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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« on: January 20, 2018, 06:54:18 AM »
The photo that Guavaking is using for "Langra"mango was ripped from a gardenweb thread about an unknown seedling:
To find source of photos save photo to computer, use Google image reverse search.



https://www.ebay.com/itm/INDIAN-PAKSTANI-MANGO-TREE-LANGRA-GRAFTED-THE-BEST-MANGO-IN-THE-WORLD/112709675976?hash=item1a3e052bc8:g:VnkAAOSwBcpZfedz

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/2185649/seedling-mango-tree-success-in-jacksonville-fl




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Making changes after this freeze
« on: January 19, 2018, 08:31:21 PM »
I know of some used smudge pot/orchard heaters available in SW Florida if anyone is interested in making an offer PM me.
This is exactly what they look like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zbZoZu9r1c

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Mystery of the “Himsagar” mango in Florida
« on: January 19, 2018, 08:14:11 PM »
Someone needs to go inspect the seller's operation. It shouldn't be hard to tell what is going on with a close inspection.
He is saying a 3 year old tree produces "hundreds of mangoes every year" which sounds pretty suspicious to me.

Plus the photo he uses for his Sindhri mango is ripped from somebody else for some reason.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/INDIAN-PAKSTANI-MANGO-TREE-SINDHRI-MANGO-GRAFTED-THE-BEST-MANGO-IN-THE-WORLD/122915530678?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44040%26meid%3D015700352de34bf88bf9b81a8f3deaa1%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D112709675976&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1

https://www.flickr.com/photos/11045662@N06/3284397492

In fact, out of the five I've checked all of his pictures have been ripped from one source or the other.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Define "dappled shade"...
« on: January 18, 2018, 10:23:31 PM »
Fine Gardening has this take on shade, and discussion of palisade cells.
http://www.finegardening.com/distinguishing-degrees-light-and-shade

Texas A&M (my alma mater) has these definitions:
https://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/galveston/you_say_it's_partial_shade.htm

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zill's Ambrosia Mango
« on: January 18, 2018, 06:12:04 AM »
Zill's inventory sheet lists it as:

Quote
Mixed Fruit Flavor, Mid season

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado tree water requirements
« on: January 17, 2018, 08:56:54 AM »
On a backyard scale if regulations permit diverting sink, shower and clothes washer gray water drains to irrigate an avocado tree might work well. You would have to regulate toxins you might put down the drains. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fermenting tropical fruits into alcohol
« on: January 17, 2018, 08:43:55 AM »
So far have made wine with mombin plum, mango, passionfruit, and starfruit/carambola. Only tasted mango and mombin, liked mombin best.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado tree water requirements
« on: January 16, 2018, 08:02:27 AM »
I had several avocados which nearly died from drought. To help improve soil organic matter, reduce soil surface temp and evaporation I used cordwood covered with mulch.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good ground cover species to another weeds?
« on: January 15, 2018, 09:42:30 PM »
Quote from: Finca La Isla on January 15, 2018, 08:43:43 PM
Those are some good ideas.  We also use hemigraphis which is tough and tolerates both shade and sun. 
For dealing with difficult grass where the fruit trees are already well developed you might consider macuna.  Macuna will dominate anything but can get deep.
Peter

Ah, FLI how drought tolerant is the hemigraphis?
https://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/OF-7.pdf

This discusses the Mucuna, a non-itchy variety does exist. I sourced some seed which came from South Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucuna_pruriens

One other I am trialing for shade is 'Wild Thai Pepper'  (Piper sarmentosum) it is also edible, leaves used in Thailand for a snack-wrap called Miang kam.
Trails and roots easily, it seems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_sarmentosum

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Golden or Yellow Dragon Fruit?
« on: January 15, 2018, 09:30:01 PM »
Yes, the Ecuador Divine brand name is on Facebook for a few years.
They have been shipping some other fruit including mango, sapodilla and mamey.
https://www.facebook.com/AmazonDragonfruit/

Their website is down, but the page said they were out of Palora, Ecuador, the heart of yellow DF production.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good ground cover species to another weeds?
« on: January 15, 2018, 08:28:49 AM »
For consideration:
Perennial Peanut
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ep135

Sunshine mimosa
http://lee.ifas.ufl.edu/Hort/GardenPubsAZ/Mimosa.pdf

Singapore Daisy, this one is so controversially rampant it is considered 'invasive'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphagneticola_trilobata

All of these will probably establish better and weeding reduced if mulched during establishment.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dovyalis abyssinica dream
« on: January 15, 2018, 07:54:49 AM »
This from 1953 may help, but USDA can probably add more current info.

http://fshs.org/proceedings-o/1953-vol-66/190-192%20(RUEHLE).pdf

This has more specific information:
Lost Crops of Africa: Volume III: Fruits,  Page 115
https://books.google.com/books?id=O6RTAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=dovyalis+USDA&source=bl&ots=2pYyNRZAlW&sig=jiHr2vOTH5ekykNKxJvUnAIu0LM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijvMvg_tnYAhXJoFMKHbUMBYsQ6AEIXTAM#v=onepage&q=dovyalis%20USDA&f=false

The authors of this paper have contact information:
https://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publication/?seqNo115=305406

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nurseries which can provide Phyto certificates.
« on: January 14, 2018, 11:13:26 PM »
Quote from: Chandramohan on January 14, 2018, 10:21:20 PM
Thanks, Do you have a email Id.
I have sent you a Personal Message.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Turpentine Rootstock Update
« on: January 14, 2018, 09:57:57 PM »
Hey I was wondering about that recently. In Florida we get a summer crop of turpentine but the larger growers must need root stock year round. It makes sense they might go abroad to get them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is a White Sapote supposed to look like this?
« on: January 14, 2018, 09:45:30 PM »
I haven't seen one like that, and don't know very much about them, but have observed several grafted white sapotes which have exceptionally bulbous rootstocks compared to other species of trees.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What happened to my papaya? High maintenance?
« on: January 14, 2018, 08:12:42 PM »
Quote from: greenman62 on January 14, 2018, 03:02:02 PM

pineislander
did you grow these out to fruiting size yet ?
i would have thought the extra soil on top would give less oxygen to the roots ?
papaya roots are usually very close to the surface so they can breath.
the soil must be loose and well draining ?
Yes they are holding fruit well. I've seen lots of papaya lodging/breaking over and decided to try it with some. The soil here is pure sand so perfect drainage except a high water table in summer especially during storms. This year we got 11" in a week then another 10 or so with Irma which meant waterlogged soil for weeks and killed most papaya that went under. All my trees are on 1 ft raised beds, compost and mulch, multispecies interplanted permaculture style. papaya & banana are interplants between each young fruit tree. Like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KpFAIxaW1c

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nurseries which can provide Phyto certificates.
« on: January 14, 2018, 08:31:44 AM »
They don't ship from Florida to every country and only mention phytosanitary certificate for State of California.
Write them for  details.
http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/nursery-content-pineisland-2-title-faq

You should contact Zills if mango is desired, they may be able to work through an import/export  broker.

This document can connect to the Florida State department which is tasked with promoting exports of agricultural  products.

http://www.freshfromflorida.com/content/download/60445/1264056/Webinar_AgExportsFeb2015.pdf.pdf

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit with interesting stories behind it?
« on: January 13, 2018, 08:11:09 PM »
I like the story of nutmeg:

https://www.thoughtco.com/nutmeg-the-unsavory-history-195274

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dovyalis hybrid (tropical apricot)
« on: January 13, 2018, 07:49:37 PM »
This looks right, good views & discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYHE08d_vbE

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What happened to my papaya? High maintenance?
« on: January 13, 2018, 05:12:19 PM »
Possibly root rot set in when we got the big rains pre and during Irma. They do not withstand wet feet at all. Thousands died all over. Plant on a mound next time and it should do well. I had 20 survive both storms while my neighbor had 20 which died all of which were on flat ground.
If you planted and it was 5 feet tall it may have been a bit too tall. I grew mine from seed and had best luck with transplanting @ about 1 ft. tall. Some grow from seed and let 3 grow together choosing out the males.

I grew these and every plant turned out female or hermaphrodite, not a single one was male.
http://www.shop.alohaseed.com/product.sc?productId=17&categoryId=4

 Even though mine were only 1 ft. tall I buried some with 6" of stem underground and they seem to have no problem with that, becoming much more stout at the base which I hope will be resistant to lodging over.

PM me and when my new trees come up I can share some.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: HLB Getting Worse in California
« on: January 13, 2018, 07:29:11 AM »
Rather strange that Cali didn't already go with CUPS nurseries as Florida did a decade ago.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulching for New Orchard - Good or Bad?
« on: January 11, 2018, 07:10:43 AM »
After I spread the gypsum board I used the front-end to spread the mulch. As I drove across the tires pulverized it. Under the mulch and pulverized  it gets wet and wouldn't be any problem. Mostly the 5/8" thick Type X firestop drywall contains some fiberglass but I didn't notice it. University of Ohio has some figures on drywall content and there are some micronutrients in it, but generally no concentrations of concern.

https://ohioline.osu.edu/factsheet/anr-20






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: starch mango
« on: January 10, 2018, 07:48:55 PM »
Quote from: Mark in Texas on January 10, 2018, 08:51:30 AM
Quote from: starch on January 09, 2018, 04:52:09 PM
I have just learned that there is a mango variety called starch. A quick google search tells me it is a favored mango from Trinidad.

Based on the name, I am very intrigued :)

Can anybody describe the flavor and characteristics of the fruit?

There a two worldwide mango growers Facebook groups.  Are you Jay cause he started a thread on it here - https://www.facebook.com/groups/656091337926681/    I am surprised that you guys know about Starch Mango!! Trinidad and Tobago Variety, very popular, most consider it superior to Julie. It is a Medium size tree that can fruit very heavily. The newer versions have less fiber but still a fruit with fiber, they can be VERY sweet and creamy with some Tartness also.

I'm Jay, Mark and posted the question because a neighbor lost a 30 year old Starch mango tree during hurricane Irma  and is seeking a replacement. Some folks enjoy the fruit but I wasn't particularly fond of it though I only tried it one season, and most were windfalls. It is probably one of those things where a taste you grew up with can evoke very strong personal feelings and loyalty.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulching for New Orchard - Good or Bad?
« on: January 10, 2018, 07:42:18 PM »
Quote from: skhan on January 10, 2018, 02:16:31 PM
Thanks, Jeff,
I think I'll have to do one truckload a year to maintain the grass free area.
Alteast until the trees cast enough shade.
Looks good and will be better when you spread out to cover the root zone. Be aware that some folks who have rhizomatous grass (stuff that spreads by underground rhizomes like Torpedo/Bermuda types) have found those grasses may begin to encroach into the mulch from the edges. Those roots can be up to 1 ft deep in sandy soil. If it does head into the mulch it can become even more vigorous with a good water supply and eventually may grow right back up to the tree inside the mulch.

I was able to find 1000 lbs. new construction scrap USA made gypsum drywall board for free and set it down before mulching to have the calcium/sulphur available and not messy looking. Builders are usually happy to let you take away their scrap, find a house site under construction, don't use old drywall. I'm watching another house under construction for the drywall guys to move in and get me more scrap. Thanks to Guanabanus for the tip!



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Possible to acquire Lodoicea (double coconut)?
« on: January 08, 2018, 08:09:13 AM »
Kew and other temperate greenhouses have them.

http://internationallondon.blogspot.com/2012/08/coco-de-mer-at-kew-gardens.html

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