cc/7GpDXkTN/IMG-20210411-212813.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7GpDXkTN)

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Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: buddy roo on April 12, 2021, 11:12:04 AM
your rootstalk needs to be actively growing other than that any time is good to graft and any kind of graft will work, both of those are very easy to work with, working with those trees you can make specimen showoff cocktail fruit salad trees as you can have Loquat-Quince- Pear and Apple all on one tree, makes a very showy subject
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on April 12, 2021, 11:32:21 AM
your rootstalk needs to be actively growing other than that any time is good to graft and any kind of graft will work, both of those are very easy to work with, working with those trees you can make specimen showoff cocktail fruit salad trees as you can have Loquat-Quince- Pear and Apple all on one tree, makes a very showy subject
thanks ,I will then bring the quince rootstocks in the greenhouse to wake them up faster.
Can u please just tell me ,can I use loquat scions that have began to grow, the loquats are dormant right now but are also in the greenhouse from yesterday and I expect them to begin growing in a few days ...
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: buddy roo on April 13, 2021, 11:51:11 AM
I have never seen a dormant loquat they are evergreen, are you sure that is what you have?
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on April 13, 2021, 02:14:56 PM
I have never seen a dormant loquat they are evergreen, are you sure that is what you have?
I mean that the plant is not in active growth state right now, they are def loquats ...since I will be using branch tips , was wondering if I can use ones that have started to grow/ are not dormant ....
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: ScottR on April 14, 2021, 07:32:43 PM
You can use tip growth as long as it hasn't pushed to much, I grafted one earlier this year with tip growth about half inch long and still pointed and it's starting to push new growth! I try to get pic to show. You know that it will dwarf tree about 50% nice if you don't have space for big tree or tired of feeding birds.
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: ScottR on April 14, 2021, 07:45:06 PM
Here is pic's of tree I grafted about 3-4 weeks ago and tree in ground was grafted in 2015.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CRnnshYW/Loquat-on-Quince-root-001.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CRnnshYW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YGM47QgH/Loquat-on-Quince-root-002.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YGM47QgH)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MM5npXbj/Loquat-on-Quince-root-003.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MM5npXbj)
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on April 15, 2021, 12:54:17 AM
Here is pic's of tree I grafted about 3-4 weeks ago and tree in ground was grafted in 2015.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CRnnshYW/Loquat-on-Quince-root-001.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CRnnshYW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YGM47QgH/Loquat-on-Quince-root-002.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YGM47QgH)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MM5npXbj/Loquat-on-Quince-root-003.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MM5npXbj)
thanks for the info, yes I have heard that quince dwarfs the loquat, and this is my intention actually, along with adding a bit more hardiness and better fruit flavor hopefully ,have heard flavor also is affected in good way. ? Your loquat on quince is very nice and compact !
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Galatians522 on April 15, 2021, 10:28:38 PM
Looks like it has potential as an edible ground cover! Lol! Actually, I am impressed to see that this actually works. Its one of those improbable grafts that somehow defies the odds. I never would have suspected that these two would make a long lasting plant.
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: sc4001992 on April 23, 2021, 08:34:17 AM
Plantinyum, my suggestion on your grafting the seedling loquat is to make sure you don't cut the seedling to low on the plant. You want to leave at least one leaf node so the rootstock that was cut can grow back. If you cut it to low, you may not get another new leaf node or bud to come up and the seedling will die.

Robert, that looks neat grafted to quince, where do you get quince rootstock around here ? I should try that it sure looks like a minature loquat trees, all my trees and seedlings grow very tall (over 10 ft) pretty quickly. But I do have one multi-grafted tree that has all of my varieties now on one tree so I could get rid of the others if needed for space. Up to 62.
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: ScottR on April 23, 2021, 10:38:56 AM
Kaz, I just use sucker growth that comes off my quince tree.I'm liking this method more and more going to get all my seedling varieties that I like onto quince root stock much easier to take care of size wise!
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on April 23, 2021, 02:21:36 PM
Plantinyum, my suggestion on your grafting the seedling loquat is to make sure you don't cut the seedling to low on the plant. You want to leave at least one leaf node so the rootstock that was cut can grow back. If you cut it to low, you may not get another new leaf node or bud to come up and the seedling will die.

Robert, that looks neat grafted to quince, where do you get quince rootstock around here ? I should try that it sure looks like a minature loquat trees, all my trees and seedlings grow very tall (over 10 ft) pretty quickly. But I do have one multi-grafted tree that has all of my varieties now on one tree so I could get rid of the others if needed for space. Up to 62.
thanks for the tip, I will cut them in the center, so they will have around 3-4 leaves and nodes ,from which I hope they will branch out ...
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: sc4001992 on April 23, 2021, 04:58:26 PM
Plantinyum, yes that is good to cut there. But remember that the top half of your cut (scion side) needs to be a firm branch, can't be soft when you put it between your fingers and flex it. If its to soft, you need to wait until it gets older and is firm to be used as scion.
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: CitrusFanatic on April 23, 2021, 05:25:16 PM
What? Loquat can be grafted to quince? Would it be possible to take an apple or pear tree and graft loquat to it?
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on April 24, 2021, 02:11:28 AM
Plantinyum, yes that is good to cut there. But remember that the top half of your cut (scion side) needs to be a firm branch, can't be soft when you put it between your fingers and flex it. If its to soft, you need to wait until it gets older and is firm to be used as scion.
thanks again, the scions will not be perfect for grafting , they are thin by my standards , thought are hardened and are not tender new growths . I will try my best when I work with them in a few days from now.


What? Loquat can be grafted to quince? Would it be possible to take an apple or pear tree and graft loquat to it?
I think someone above mentioned that loquat is inter graftable with apple also. For the pear I thing u should first graft quince on loquat and then graft the pear to the quince. Not sure about this tough ....
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: ScottR on April 24, 2021, 04:29:26 PM
What? Loquat can be grafted to quince? Would it be possible to take an apple or pear tree and graft loquat to it?
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No,Loquat will not graft to Apple or Pear the only way is if you had quince tree then grafted apple to one branch the pear to another and so on and so forth!Y you can through a Medlar onto that magical tree too!
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: maesy on April 24, 2021, 05:09:04 PM
That is interesting! I'd never thought that could work.
How is the blooming behavior of the loquat when the tree goes into dormacy in October?
And are the fruits growing on a quince rootstock going to ripe out in summer?
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on April 25, 2021, 12:58:26 PM
What? Loquat can be grafted to quince? Would it be possible to take an apple or pear tree and graft loquat to it?
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No,Loquat will not graft to Apple or Pear the only way is if you had quince tree then grafted apple to one branch the pear to another and so on and so forth!Y you can through a Medlar onto that magical tree too!


actually I grafted 5 medlar scions onto a strong apple rootstock , 4 of which have dramatically swelled buds .
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: ScottR on April 25, 2021, 06:34:14 PM
All the tree's I have purchased (Medlars) have been on quince rootstock! I don't know if long term medlar will growon apple, what kind of apple did you graft to?
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on April 26, 2021, 01:35:26 AM
All the tree's I have purchased (Medlars) have been on quince rootstock! I don't know if long term medlar will growon apple, what kind of apple did you graft to?
I do not know the variety of the tree, it is some kind of a late ripening variety . I know that the scions may die afterwards but still are starting good at this point
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: swincher on April 26, 2021, 11:43:48 AM
Finally I have a use for all the suckers coming into my yard from the neighbor's flowering quince! Loquat "groundcover"!
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on April 27, 2021, 02:08:21 AM
Yesterday I grafted the 12 quince rootstocks. I ended up using most scions from my bigger loquat plant ,and decapitated only 3 seedlings. The grafts I did were 10 clefts and 2 bark ones. I wrapped them first with grafting parafilm and then with white electrical tape. Placed the plants in shade .
5 of the grafts were branch tips , the others stems with leaves which were cut, hopefully they sprout from the dormant buds under the petioles.....
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: ScottR on April 27, 2021, 10:27:39 AM
Keep us posted would like to know how non-tip growth scions worked best of luck on your grafts. 8)
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on April 27, 2021, 02:32:00 PM
Keep us posted would like to know how non-tip growth scions worked best of luck on your grafts. 8)
thanks , I will post when and if I see movement in the scions, hopefully some of them take ...
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: sc4001992 on May 01, 2021, 01:00:45 PM
Robert, just got my quince bareroot order online. I will experiment with loquat grafted on these so I can have some dwf trees of my favorite ones. Thanks for the suggestion on quince.

(https://i.postimg.cc/MHXD5tL9/Quince1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V0QnL9mt)
(https://i.postimg.cc/htV02XCR/Quince2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VJLM6kQK)
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: ScottR on May 02, 2021, 11:03:37 AM
Nice Kaz, is that from raintreenursery? I think that's what i read on tag!  Cool good luck with your graft's!
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: sc4001992 on May 02, 2021, 03:04:10 PM
Yes, Raintree. Great prices, 5 for $18.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Pedroboy on May 03, 2021, 01:34:28 PM
Robert, just got my quince bareroot order online. I will experiment with loquat grafted on these so I can have some dwf trees of my favorite ones. Thanks for the suggestion on quince.

(https://i.postimg.cc/MHXD5tL9/Quince1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V0QnL9mt)
(https://i.postimg.cc/htV02XCR/Quince2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VJLM6kQK)

Hi
That Raintree deal looks like a great option - and for anybody that gets shut out there, One Green World offers the same pricing right now. My question for you - and/or Robert - fruiting vs. flowering Quince - would it matter for our purposes here? I ask because I have a few thicker scions that might be a better match to, say, a 5g potted specimen, and it seems that many local nurseries stay regularly stocked with the ornamental cultivars - but less so for the fruiting.

Thanks for any input.

Cheers, Chris
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: ScottR on May 03, 2021, 04:44:42 PM
I would think that it should work grafting onto flowering quince but the only time I have tried it was years ago I grafted a fruiting variety from Edgar Valdeva onto a flowering quince and it stayed alive for about 3-years then died. I would say if you could get them cheap enough it might be worth a try.
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Pedroboy on May 03, 2021, 11:29:20 PM
Hmm - any theories about the failure of that one? Did it ever produce for you at all, or was it still too small for that?
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: ScottR on May 04, 2021, 10:44:49 AM
No it never got old enough to fruit! So I don't know if it was incapability with rootstock or what?
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on May 19, 2021, 01:57:15 AM
Hello all, an verbal update on my grafts.
There are no dead or shriveled grafts by now,there are no off colored ones which would be an indicator of a problem of some sorts.
Not a single one has awakened by now as far as I know, thought on the ones that are not tip growths ,the remaining parts of the petioles I had cut have yellowed and separated grom the grafted part.
I think this is a good singh that the graft sucked back the energy from a useless part ....
Anyone could tell me when should I expect any movement to them, I guess any day soon.....
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on May 27, 2021, 10:31:07 AM
Update, nothing !! Still not a single one of the grafts have started pushing, they are all green however, no casualties as of now ....
The seedlings that I topped have started to branch out nicely, the growth is still insubstantial.
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on June 18, 2021, 05:24:29 PM
Update, one fail till now ,the others are still green and I unwrapped their top buds since 5-6 of them began growing.
I am now wondering if I should slowly star introducing the ones that have started to grow to more light. Now they are in the shade with no direct sun.
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: ScottR on June 18, 2021, 07:16:40 PM
I put my trees under about 30% shade cloth then after they push new growth I slowly acclimate them the full sun slowly, first days about half full sun for 4hrs then within a week to full sun. ;)
Title: Re: Loquat grafing on quince
Post by: Plantinyum on June 19, 2021, 12:15:39 AM
I put my trees under about 30% shade cloth then after they push new growth I slowly acclimate them the full sun slowly, first days about half full sun for 4hrs then within a week to full sun. ;)
thanks ,I will do that. We are expecting some hot days the coming week so may keep them in a more shady setting till is passes ..