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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: dross99_si on September 15, 2020, 02:19:45 PM
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Our ilama growing in a pot. Looks like a red. Maybe Har or someone else can confirm the exact variety. Harvested first fruit the other day after we noticed it had cracked. Waiting for it to soften up before opening it. I’ll post more pics at that time.
Noticed some cracks in the bark near the graft. Hope that’s not a problem in the future.
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I've seen a lot of ilamas with a delayed graft incompatibility. I wonder if that is what the cracks you are seeing are the result of.
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Is it grafted on to A.reticulata? I am wondering what rootstock have the lowest rate of delayed incompatability. They do marcot and I am thinking this might be preferred for propagation.
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Seedling bear quite quickly but do get quite large.
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Is it grafted on to A.reticulata? I am wondering what rootstock have the lowest rate of delayed incompatability. They do marcot and I am thinking this might be preferred for propagation.
Not sure. We purchased it at a rare fruit club sale in West Palm Beach, FL about a year and a half ago. Tag on it says Fruitscapes nursery.
All I know is that it's going crazy with new growth and flowers for the past few months.
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Do you have a picture of the fruit after picking, showing the crack?
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I have a red genova grafted on pond apple and I wish mine looked as good as yours.
It does have the same issue with the boot but mine has more of a crack. Mine is growing good
also this year. Why didn't you put it in the ground?
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I am not a fan of pond apple as a rootstock on anything.
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I have a red genova grafted on pond apple and I wish mine looked as good as yours.
It does have the same issue with the boot but mine has more of a crack. Mine is growing good
also this year. Why didn't you put it in the ground?
We grow everything in pots right now because we live in HOA. We will be moving in about a year when our new house is done being built. Then we can put everything in the ground.
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Do you have a picture of the fruit after picking, showing the crack?
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Well the fruit has been sitting for 5 days and is still rock hard and beginning to turn brown on the outside so we decided to just cut it open. I guess we probably jumped the gun and picked it too early.
Do you really need to let them split all the way down the side before harvesting?
Sad that we lost our first fruit. Learning lessons the hard way.
What should we do differently in the future for better success?
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The ripe ones Ive had were seriously split on the tree
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The ripe ones Ive had were seriously split on the tree
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Yeah we should have given ours more time. It had several small splits near the stem area. Not enough obviously :'(
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The slight splitting at the stem may have been the start of a late abortion.
When the tree is well-established in the ground and well fertilized, with a late-starting rainy season, the fruit will be superb.
Variety may be Pajapita.
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The slight splitting at the stem may have been the start of a late abortion.
When the tree is well-established in the ground and well fertilized, with a late-starting rainy season, the fruit will be superb.
Variety may be Pajapita.
Thanks Har!
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It has to crack more and I leave them until they drop. Here I s my rosada
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This is the way they it should look When properly ripe
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I would never speak 'Ill-a -ma". Bad pun now I can move on.They don't always split but usually with big fruit.My Rosendo perez has fuit a lot like the rosada so maybe they are the same thing. I have 3 pinks but the red Genova tastes better and is a more compact tree. There are a few tricks to germinating seeds and a lot of bad advice around on how to do it
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Sad that our first fruit was a dud, but alas there are more on the way!
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I am not a fan of pond apple as a rootstock on anything.
I agree in general but Gary Zill has a specific pond apple rootstock he uses for ilama that works great. Problem is the availability of the seeds for it is not great.
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Cherimoya rootstock works great with Ilama. I can manage at 12’ by pruning 2x a year. Here is my Genova red next to my Rollinia 5’ apart
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Cherimoya rootstock works great with Ilama. I can manage at 12’ by pruning 2x a year. Here is my Genova red next to my Rollinia 5’ apart
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For sone reason, it has had issues on moya rootstock in Florida.
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https://irrecenvhort.ifas.ufl.edu/plant-prop-glossary/06-grafting/02-graftingtypes/08-grafting-inarching.html
You should look into Inarching just in case so you should can save the tree .
Incompatible graft intake years to fail but I'm maybe incorrect
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https://irrecenvhort.ifas.ufl.edu/plant-prop-glossary/06-grafting/02-graftingtypes/08-grafting-inarching.html
You should look into Inarching just in case so you should can save the tree .
Incompatible graft intake years to fail but I'm maybe incorrect
In general, ilama have issues in Flirida with most rootstocks. Some show early, some for not after a couple years.
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https://irrecenvhort.ifas.ufl.edu/plant-prop-glossary/06-grafting/02-graftingtypes/08-grafting-inarching.html
You should look into Inarching just in case so you should can save the tree .
Incompatible graft intake years to fail but I'm maybe incorrect
In general, ilama have issues in Flirida with most rootstocks. Some show early, some for not after a couple years.
I like to know what the best rootstock for ilama
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So why not ilama on its own roots in Florida? Or is this mostly a problem with the soil type(s) in Florida –or maybe just some soil types in Florida? Or soil pathogens?
Can such problems be overcome by keeping the ilama in a pot?
Just curious . . .
Paul M.
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https://irrecenvhort.ifas.ufl.edu/plant-prop-glossary/06-grafting/02-graftingtypes/08-grafting-inarching.html
You should look into Inarching just in case so you should can save the tree .
Incompatible graft intake years to fail but I'm maybe incorrect
In general, ilama have issues in Flirida with most rootstocks. Some show early, some for not after a couple years.
I like to know what the best rootstock for ilama
There is not a lot of commercially grafted ilama in Florida. Two main reasons are availability of the budwood (not as common and well known in general) and incompatibility with rootstock. This is a big reason why seedlings are more commonly available. As I said, from talking to Gary Zill, he has tried many different types of rootstocks and has found this ine specific "secret" type of pond apple that works for him that stays compatible and fruits.
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Not enough ilama seedlings are available to graft onto, though they would be the best type of root-stock for ilama in most soils.
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Not enough ilamas to graft onto –likely due to difficulties of getting seed to germinate, prolly true, but . . .
How about starting air-layers on existing ilama trees? Can one get a decent root system started that way which will support what would later be used as understock for gafting new varieties onto?
Paul M.
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No rootstock at all. Seedlngs and marcots. They fruit fast.
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No rootstock at all. Seedlngs and marcots. They fruit fast.
Wait Mike . . . Aren't marcots and air-layers the same thing??? That's what Google says, anyway.
So what're you suggesting? Just air-layering (marcotting) branches of a chosen ilama cultivar to plant and grow up as the same cultivar as the source tree?
Please clarify, would you please?
Paul M.
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I use the terms interchangeably. Yes hey airlayer/marcott well and can be done when dormant even and chopped off when they flush. No rejection issues and they throw roots out pretty fast. Seedlings fruit fast so this is a good option also.
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My Ilama bore fruit for the first time this year (2) and I waited for them to crack on the tree before I harvested. They cracked and fell but the fruit was quite hard. I kept it waiting for them to get soft, they never did and eventually began to rot.
Was I supposed to harvest them in a different way?
Does the flesh get as soft as a sugar apple?
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No, the skin is tough and the pulp is much firmer (not hard) than sugar-apple when ripe.
Was your fruit split wide open, or just little cracks by the stem?
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Texture is similar to a thick, creamy cheesecake.
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No, the skin is tough and the pulp is much firmer (not hard) than sugar-apple when ripe.
Was your fruit split wide open, or just little cracks by the stem?
The fruit was split wide open and they actually fell to the ground.
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The flesh, still rock-hard at the moment of splitting, tends to re-seal / skin-over, with a dry, spoiled-looking membrane. One peels this off when the fruit softens. Once that scab is pulled off, the aromatic and attractive pulp is accessible.
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Update:
Here is round 2. We let them split and fall off the tree this time. Got 2 so far and both are a little over 1lb each. Will post more pics once they (hopefully) ripen. How do these look to you guys?
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They look right.
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They look right.
Thanks! Any clue on the variety, or can't really tell until we open them?
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Our fruit have split quite a bit more just from sitting on the kitchen counter all day. So we are supposed to let the exposed white flesh form a skin and continue to wait for the fruit to soften before we can consume? We are new to eating Ilama so help would be appreciated. We don't want these to go to waste.
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They will smell very good, perfumy, when ready. And will be soft enough to spoon.
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They will smell very good, perfumy, when ready. And will be soft enough to spoon.
Thank you. We’ll give them a few days. One has practically split in half on its own already.
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So far we are a little disappointed with Ilama. It is not as sweet as I hoped. I like very sweet so this was no where near as appealing to me as the Atemoyas.
The texture is neat though. Very creamy almost like cheesecake. It did have a hint of berry flavor. Perhaps these first few fruits were a bit lackluster? Only tried one of the two so far.
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Ilama quality varies radically, on the same tree in different years, from heavenly to not fit, due to Florida weather. We had way too much rain for too long this year, but now is drier. It is also quite late in the year.
Ilamas are tastiest when there is little rain during most of the fruit's development, and then heavy rain just before and during harvest. That is what pretty consistently happens in western Guatemala and El Salvador. There, most of the ilama harvest is in August. They also have good volcanic soil.
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No, the skin is tough and the pulp is much firmer (not hard) than sugar-apple when ripe.
Was your fruit split wide open, or just little cracks by the stem?
How cold can ilama take? I heard it is very cold sensitive, more so than a soursop.
Also how long do the seeds take without treatment? Is it possible to just take the embryo and plant it or scarification? Also har, what are all the annona hybrids to your knowledge?
Bill in Mountain View, Hawaii has a custard apple Rollinia hybrid
Here is pic:
Temoylama
Saramuyo(sugarlata)
Temoylata
Cherilata
Cherilama
Atemoya
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About 30-degrees F.
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About 30-degrees F.
what are all the annona hybrids to ur knowledge?