HELP - Does anyone know what seedling artocarpus is in the photo?

[RICBITAR]

Hello All,

Does anyone know what seedling artocarpus is in the photo?

Thanks,

[Gouralata]

Hi
   May be Artocarpus sericicarpus...

Gouralata (reunion Island)

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Hi
   May be Artocarpus sericicarpus...

Gouralata (reunion Island)

I agree look like pedalai

[DurianLover]

Ricardo,

Once you said that these Pedalai seedlings come from Puerto Rico, I knew you have fake Pedalai. Your seedlings have leafs like FGM artocarpus, it would also means you will have the same fruit he posted.  I'm still trying to identify this artocarpus by real name. Look here:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8370.msg107341#msg107341

Here are my Pedalai trees 1.5 years ago. The same height like yours. As you see leafs are different. I don't think its the same species.


Here is updated picture. I only took this picture because that creature climbed the tree one hour after planting

[fruitlovers]

Durian lover's leaves look like pedalai. Ricardo's leaves look more like A. elasticus.
Artocarpus is notoriously tricky though to ID with certainty from leaves because the leaves change shape with age, and also even in same batch some plants will have different leaf shapes than others.

[Mike T]

Pedalai is a better fruit than A.elasticus and what you would choose first. A.elastcus has smellier, more elongate fruit and leaves are sandpapery. Both these species are variable, and as Oscar said foliage varies a lot even within a batch of a single species.

Are the leaves smooth or sandpapery?

[RICBITAR]

Ricardo,

Once you said that these Pedalai seedlings come from Puerto Rico, I knew you have fake Pedalai. Your seedlings have leafs like FGM artocarpus, it would also means you will have the same fruit he posted.  I'm still trying to identify this artocarpus by real name. Look here:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8370.msg107341#msg107341

Here are my Pedalai trees 1.5 years ago. The same height like yours. As you see leafs are different. I don't think its the same species.


Here is updated picture. I only took this picture because that creature climbed the tree one hour after planting

Hello DL

I have other two smaller seedling, the leaves of the small seedling like the leaves of the picture first you posted

Thanks

[RICBITAR]

Hi
   May be Artocarpus sericicarpus...

Gouralata (reunion Island)

I agree look like pedalai

Thanks

[RICBITAR]

Hi
   May be Artocarpus sericicarpus...

Gouralata (reunion Island)

I agree look like pedalai

Thanks

[RICBITAR]

Durian lover's leaves look like pedalai. Ricardo's leaves look more like A. elasticus.
Artocarpus is notoriously tricky though to ID with certainty from leaves because the leaves change shape with age, and also even in same batch some plants will have different leaf shapes than others.

Oscar,

I have other two smaller seedling, the leaves of the small seedling like different, but I think because  is smaller, I will take the pictures of the smaller leaves
Is A. elasticus normal or rare?
Thanks
 

[RICBITAR]

Pedalai is a better fruit than A.elasticus and what you would choose first. A.elastcus has smellier, more elongate fruit and leaves are sandpapery. Both these species are variable, and as Oscar said foliage varies a lot even within a batch of a single species.

Are the leaves smooth or sandpapery?

Hello Mike T

The leaves are smooth and shiny

Thanks

[Mike T]

http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Jakfruit/ArtocarpusGuide.htm

This guide was put together in the 1980's to help growers in my local area tell the Artocarpus apart as there was much confusion. Identification is made harder by the amount of variation within species.

Smooth leaves mean A.elasticus is not likely.

[RICBITAR]

http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Jakfruit/ArtocarpusGuide.htm

This guide was put together in the 1980's to help growers in my local area tell the Artocarpus apart as there was much confusion. Identification is made harder by the amount of variation within species.

Smooth leaves mean A.elasticus is not likely.

Thanks

[RICBITAR]

Pedalai is a better fruit than A.elasticus and what you would choose first. A.elastcus has smellier, more elongate fruit and leaves are sandpapery. Both these species are variable, and as Oscar said foliage varies a lot even within a batch of a single species.

Are the leaves smooth or sandpapery?

Mike

Today I went to my farm ( are 140 km from my house),
I check the leaves, I thought are smooth, but I was wrong, is very  sanding with micro millions pointy hairs 

[fruitlovers]

Pedalai is a better fruit than A.elasticus and what you would choose first. A.elastcus has smellier, more elongate fruit and leaves are sandpapery. Both these species are variable, and as Oscar said foliage varies a lot even within a batch of a single species.

Are the leaves smooth or sandpapery?

Mike

Today I went to my farm ( are 140 km from my house),
I check the leaves, I thought are smooth, but I was wrong, is very  sanding with micro millions pointy hairs

Probably elasticus after all.

[Mike T]

I am with Oscar on the identity. It is an easy mistake even with the fruit and unlikely people would pass off the less glamorous elasticus as the highly fancied pedalai on purpose.

[fruitlovers]

I am with Oscar on the identity. It is an easy mistake even with the fruit and unlikely people would pass off the less glamorous elasticus as the highly fancied pedalai on purpose.

Here it is the other way around because pedalai plants are a lot more easy to get than elasticus, which is extremely rare here.

[RICBITAR]

I am with Oscar on the identity. It is an easy mistake even with the fruit and unlikely people would pass off the less glamorous elasticus as the highly fancied pedalai on purpose.

Here it is the other way around because pedalai plants are a lot more easy to get than elasticus, which is extremely rare here.

How long for fruiting
Do you have seeds Pedalai?

Thanks

[DurianLover]

After second look, it really looks like Ricardo got A. elasticus. Go through pictures of young trees in first link. Leaves of young trees are a lot more lobbed than real pedalai.

http://www.florasingapura.com/Artocarpus_elasticus.php
http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benda_(pohon)   

Also this conversation was over before it even started. Ricardo did not disclose that seeds were sold as pedalai and come from PR. And that pretty much sealed his fate.  I'm sure wrong identification was unintentional. You will get this alien looking fruit.

[fruitlovers]

I am with Oscar on the identity. It is an easy mistake even with the fruit and unlikely people would pass off the less glamorous elasticus as the highly fancied pedalai on purpose.

Here it is the other way around because pedalai plants are a lot more easy to get than elasticus, which is extremely rare here.

How long for fruiting
Do you have seeds Pedalai?

Thanks

No pedalai seeds right now, but can probably get for you. Elasticus will probably take at least 6-8+ years to start fruiting.

[Mike T]

I also had pedalai seeds last year and can get them most seasons from a few varieties of which one is very good.

[RICBITAR]

After second look, it really looks like Ricardo got A. elasticus. Go through pictures of young trees in first link. Leaves of young trees are a lot more lobbed than real pedalai.

http://www.florasingapura.com/Artocarpus_elasticus.php
http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benda_(pohon)   

Also this conversation was over before it even started. Ricardo did not disclose that seeds were sold as pedalai and come from PR. And that pretty much sealed his fate.  I'm sure wrong identification was unintentional. You will get this alien looking fruit.

Thanks

[RICBITAR]

I am with Oscar on the identity. It is an easy mistake even with the fruit and unlikely people would pass off the less glamorous elasticus as the highly fancied pedalai on purpose.

Here it is the other way around because pedalai plants are a lot more easy to get than elasticus, which is extremely rare here.

How long for fruiting
Do you have seeds Pedalai?

Thanks

No pedalai seeds right now, but can probably get for you. Elasticus will probably take at least 6-8+ years to start fruiting.

Thanks

[RICBITAR]

I also had pedalai seeds last year and can get them most seasons from a few varieties of which one is very good.

Thanks, I wait the next season